Using ToS against users normal?

[_act_]

That casino is not normal because usually if you are existing users they will send it to you via email the new ToS, or when you log back in to the casino a new ToS will be displayed and you will need to again agree to it. I am not sure what casino this is, but it is better to stay away from it. Also, also it is great to have a copy of the ToS every time you venture to another casino so that you have proof before and have a strong case with your problem.

Some people do overlook ToS, thinking they got no problem with it. What I have noticed on the websites that I have used and that I am using is that if they make amendments to their terms and conditions, they will notify users, and in a way they will put the link that you can click on that will direct the user to the terms and conditions which has been updated. It is possible that some people will not read it or do not noticed the email sent.

[summonerrk]

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I think it's bad if the services notify about changes in the user agreement only via email. It is necessary that they are not limited to this and a window appears when visiting the site. With an offer to accept or reject it. Because many emails are sent to spam, and so you can miss the key points of changes on the part of the gambling service.
And even if they do not get into spam, you can postpone such letters for later, and not remember about it.

[Wiwo]

Some people do overlook ToS, thinking they got no problem with it. What I have noticed on the websites that I have used and that I am using is that if they make amendments to their terms and conditions, they will notify users, and in a way they will put the link that you can click on that will direct the user to the terms and conditions which has been updated. It is possible that some people will not read it or do not notice the email sent.

Yeah, a lot of the issues that have been raised lately border around the negligence of the terms and conditions and the willingness of the player to take the time to read through the terms of service of most casinos, but then one needs to take into account the fact that some details need to be properly studied and understood so that the player can properly apply such terms to themselves while their use the casino.

[Peanutswar]

It's the responsibility of the casino to make sure their users are aware of the current updates in their terms and conditions, such as their Faqs or even in their announcement board, to make sure there's no possible conflict in the future; we know that the casino taking a step forward only with the players for one time checking of the ToS so the player ignores now how does it take and just of as is. For the player seems they still need to have responsible, too, if there's a chance to make sure there's an awareness about the updates.

In that case at the end once you have the proper proof you can prevent those casino wins the case. This thing screenshot is a must.

[Negotiation]

Many users find it normal to use the ToS, but before joining the casino, the sites should be thoroughly analyzed. Casinos can help players beat the living crap out of house edge but only if used well. Unfortunately, most players don't read the terms and conditions to learn the basic rules that guide these rewards. So don't be like them and follow the right strategies to enjoy a successful campaign before you place a bet, it is important to take a look at the odds. If the conditions are advanced later the risk will be less and everything can be mastered properly.

[macson]

Changing of terms and conditions without notifying the users or gamblers is normal with online gambling websites? Then when you did something wrong or about to withdraw your money they will tell you that you don't read their terms and conditions, and you start arguing with them until you decide to read the ToS again and you find out that it's different.

Some gambling websites consist of wicked owners that willingly plan to defraud their users using the ToS against them, or is this normal? Have such happened to anyone on this forum before?

changing the TOS is an act of fraud.  fortunately, bad events such as manipulation by gambling sites on their TOS have never happened to me, so far i have been very careful in choosing the gambling site that i will use, i only play on gambling sites that have a good reputation and only have a few complaints.  underestimating the TOS will only make a gambler lose money, remain critical and careful about the gambling sites that you will play or are currently playing. 

i always avoid playing on new gambling sites that are only trying to attract more of their customers from the bonuses or events they offer because usually most of them will only end up cheating customers.

[m2017]

Changing of terms and conditions without notifying the users or gamblers is normal with online gambling websites? Then when you did something wrong or about to withdraw your money they will tell you that you don't read their terms and conditions, and you start arguing with them until you decide to read the ToS again and you find out that it's different.

Some gambling websites consist of wicked owners that willingly plan to defraud their users using the ToS against them, or is this normal? Have such happened to anyone on this forum before?

Changing terms and conditions without notifying customers is commonplace in many areas, not only in gambling. It is impossible to call this the norm and I think it is completely wrong. If there is an agreement between the online gambling website and the player, then must adhere to this agreement. I believe that if the website changes the rules unilaterally, then the player has the right to either agree to the new conditions or not. But it almost always happens that online casinos don't give the right to choose and impose conditions without the consent of the player.

What can be done here? Just stop using the services of unscrupulous online gambling websites and look for an alternative.

Personally, nothing like this happened to me with gambling websites due to my little experience in this area, but I received such a surprise from the Internet provider, that's for sure.

There are always other options. If you don't like something, you can always find another service provider, be it an Internet service provider or an online casino.

[piebeyb]

changing the TOS is an act of fraud.  fortunately, bad events such as manipulation by gambling sites on their TOS have never happened to me, so far i have been very careful in choosing the gambling site that i will use, i only play on gambling sites that have a good reputation and only have a few complaints.  underestimating the TOS will only make a gambler lose money, remain critical and careful about the gambling sites that you will play or are currently playing. 

i always avoid playing on new gambling sites that are only trying to attract more of their customers from the bonuses or events they offer because usually most of them will only end up cheating customers.

