BETCRYPTO.CR SCAM!

[Cudy89]

What happened:
Yesterday I found the site and decided to create an account because they offered an attractive bonus of 200%. I deposited $350, I took the bonus that I lost and then I made another deposit of $270 from which I managed to win $1250. Today I was refused withdrawal on the grounds that I have several accounts, which is completely untrue.

Scammers Profile Link:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=3515379

Reference Link:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5450567.0

Amount Scammed: 0.043 BTC/$1250
Payment Method: Bitcoin

Proof of Payment:
https://blockstream.info/tx/dbbe803c08b2ca58b7fa999f726a95645cfce5655c67936cb63c163e25c51f5e
https://blockstream.info/tx/af4b21144205b35417cd27f2722488f667e76fc768e5da62f3ce2da19ad0c67f

Proof of rejected payment:
https://imgur.com/a/dm0LWMO

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[Betcrypto.cr]

Looking for a trusted user to hope in we can share really good evidence

 This user opened multiple accounts and abuse the 200% welcome bonus

[Cudy89]

You have nothing to share, because i never made multiple accounts. You are just scamming people.

[holydarkness]

Looking for a trusted user to hope in we can share really good evidence

 This user opened multiple accounts and abuse the 200% welcome bonus

This is, was, and will not be a good decision. Whoever that user you deemed trustworthy enough to review your evidences, you'll just put them into a tight spot. If they see the evidences and favored into your side, the OP will get triggered and accuses that user as part of your team, a liar, or the likes. If they favored OP and deemed your evidences is not strong enough, you'll say the user is not trustworthy.

Are you registered on any ADR? CasinoGuru? AskGamblers? Or --only-- if you're confident that the evidences will not be detrimental to your security system, you can share it here in the open for everybody to review.

[Cudy89]

I only have one account. He doesnt have any solid proof against me thats why he cant show any proof publicly.

[Betcrypto.cr]

I only have one account. He doesnt have any solid proof against me thats why he cant show any proof publicly.

We just send littel_mouse proof

[Cudy89]

Cant wait what to see what he has to tell, since i know that i only have one account.

[Betcrypto.cr]

This user abused our welcome bonus system we sent the proof to Litte_mouse and he agree with us

Please admins close this thread we can also share the proof with you

[Cudy89]

That is bs. I can also say that my mother agrees that i only have one account.Little Mouse said you should share the proof publicly since i agree with this. Let everyone see the proof if you have nothing to hide.

[Pmalek]

This user abused our welcome bonus system we sent the proof to Litte_mouse and he agree with us

Please admins close this thread we can also share the proof with you

Admins aren't going to close the thread, and this situation hasn't been solved. I don't see any posts by Little Mouse where he states that OP is a multi-account abuser and that you were correct to close his account due to bonus abuse. Maybe that is yet to come. Besides, how do we know the evidence isn't fabricated to have Little Mouse and everyone else believe what you want them to believe?

Little Mouse is trusted enough, but how would he recognize a fabrication if there is one?

@Little Mouse, in what form is this evidence the casino gave you?

[Betcrypto.cr]

This user abused our welcome bonus system we sent the proof to Litte_mouse and he agree with us

Please admins close this thread we can also share the proof with you

Admins aren't going to close the thread, and this situation hasn't been solved. I don't see any posts by Little Mouse where he states that OP is a multi-account abuser and that you were correct to close his account due to bonus abuse. Maybe that is yet to come. Besides, how do we know the evidence isn't fabricated to have Little Mouse and everyone else believe what you want them to believe?

Little Mouse is trusted enough, but how would he recognize a fabrication if there is one?

@Little Mouse, in what form is this evidence the casino gave you?

Here is the proof

That is totally bs. I never had more then 1 account. Also i never won anything from your bonus. I lost it and made another deposit without bonus.

