Can we trust 3rd party Slot providers?

[Kakmakr]

We are seeing more and more 3rd party Slot providers being dropped by casinos over some sort of irregularities.. Stake.com removed all YGGDRASIL games and I also think iSoftbet games from their platform. So when Eddie (co-owner) was asked about this, he just commented that there were some irregularities.. so they removed it.

Try to Google anything about that and you will not find anything, because the industry keep their secrets. My question is.... can we trust these 3rd party Slot providers? Who are auditing their games and who are checking if the advertised RTP are being configured on their servers?

Let's discuss.... 

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[Beparanf]

Trust is what makes us still play in the casino. The only time we can’t trust this 3rd party slot provider is when they show irregularities but being doubtful to them without any valid reason will just make our gambling experience full of doubts.

Like what Stake did. The only thing we can do is trust the casino that accepts this 3rd party slot provider since they are the one who review and audit this games to ensure the safety of their customer. For me I can still trust some of the slot provider that has good track of record for providing a quality slot game.

[crwth]

Maybe there are just some games that are not making money for the casinos and perhaps even losing money because of it. That can be a valid thing to remove the slot providers and it's within their discretion for sure.

Was it removed from other trustworthy sites as well?

[BitcoinGirl.Club]

My question is.... can we trust these 3rd party Slot providers? Who are auditing their games and who are checking if the advertised RTP are being configured on their servers?

Let's discuss.... 

The whole casino industry is using third party slot providers except when some are becoming big then they are developing their own slots. For a starter casino developing in-house games / slots are too expensive and easier for relaying to others. I don't think the demand is not going down any time soon.

About trust and things? The gambling industry is doing business. A piece of software is easy to manipulate especially when it is not open source. So no matter if that is an in-house slot from a highly trusted casino or third party integration, you always have the chance to lose big money and become a victim of manipulation.

[ImThour]

That's why I prefer only sports betting and not gambling or casinos. It's much more difficult to rig a sports match rather than a casino game that already has a casino edge.
About slot games, I never really prefer them or enjoy them as it's bare luck or I would say you are more likely to lose in slots as compared to roullete.

[dimonstration]

Maybe there are just some games that are not making money for the casinos and perhaps even losing money because of it. That can be a valid thing to remove the slot providers and it's within their discretion for sure.

Was it removed from other trustworthy sites as well?

As per the owner statement, It’s about irregularities which means something is wrong with the game itself.

Was it removed from other trustworthy sites as well?

YGGDRASIL slot provider is not that popular. I rarely see this slot games on other casino that I play as featured slot games. I browse the list of provider on Duelbits and Bitcasino but this YGGDRASIL provider is not available. Only selected reputable casino adds this provider. Actually, Only Stake is the only reputable casino I know that list this provider.

[Mate2237]

That's why I prefer only sports betting and not gambling or casinos. It's much more difficult to rig a sports match rather than a casino game that already has a casino edge.
About slot games, I never really prefer them or enjoy them as it's bare luck or I would say you are more likely to lose in slots as compared to roullete.

That is true. Sports betting is live and there is no way someone can manipulate the game. The outcome from the match is what you get from the bet. Even all those scam accusations are from the casinos. I have not seen sports betting sites have been accused of scamming. Even if happened it is rare. The way slot games are even developed is not favorable. Casinos use 3rd party and anything 3rd party can not be trusted because they are also looking for there profit apart from the MD of the industry.

[Kakmakr]

It would be nice if some industry expert or casino operator can come into this thread and clear up some of the questions. We know the iGaming licenses like Curaçao regulate the gambling requirements for their license, but do they regulate the game providers?

I know Hacksaw gaming is authorized by the Gambling Supervisory Commission of the Isle of Man as a Software Supply Licensee, so there are some kind of oversight.... but to what degree are they testing the RTP and the software?

[BitcoinPanther]

Players are not playing in a casino because of these third party slot providers, they are playing these slots because players are comfortable with the gambling platform.  I believe the casino platform itself may conduct audit on the slot game providers or they can ask third party auditors.

There is nothing a player can do but trust the casino that implement the third party slot providers.  If there is irregularities then the casino will find it just like what @OP stated when Eddie of stake.com removes  Yggdrassil and iSoftbet from their platform.  It is also possible that these slot provider bring losses to the platform due to irregularities that favors players.

[AmoreJaz]

Players are not playing in a casino because of these third party slot providers, they are playing these slots because players are comfortable with the gambling platform.  I believe the casino platform itself may conduct audit on the slot game providers or they can ask third party auditors.

There is nothing a player can do but trust the casino that implement the third party slot providers.  If there is irregularities then the casino will find it just like what @OP stated when Eddie of stake.com removes  Yggdrassil and iSoftbet from their platform.  It is also possible that these slot provider bring losses to the platform due to irregularities that favors players.

that is actually true, the casino's reputation first before their 3rd party providers. now, it is the task of the casino to know about the games they are deploying within their platform. because it is their reputation on the line, whatever comes out may affect their image.
this is why they know what comes with it before they include them in their list of games. definitely, the slot providers will give the metrics to the casino and it is the casino's auditor will be the one who will verify if the info given is true or not.

[maydna]

We as gamblers, should trust third-party slot providers, but the casino must check for irregularities from the provider. And if indeed the suspicion turns out to be clear that a 3rd party Slot provider is up to something bad, the casinos could simply remove it from their play roster. We won't know anything or can't find information about this unless we ask the provider directly, but I'm sure they won't want to say it.

Maybe the regulator will audit their games or other parties periodically check it, but we know that it's all easy to do. So it's better for us just to leave it to the casino to take care of it while we only need to play gambling.

