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May 17, 2023, 11:09:43 PM
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Something happened in my locality and I just wonder if that's how we also behave in the online space.

So, they're always a group of rougues in my country, they're often sited in the market place where there's a reasonable population, what's their work???

The have things in a martch box like stones and sticks, they'll ask you to pick the one out of it that has something, depending on what the want....

At first, when you pick, they'll let you win so as to drag your attention, then subsequent wins, you'll be at the losing side and the make sure the drain your pockets entirely.

So, just last week, this lady fell a victim and she was shouting and crying, the had obviously emptied her pocket and even gotten her phone from her in the process of the gambling.

My thoughts, is this how we often feel when we lose out on a bet??
Do you wish the site can refund your money??

Gambling should be your choice, you shouldn't let anyone compel or persuade you into it.

Yeah, I do agree with you. I mean everyone with a sane mind would agree that gambling is a choice and a form of entertainment. People shouldn't be gambling to get rich quick. What happened to the lady is sad. But she knew what she was doing. I guess a lesson learned for her. But I don't think they were offering her gambling service. More like they were scamming her. Letting her win and then making her lose sounds more like a scam.

Casino's aren't here to refund money. Once a bet is placed, it is final. If casinos started to refund money, they would go out of business very soon.

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May 17, 2023, 11:16:00 PM
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Something happened in my locality and I just wonder if that's how we also behave in the online space.

So, they're always a group of rougues in my country, they're often sited in the market place where there's a reasonable population, what's their work???

The have things in a martch box like stones and sticks, they'll ask you to pick the one out of it that has something, depending on what the want....

At first, when you pick, they'll let you win so as to drag your attention, then subsequent wins, you'll be at the losing side and the make sure the drain your pockets entirely.

So, just last week, this lady fell a victim and she was shouting and crying, the had obviously emptied her pocket and even gotten her phone from her in the process of the gambling.

My thoughts, is this how we often feel when we lose out on a bet??
Do you wish the site can refund your money??

Gambling should be your choice, you shouldn't let anyone compel or persuade you into it.

Yeah, I do agree with you. I mean everyone with a sane mind would agree that gambling is a choice and a form of entertainment. People shouldn't be gambling to get rich quick. What happened to the lady is sad. But she knew what she was doing. I guess a lesson learned for her. But I don't think they were offering her gambling service. More like they were scamming her. Letting her win and then making her lose sounds more like a scam.

Casino's aren't here to refund money. Once a bet is placed, it is final. If casinos started to refund money, they would go out of business very soon.
Absolutely correct about the casinos aren't here to refund money comment, every one gambles consciously, and without being forced, it is indeed a decision we all make, with understanding that money lost is lost for good and will never be given back to us, and even with this knowledge, we still gamble, and those better understanding of what gambling truly means, do it with joy always no matter the loss..

But then, like in the case of the woman, like I said in my earlier comment, that was not gambling, those were scammers and she unfortunately fell into their trap, I never would see such as gambling cus its not.

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May 17, 2023, 11:22:25 PM
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Something happened in my locality and I just wonder if that's how we also behave in the online space.

So, they're always a group of rougues in my country, they're often sited in the market place where there's a reasonable population, what's their work???

The have things in a martch box like stones and sticks, they'll ask you to pick the one out of it that has something, depending on what the want....

At first, when you pick, they'll let you win so as to drag your attention, then subsequent wins, you'll be at the losing side and the make sure the drain your pockets entirely.

So, just last week, this lady fell a victim and she was shouting and crying, the had obviously emptied her pocket and even gotten her phone from her in the process of the gambling.

My thoughts, is this how we often feel when we lose out on a bet??
Do you wish the site can refund your money??

Gambling should be your choice, you shouldn't let anyone compel or persuade you into it.

Yeah, I do agree with you. I mean everyone with a sane mind would agree that gambling is a choice and a form of entertainment. People shouldn't be gambling to get rich quick. What happened to the lady is sad. But she knew what she was doing. I guess a lesson learned for her. But I don't think they were offering her gambling service. More like they were scamming her. Letting her win and then making her lose sounds more like a scam.

Casino's aren't here to refund money. Once a bet is placed, it is final. If casinos started to refund money, they would go out of business very soon.
Absolutely correct about the casinos aren't here to refund money comment, every one gambles consciously, and without being forced, it is indeed a decision we all make, with understanding that money lost is lost for good and will never be given back to us, and even with this knowledge, we still gamble, and those better understanding of what gambling truly means, do it with joy always no matter the loss..