Big gambling platform sites will not do that TOS changes, they know the rules maybe because they also have a license so you will be notified every time there is a change by the TOS, I have played on a big gambling platform and there are new terms that I have to agree to, I get notifications in the account me to agree to that.

If you play in a small casino or one that is still relatively new, it will be easy for them to make rules as they like so without the users knowing they change the TOS and then steal money from the user as if the user is wrong in this case, I think it's important to do research before playing gambling because big and reputable gambling platform sites are more recommended and also before playing always read their TOS.

[Webetcoins]

Changing of terms and conditions without notifying the users or gamblers is normal with online gambling websites? Then when you did something wrong or about to withdraw your money they will tell you that you don't read their terms and conditions, and you start arguing with them until you decide to read the ToS again and you find out that it's different.

Some gambling websites consist of wicked owners that willingly plan to defraud their users using the ToS against them, or is this normal? Have such happened to anyone on this forum before?

That's not a casino, that's a scam. Legitimate casinos would notify users of the changes in their ToS possibly weeks, maybe even months before they implement them. It's just something natural. If a casino didn't do so and updated them without notifying their users, I'd just leave since they've fully committed to scamming at least one person with that change.

Afaik there has been some people who were victims, I recall some of them provided proofs while others claimed to be victims but sadly no proof was shown. It is hard though since in the first place,  who takes a copy of the ToS of a casino? I certainly don't.

No it's not automatically called as a scam but this act is only normal. A company can truly change their terms as much as they can even without notifying their users but some casinos already give a warning about it so other users are also aware of that possibility but there might be some casinos who don't do that. This why some users are angry about them in case they can get affected by the change.

The solution is just stop playing there and make it a habit to check their terms next time to see if they have a rule about changing terms automatically. We don't usually take a copy of the TOS because it's a wall of text but maybe we will now do it, only to have an evidence in case the issue occurred later on.

[Fivestar4everMVP]

Many users find it normal to use the ToS, but before joining the casino, the sites should be thoroughly analyzed. Casinos can help players beat the living crap out of house edge but only if used well. Unfortunately, most players don't read the terms and conditions to learn the basic rules that guide these rewards. So don't be like them and follow the right strategies to enjoy a successful campaign before you place a bet, it is important to take a look at the odds. If the conditions are advanced later the risk will be less and everything can be mastered properly.

You are sure right,  please don't ask me how arrived at this estimation but, to be honest, over 90 percent of gambler and general internet users don't read terms of service of what ever platform they are joining, this is not something peculiar to gambling casino alone , and like a proverb say that people perish because they lack knowledge, some casinos, most especially the not so genuine ones will continue to find ways of manipulating their terms of service suit themselves and use against the players..
If only we can learn to make out some time to read and understand the terms of service  before engaging with the casino, I personally believe that most of the complaining about casinos here and there will reduce, because gamblers will easily know which casino to avoid and which to play on.

[danadc]

Changing of terms and conditions without notifying the users or gamblers is normal with online gambling websites? Then when you did something wrong or about to withdraw your money they will tell you that you don't read their terms and conditions, and you start arguing with them until you decide to read the ToS again and you find out that it's different.

Some gambling websites consist of wicked owners that willingly plan to defraud their users using the ToS against them, or is this normal? Have such happened to anyone on this forum before?

changing the TOS is an act of fraud.  fortunately, bad events such as manipulation by gambling sites on their TOS have never happened to me, so far i have been very careful in choosing the gambling site that i will use, i only play on gambling sites that have a good reputation and only have a few complaints.  underestimating the TOS will only make a gambler lose money, remain critical and careful about the gambling sites that you will play or are currently playing. 

i always avoid playing on new gambling sites that are only trying to attract more of their customers from the bonuses or events they offer because usually most of them will only end up cheating customers.

I did not know that changing the TOS was so bad, I thought that since they were a company they did not need to notify those things, I see it as something very much for the company without the need for the approval of any of the clients, of course if it is so I do not see it why it is approved, if things are done differently, for example that they change them and that they are going to harm the game directly with the players if it would be a violation, for example, that at the moment they withdraw their money they are charged a a much higher fee, that an additional charge is made for each game, in addition to doing things that harm the players with other types of things if it would be something illegal.

[milewilda]

Changing of terms and conditions without notifying the users or gamblers is normal with online gambling websites? Then when you did something wrong or about to withdraw your money they will tell you that you don't read their terms and conditions, and you start arguing with them until you decide to read the ToS again and you find out that it's different.