Ok we will expose him :

He first opened an account BCR312 he won $1581 and he request the withdraw to be paid here bc1qd30hjnhkwqcpn36jf52gvencp9203a9sngt208 proof of the request https://imgur.com/0SDL8Zl we paid BCR312 the $1581 because he won fair and square

A couple of days after he opened a new account to claim again the 200% welcome bonus he requested 1 deposit address  bc1qxlut8xnf5jkeghqz07s9fuqct2yysv6za3jg4q proof

https://i.imgur.com/TxKZMuR.png


The problem BCR316 sent bitcoin from bc1q0dhu6c6xzgc692t0kjze7csmf57g5wly8pvz53 to our site deposit address and bc1q0dhu6c6xzgc692t0kjze7csmf57g5wly8pvz53 got his bitcoins from bc1qd30hjnhkwqcpn36jf52gvencp9203a9sngt208 proof


https://mempool.space/address/bc1qd30hjnhkwqcpn36jf52gvencp9203a9sngt208


After that he made a second deposit request from our site now our system gave him this address bc1q67ny3hal8clgkrujls70ujj6cj8vdp99esa5l9 now he deposited from bc1qc98u8u5armr33tfjdr7vcjma8vyf2the450wmk but


bc1q0dhu6c6xzgc692t0kjze7csmf57g5wly8pvz53 sent money to bc1qc98u8u5armr33tfjdr7vcjma8vyf2the450wmk


In resume you use your BCR312 withdraw address to fund a new account to claim again the 200% welcome bonus

Thanks to scammers like this cody we have to reduce the welcome bonus from 200% to 100% so we are not going to get new scammers trying to exploit our site

[Little Mouse]

Little Mouse is trusted enough, but how would he recognize a fabrication if there is one?

@Little Mouse, in what form is this evidence the casino gave you?

They were all blockchain txs, so there's no chance of fabrication. Imagine, you have received x amount of BTC in an address from betcrypto¹, and later, betcrypto found a link between the withdrawal address and a new user deposit address, there's nothing you would think of I believe. That's what happened. I requested betcrypto to present all the proof here. They told they will share so, allow little time to them so they can post the proof.

Edit- here we go

Here is the proof

@Cudy89

Can you please agree or disagree with the above though I can't see a point of disagreement here as everything has been posted publicly by Betcrypto.

[Betcrypto.cr]

Little Mouse is trusted enough, but how would he recognize a fabrication if there is one?

@Little Mouse, in what form is this evidence the casino gave you?

They were all blockchain txs, so there's no chance of fabrication. Imagine, you have received x amount of BTC in an address from betcrypto¹, and later, betcrypto found a link between the withdrawal address and a new user deposit address, there's nothing you would think of I believe. That's what happened. I requested betcrypto to present all the proof here. They told they will share so, allow little time to them so they can post the proof.

We just post all the evidence

[Cudy89]

What if i receive the btc from someone who had an account on your site. That doesnt prove that me as a person have more then one account on your site. Also i didnt won anything from your bonus. You are scammers.

[Betcrypto.cr]

What if i receive the btc from someone who had an account on your site. That doesnt prove that me as a person have more then one account on your site. Also i didnt won anything from your bonus. You are scammers.

Ok so magically you got Bitcoins from bc1qd30hjnhkwqcpn36jf52gvencp9203a9sngt208 because he is such a good guy, he sends money to random addresses  and turns out one of the lucky randoms addresses one was for you out of MILLIONS of random addresses you got it

hahaha dude you just got expose accept it

[Cudy89]

Yes, a friend told me about your site and that i should give it a try. Also he sent me the btc to try it. You cant prove that me as a person made more then 1 account on your site.

[Betcrypto.cr]

Yes, a friend told me about your site and that i should give it a try. Also he sent me the btc to try it. You cant prove that me as a person made more then 1 account on your site.

I don't buy you just open multiple Gmail accounts and use a VPN we can see the IPS dude just stop lying

[swiftxi]

What happened:
Yesterday I found the site and decided to create an account because they offered an attractive bonus of 200%. I deposited $350, I took the bonus that I lost and then I made another deposit of $270 from which I managed to win $1250. Today I was refused withdrawal on the grounds that I have several accounts, which is completely untrue.

Scammers Profile Link:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=3515379

Reference Link:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5450567.0

Amount Scammed: 0.043 BTC/$1250
Payment Method: Bitcoin

Proof of Payment:
https://blockstream.info/tx/dbbe803c08b2ca58b7fa999f726a95645cfce5655c67936cb63c163e25c51f5e
https://blockstream.info/tx/af4b21144205b35417cd27f2722488f667e76fc768e5da62f3ce2da19ad0c67f

Proof of rejected payment:
https://imgur.com/a/dm0LWMO

So how much did you actualy manage to cashout? And what was the inital deposit that you have made?
Or should I ask, whats the total ratio of deposit vs winnings , witouth the bonus of 200%.

