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May 30, 2023, 12:02:52 PM
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A real champ is ready to fight anyone. If Haney thinks that he really won that fight, then he can beat Loma one more time, and one more, and many more times. But Haney seems to be only a champ in tweeting Cheesy

He made his decision, perhaps because he doesn't want to take any risks, knowing that Loma is capable of defeating him if they were to fight again. I understand that many fans may not appreciate Haney's style, so let's hope that in his next fight, he will suffer a loss and that will serve as a wake-up call for him to reassess his abilities as a boxer.

Loma does want a rematch, and it's likely that the fans desire it as well. However, just as when Manny Pacquiao asked for a rematch with Mayweather, it is uncertain if Loma will be granted the opportunity for a rematch.
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May 30, 2023, 12:04:05 PM
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Wow... Never expected Haney to be such a rotten guy. This tweet only proves that Loma was better that evening. Such people, who always scream like that, that they are best, and dont want to rematch or ever fight again show how scared they are lose their belt. Same was with Lopez. He was also same douchbag when he won and refuses to fight again and said he is the greatest, and lost the belt in next fight.

With that tweet, I don't think that a rematch with Loma would happen and with his situation with Top Rank, that scenario of not having a rematch got worst. That statement is not for winners to say, agree Loma got his numbers that night that might be the reason for his rant on tweeter which might have a downside on his career as surely he lose some fans with his performance then this statement of gratitude on tweeter.

A real champ is ready to fight anyone. If Haney thinks that he really won that fight, then he can beat Loma one more time, and one more, and many more times. But Haney seems to be only a champ in tweeting Cheesy

Haney tries to follow in the footsteps of Mayweather but I think he is so far behind the Money. When Mayweather fought Castillo and won via controversial decision the former immediately give Castillo a rematch and there, he proved that the belt rightfully belonged to him.

For Haney, if he thinks he is better than Loma, even if they fought four times, he would still be victorious if indeed his skills and talent are way above Loma so why the talk?
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May 30, 2023, 01:28:34 PM
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Haney tries to follow in the footsteps of Mayweather but I think he is so far behind the Money. When Mayweather fought Castillo and won via controversial decision the former immediately give Castillo a rematch and there, he proved that the belt rightfully belonged to him.

For Haney, if he thinks he is better than Loma, even if they fought four times, he would still be victorious if indeed his skills and talent are way above Loma so why the talk?


Mayweather's name in boxing is 'Money' because money follows him every time he fights. In the case of Haney, he isn't a pay-per-view (PPV) attraction like Mayweather, so he still has to prove himself more before reaching the status of Mayweather before retirement. Mayweather has fought the best in the boxing world and has dominated most of the fights he won. As you mentioned, he even gave rematches, which sets him apart from Haney.

I think there are two similarities between both boxers: they are undefeated and sometimes considered boring.



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May 31, 2023, 09:26:54 AM
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A real champ is ready to fight anyone. If Haney thinks that he really won that fight, then he can beat Loma one more time, and one more, and many more times. But Haney seems to be only a champ in tweeting Cheesy
Loma does want a rematch, and it's likely that the fans desire it as well. However, just as when Manny Pacquiao asked for a rematch with Mayweather, it is uncertain if Loma will be granted the opportunity for a rematch.
With that tweet, I don't think that a rematch with Loma would happen and with his situation with Top Rank, that scenario of not having a rematch got worst.

They might have a rematch in few years, when Loma would be about to end his career, like third fight between Canelo and GGG. That time Canelo also claimed that he had won fair and see no reason for another fight. That there is no use to beat again a guy he has already beaten. However they have met again in 4 years. In 4 years Loma would be almost 40 and much more experienced Cheesy Perfect time to accept a rematch Cheesy

Another thing I dont like about Haney - WBC champion said ‘Fight a white boy 10 times, I’m going to beat him 10 times’ in reference to Vasyl Lomachenko. This is not the first time he is telling how "white boys" are weaker than "black".

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May 31, 2023, 01:05:15 PM
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Another thing I dont like about Haney - WBC champion said ‘Fight a white boy 10 times, I’m going to beat him 10 times’ in reference to Vasyl Lomachenko. This is not the first time he is telling how "white boys" are weaker than "black".

