South Africa in trouble.

[kryptqnick]

I think the USA rarely make empty accusations, but an Ambassador may express something that doesn't reflect the official US position. South Africa is denying sending weapons, but they would deny it regardless of whether it's true or not, just as Iran is obviously sending a lot to Russia but officially denies its involvement. The South African situation will probably have a follow-up with either a clarification from the US government or perhaps we'll see some weapons on the battlefield in Ukraine that will prove their involvement. If they support Russia, they should suffer from sanction, but if they don't, I don't think sanctions will be imposed.

[BIT-BENDER]

Logically speaking I would say it's all false. South Africa might be a big nation in Africa and probably theost stable African country but how do they stand in the world in terms of economy? For now they don't have that weapon sophistication to be able to supply Russia weapons in this current Russia and Ukraine war.

I believe the reason why the rand is falling is because of the FUD this news has already created and the South African economy has taking the heat. 
I think the South African government should urgently try very much to debunk this if it's a rumors because the longer the rumors keeps flying the more the Rand may keep falling against the Us dollar.

[bettercrypto]

Well, on the political environment we never know exactly who is telling the truth, or if any of them is telling the truth... I believe all you can do is to expect South African government is doing the right thing thinking on the welfare of their citizens and neighboor nations. That is, to hope the government isn't helping Russia with ammo and weapons on the backgrounds, imagining nobody is going to discover it.

That would be a big mistake from them, because once the west forces find out, there will be lots of negative consequences on the way... It really doesn't worth for South Africa the risk of helping Russia and being dragged to the hell with them side by side.

What you said is true, maybe whatever decision African governments make is always in the interest of their constituent citizens. And I just hope that the news will not reach them that it will be ugly. You know that in the news there are added and subtracted stories.

      Simply reporting or spreading fud can really cause chaos and the number one affected are the people under the control of the African government. I hope they made the right decision.

[Huppercase]

The recent accusation by US Ambassador Reuben E. Brigety that South Africa sent arms to Russia is making investors sell off the South African rand and bonds. Investors are scared that the US and its allies will hit the country with severe economic sanctions. The rand has lost value since the news was published, the currency is now 19.3250 against the dollar, its weakest in three years.

If it is confirmed that South Africa sent weapons and ammunition to Russia, the country will suffer economic problems because of sanctions. It will also be a big blow to the African economy because South Africa is the economic powerhouse of Africa. Many South African countries like Zimbabwe, Botswana Mozambique, Namibia, Eswatini, etc, depend on South Africa economically. South Africa also employs a greater number of Africans because they have many striving multinational firms.

As an African, I pray this accusation is not true because a sanction on South Africa is a sanction on the entire Africa.

So because US is ordained and specially created by God, they have supreme power to rule the world the way they like, who is US? An entity cannot rule forever, if they brought Democracy to the world to follow, they should also know that and lead by example that another country will take from where they stop. Whatever Russia is doing today, they learned it from US and they graduated and upgraded their own and US now feel threaten, they better don't do anything silly or come close to Africa, the world is not like how it used to be, things have change, if they sanction South Africa, there are wide alternatives and the earth will remain the same.

[Argoo]

South Africa being a member of the Five leading economies BRICS with an economy huge enough to influence the whole Africa doesn't mean Africans in different countries should fidget over their sanctions. Aside the presence or help of South Africa, countries like Seychelles, Nigeria, Libya, Egypt have large economies enough to sustain them in businesses. Like you mentioned the neighboring countries to Africa like Zimbabwe should be worried about this new development. Because it has been confirmed by the USA that South Africa gave out Arm to Russia to continue invading Ukraine. They're close allies and it'll be difficult for South Africa not to help Russia with weapons during war times despite their promise to remain neutral.

Is it difficult for the Republic of South Africa not to support Russia during the war? Well, if they didn’t figure it out or deliberately support Russia, which attacked the neighboring state of Ukraine and wants to destroy it by military means and, in this way, help the aggressor to commit crimes against humanity and world security, then only the South African government is to blame. Moreover, it seems that Russia's weapons are supplied secretly, which means that South Africa is quite clearly aware of its illegal actions. South Africa will not be in trouble in the form of sanctions if this country stops providing assistance to a terrorist country. There is always a choice.

