Can we trust 3rd party Slot providers?

[BenCodie]

We are seeing more and more 3rd party Slot providers being dropped by casinos over some sort of irregularities.. Stake.com removed all YGGDRASIL games and I also think iSoftbet games from their platform. So when Eddie (co-owner) was asked about this, he just commented that there were some irregularities.. so they removed it.

Try to Google anything about that and you will not find anything, because the industry keep their secrets. My question is.... can we trust these 3rd party Slot providers? Who are auditing their games and who are checking if the advertised RTP are being configured on their servers?

Let's discuss.... 

No, you can't trust a business model that is exploitative for profit by nature under any circumstance. This does not just apply for slot providers, it goes for the casinos themselves as well. You don't know if the casion is truly fair, even if they allow you to verify rolls with their own provably fair system. Ones without it, even more so should not be trusted. Topics have been posted about rigged live casino games, they can't be trusted either. Even if the site you are playing on is seemingly fair, you are at risk of their imposition of the terms of service to screw you anyway.

In the world of gambling, trust should not exist. If you want to genuinely gamble for entertainment, go to a brick and mortar casino. Or, use decentralized games built on smart contracts and web3. They are your best chance of having a fair chance at winning.

[Chikito]

My question is.... can we trust these 3rd party Slot providers? Who are auditing their games and who are checking if the advertised RTP are being configured on their servers?

The question is you already answer it yourself. But, I don't why the casino still use it today if don't have regulations. That possible is profit, Maybe the casino will get more profit if uses irregulation provider, and the user doesn't have to complain about it also, so they match each other. About trust, when we talk about that, of course, will get many answers pro and contra. it becomes each other's perspective, Long time ago, I used to enjoy playing games without any license or regulation, it's fine for me. In this case, if you enjoy it and don't have a problem with that, then you was fine.

[dimonstration]

In the world of gambling, trust should not exist. If you want to genuinely gamble for entertainment, go to a brick and mortar casino. Or, use decentralized games built on smart contracts and web3. They are your best chance of having a fair chance at winning.

If verifying fairness is your main issue then how can you verify games brick and mortar games as probably fair if you can’t determine what’s inside the slot machine? Do you have any method that will support your suggestion or you will use the casino license to operate which is same case with online casino.

I wonder what will be the benefits of a reputable online casino operating for more than 5 years without a confirmed bad issue on rigging their games while they can always win due to the house edge?

[bettercrypto]

That's the beauty of stakes.com I can say that they are transparent and they value their gamblers on their gambling platform. So it's no wonder that they've been here for a few years and it's still operating and has a large community.

        So if a casino has any providers on their platform they should be making sure it doesn't cause any problems in the future to their players who will be the ones to blame in the end. So it's only right to remove if there are irregularities being done that will affect their casino platform.

[danherbias07]

I found one on Reddit discussing about this irregularity that happened to him. But the date is way back in 2022.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Stake/comments/wnpk6g/yggdrasil_fraud/

The reason I ask, I had an incident on Hippo Pop awhile ago, where I triggered a bonus, and then the game chose to completely freeze on me, from their side. No matter how many times I re-loaded, it wouldn’t finish. I was able to see the start of the bonus, and it was clear it was going to be a solid hit. After reaching out to support and they reaching out to Yggdrasil, Yggdrasil ultimately responded and said “the game round has been completed with a delay. The player has won 9.64 and was added to the players balance. (A month+ later lmao)

I believe Stake.com tested this first. If not, there may be a lot of complaints that were submitted to them so they just have to remove it before it affects more slot players.
Can we trust them? This should be initially the job of those gambling sites that will absorb their games. Test it first before they put it in the market/services. They should not allow any third-party applications that are prone to incidents like what happened in the example above. Now, if we see some faults, we could always contact support and I hope they will clear their name by paying the appropriate amount as long as there are proof that the player won the game.
As gamblers, I don't think we are capable of detecting who does the audits but we put our trust in reputable casino sites to do their job and keep their clean reputation in the process.

[ralle14]

My question is.... can we trust these 3rd party Slot providers? Who are auditing their games and who are checking if the advertised RTP are being configured on their servers?

As you've said, it's up to the gamblers to trust them at their own risk. If it doesn't fit the criteria then we can always avoid them similar to how other gamblers would stick to playing on low-edge casino games.

But, I don't why the casino still use it today if don't have regulations.

Maybe it's because they thought having more games would give more success to their casino and it's one more reason to play in their casino knowing they have all the games and more when compared to their competitors.