It is often assumed that white individuals are the ones who exhibit racism, but in this case, it is the opposite. However, we should not generalize or label people based on their race, as racism has no place in our world. While it is true that black individuals excel in many sports, including the NBA where most superstars are black, it is important to recognize that racism is unacceptable. As a boxer, Haney should consider himself a role model and inspire people rather than causing harm. Criticizing Loma using racist comments not only hurts Loma personally but also reflects negatively on the country he represents, which is highly inappropriate.

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May 31, 2023, 02:04:43 PM
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Another thing I dont like about Haney - WBC champion said ‘Fight a white boy 10 times, I’m going to beat him 10 times’ in reference to Vasyl Lomachenko. This is not the first time he is telling how "white boys" are weaker than "black".

It is often assumed that white individuals are the ones who exhibit racism, but in this case, it is the opposite. However, we should not generalize or label people based on their race, as racism has no place in our world. While it is true that black individuals excel in many sports, including the NBA where most superstars are black, it is important to recognize that racism is unacceptable. As a boxer, Haney should consider himself a role model and inspire people rather than causing harm. Criticizing Loma using racist comments not only hurts Loma personally but also reflects negatively on the country he represents, which is highly inappropriate.

Why doesn't he give Loma a chance for a rematch instead of talking so much? If he wins again, then he can speak however he likes. The problem is, his excessive talking doesn't help him sell future fights, especially when he engages in racist criticisms towards white people. This kind of behavior could alienate the millions of fans who are predominantly white. He should be cautious with his words and consider investing in public relations (PR) to manage his image effectively.

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May 31, 2023, 05:48:13 PM
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Haney tries to follow in the footsteps of Mayweather but I think he is so far behind the Money. When Mayweather fought Castillo and won via controversial decision the former immediately give Castillo a rematch and there, he proved that the belt rightfully belonged to him.

For Haney, if he thinks he is better than Loma, even if they fought four times, he would still be victorious if indeed his skills and talent are way above Loma so why the talk?


Mayweather's name in boxing is 'Money' because money follows him every time he fights. In the case of Haney, he isn't a pay-per-view (PPV) attraction like Mayweather, so he still has to prove himself more before reaching the status of Mayweather before retirement. Mayweather has fought the best in the boxing world and has dominated most of the fights he won. As you mentioned, he even gave rematches, which sets him apart from Haney.

I think there are two similarities between both boxers: they are undefeated and sometimes considered boring.

He only tries to copy what Mayweather would do in this kind of scenario where his chances are literally not that high if he will permit Loma to have his much-wanted rematch, besides, I think he already knew that he definitely lack on promoting a fight as that is not his forte. The only who is best in copying Mayweather's tactics that I see is from the welterweight division, which is Errol Spence Jr., a PPV King who numerously had big fights wherever he goes, especially now if they he will indeed share the same ring with Crawford.

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May 31, 2023, 05:53:17 PM
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Another thing I dont like about Haney - WBC champion said ‘Fight a white boy 10 times, I’m going to beat him 10 times’ in reference to Vasyl Lomachenko. This is not the first time he is telling how "white boys" are weaker than "black".

It is often assumed that white individuals are the ones who exhibit racism, but in this case, it is the opposite. However, we should not generalize or label people based on their race, as racism has no place in our world. While it is true that black individuals excel in many sports, including the NBA where most superstars are black, it is important to recognize that racism is unacceptable. As a boxer, Haney should consider himself a role model and inspire people rather than causing harm. Criticizing Loma using racist comments not only hurts Loma personally but also reflects negatively on the country he represents, which is highly inappropriate.

Why doesn't he give Loma a chance for a rematch instead of talking so much? If he wins again, then he can speak however he likes. The problem is, his excessive talking doesn't help him sell future fights, especially when he engages in racist criticisms towards white people. This kind of behavior could alienate the millions of fans who are predominantly white. He should be cautious with his words and consider investing in public relations (PR) to manage his image effectively.