But then, like in the case of the woman, like I said in my earlier comment, that was not gambling, those were scammers and she unfortunately fell into their trap, I never would see such as gambling cus its not.
It is really that a wrong to have that kind of assumption that on whatever the amount you had gambled would really be taken it back because thats not how gambling business do works because we know that business
do run to make revenue or income into its owners and its true that you arent been forced to play which means that on whatever things you've been dealing with as long you do make out some bets on using up real money which simply is a gamble. Once you do lost, then its lost completely and dont hope for some getting those funds back and on the time you do win then for sure you wont really be having no complaints.  Cheesy
Basing up on the situation stated on OP which this is clearly some modus or really that unfair way of betting on which making yourself believe that you could win and betting everything you do have and ending up
on losing will really be putting you into a situation where you would be ending up on crying and thinking up hardly on what happened. Gambling is for fun and not something that could
make yourself rich because this kind of mindset and belief do really pushes up more and being that desperate.

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May 18, 2023, 02:17:34 AM
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One thing they should know that gambling is just like the normal game everyone plays. We should be able to know that in every game played, there must be a winner and there must be a loser. So when playing any game of your choice, you must be prepared for the inevitable to Happen; it is either you win it you loss that is the ideology when gambling and also it should not be a thing of bed of roses for gamblers.

The inevitable is the reasons why you are asked to gamble responsibly and gamble with what you can afford to lose so that you do not get into any  emotional trauma while gambling as the case maybe...
Gambling taken to an extreme is considered addiction, and it should be thoroughly examined and appropriate solutions should be sought because the consequences are debts or loss of assets. Gambling is a choice; it either brings you or takes you away, depending on the strategy you take. Most people have been victimized by gambling, yet it has also helped some people become financially stable. Every negative consequence that gambling shows has a corresponding beneficial result; we should always wager with what we can afford to lose, and also follow our stable motives other than seeking revenge, which will end up in a ravaged state. 

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May 18, 2023, 03:02:06 AM
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There is no stage of gamebilling similar to what happened to your locality with some people and a woman at the end. They usually trick the woman and rob or steal her money and mobile phone in a fancy way. No one has ever been a victim of such fraud in gambling and the Gambling Authority will never support such fraudulent activities.
I have been involved with online casinos and gambling sites for a long time but I have never been in such a situation and never had a refund incident in my life. However, there are occasional rumors of minor scams in casinos and gambling sites, but these are usually caused by user error. In this case, I could not see any mistake on the part of the Casino and Gambling Authority.

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May 18, 2023, 04:32:55 AM
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So, just last week, this lady fell a victim and she was shouting and crying, the had obviously emptied her pocket and even gotten her phone from her in the process of the gambling.

My thoughts, is this how we often feel when we lose out on a bet??
Do you wish the site can refund your money??

Gambling should be your choice, you shouldn't let anyone compel or persuade you into it.


Let me get this straight, the woman spent what she brought to bet, right?
Gambling is a choice, losing is not a choice, but letting the things you carry in the traditional gambling arena as a bet is a choice, on the other hand you seem to have no choice because you keep chasing losses.
Gambling is not only a choice, but also preparation and self-control for every bad possibility. What's more, you go to a physical casino where the atmosphere is set to take you to an uncontrollable emotional level. Illegal gambling places are indeed far from standard, so you won't realize if the dealer uses sneaky methods.

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May 18, 2023, 05:17:26 AM
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Absolutely correct about the casinos aren't here to refund money comment, every one gambles consciously, and without being forced, it is indeed a decision we all make, with understanding that money lost is lost for good and will never be given back to us, and even with this knowledge, we still gamble, and those better understanding of what gambling truly means, do it with joy always no matter the loss..

But then, like in the case of the woman, like I said in my earlier comment, that was not gambling, those were scammers and she unfortunately fell into their trap, I never would see such as gambling cus its not.
The casino is not a place for charity so whatever the gambler loses when betting will never be returned by the casino if possible only a Rakeback or other bonus but not returning the lost money.
There are no gamblers who are not aware of their decision to bet because betting is an activity that is really thought through so it is clear that whatever is done with all the risk the gambler accepts it but it is very strange when they get a win they regret and complain.

Whether it's secamer or pure defeat, I can't really say because what the OP conveyed is just a story without any more definite clarity.
But it could also be because of the emergence of an emotion that made the woman chase victory until she gave everything she had to bet but only suffered defeat.

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May 18, 2023, 05:54:50 AM
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So, just last week, this lady fell a victim and she was shouting and crying, the had obviously emptied her pocket and even gotten her phone from her in the process of the gambling.

