South Africa in trouble.

[DrBeer]

This entire argument doesn't sound logical for me. Initially they were accusing Iran of supplying drones to the Russian Armed Forces and now they are accusing South Africa. As far as I know, South Africa is a net importer of weapons. What is the need for Russia to import weapons from this country, when the manufacturing facilities within Russia are operating at full-strength? I guess these arguments are levelled against South Africa because they refused to join the Western bloc in enforcing sanctions against Russia. However, I really doubt whether such coercive actions would make any change in their stance. It can have the opposite effect.

What doesn't seem logical to you? Russia has its "friends of terror", there are "hand dogs" and there are partners for whom "money doesn't smell".

As for Iran - everything is proven, there is a huge evidence base on the use of Iranian UAVs against peaceful cities of Ukraine. There is something not logical here?

South Africa is also "exposed" in hidden ammunition deliveries. An investigation is still on its way.
In addition, I would like to add that the President of South Africa came to us in Kiev not so long ago as part of the so-called "peacekeeping mission of African countries". Do you know what he thinks it looks like to stop Russia's terrorist war against Ukraine, which for some reason he calls "conflict" ? The main points:
- Drop the criminal case against Putin
- Lifting sanctions against Russia
- Accept the annexation of territories
- Agree to Russia's terms.
... and there will be peace.

It's called propping up terrorist interests. I understand that russia is "bursting at the seams" and they send all their "hand dogs" to beg for a pause, without which russia is guaranteed to slide into the abyss... But these are futile attempts.
And remember - those who are backing an international terrorist country, and consequently those who directly or indirectly support the attempted destruction of Ukraine, will "get what they deserve." For the international crime of the 21st century everyone - from the perpetrator to his assistants - will be responsible!  Therefore, I strongly recommend to the people of the countries where the pro-Kremlin "mutts" sit at the head to change this regime, because the population, unfortunately, will also share the responsibility for the actions of such rulers.

The people of South Africa are already beginning to feel this responsibility on themselves, a "good" example that is better not to be repeated

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[Ozero]

This entire argument doesn't sound logical for me. Initially they were accusing Iran of supplying drones to the Russian Armed Forces and now they are accusing South Africa. As far as I know, South Africa is a net importer of weapons. What is the need for Russia to import weapons from this country, when the manufacturing facilities within Russia are operating at full-strength? I guess these arguments are levelled against South Africa because they refused to join the Western bloc in enforcing sanctions against Russia. However, I really doubt whether such coercive actions would make any change in their stance. It can have the opposite effect.

The Iranian government has already been fairly well documented in that they have supplied and continue to supply drones to Russia. With the supply of weapons from South Africa, indeed, so far, as far as I know, there is no unambiguously confirmed information. Therefore, if they did not supply weapons and are not going to supply them to Russia, then they have nothing to fear.

In Russia, the defense industry is now really working at its full potential. But there are two problems here. First: Russia cannot produce high-precision weapons in the same quantities due to the sanctions, although it uses the opportunity to partially bypass them. And secondly, the Armed Forces of Ukraine destroy military equipment much faster than it is produced in Russia. So there is still a problem.

[slapper]

~snip~

Countries engaging in disruptive activities can indeed stir discord. Still, hurling allegations without thorough understanding and undeniable proof is dangerous. Reflect upon the Iran and South Africa scenario you referenced. Yes, if true, it's worrying. But remember, global politics can often veil truth behind diplomatic facades and strategic maneuvers.

In terms of the "peacekeeping mission," such actions often hide ulterior motives. However, branding them as 'advancing terrorist interests' may be a simplistic viewpoint. The impact of supporting a so-called 'international terrorist country' can indeed be dire. Yet, the path to resolving such complexities is strewn with obstacles.

[Victan22]

Arms race is gradually taking over the world and it's economy today and if caution is not applied soon enough I see a third World War rooting out soon and when this happens nations of the third world down to the First World will surely be affected greatly.
Nations  aiding a warring nation with arms Rather than talk peace as an advice to them is considered a "proxy war" And as such things may never go well between the third party and their Allies opponent in time to come because war and the trauma that comes with it is no something anyone can never  forget hurriedly.

American accusation on South Africa for me is merely same coin of different sides because they have always been the masterminds of arms race among warring nations over the  years  so I believe that their Economic  sanction On South Africa will not hinder Africa's economy rather it will grant her (Africa) an opportunity to make new economic friends.

[DrBeer]

~snip~

Countries engaging in disruptive activities can indeed stir discord. Still, hurling allegations without thorough understanding and undeniable proof is dangerous. Reflect upon the Iran and South Africa scenario you referenced. Yes, if true, it's worrying. But remember, global politics can often veil truth behind diplomatic facades and strategic maneuvers.

In terms of the "peacekeeping mission," such actions often hide ulterior motives. However, branding them as 'advancing terrorist interests' may be a simplistic viewpoint. The impact of supporting a so-called 'international terrorist country' can indeed be dire. Yet, the path to resolving such complexities is strewn with obstacles.