[goaldigger]

Logically speaking I would say it's all false. South Africa might be a big nation in Africa and probably theost stable African country but how do they stand in the world in terms of economy? For now they don't have that weapon sophistication to be able to supply Russia weapons in this current Russia and Ukraine war.

I believe the reason why the rand is falling is because of the FUD this news has already created and the South African economy has taking the heat. 
I think the South African government should urgently try very much to debunk this if it's a rumors because the longer the rumors keeps flying the more the Rand may keep falling against the Us dollar.

Probably because South Africa is an allied of Russias as a member of BRICS, and this rumor created as US already saw this coming and the only way to attack a country is through economic sanctions. Well, South Africa have to prove their innocence though if the US government made this accusation, i think they already have the evidence for this and sooner or later, sanctions will start to be imposed. This can totally affect the African nations, let’s just wait for further news regarding this one before panicking.

[Hispo]

In my opinion, It would kind of makes sense South Africa sent those weapons to Russia, because they are both important members of the BRICS, arent they?
Perhaps the Kremlin offered something very tempting to the government of south África, like a very important role in the inclusion on the post-dollar economy they allegedly try to build together.

Anyways, If African countries start to suffer sanctions it would only mean more territory to be taken over by Chinese diplomacy, sadly.

[Uruhara]

Anyways, If African countries start to suffer sanctions it would only mean more territory to be taken over by Chinese diplomacy, sadly.

yeah i think so too. that if sanctions were imposed on southern Africa, this would in fact make China and Russia perhaps more flexible and take the opportunity to be closer to Africa diplomatically. Or even by looking at the diplomacy between south Africa and BRICS members which is actually very closely intertwined then I think south Africa will even be fine. because at least fellow BRICS members, of course they will continue to help each other economically as long as they can mutually benefit one another. I still remember when Russia was sanctioned. and in fact Russia looks fine at the moment. and instead the US is currently heading into a recession and is still at war with inflation. I hope the world doesn't have many conflicts that can heat up the current atmosphere which is already very hot.

[Darker45]

It is very possible. And it won't be surprising at all. On the contrary, South Africa secretly sending weapons and ammunitions to Russia is even quite expected. They're members of the same gang. And the country is obviously showing which side she is on. She's not hiding it. She's with China and Russia and the rest of the BRICS gang. Not only is the country a member of the group since 2010, it is the current chair and will host the BRICS summit this year. South Africa also abstained in the UN vote last year regarding Russia's invasion of Ukraine.

However, I doubt if the country is afraid of being sanctioned by the US. The country seems to feel confident, safe and secure with China and Russia's group.

[Yogee]

[....]
You are absolutely correct because the latest news is that the US ambassador that made the allegations have apologized to South Africa for making such an allegation without concrete evidence......This might be an intimidation strategy by the West to make South Africa reduce its commitment to the BRICS alliance or an administrative or diplomatic blunder by Reuben E. Brigety.

We can only guess but history tells us that US has been bullying many countries and South Africa will not be an exemption. They were able to sell the story of weapons of mass destruction for invading Iraq and Afghanistan before so they think they can make other false allegations without any serious repercussions.

I doubt it's just a blunder of the ambassador. The US is probably testing the waters for now. I won't be surprised if they come up with another accusation and claim that it's "against US interest".

[irhact]

If it is confirmed that South Africa sent weapons and ammunition to Russia, the country will suffer economic problems because of sanctions. It will also be a big blow to the African economy because South Africa is the economic powerhouse of Africa. Many South African countries like Zimbabwe, Botswana Mozambique, Namibia, Eswatini, etc, depend on South Africa economically. South Africa also employs a greater number of Africans because they have many striving multinational firms.

As an African, I pray this accusation is not true because a sanction on South Africa is a sanction on the entire Africa.