Wasn't really a wise choice because that statement he released will really make his image bad and could potentially ruin his career if his next few fights will sell much lower compared to what they had in Haney vs Loma fight where they only had below 200k PPV buys. What is the use of being a champion if organizers and promoters are already not making that much money out of him, sooner or later, he will be thrown under the bus if he will not rectify his moves and be cautious about the words.
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May 31, 2023, 05:54:40 PM
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Haney tries to follow in the footsteps of Mayweather but I think he is so far behind the Money. When Mayweather fought Castillo and won via controversial decision the former immediately give Castillo a rematch and there, he proved that the belt rightfully belonged to him.

For Haney, if he thinks he is better than Loma, even if they fought four times, he would still be victorious if indeed his skills and talent are way above Loma so why the talk?


Mayweather's name in boxing is 'Money' because money follows him every time he fights. In the case of Haney, he isn't a pay-per-view (PPV) attraction like Mayweather, so he still has to prove himself more before reaching the status of Mayweather before retirement. Mayweather has fought the best in the boxing world and has dominated most of the fights he won. As you mentioned, he even gave rematches, which sets him apart from Haney.

I think there are two similarities between both boxers: they are undefeated and sometimes considered boring.

He only tries to copy what Mayweather would do in this kind of scenario where his chances are literally not that high if he will permit Loma to have his much-wanted rematch, besides, I think he already knew that he definitely lack on promoting a fight as that is not his forte. The only who is best in copying Mayweather's tactics that I see is from the welterweight division, which is Errol Spence Jr., a PPV King who numerously had big fights wherever he goes, especially now if they he will indeed share the same ring with Crawford.

It's really hard to copy the style of Mayweather in promoting his fight, I think him and Manny are truly one of a kind. It's better for Haney to do just what he knows in promoting his fight, although that shove to Loma cause him $400k and that is bad a promotional stunt.

Just thrash talk, go to the public, but then again, try not to be a boring fighter. Floyd is not boring at 135 lbs, on the contrary, he has one of his best fights in this division, knocking out people and facing the best of them. So it's hard to compare Haney and Floyd with how the promote their fight and how they finished it.

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Another thing I dont like about Haney - WBC champion said ‘Fight a white boy 10 times, I’m going to beat him 10 times’ in reference to Vasyl Lomachenko. This is not the first time he is telling how "white boys" are weaker than "black".

It is often assumed that white individuals are the ones who exhibit racism, but in this case, it is the opposite. However, we should not generalize or label people based on their race, as racism has no place in our world. While it is true that black individuals excel in many sports, including the NBA where most superstars are black, it is important to recognize that racism is unacceptable. As a boxer, Haney should consider himself a role model and inspire people rather than causing harm. Criticizing Loma using racist comments not only hurts Loma personally but also reflects negatively on the country he represents, which is highly inappropriate.

Why doesn't he give Loma a chance for a rematch instead of talking so much? If he wins again, then he can speak however he likes. The problem is, his excessive talking doesn't help him sell future fights, especially when he engages in racist criticisms towards white people. This kind of behavior could alienate the millions of fans who are predominantly white. He should be cautious with his words and consider investing in public relations (PR) to manage his image effectively.
Because he doesn't want to give Loma his due credit for a rematch, simply as that. Just like when Teo beat Loma, he didn't want to because maybe they know that they could lose in the rematch and now playing the race card which doesn't makes any sense and obviously, he is hiding from that excuse.

Nevertheless, Loma might have another chance for a belt though, it seems that he wants to go up in weight so he will have to vacant the 4 belts. And Loma being the number 1 contender, will go and fight for the best belt out there, maybe WBC or WBA.

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Because he doesn't want to give Loma his due credit for a rematch, simply as that. Just like when Teo beat Loma, he didn't want to because maybe they know that they could lose in the rematch and now playing the race card which doesn't makes any sense and obviously, he is hiding from that excuse.

Yes, that is exactly the same situation and sadly for our own Lomachenko, he again found himself in the situation where he hates the most as this have already happened to him after he fought Teofiomo Lopez. It will be unfortunate to say but I think it's time for him to move-on because no matter what he do or say or even created a large hype, if Devin's camp is not interested at all then there will be no rematch.