Tell me, what are FACTS for you?
Facts for me:
- An Iranian general with a smirk declares that the Russians sent a party of Shaheds.
- the intelligence services of many countries have stated that deliveries are made by aviation and the Caspian Sea.
- I have ONE OF MANY UAVs shot down at night 1.5 km from my apartment, which is 100% consistent with the Shahed XXX Model.
- when disassembling the remains of downed vehicles - inside I see assembly markings in Persian, structural elements with Iranian markings.
Are these not facts? Believe me, large sets of information (wreckage, photos, intercepts of conversations, documentation, etc.) have already been collected and transferred to investigators of international organizations ...

Regarding South Africa, they were unable to deliver and handed over ammunition to a terrorist comrade, they were "caught" along the way, "by the hand." And the investigation is ongoing, because. Russia is trying through all the "holes" to get at least some help ....

[Yawa2020]

The recent accusation by US Ambassador Reuben E. Brigety that South Africa sent arms to Russia is making investors sell off the South African rand and bonds. Investors are scared that the US and its allies will hit the country with severe economic sanctions. The rand has lost value since the news was published, the currency is now 19.3250 against the dollar, its weakest in three years.

If it is confirmed that South Africa sent weapons and ammunition to Russia, the country will suffer economic problems because of sanctions. It will also be a big blow to the African economy because South Africa is the economic powerhouse of Africa. Many South African countries like Zimbabwe, Botswana Mozambique, Namibia, Eswatini, etc, depend on South Africa economically. South Africa also employs a greater number of Africans because they have many striving multinational firms.

As an African, I pray this accusation is not true because a sanction on South Africa is a sanction on the entire Africa.

This mentality should be stopped else africa will continue to be the slave of western world. The inferiority is alarming. US is doing more than enough and no country attempt to question them. South Africa and Africa at large should not be interrupted with the threat of sanction. The earlier Africans stand for themselves and stop the mentality of being inferior, the better for them.

[Odohu]

The recent accusation by US Ambassador Reuben E. Brigety that South Africa sent arms to Russia is making investors sell off the South African rand and bonds. Investors are scared that the US and its allies will hit the country with severe economic sanctions. The rand has lost value since the news was published, the currency is now 19.3250 against the dollar, its weakest in three years.

If it is confirmed that South Africa sent weapons and ammunition to Russia, the country will suffer economic problems because of sanctions. It will also be a big blow to the African economy because South Africa is the economic powerhouse of Africa. Many South African countries like Zimbabwe, Botswana Mozambique, Namibia, Eswatini, etc, depend on South Africa economically. South Africa also employs a greater number of Africans because they have many striving multinational firms.

As an African, I pray this accusation is not true because a sanction on South Africa is a sanction on the entire Africa.

If you remember that South Africa is a member of BRICS nation, then such news will not be a surprise to you. Part of the reasons for joining bodies like BRICS, NATO, AU, ECOWAS and what have you is primarily to support member states in terms of trade, information and material sharing and other areas. Therefore, it should not be strange if this news is true... maybe people will just become political about it because when NATO member states share resources, it does not cause much problems.

Anyone paying attention would have notice that the world is heading towards two dominant powers: "Army of the East and Army of the West". As a matter of fact, nations are already aligning to reflect this realities. All the proxy wars happening here and there is between both powers: from Syria to Ukraine, Sudan and Niger (in the pipeline).

I believe South African government already know a day like this will come and should be prepared for the consequences. Indeed, the future of humanity is looking bleak everyday and I wonder when the world will ever be peaceful again.

[19Nov16]

As we know that the South African state has an important role for Africa, if there is a problem with South Africa, for example, getting an economic embargo from the USA and Europe, it is certain to make the African continent affected directly, and we hope that this problem will soon end in peace .

[DrBeer]

The real problem in Africa is that some "dogs of the Kremlin" decided, at the behest of an international criminal, to launch "colorful coups" - Guinea, Mali, Niger, Sudan....
Since 2020, there have been coup attempts in eight countries in West Africa and the Sahel region. Of these, five have been successful, three have not.
Meanwhile, of the 17 coups d'états that have taken place in the world since 2017, 16 have occurred in Africa.

And this is a map. Does nothing seem strange to you ?



 PS About Russian flags at the "people's" I will not talk about

[Gozie51]

Snip~

No mate, south Africa is no longer the economic hub of Africa, recent news from South Africa points to a more volatile state of things, as they have lost the will for peaceful co-existence, and also it important to take into account their relationship with another African country.

South Africa has a high record of violent attacks against foreigners most especially those from other African countries e.g. Nigeria, Ghana, and other English-speaking African countries name (Xenophobia).

If anything happens to South Africa economy, it is not going to affect African economy because already Africans there are complaining of harsh relation from the citizens of South Africa and the foreigners are already leaving their country for them and traveling to Europe and other countries. For the past 10 years plus, South Africa have been known with xenophobic attacks on foreigners, people don't transact much with them anymore and I read they are now struggling with their economy because some of their facilities are deteriorating like electricity. If they are to face sanctions from US and NATO, it will not affect African economy.