[Pmalek]

OK, the bitcoin addresses are connected, there is no doubt about that. As the player says, he could have received or bought the coins from someone else who also played on the same casino. Theoretically, it's possible. Personally, I don't think that's what happened. Only a few hours after one withdrawal from Betcrypto, the coins move to a different address that deposits on the same casino. I don't believe that story and I don't think it's a coincidence. 

@Betcrypto.cr, @Little Mouse
Thanks for the clarification.

[Cudy89]

Yes, a friend told me about your site and that i should give it a try. Also he sent me the btc to try it. You cant prove that me as a person made more then 1 account on your site.

I don't buy you just open multiple Gmail accounts and use a VPN we can see the IPS dude just stop lying

Show me the login logs. And if me and my friend played from the same computer i will admit that you are right. Until then you are just scamming me.

[Betcrypto.cr]

Yes, a friend told me about your site and that i should give it a try. Also he sent me the btc to try it. You cant prove that me as a person made more then 1 account on your site.

I don't buy you just open multiple Gmail accounts and use a VPN we can see the IPS dude just stop lying

Show me the login logs. And if me and my friend played from the same computer i will admit that you are right. Until then you are just scamming me.

The IP is not going to match because you are using a VPN if you look up these IPS on google they are reported as SPAM etc

You can see same behavior of changing ips

BCR312


BCR316

[swiftxi]

If you didnt clarify that 200% bonus applies per person.
Since opening several accounts is allowed, yes?
And you added extra steps to ensure a safety threshold

The bonus amount must be wagered 50 times before a withdrawal / payout.

The maximum bet allowed when using Bonus Money is five ($5) per bet.

The real question here is , how much did he deposit ? And how much bonus did you give him ? 100 ? 500 ? 1000 ?

[Betcrypto.cr]

If you didnt clarify that 200% bonus applies per person.
Since opening several accounts is allowed, yes?
And you added extra steps to ensure a safety threshold

The bonus amount must be wagered 50 times before a withdrawal / payout.

The maximum bet allowed when using Bonus Money is five ($5) per bet.

The real question here is , how much did he deposit ? And how much bonus did you give him ? 100 ? 500 ? 1000 ?

We do have in our terms and conditions no multiple accounts he broke that rule to get again a 200% welcome bonus

The first time BCR312 won $1581 and we paid it we are happy to pay anyone who win fair and square

we paid BCR312 to bc1qd30hjnhkwqcpn36jf52gvencp9203a9sngt208 and he used that same wallet to fund a new account BCR316

[swiftxi]

If you didnt clarify that 200% bonus applies per person.
Since opening several accounts is allowed, yes?
And you added extra steps to ensure a safety threshold

The bonus amount must be wagered 50 times before a withdrawal / payout.

The maximum bet allowed when using Bonus Money is five ($5) per bet.

The real question here is , how much did he deposit ? And how much bonus did you give him ? 100 ? 500 ? 1000 ?

We do have in our terms and conditions no multiple accounts he broke that rule to get again a 200% welcome bonus

The first time BCR312 won $1581 and we paid it we are happy to pay anyone who win fair and square

we paid BCR312 to bc1qd30hjnhkwqcpn36jf52gvencp9203a9sngt208 and he used that same wallet to fund a new account BCR316

Well in that case I guess it not so clear.But definitely a person who joins an online gambling site expects a ceratin degree of freedom to play with accounts and such.
Who doasent have several accounts on various websites?

My opinion is , if he is profited and brake rules then take his money.If he lost money atleast return some of it.

Like when Im going to register on some big shiny gambling site, the last thing on my mind is the administrator coming and taking the bonus money or anything like that.

[Betcrypto.cr]

If you didnt clarify that 200% bonus applies per person.
Since opening several accounts is allowed, yes?
And you added extra steps to ensure a safety threshold

The bonus amount must be wagered 50 times before a withdrawal / payout.

The maximum bet allowed when using Bonus Money is five ($5) per bet.

The real question here is , how much did he deposit ? And how much bonus did you give him ? 100 ? 500 ? 1000 ?