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Nevertheless, Loma might have another chance for a belt though, it seems that he wants to go up in weight so he will have to vacant the 4 belts. And Loma being the number 1 contender, will go and fight for the best belt out there, maybe WBC or WBA.

There is no telling right now because knowing Devin Haney and Bob Arum, they might try the next weight class first rather than leaving and vacate all four belts right away because if he vacates it and will have no luck in the next weight class, he will no longer unify it as we already know his chances.

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Wasn't really a wise choice because that statement he released will really make his image bad and could potentially ruin his career if his next few fights will sell much lower compared to what they had in Haney vs Loma fight where they only had below 200k PPV buys. What is the use of being a champion if organizers and promoters are already not making that much money out of him, sooner or later, he will be thrown under the bus if he will not rectify his moves and be cautious about the words.
And that is something Haney does not seem to understand, judges often can give a close victory to a new promising boxer over a veteran as they see in them the ability to make a lot of money, and there is little doubt promoters are in it as well, so even if we cannot deny Haney is a good boxer it seems to me he was given the win over Lomachenko for similar reasons, however if he damages his image to the point promoters cannot make money out of his fights then he should not be surprised if he is on the receiving end of a similar maneuver.
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Because he doesn't want to give Loma his due credit for a rematch, simply as that. Just like when Teo beat Loma, he didn't want to because maybe they know that they could lose in the rematch and now playing the race card which doesn't makes any sense and obviously, he is hiding from that excuse.

Yes, that is exactly the same situation and sadly for our own Lomachenko, he again found himself in the situation where he hates the most as this have already happened to him after he fought Teofiomo Lopez. It will be unfortunate to say but I think it's time for him to move-on because no matter what he do or say or even created a large hype, if Devin's camp is not interested at all then there will be no rematch.

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Nevertheless, Loma might have another chance for a belt though, it seems that he wants to go up in weight so he will have to vacant the 4 belts. And Loma being the number 1 contender, will go and fight for the best belt out there, maybe WBC or WBA.

There is no telling right now because knowing Devin Haney and Bob Arum, they might try the next weight class first rather than leaving and vacate all four belts right away because if he vacates it and will have no luck in the next weight class, he will no longer unify it as we already know his chances.
Important to mentioned though that this is Haney's last fight with Bob Arum and he says that he is no longer re-singing with the fame promoter,

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Devin Haney has denied that he extended his contract with Top Rank, and he even took a shot at promoter Bob Arum in reaction to him saying that Vasyl Lomachenko easily won their fight last Saturday night

https://www.boxingnews24.com/2023/05/devin-haney-denies-extending-contract-with-top-rank-2-days-before-fight/

So Top Rank no longer controls what Haney wanted to do in the future, whether have a rematch with Loma (which I doubt), or go to the next weight class and continue to chase belts. Although win or lose, Top Rank will have one of the belts that Josh Taylor and Teo Lopez are fighting for this month.

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Wasn't really a wise choice because that statement he released will really make his image bad and could potentially ruin his career if his next few fights will sell much lower compared to what they had in Haney vs Loma fight where they only had below 200k PPV buys. What is the use of being a champion if organizers and promoters are already not making that much money out of him, sooner or later, he will be thrown under the bus if he will not rectify his moves and be cautious about the words.
And that is something Haney does not seem to understand, judges often can give a close victory to a new promising boxer over a veteran as they see in them the ability to make a lot of money, and there is little doubt promoters are in it as well, so even if we cannot deny Haney is a good boxer it seems to me he was given the win over Lomachenko for similar reasons, however if he damages his image to the point promoters cannot make money out of his fights then he should not be surprised if he is on the receiving end of a similar maneuver.
If Devin Haney will commit the same mistakes again and will not think twice before spitting some nonsense yet spicy words, he might leave Bob Arum with no other choice but to proceed with another future star and will start capitalizing on him rather than Haney because Bob Arum himself doesn't want controversies or be connected to an issue that his own boxer has started.

Haney should understand his situation fully because he is starting to be a liability to Top Rank and with his plans nowadays, he might get some unwanted struggle in signing a new contract with another promotion if he will not change his antics.