My thoughts, is this how we often feel when we lose out on a bet??
Do you wish the site can refund your money??

Gambling should be your choice, you shouldn't let anyone compel or persuade you into it.


Let me get this straight, the woman spent what she brought to bet, right?
Gambling is a choice, losing is not a choice, but letting the things you carry in the traditional gambling arena as a bet is a choice, on the other hand you seem to have no choice because you keep chasing losses.
Gambling is not only a choice but also preparation and self-control for every bad possibility. What's more, you go to a physical casino where the atmosphere is set to take you to an uncontrollable emotional level. Illegal gambling places are indeed far from standard, so you won't realize if the dealer uses sneaky methods.
The fact is that it is not about gambling and losing or chasing losses is about the manipulation and other shady act of these rugs they are specialized in other criminal activities aside from just local gambling sometimes they empty the player's pocket through the pickpocket's mechanism in the sense that,  while the crowd is gathered and there is high population congestion in the environment where the games are played,  the organizers will employ the service of other criminals to pict things from other pocket and bags.

The best practice is to avoid such places in totality since there are already known scams,  I always look away from them anytime I come across such gatherings and street games no matter the form of entertainment their carry because that is the method they used to attract their victims.
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May 18, 2023, 06:10:16 AM
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At first, when you pick, they'll let you win so as to drag your attention, then subsequent wins, you'll be at the losing side and the make sure the drain your pockets entirely.
Then this is obviously a scam. Anyone who gambles in this type of game is probably ignorant and will likely regret it in the end. Sometimes we need to control our urges, as scammers are skilled at attracting unsuspecting individuals, particularly those who may lack knowledge or understanding.

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My thoughts, is this how we often feel when we lose out on a bet??
I don't feel good but I'll still be able to recover immediately because I made to gamble what I can only afford to lose.

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Do you wish the site can refund your money??
I'm not stupid to expect that, if I lose money then that's their money. refund only happens when there is a mistake.

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May 18, 2023, 06:11:58 AM
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Something happened in my locality and I just wonder if that's how we also behave in the online space.

So, they're always a group of rougues in my country, they're often sited in the market place where there's a reasonable population, what's their work???

The have things in a martch box like stones and sticks, they'll ask you to pick the one out of it that has something, depending on what the want....

At first, when you pick, they'll let you win so as to drag your attention, then subsequent wins, you'll be at the losing side and the make sure the drain your pockets entirely.

So, just last week, this lady fell a victim and she was shouting and crying, the had obviously emptied her pocket and even gotten her phone from her in the process of the gambling.

My thoughts, is this how we often feel when we lose out on a bet??
Do you wish the site can refund your money??

Gambling should be your choice, you shouldn't let anyone compel or persuade you into it.

This is not a gambling but a fraud, the games these people are playing are invented by them and they are scamming people with tricks, this isn't how a gambling platform works, and this is differ from a gambling platform or casino.

Losses are general something on any casino but you need to be prepared, since loss is something you can't escape from you need to always go into gambling with money you are ready to lose, most games on casinos are pure luck games and the skill requires games are very limited, some online casinos don't even have them.

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May 18, 2023, 06:43:48 AM
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So, just last week, this lady fell a victim and she was shouting and crying, the had obviously emptied her pocket and even gotten her phone from her in the process of the gambling.

My thoughts, is this how we often feel when we lose out on a bet??
Do you wish the site can refund your money??

Gambling should be your choice, you shouldn't let anyone compel or persuade you into it.


Let me get this straight, the woman spent what she brought to bet, right?
Gambling is a choice, losing is not a choice, but letting the things you carry in the traditional gambling arena as a bet is a choice, on the other hand you seem to have no choice because you keep chasing losses.
Gambling is not only a choice, but also preparation and self-control for every bad possibility. What's more, you go to a physical casino where the atmosphere is set to take you to an uncontrollable emotional level. Illegal gambling places are indeed far from standard, so you won't realize if the dealer uses sneaky methods.

I agree with self control and preparations gambling is more on how you deal not only with your winnings but more with your losses, if you know how to play with your emotions and you fully understand how to utilize your set of limitations that's the key to prevent any harm as you can still dominate yourself.

There are many factors that will cause un-control situations. It's your own decision making that matters and you should keep your self-control.

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May 18, 2023, 07:18:06 AM
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Something happened in my locality and I just wonder if that's how we also behave in the online space.

So, they're always a group of rougues in my country, they're often sited in the market place where there's a reasonable population, what's their work???

The have things in a martch box like stones and sticks, they'll ask you to pick the one out of it that has something, depending on what the want....