We do have in our terms and conditions no multiple accounts he broke that rule to get again a 200% welcome bonus

The first time BCR312 won $1581 and we paid it we are happy to pay anyone who win fair and square

we paid BCR312 to bc1qd30hjnhkwqcpn36jf52gvencp9203a9sngt208 and he used that same wallet to fund a new account BCR316

Well in that case I guess it not so clear.But definitely a person who joins an online gambling site expects a ceratin degree of freedom to play with accounts and such.
Who doasent have several accounts on various websites?

My opinion is , if he is profited and brake rules then take his money.If he lost money atleast return some of it.

Hi well yes but we all know online casinos don't like multiple accounts from the same person try to do the same thing on other sites and you would see they are going to also disable the account this is not new also in our terms and conditions is clearly state NO MULTIPLE ACOUNTS because we are KYC free.

He was also profitable with the second account

[swiftxi]

He put up scam report, when in fact he is an exploiter
Used same IP adress and same names almost.

[acroman08]

Here is the proof

thanks for this! quite rare to see a gambling site post the evidence they've got against a gambler accusing them of scam. sadly, I have a feeling OP will be more careful when trying to exploit gambling sites. I wouldn't be surprised if he registered again on your site but with an entirely different set of addresses to use.

[Betcrypto.cr]

Here is the proof

thanks for this! quite rare to see a gambling site post the evidence they've got against a gambler accusing them of scam. sadly, I have a feeling OP will be more careful when trying to exploit gambling sites. I wouldn't be surprised if he registered again on your site but with an entirely different set of addresses to use.

Yes, sadly this was the only way we could really show all the members that we weren't lying, we are new and we don't want any drama on our site.

[Pmalek]

Well in that case I guess it not so clear.But definitely a person who joins an online gambling site expects a ceratin degree of freedom to play with accounts and such.
Who doasent have several accounts on various websites?

My opinion is , if he is profited and brake rules then take his money.If he lost money atleast return some of it.

Bonus abuse is a big no-go for all online casinos. It's called a Welcome Bonus for a reason. They welcome you as a person the first time you arrive. They give you a 1st deposit bonus only the first time you deposit. A 2nd deposit bonus when you deposit a second time, etc. You can't be welcomed 10 times and receive 10 1st deposit bonuses. That's cheating and should be punished. A slap on the wrist isn't enough. That's just an invitation to try it again. Harsher punishments are needed.

Compare it to what happens on the streets.
If you drive a red light 100 km/h and the police give you a $20 ticket, you aren't going to take it seriously. When you lose your license for a few months and get a hefty fine, you'll be more careful next time. 

[notblox1]

Show me the login logs. And if me and my friend played from the same computer i will admit that you are right. Until then you are just scamming me.

You are the only scammer here, so better just shut up and stop embarrassing yourself anymore you cheating lying scumbag.
Everyone can see that you just wanted to get free money with abusing, cheating and using multiple accounts.

Yes, sadly this was the only way we could really show all the members that we weren't lying, we are new and we don't want any drama on our site.

Many casinos are under attack of scammers like Cudy89, but please dont confuse them with normal bitcointalk members.

If you drive a red light 100 km/h and the police give you a $20 ticket, you aren't going to take it seriously. When you lose your license for a few months and get a hefty fine, you'll be more careful next time.  

Speaking from experience?  

[swiftxi]

Well in that case I guess it not so clear.But definitely a person who joins an online gambling site expects a ceratin degree of freedom to play with accounts and such.
Who doasent have several accounts on various websites?

My opinion is , if he is profited and brake rules then take his money.If he lost money atleast return some of it.

Bonus abuse is a big no-go for all online casinos. It's called a Welcome Bonus for a reason. They welcome you as a person the first time you arrive. They give you a 1st deposit bonus only the first time you deposit. A 2nd deposit bonus when you deposit a second time, etc. You can't be welcomed 10 times and receive 10 1st deposit bonuses. That's cheating and should be punished. A slap on the wrist isn't enough. That's just an invitation to try it again. Harsher punishments are needed.

Compare it to what happens on the streets.
If you drive a red light 100 km/h and the police give you a $20 ticket, you aren't going to take it seriously. When you lose your license for a few months and get a hefty fine, you'll be more careful next time. 