It's more than two weeks now, has the accusations been confirmed or not or this was just a false accusations on South Africa. I read the news some days ago and I saw that a politician in south Africa responsible for arms has replied stating that this news was false and no arms were sent to Russia. South Africa can't support Russia because they're enemies from back when Russia was in or called the Soviet union.

Assuming this news was to be true and South Africa did get sanctioned, South Africa shouldn't have been in trouble because they're or one of the strongest economy in Africa and they control Africa. They would have fought back and stop exportation from Africa to America.

[GeorgeJohn]

I hope that this news is not true, or else many Africans will be affected by that matter and it is not a joke. It's already a poor country, and it will sink even further into poverty if that happens to be true. And the number one hit there is the economy of African countries, that's for sure. So does that also mean that there is still no confirmation were the rumor is true? I really hope it's not true. Good luck in the African country.

If that's true it will not every country in Africa, African is a continent that has different countries in it, the way I seen African it's one of the large continent if their will be a problem or challenges facing some African countries it's few and not all the African continent, in your statement you are making your analysis as ever African is a country of one nation while it's comprises different nation's as Asia and European nations.

[DrBeer]

"I want to put my fingers in a socket, but I don't think it's fair to get electrocuted!"
This is exactly what the described problem sounds like.
Do not believe it, but the solution is extremely simple - do not mess with terrorist regimes, do not help them destroy the population of other countries, and do not become terrorists' assistants - and there will be no problems!
Yes, there is of course a nuance - the international criminal Putin, found "points" of influence on some countries / governments
  - tools - from blackmail and empty promises to a game on the theme of "rejection of the dollar" and promises of "a comfortable existence in the new world." But following the lead of a criminal is not the best way.

At the same time, we must not forget that BRICS is also not salvation. BRICS is a project for the yuanization of all members of the group, think about this too

[Kakmakr]

Well, the US must just make sure that their accusations are correct, because the South African government already made a Press statement that the Russian boat in the South African harbor where downloading food and supplies for their Russian embassy in South Africa.

South Africa forms part of the BRICS countries, so it is clear where their loyalties are... but economically that is a gamble. Everyone know the USA are in trouble and some countries are trying to distance them from that trouble.... South Africa are one of those countries.  

You are absolutely correct because the latest news is that the US ambassador that made the allegations have apologized to South Africa for making such an allegation without concrete evidence. This is a serious allegation that can ruin the political, social, and economic sectors of a country. South Africa has insisted that they are committed to its political neutrality and Arms Control Act. This might be an intimidation strategy by the West to make South Africa reduce its commitment to the BRICS alliance or an administrative or diplomatic blunder by Reuben E. Brigety.


https://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-65572154

Well, it looks like South Africa political neutrality are counting in their favor now, because the US are not in the position to talk with Russia about Peace in this war with the Ukrainians ...due to their hostile approach towards Russia.

South Africa on the other end, stayed neutral and they are talking to both countries to establish some grounds for peace talks. You can go in with all guns blazing like the Americans or you can simply extend your hand and get a political solution for the war, like the South Africans are doing. 

[stompix]

South Africa on the other end, stayed neutral and they are talking to both countries to establish some grounds for peace talks. You can go in with all guns blazing like the Americans or you can simply extend your hand and get a political solution for the war, like the South Africans are doing.  

If you would be curious to find out how apartheid ended you might have a shock to learn that a huge influence in this was caused by US and western companies boycotting everything from RSA and retreating from the country basically threatening the whole economy.

So, if you were an oppressed South African you would see the whole thing different.

Assuming this news was to be true and South Africa did get sanctioned, South Africa shouldn't have been in trouble because they're or one of the strongest economy in Africa and they control Africa.

What's the name of the fantasy world where this things you mention are true?
An economy the size of Romania, 90th place by GDP per capita in the world and so reliant on trade that the first thing will trigger a meltdown, strongest economy in Africa and an electricity crisis for 15  years are just not compatible.