At first, when you pick, they'll let you win so as to drag your attention, then subsequent wins, you'll be at the losing side and the make sure the drain your pockets entirely.

So, just last week, this lady fell a victim and she was shouting and crying, the had obviously emptied her pocket and even gotten her phone from her in the process of the gambling.

My thoughts, is this how we often feel when we lose out on a bet??
Do you wish the site can refund your money??

Gambling should be your choice, you shouldn't let anyone compel or persuade you into it.

this is not different to the "Chess Gang" in our university back in the days , where they will give a puzzle move that you will surely see how to mate the King , but that will only happen once , because the next coming puzzle will be very difficult for you to win though when you look at it , seems to be easy but not when you made your move.
What I was telling here is that strategy of each scammers are the same and that is to lure you with first win ,and the riskiest part here is that If you try to go on your way after winning the first game? the gang will harass you that you cannot go away with that said winning.
but this scammers have gone long now because they are being burned years ago.
the lesson here is never engage in any gambling game on the street , instead try to go in proper gambling place or much better to play online in of course legit and trusted site for your safeties and better result of gambling.









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May 18, 2023, 07:31:10 AM
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So, just last week, this lady fell a victim and she was shouting and crying, the had obviously emptied her pocket and even gotten her phone from her in the process of the gambling.

My thoughts, is this how we often feel when we lose out on a bet??
Do you wish the site can refund your money??

Gambling should be your choice, you shouldn't let anyone compel or persuade you into it.


Let me get this straight, the woman spent what she brought to bet, right?
Gambling is a choice, losing is not a choice, but letting the things you carry in the traditional gambling arena as a bet is a choice, on the other hand you seem to have no choice because you keep chasing losses.
Gambling is not only a choice, but also preparation and self-control for every bad possibility. What's more, you go to a physical casino where the atmosphere is set to take you to an uncontrollable emotional level. Illegal gambling places are indeed far from standard, so you won't realize if the dealer uses sneaky methods.

I agree with self control and preparations gambling is more on how you deal not only with your winnings but more with your losses, if you know how to play with your emotions and you fully understand how to utilize your set of limitations that's the key to prevent any harm as you can still dominate yourself.

There are many factors that will cause un-control situations. It's your own decision making that matters and you should keep your self-control.
Maintaining self-control is of course very important.  But sometimes it's quite difficult to do.  In addition, people are so different that if one retains self-control even in extreme situations, then the other can freak out simply from an unpleasant word not carefully said to him.  It is all the different mental types and characters of people that determine their further actions.  If a person knows that he can lose self-control in gambling, then it is better to never play at all.  
But it's boring.  And he wants to have fun.

But in any case, whenever you see a crowd of players around one who rearranges glasses with a goblet, then these are definitely scammers and you will definitely be left without money if you decide to play with them.  And then you can be indignant and upset as much as you like.  Nothing will help here.  

True, in developed countries, the police disperse such scammers and there are few of them.  In places where tourists go there, the police follow it.  But of course this doesn't happen in Rio's favelas.   Smiley

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This is not a gambling but a fraud, the games these people are playing are invented by them and they are scamming people with tricks, this isn't how a gambling platform works, and this is differ from a gambling platform or casino.
How you can say betting on shell game isn't gambling? you're stake your money and you're need to choose between 2 or more shells which one have money inside, it's gambling because you're can make money if you pick the correct shell and you will lose your money if you pick a wrong shell.

I don't think there's a trick from this game, you're need to have a good reflect and a good eye to see the move.

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May 18, 2023, 08:07:05 AM
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This is not a gambling but a fraud, the games these people are playing are invented by them and they are scamming people with tricks, this isn't how a gambling platform works, and this is differ from a gambling platform or casino.
How you can say betting on shell game isn't gambling? you're stake your money and you're need to choose between 2 or more shells which one have money inside, it's gambling because you're can make money if you pick the correct shell and you will lose your money if you pick a wrong shell.

I don't think there's a trick from this game, you're need to have a good reflect and a good eye to see the move.
It is true that it remains a form of gambling because it is risking money and it still depends on luck because it is difficult to choose 2 shells that we think are right but when opened there is nothing inside.
I slightly disagree if they don't use tricks, of course they still use tricks to be able to beat people who come to bring money for them.
So this is actually a little spur on fraud because it uses tricks to win.

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May 18, 2023, 09:23:26 AM
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It's painful when you lose money that you aren't ready to lose, that's the point, I don't use less than 30$ for gambling and this money is from my extra income and gambling isn't something I do time to time, its once or twice in a week, that's if the game is addicting on the fun part, so I am not a chaser of life changing money from online gambling, never.