Well depends if the speed limit is over 100 km/h in that area. Then its just a red light not speeding.

[holydarkness]

Well in that case I guess it not so clear.But definitely a person who joins an online gambling site expects a ceratin degree of freedom to play with accounts and such.
Who doasent have several accounts on various websites?

My opinion is , if he is profited and brake rules then take his money.If he lost money atleast return some of it.

Bonus abuse is a big no-go for all online casinos. It's called a Welcome Bonus for a reason. They welcome you as a person the first time you arrive. They give you a 1st deposit bonus only the first time you deposit. A 2nd deposit bonus when you deposit a second time, etc. You can't be welcomed 10 times and receive 10 1st deposit bonuses. That's cheating and should be punished. A slap on the wrist isn't enough. That's just an invitation to try it again. Harsher punishments are needed.

Compare it to what happens on the streets.
If you drive a red light 100 km/h and the police give you a $20 ticket, you aren't going to take it seriously. When you lose your license for a few months and get a hefty fine, you'll be more careful next time.  

Well depends if the speed limit is over 100 km/h in that area. Then its just a red light not speeding.

I will generosly giving you a benefit of doubt that you're engaging on the topic and the metaphor given instead of replying out of topic. The situation that should be emphasized is not the 100kmh, speed limit, or red light, it's the giving a 20$ fine versus revoking your license.

If he gained profit, caught breaking the rules, and got his money confiscated, and then if he lose them he'll get refunded, it's like giving a slap on the wrist, or a 20$ fine by the analogy. Hell, I personally think it's giving him free candy for having an audacity. What you suggested, returning what's lost from his cheating, is like giving him encouragement to repeat the abusive behavior. What does he has to lose? He caught cheating and his lost money is being refunded. Treat him like that and he'll repeat it. Hence the license being revoked.

You understand now?

[Pmalek]

Speaking from experience?  

No, luckily not. I never had something as severe as that happen to me nor did I cause it and got away.

Well depends if the speed limit is over 100 km/h in that area. Then its just a red light not speeding.

Remember, it's traffic lights and crossroads. You don't drive at those speeds in those conditions. But enough with the traffic symbolism.
I think OP tried to cheat, and I don't buy his story that his "friend" sent him some BTC from the same casino and told him to play there. Whether or not his cheating attempt was financially worth it, doesn't matter. Hopefully it will be a wakeup call to play fairly from now on, or he will just change it up a bit and continue in the same way.

[John Abraham]

Here is the proof

You guys are lucky with this scammer. That was fortunate that you guys checked the wallet connection. Sometimes those scammers use more tricky ways. Just imagine he used a mixer and sent his coins to Betcrypto. Even if you have backlog data where you can detect multiple accounts, you wouldn't be able to publicly show such data to prove that you guys are not lying. Scammers often create scam accusations against casinos when they are guilty of cheating and abusing bonuses. They want the community in their favor. Unfortunately, many of us believe them, and they support their flag.

Casinos don't have a chance to prove their claims because they cannot reveal everything on the forum due to security reasons. If you reveal how you detect them, the same scammer will get back to you, bypassing the method you use to catch them. We often see players come up with made-up stories like their father, mother, sister, or brother playing on those casinos and not having multiple accounts. It's their parents and their friends. Good to see you guys handled this matter in a good way.

[Betcrypto.cr]

Here is the proof

You guys are lucky with this scammer. That was fortunate that you guys checked the wallet connection. Sometimes those scammers use more tricky ways. Just imagine he used a mixer and sent his coins to Betcrypto. Even if you have backlog data where you can detect multiple accounts, you wouldn't be able to publicly show such data to prove that you guys are not lying. Scammers often create scam accusations against casinos when they are guilty of cheating and abusing bonuses. They want the community in their favor. Unfortunately, many of us believe them, and they support their flag.

Casinos don't have a chance to prove their claims because they cannot reveal everything on the forum due to security reasons. If you reveal how you detect them, the same scammer will get back to you, bypassing the method you use to catch them. We often see players come up with made-up stories like their father, mother, sister, or brother playing on those casinos and not having multiple accounts. It's their parents and their friends. Good to see you guys handled this matter in a good way.

Thanks well yes this time we had to show how we discover this scammer since we are new we don't want any drama sadly they will try again with a different method