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Wasn't really a wise choice because that statement he released will really make his image bad and could potentially ruin his career if his next few fights will sell much lower compared to what they had in Haney vs Loma fight where they only had below 200k PPV buys. What is the use of being a champion if organizers and promoters are already not making that much money out of him, sooner or later, he will be thrown under the bus if he will not rectify his moves and be cautious about the words.
And that is something Haney does not seem to understand, judges often can give a close victory to a new promising boxer over a veteran as they see in them the ability to make a lot of money, and there is little doubt promoters are in it as well, so even if we cannot deny Haney is a good boxer it seems to me he was given the win over Lomachenko for similar reasons, however if he damages his image to the point promoters cannot make money out of his fights then he should not be surprised if he is on the receiving end of a similar maneuver.
If Devin Haney will commit the same mistakes again and will not think twice before spitting some nonsense yet spicy words, he might leave Bob Arum with no other choice but to proceed with another future star and will start capitalizing on him rather than Haney because Bob Arum himself doesn't want controversies or be connected to an issue that his own boxer has started.

Haney should understand his situation fully because he is starting to be a liability to Top Rank and with his plans nowadays, he might get some unwanted struggle in signing a new contract with another promotion if he will not change his antics.

And most likely it will be Shakur Stevenson, Arum is building up this kid to the point that we want to see him fight Haney or even Loma at this point. However, Haney might go and shift to Match room so the potential fight might be shelved for a while.

So most likely it will be Stevenson vs Loma, maybe for a title eliminator if ever Haney decided to move up in weight. Or willing to face the winner of that fight, (if negotiations push through).

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Wasn't really a wise choice because that statement he released will really make his image bad and could potentially ruin his career if his next few fights will sell much lower compared to what they had in Haney vs Loma fight where they only had below 200k PPV buys. What is the use of being a champion if organizers and promoters are already not making that much money out of him, sooner or later, he will be thrown under the bus if he will not rectify his moves and be cautious about the words.
And that is something Haney does not seem to understand, judges often can give a close victory to a new promising boxer over a veteran as they see in them the ability to make a lot of money, and there is little doubt promoters are in it as well, so even if we cannot deny Haney is a good boxer it seems to me he was given the win over Lomachenko for similar reasons, however if he damages his image to the point promoters cannot make money out of his fights then he should not be surprised if he is on the receiving end of a similar maneuver.
If Devin Haney will commit the same mistakes again and will not think twice before spitting some nonsense yet spicy words, he might leave Bob Arum with no other choice but to proceed with another future star and will start capitalizing on him rather than Haney because Bob Arum himself doesn't want controversies or be connected to an issue that his own boxer has started.

Haney should understand his situation fully because he is starting to be a liability to Top Rank and with his plans nowadays, he might get some unwanted struggle in signing a new contract with another promotion if he will not change his antics.

And most likely it will be Shakur Stevenson, Arum is building up this kid to the point that we want to see him fight Haney or even Loma at this point. However, Haney might go and shift to Match room so the potential fight might be shelved for a while.

So most likely it will be Stevenson vs Loma, maybe for a title eliminator if ever Haney decided to move up in weight. Or willing to face the winner of that fight, (if negotiations push through).

There is still some room left for Devin Haney to finish what he started at lightweight division, over all, he is already done sweeping the whole division and before he start to consider leaving the weight class, he should fight Shakur Stevenson first as he probably wanted that in this situation where majority of people are already doubting at him as he was not that impressive against Lomachenko, who could have defeated him if he wasn't having some +1 in the judge's favor.

Also, I think this is also the plan of Bob Arum to replace Devin Haney before the latter can proceed in signing towards another promoter. Besides, when marketing a fight, Shakur knows it well compared to Haney.