[naira]

[....]
You are absolutely correct because the latest news is that the US ambassador that made the allegations have apologized to South Africa for making such an allegation without concrete evidence......This might be an intimidation strategy by the West to make South Africa reduce its commitment to the BRICS alliance or an administrative or diplomatic blunder by Reuben E. Brigety.

We can only guess but history tells us that US has been bullying many countries and South Africa will not be an exemption. They were able to sell the story of weapons of mass destruction for invading Iraq and Afghanistan before so they think they can make other false allegations without any serious repercussions.

I doubt it's just a blunder of the ambassador. The US is probably testing the waters for now. I won't be surprised if they come up with another accusation and claim that it's "against US interest".

Well anything can happen and when US politics takes on the nuances of accusation then one way or another we will eventually know which way opinion is going. What's more, South Africa is part of the BRICS whose economic condition is currently being watched by US allies. To that end, US geopolitics will continue to be hyped up as time goes on as the Presidential election draws closer. From the start, the US will look for the slightest fault in South Africa, it will continue to be used as a basis, remembering that targeting the BRICS alliance, the country's lowest choice in terms of the economy will be annihilated first.

[Blowon]

if it happens to south africa. it is so difficult when we see two camps fighting each other and our country has closeness between the two. the fear is for their civilians who should not interfere with wars but are indirectly affected by them. I think they should end this war soon.

[panganib999]

What's this? A little fuck you to US? That wouldn't sit well with the rest of the world!

"I want to put my fingers in a socket, but I don't think it's fair to get electrocuted!"

That's basically what SA's asking for with this amazing maneuver. They wanted to help terrorism and the invasion of territories but do not want to suffer the consequences of their actions when shit hits the fan. Of course the South Africans who are once again got nothing to do with this situation are going to suffer the brunt of the work from various NATO colonies as per usual. Although I don't think an outfront attack will happen cause that's basically asking for war.

In any case, South Africa is definitely going to be in a massive problem once the dust settles, this basically outs them as someone who confides with the Putin and their crooked beliefs but whatever, let's just see how things pan out.

[Sithara007]

The West need to realize that they can't just sanction everyone. Recently they threatened South Africa with sanctions, for refusing to side with them against Russia. Now South Africa has joined other BRICS nations, to work towards a common currency for the bloc. Details here:

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-06-01/brics-nations-say-new-currency-may-offer-shield-from-sanctions

Having a common currency will help these countries to circumvent unjustified sanctions and threats from countries such as the United States and the United Kingdom. Meanwhile, BRICS is currently dealing with membership requests from more than 20 countries, including Saudi Arabia.

[Argoo]

Well, it looks like South Africa political neutrality are counting in their favor now, because the US are not in the position to talk with Russia about Peace in this war with the Ukrainians ...due to their hostile approach towards Russia.

South Africa on the other end, stayed neutral and they are talking to both countries to establish some grounds for peace talks. You can go in with all guns blazing like the Americans or you can simply extend your hand and get a political solution for the war, like the South Africans are doing. 

Not everything is as clear as it seems at first glance. The South African authorities do not really want to spoil relations with the West because of Russia and its Putin dictatorship.

After a row with the US ambassador, who accused South Africa of supplying weapons to Russia, the South African currency, the rand, fell sharply against the US dollar. This is bad news for a country already struggling with a failing energy system, chronic unemployment and crumbling infrastructure.

  South Africa is now also facing another diplomatic headache as it tries to decide whether to uphold an invitation it extended to Vladimir Putin to visit Johaesburg in August for the BRICS summit scheduled for August 22-24.

On May 31, Undersecretary for SOEs Obed Bapela told the BBC that the country wants legislation to allow it to decide whether to arrest leaders wanted by the ICC. But a spokesman for the South African Justice Department, speaking on condition of anonymity, told Reuters that Parliament would not have time to pass the law before the summit. This is in addition to the fact that such a legal act would violate, in fact, the law on the ratification of the Rome Statute.

Because South Africa continues to look for ways to get out of a difficult situation. They are even considering the option of asking China to host the BRICS summit instead of South Africa.