[Wexnident]

We are seeing more and more 3rd party Slot providers being dropped by casinos over some sort of irregularities.. Stake.com removed all YGGDRASIL games and I also think iSoftbet games from their platform. So when Eddie (co-owner) was asked about this, he just commented that there were some irregularities.. so they removed it.

Try to Google anything about that and you will not find anything, because the industry keep their secrets. My question is.... can we trust these 3rd party Slot providers? Who are auditing their games and who are checking if the advertised RTP are being configured on their servers?

Let's discuss.... 

I mean, we(or you) might just be overreacting about stuff like this. it isn't that odd for businesses to suddenly cut the services they bought from other companies due to reasons like cheating or illegal/wrong RTP and stuff like that. It might just be because they're preparing their own set that would conflict with said games or the games simply performed underwhelmingly compared to the money they prepared.

Now I may be looking at this a bit too optimistically, but in the end, we can't really know since we know nothing. Honestly speaking most cases of us choosing a games is just us trusting the provider, so it's really up to our own judgement.

[tusandii]

If someone loves an specific game/slot which is third party, it is up to them whether to trust or not. Let the company reputation to speak for themselves.

When I play slot gambling I trust the site that I use, so whether I use a 3rd party slot provider or not, as long as playing doesn't occur problems and can still be relied on then trust will appear by itself.

If a casino has a good and trusted reputation, they will definitely also use a trusted and tested 3rd party provider, because this affects the reputation of the casino itself, making it impossible for them to use a provider that is not good.

[Peanutswar]

We are seeing more and more 3rd party Slot providers being dropped by casinos over some sort of irregularities.. Stake.com removed all YGGDRASIL games and I also think iSoftbet games from their platform. So when Eddie (co-owner) was asked about this, he just commented that there were some irregularities.. so they removed it.

Try to Google anything about that and you will not find anything, because the industry keep their secrets. My question is.... can we trust these 3rd party Slot providers? Who are auditing their games and who are checking if the advertised RTP are being configured on their servers?

Let's discuss.... 

There are a lot of third-party providers right there instead of getting their own casino its ideal to make a partnered with different gambling this makes their outsource more growth because they have already a games and one of the casinos need is their services, these thing is all about the provider and the casinos contract if there's something didn't commit on it between those two its on their contract you don't need get to know that's how they earn. I keep trusting those because at the end its on the responsibility of the gambling casino because they issue a third party that's why most of the time you visit with the concern its direct with the casino and not into the providers.

[swogerino]

We are seeing more and more 3rd party Slot providers being dropped by casinos over some sort of irregularities.. Stake.com removed all YGGDRASIL games and I also think iSoftbet games from their platform. So when Eddie (co-owner) was asked about this, he just commented that there were some irregularities.. so they removed it.

Try to Google anything about that and you will not find anything, because the industry keep their secrets. My question is.... can we trust these 3rd party Slot providers? Who are auditing their games and who are checking if the advertised RTP are being configured on their servers?

Let's discuss.... 

I think this can be checked by ourselves when we play a certain game or some certain slots from a provider we can see the patterns and compare them to very well known providers.For me a very well known if not the most well known of all is Pragmatic Play and you will find very few persons who play slots to talk badly about them,they are also one of the providers which give more often than any other provider the max win in quite a few of their slots with Gate of Olympus being the one giving that x5000 max win more often than any other slot.Based on this I don't know about Yggdrasil as I never played any slots from them but I know and trust Pragmatic Play so in the end it is a personal choice whom we trust or not.

[SirJohnVonSlotty]

We are seeing more and more 3rd party Slot providers being dropped by casinos over some sort of irregularities.. Stake.com removed all YGGDRASIL games and I also think iSoftbet games from their platform. So when Eddie (co-owner) was asked about this, he just commented that there were some irregularities.. so they removed it.

Try to Google anything about that and you will not find anything, because the industry keep their secrets. My question is.... can we trust these 3rd party Slot providers? Who are auditing their games and who are checking if the advertised RTP are being configured on their servers?

Let's discuss.... 

I have been working with various slot providers over the past few years and I think that they are the only ones that you can actually trust. All the reputable providers are real companies with public data behind them, with most of them being on the stock market as well (just check Evolution, the owners of NetEnt and others: https://www.bloomberg.com/quote/EVO:SS ) Personally I would stay away from unlicensed casinos that offer their own games outside of the regular landscape, no one regulates them, you have no clue if they are fair or not or what their plan is.

Regarding the drop of certain slot providers from casinos, there are several reasons that might happen, but in most high-profile cases it's the provider who initiates the drop (e.g. the casino didn't meet the traffic requirement, doesn't feature a certain license, lost a certain payment provider or just did something scammy or operated on a market they shouldn't be operating).