[South Park]

We are seeing more and more 3rd party Slot providers being dropped by casinos over some sort of irregularities.. Stake.com removed all YGGDRASIL games and I also think iSoftbet games from their platform. So when Eddie (co-owner) was asked about this, he just commented that there were some irregularities.. so they removed it.

Try to Google anything about that and you will not find anything, because the industry keep their secrets. My question is.... can we trust these 3rd party Slot providers? Who are auditing their games and who are checking if the advertised RTP are being configured on their servers?

Let's discuss.... 

Supposedly the countries in which gambling is deemed legal should have a specific agency to deal with these issues and make sure that any company registered under their jurisdiction is not cheating their customers, so if a third party provider is showing signs of irregularities then it is the job of that agency to see what is happening and take the necessary steps to stop this from happening and apply the necessary sanctions, however this is the ideal and as we know there is a lot of corruption everywhere, so it would not surprise me if some slot providers could get away with some cheating and this only stopped once the casinos themselves discovered what was going on.

[Rruchi man]

We are seeing more and more 3rd party Slot providers being dropped by casinos over some sort of irregularities.. Stake.com removed all YGGDRASIL games and I also think iSoftbet games from their platform. So when Eddie (co-owner) was asked about this, he just commented that there were some irregularities.. so they removed it.

I believe it is better that casino's drop these third party slot providers if they suspect irregularities with them before these third party slot providers pull them down and spoil their business name that they have fought so hard to build up to the reputable stage that it is. These casino's understand the importance of a good name in business and the need to protect it. It is the right call dropping them especially to make other 3rd party slot providers sit up and do better.

[goaldigger]

Most of the casinos are using a 3rd party for their games and it has been a practice for years now. You can trust them as long as the site you are playing is ok since if there’s an issue with their provider, the site will be more responsible for that. Some parties are auditing them for sure as they have to continue practicing their fairness, if you see some issues with them better to raise it to the support and see if they can solve that problem.

[Slow death]

It would be nice if some industry expert or casino operator can come into this thread and clear up some of the questions. We know the iGaming licenses like Curaçao regulate the gambling requirements for their license, but do they regulate the game providers?

I know Hacksaw gaming is authorized by the Gambling Supervisory Commission of the Isle of Man as a Software Supply Licensee, so there are some kind of oversight.... but to what degree are they testing the RTP and the software?

this issue of the license of curacao is somewhat comical, let's see that in a scenario where the casino is a scam, even when many people report cases of scam to the license provider which in this case is curacao, I have never seen any intervention by curacao in the sense of punishing the casino, so we all ask ourselves: did curacao ever carry out an inspection in any casino? has anyone here heard that curacao inspected a casino and found irregularities? I never heard. so why do casinos ask for KYC if curacao never even inspects the casino to see if the casino complies with the rules?

there is no way for ordinary people to know if all games are demonstrably fair, that's why I prefer sports betting, it saves me a lot of headache, for me to win I depend on myself when I make a bet, whereas in games where they depend on of luck, in addition to luck, the person must also pray that the game is demonstrably fair. as in games that depend on luck, even if they were not rigged, the person at the end of the day will still lose everything, so it doesn't matter if the game was rigged or not, most people have already put it in their heads that gambling is not they are to make money and they are right. even if the game is the fairest, what will change is just that people won't lose as fast, but at the end of the day they will lose everything anyway

[Hispo]

I would say that it depends on each one of us, if we trust the providers or instead going fully completely provably fair games. In my case I feel more than satisfied to play on Stake's original games, their dices, plinko and crash,so I mostly stay first party.

There was one occasion I also spent some afternoons on Freebitcoin, where they also have provably fair Hi-lo as far as I can recall.

If someone loves an specific game/slot which is third party, it is up to them whether to trust or not. Let the company reputation to speak for themselves.

[acroman08]

My question is.... can we trust these 3rd party Slot providers? Who are auditing their games and who are checking if the advertised RTP are being configured on their servers?

I guess we can't really know if we trust these 3rd party slot providers, I mean I have a feeling that the majority of gamblers that play slots trust the slot provider because the gambling site he/she trust uses it.

It would be nice if some industry expert or casino operator can come into this thread and clear up some of the questions.

to be honest this would be the best thing that would happen in this thread, someone with an insight on the subject.

[serjent05]

Whether I trust 3rd party slots providers or not is out of the question.  I trust the platform where I am playing so I don't think about the 3rd party slot providers.  As far as I am concerned, I never asked about the reputation of the 3rd party providers since it is given that when a gambler trusts a gambling platform, it trusts everything in it.  Besides, reputable casinos make sure that the third-party slots providers they implement are fully audited and are clear of any problem that they may bring to the players.

[khaled0111]

Unfortunately, slot guns have no other option but  to trust the game provider. The good thing is that most of those game providers are being audited by well known, trusted and, most importantly, independent auditors. However, this remains a formality and doesn't guarantee the provider will remain fair.
What we can do as gamblers is to play only games from reputable providers on reputable casinos. In this case even if the game provider goes rogue the casino will delist it if they notice any irregularities as what happened with Stake and YGGDRASIL.

[Mr.right85]

Maybe there are just some games that are not making money for the casinos and perhaps even losing money because of it.

My thoughts though as there could be only a few reasons that account to unspecified irregularities which is by far a decorative statement of what could have really gone wrong. That doesn't mean you can't trust them but, should you find something untrustworthy about a casino, you could check out other sites and we've got a host of them running signatures on the forum.

Trust is one reason why we play and as such, its important that you trust your to get fair play, your wins would be paid and your detail protected for those that have them KYC submitted. Let's be safe about our gambling and what casino we choose to bet with.