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June 04, 2023, 08:02:44 PM
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Wasn't really a wise choice because that statement he released will really make his image bad and could potentially ruin his career if his next few fights will sell much lower compared to what they had in Haney vs Loma fight where they only had below 200k PPV buys. What is the use of being a champion if organizers and promoters are already not making that much money out of him, sooner or later, he will be thrown under the bus if he will not rectify his moves and be cautious about the words.
And that is something Haney does not seem to understand, judges often can give a close victory to a new promising boxer over a veteran as they see in them the ability to make a lot of money, and there is little doubt promoters are in it as well, so even if we cannot deny Haney is a good boxer it seems to me he was given the win over Lomachenko for similar reasons, however if he damages his image to the point promoters cannot make money out of his fights then he should not be surprised if he is on the receiving end of a similar maneuver.
If Devin Haney will commit the same mistakes again and will not think twice before spitting some nonsense yet spicy words, he might leave Bob Arum with no other choice but to proceed with another future star and will start capitalizing on him rather than Haney because Bob Arum himself doesn't want controversies or be connected to an issue that his own boxer has started.

Haney should understand his situation fully because he is starting to be a liability to Top Rank and with his plans nowadays, he might get some unwanted struggle in signing a new contract with another promotion if he will not change his antics.

And most likely it will be Shakur Stevenson, Arum is building up this kid to the point that we want to see him fight Haney or even Loma at this point. However, Haney might go and shift to Match room so the potential fight might be shelved for a while.

So most likely it will be Stevenson vs Loma, maybe for a title eliminator if ever Haney decided to move up in weight. Or willing to face the winner of that fight, (if negotiations push through).

There is still some room left for Devin Haney to finish what he started at lightweight division, over all, he is already done sweeping the whole division and before he start to consider leaving the weight class, he should fight Shakur Stevenson first as he probably wanted that in this situation where majority of people are already doubting at him as he was not that impressive against Lomachenko, who could have defeated him if he wasn't having some +1 in the judge's favor.

Also, I think this is also the plan of Bob Arum to replace Devin Haney before the latter can proceed in signing towards another promoter. Besides, when marketing a fight, Shakur knows it well compared to Haney.

But if Haney wanted to step up in weight to Junior Welterweight, then Bob Arum can't do anything about it anymore. Yes Shakur wanted to fight but the burden is now on Haney or at least he has the total control of the situation. That is the only fight that matters now at 135 for Haney, Shakur or Tank Davis, and maybe that is the reason why he didn't sign to Top Rank, because only Shakur will be the guarantee fight for him. After that there's none, and the Junior Welterweight has only Josh Taylor and Teo Lopez for Top Rank. So maybe Haney will go up in weight and chase other champions that has been in the control of PBC or Al Haymon.

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June 05, 2023, 07:01:52 PM
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Wasn't really a wise choice because that statement he released will really make his image bad and could potentially ruin his career if his next few fights will sell much lower compared to what they had in Haney vs Loma fight where they only had below 200k PPV buys. What is the use of being a champion if organizers and promoters are already not making that much money out of him, sooner or later, he will be thrown under the bus if he will not rectify his moves and be cautious about the words.
And that is something Haney does not seem to understand, judges often can give a close victory to a new promising boxer over a veteran as they see in them the ability to make a lot of money, and there is little doubt promoters are in it as well, so even if we cannot deny Haney is a good boxer it seems to me he was given the win over Lomachenko for similar reasons, however if he damages his image to the point promoters cannot make money out of his fights then he should not be surprised if he is on the receiving end of a similar maneuver.
If Devin Haney will commit the same mistakes again and will not think twice before spitting some nonsense yet spicy words, he might leave Bob Arum with no other choice but to proceed with another future star and will start capitalizing on him rather than Haney because Bob Arum himself doesn't want controversies or be connected to an issue that his own boxer has started.

Haney should understand his situation fully because he is starting to be a liability to Top Rank and with his plans nowadays, he might get some unwanted struggle in signing a new contract with another promotion if he will not change his antics.

And most likely it will be Shakur Stevenson, Arum is building up this kid to the point that we want to see him fight Haney or even Loma at this point. However, Haney might go and shift to Match room so the potential fight might be shelved for a while.

So most likely it will be Stevenson vs Loma, maybe for a title eliminator if ever Haney decided to move up in weight. Or willing to face the winner of that fight, (if negotiations push through).