Games like Slots are out of anyone's control, don't even expect any good result playing such games, which is why sports are probably the most addicting game for gamblers, the fun and excitement is always there and the winning depends on the performance of players, if the game is soccer or basketball, out of many others.

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May 18, 2023, 09:28:56 AM
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At first, when you pick, they'll let you win so as to drag your attention, then subsequent wins, you'll be at the losing side and the make sure the drain your pockets entirely.
Then this is obviously a scam. Anyone who gambles in this type of game is probably ignorant and will likely regret it in the end. Sometimes we need to control our urges, as scammers are skilled at attracting unsuspecting individuals, particularly those who may lack knowledge or understanding.

This is very common in some online virtual gambling games and many of the physical street gambling or the casino house gambling as well, what they do is a trick unknown to a gambler who is not used to them or how they operates, ones you join then in such gambling, they must ensure they emptied your pocket to the last penny before you leave there.

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My thoughts, is this how we often feel when we lose out on a bet??
I don't feel good but I'll still be able to recover immediately because I made to gamble what I can only afford to lose.

No body gambles and loose to feel happy but we get the encouragement through the fun we have to always continue since our major target wasn't to win at all cost except those that solely depends on their gambling winnings as a survival means.


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Do you wish the site can refund your money??
I'm not stupid to expect that, if I lose money then that's their money. refund only happens when there is a mistake.

Exactly, once you have opted in for gambling and place the bet, it's an irreversible action, either you win or loose, the bet can't be cancelled, same way if you win they can't hold your money than to give you, if you loose as well, the stake is gone, that's why you shouldn't gamble with the money which does not belong to you.



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May 18, 2023, 10:13:24 AM
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It's painful when you lose money that you aren't ready to lose, that's the point, I don't use less than 30$ for gambling and this money is from my extra income and gambling isn't something I do time to time, its once or twice in a week, that's if the game is addicting on the fun part, so I am not a chaser of life changing money from online gambling, never.

Games like Slots are out of anyone's control, don't even expect any good result playing such games, which is why sports are probably the most addicting game for gamblers, the fun and excitement is always there and the winning depends on the performance of players, if the game is soccer or basketball, out of many others.
It will hurt if we lose more money than we can afford because it has exceeded the limit we previously set if we really have a limit. But the average gambler who plays gambling can spend more money than they can imagine so they are not ready to see the loss.

And as we know, playing slot games can make us forget because it's so fun to play. And this is what gets them addicted because of the fun of getting a Scatter or something else that can make them want to keep playing.

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May 18, 2023, 10:31:53 AM
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This are two contrasting situations. Your post is talking about a scamming scheme where people are lured into betting on a rigged game, they could do this by having one of the scammers pretend to be a player and win on their bets, just enough to make it believable, anyone who falls victim tries their luck and wins a little amount, not a serious loss for the scammers, but just enough to keep them playing, if they keep playing they start taking their money gradually till the person tires out or runs out of cash.

Online gambling on reputable websites is different from this. The house always wants to win but has to be provably fair, to not scam players. There exist some scam gambling websites, so players should always verify before depositing into any platform.
Yeah, I've witnessed this on multiple occasions where such scammers actually have some partners who would pretend to also be players or customers if case they are selling something, and they show like the other person is winning and then the guy goes away with the money he won through the game, the spectators start thinking that it is actually legit.

They are very good at what they do, they are persuasive and very clever in getting you totally engaged so that you don't realize that you are getting scammed, and you only realize it when they've done their work already.

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Yeah, I've witnessed this on multiple occasions where such scammers actually have some partners who would pretend to also be players or customers if case they are selling something, and they show like the other person is winning and then the guy goes away with the money he won through the game, the spectators start thinking that it is actually legit.

They are very good at what they do, they are persuasive and very clever in getting you totally engaged so that you don't realize that you are getting scammed, and you only realize it when they've done their work already.

We are talking about the difference between gambling via internet or doing it in the real world, and the OP exposed a case where the victim was forced to play a biased or unfair play. We have been saying that the mentioned practice is typical and we have seen it in movies or even some in real life, but we are not linking this to online casinos.

But although I don't know concrete cases, something similar could hypothetically be done online, at a greater scale (not case by case but in a shotgun fashion). I'm thinking on pseudo-influencers who buy an old account to give a false sensation of experience and cheat on viewers so they fall in prefigured trick. For example, they could try to convince you to exploit some hypothetical weak point and share the profits, to let you eventually know that the one exploited were you and not any casino or third party.

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