[klidex]

I don't really understand the reasons why gambling sites remove several slot game providers from their sites, but what I do know is that something that will not be profitable for the casino will definitely be changed or remove some games or providers that according to the management team do not contribute good profits.
On another reason, maybe the slot game provider was removed because very few people play slots from that provider, so they choose to remove it from their casino.
To the question of who audits the slot provider, there doesn't seem to be anyone and some people will definitely answer the same, namely individual trust.
The most important thing is that while gambling at a reputable casino, slot providers won't scam us.

[KiaKia]

Yes those auditors are reliable, I recommend going deep into the information about who is responsible for the casino games audit, make sure it's a good company, although it might not be necessary for many but it's good for those who want to make sure that the games those online gaming platforms provide for gamblers are proven to be legit and fair enough, sometimes we can't even explain how we keep losing games when gambling online and this might be something to look out for.

There might be more to the reasons why online casinos are removing many slot games but I am guessing maybe those games that are removed are those that are benefiting gamblers more than the house, think about it, if those games are fetching the house more money they will never remove them.

I believe that casino owners are more greedy than we think, they want 90 percent winnings on the house and 20 percent winnings for the gamblers, this is the truth.

[Crypt0Gore]

  Casino games third-party auditors can't always be trusted because they are humans too, they can take money as a bribe and overlook something they shouldn't have allowed, it happens, I don't even care much because after making sure that a online casino has a high reputation I am after how lucky I will get on the platform after playing some slots if I don't see any good encouraging results I will find another reputable online casino, so for me it depends on how lucky I get with a online casino either big or small

[Kakmakr]

Ok, so from what I have read so far :

YGGDRASIL had some issues with games "freezing" when large wins are hit.  I do not know if this was a regular occurrence or if it was something that happens now and again. 

It also might have been that the 3rd party Slot provider had some unfair requirements and that the casino mentioned did not want to adhere to it. So there are always two sides to a story... right?

[SirJohnVonSlotty]

  Casino games third-party auditors can't always be trusted because they are humans too, they can take money as a bribe and overlook something they shouldn't have allowed, it happens

This is bullshit and not true at all Especially not on markets like the UK or operators on the MGA license.

And there is no luck in this, it's a game of chance and it's there for entertainment, most reputable operators make that obvious.

[JooBra]

Even for 3rd party Slots there are licences and regulations, so if they have all of that then I don't see the problem. Before trying new casinos always check for that.

[mu_enrico]

Stake and Yggdrasil are in partnership, so if one party feels the service isn't good enough, they can terminate their partnership.
If Yggdrasil is a scam, they will lose all their licenses, and I don't hear that news... So it's only related to Stake x Yggdrasil. When I search about it, the "maintenance" and "freezing" result comes up, so it might be the case.

Anyway, trust in 3rd party provider is subjective, and people will have different opinions about it. For me, I trust them modestly, with only a fraction of my income that I can afford to lose. It goes for casinos and provably fair games as well, I've never deposited big.

[ethereumhunter]

My question is.... can we trust these 3rd party Slot providers? Who are auditing their games and who are checking if the advertised RTP are being configured on their servers?

Let's discuss.... 

I just think that if Stake.com removed all YGGDRASIL games from their casino, it would be games from that provider that would not interest many gamblers and only a few people would play them. Maybe all of this is because the game revenue from that provider is not profitable for Stake so they decide it for a while.

But Eddie has confirmed that there are some irregularities and maybe they are investigating first to find out the truth.

Now, for your question, I think we can only trust casinos and game providers. And even if we can check the RTP properly and find something wrong, the casino should still check it before deciding to remove it or keep using it in their casino.

[bangjoe]

Trust is what makes us still play in the casino. The only time we can’t trust this 3rd party slot provider is when they show irregularities but being doubtful to them without any valid reason will just make our gambling experience full of doubts.

Like what Stake did. The only thing we can do is trust the casino that accepts this 3rd party slot provider since they are the one who review and audit this games to ensure the safety of their customer. For me I can still trust some of the slot provider that has good track of record for providing a quality slot game.

Yes, we get that trust from what they show us so I personally trust third parties as providers, in other words what stake.com does they show independent identification as a third party gambling platform and directly audit all game servers in the ecosystem they.
This discussion makes me doubt other third parties who are still using the same game, will this news put pressure on other third party gambling platforms, should they also delete or re-audit games from YGGDRASIL and iSoftbet? because even though this is an irregularity found by Stake.com, we don't know their reasons behind the irregularities they found.