There is still some room left for Devin Haney to finish what he started at lightweight division, over all, he is already done sweeping the whole division and before he start to consider leaving the weight class, he should fight Shakur Stevenson first as he probably wanted that in this situation where majority of people are already doubting at him as he was not that impressive against Lomachenko, who could have defeated him if he wasn't having some +1 in the judge's favor.

Also, I think this is also the plan of Bob Arum to replace Devin Haney before the latter can proceed in signing towards another promoter. Besides, when marketing a fight, Shakur knows it well compared to Haney.

But if Haney wanted to step up in weight to Junior Welterweight, then Bob Arum can't do anything about it anymore. Yes Shakur wanted to fight but the burden is now on Haney or at least he has the total control of the situation. That is the only fight that matters now at 135 for Haney, Shakur or Tank Davis, and maybe that is the reason why he didn't sign to Top Rank, because only Shakur will be the guarantee fight for him. After that there's none, and the Junior Welterweight has only Josh Taylor and Teo Lopez for Top Rank. So maybe Haney will go up in weight and chase other champions that has been in the control of PBC or Al Haymon.

Yes, I agree. Haney knows the situation very well and that is why he is now making some moves towards another banner so that he can see the horizon in a much wider picture and he knows as well that sooner or later, he will be facing Shakur Stevenson as that will be Bob Arum's only remaining undefeated cow at 135 and they will start to scout some belts, while on the other hand, he does have a huge chance to make a fight with Tank Davis as Tank is one of the PBC's dogs.

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June 06, 2023, 06:59:10 AM
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But if Haney wanted to step up in weight to Junior Welterweight, then Bob Arum can't do anything about it anymore. Yes Shakur wanted to fight but the burden is now on Haney or at least he has the total control of the situation. That is the only fight that matters now at 135 for Haney, Shakur or Tank Davis, and maybe that is the reason why he didn't sign to Top Rank, because only Shakur will be the guarantee fight for him. After that there's none, and the Junior Welterweight has only Josh Taylor and Teo Lopez for Top Rank. So maybe Haney will go up in weight and chase other champions that has been in the control of PBC or Al Haymon.

While waiting for Shakur or Davis, why can't Haney give Loma a rematch, after all this is still a money fight for him and give the fans what thay wanted, for him to beat Loma fair and square. Avoiding the latter will only give the fans the doubt that he is afraid of Loma. For me Loma is the beatable of the three (Loma, Shakur and Davis) so his team might consider a rematch then fight Shakur if he wins, the last for this division would be a mega fight with Davis, if he does that then boxing hard core fans will give him the respect that he is longing for.
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But if Haney wanted to step up in weight to Junior Welterweight, then Bob Arum can't do anything about it anymore. Yes Shakur wanted to fight but the burden is now on Haney or at least he has the total control of the situation. That is the only fight that matters now at 135 for Haney, Shakur or Tank Davis, and maybe that is the reason why he didn't sign to Top Rank, because only Shakur will be the guarantee fight for him. After that there's none, and the Junior Welterweight has only Josh Taylor and Teo Lopez for Top Rank. So maybe Haney will go up in weight and chase other champions that has been in the control of PBC or Al Haymon.

While waiting for Shakur or Davis, why can't Haney give Loma a rematch, after all this is still a money fight for him and give the fans what thay wanted, for him to beat Loma fair and square. Avoiding the latter will only give the fans the doubt that he is afraid of Loma. For me Loma is the beatable of the three (Loma, Shakur and Davis) so his team might consider a rematch then fight Shakur if he wins, the last for this division would be a mega fight with Davis, if he does that then boxing hard core fans will give him the respect that he is longing for.
It might be that Haney is not willing to get Loma the rematch, perhaps it was the obvious, maybe at the back of the minds of Haney's they've lost the fight so no rematch for them as they might really lost in the second fight. And I think this is the same mentality as of Lopez, doesn't want to give Loma a rematch as Loma is not 100% during that fight.

But it was a disaster for him as he lost the belt to Kambosos. Anyhow, Haney might be just taking his time, to go up in weight or just Shakur or Davis, whichever can offer him more money as he is the champion.

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