Some gambling websites consist of wicked owners that willingly plan to defraud their users using the ToS against them, or is this normal? Have such happened to anyone on this forum before?

changing the TOS is an act of fraud.  fortunately, bad events such as manipulation by gambling sites on their TOS have never happened to me, so far i have been very careful in choosing the gambling site that i will use, i only play on gambling sites that have a good reputation and only have a few complaints.  underestimating the TOS will only make a gambler lose money, remain critical and careful about the gambling sites that you will play or are currently playing. 

i always avoid playing on new gambling sites that are only trying to attract more of their customers from the bonuses or events they offer because usually most of them will only end up cheating customers.

I did not know that changing the TOS was so bad, I thought that since they were a company they did not need to notify those things, I see it as something very much for the company without the need for the approval of any of the clients, of course if it is so I do not see it why it is approved, if things are done differently, for example that they change them and that they are going to harm the game directly with the players if it would be a violation, for example, that at the moment they withdraw their money they are charged a a much higher fee, that an additional charge is made for each game, in addition to doing things that harm the players with other types of things if it would be something illegal.

For some minimal changes which it wouldnt really be that significant or could affect out their users then it would really be just that fine that they wouldnt really be making out those announcement but if this is something which a huge alteration then it is really just that fair and right for them to tell about their users or the public about such change rather than on unfairly be making up some alterations just because
they are really not tending on paying up someone or having those who do hit up big. This is actually a scammy behavior or something do talks about a site which cant really be trusted.
If there are moments which things turns out to be proven out that they are really have changed their TOS for such manner or simply the public wasnt aware then its better to leave out this platform and look for another one. You cant really ensure out the fairness of this platform plus there are lots of good choices in the market which you could choose from.

[PX-Z]

Changing of terms and conditions without notifying the users or gamblers is normal with online gambling websites? Then when you did something wrong or about to withdraw your money they will tell you that you don't read their terms and conditions, and you start arguing with them until you decide to read the ToS again and you find out that it's different.

Its a common law to notify its users whenever there's a chance of terms, because its like a contract between the users and business provider. If they never notify its users then the changes of the term cannot be execute or followed, and wont take effect.
Its users can file a case against the service whenever users are violated because of the changed terms so feel free to execute your rights.

[xSkylarx]

That casino is not normal because usually if you are existing users they will send it to you via email the new ToS, or when you log back in to the casino a new ToS will be displayed and you will need to again agree to it. I am not sure what casino this is, but it is better to stay away from it. Also, also it is great to have a copy of the ToS every time you venture to another casino so that you have proof before and have a strong case with your problem.

Some people do overlook ToS, thinking they got no problem with it. What I have noticed on the websites that I have used and that I am using is that if they make amendments to their terms and conditions, they will notify users, and in a way they will put the link that you can click on that will direct the user to the terms and conditions which has been updated. It is possible that some people will not read it or do not noticed the email sent.

That is really the problem of the gambler , but OP I think he reads it that is why he noticed it but again it is very fishy to the casino that it ain't telling the gamblers that they changed their ToS and also if there are amendments it means that the gamblers needed to agree again ,so they should read it whats new because it became voided the ToS, so still its either the gamblers fault or the casino one but with kind of issues it is better to stay away if you feel cheated in this kind of instances as for sure you wont win a dispute between them

[ultrloa]

That casino is not normal because usually if you are existing users they will send it to you via email the new ToS, or when you log back in to the casino a new ToS will be displayed and you will need to again agree to it. I am not sure what casino this is, but it is better to stay away from it. Also, also it is great to have a copy of the ToS every time you venture to another casino so that you have proof before and have a strong case with your problem.

Some people do overlook ToS, thinking they got no problem with it. What I have noticed on the websites that I have used and that I am using is that if they make amendments to their terms and conditions, they will notify users, and in a way they will put the link that you can click on that will direct the user to the terms and conditions which has been updated. It is possible that some people will not read it or do not noticed the email sent.

That is really the problem of the gambler , but OP I think he reads it that is why he noticed it but again it is very fishy to the casino that it ain't telling the gamblers that they changed their ToS and also if there are amendments it means that the gamblers needed to agree again ,so they should read it whats new because it became voided the ToS, so still its either the gamblers fault or the casino one but with kind of issues it is better to stay away if you feel cheated in this kind of instances as for sure you wont win a dispute between them

Especially when there's a big claims of prizes then suddenly they change the TOS to avoid or declared the winner as a cheater then for that they can be determine as scam immediately since they done that on purpose. For minimal situation will its still tolerable but at least they explain to their community when someone ask so that questions on mind by those people who doubt will be clear and people can get an answer regarding on the updates they've done.

[Hypnosis00]

Changing of terms and conditions without notifying the users or gamblers is normal with online gambling websites? Then when you did something wrong or about to withdraw your money they will tell you that you don't read their terms and conditions, and you start arguing with them until you decide to read the ToS again and you find out that it's different.

Some gambling websites consist of wicked owners that willingly plan to defraud their users using the ToS against them, or is this normal? Have such happened to anyone on this forum before?

They are not notifying users, but those Terms of Service (TOS) should apply to every gambler, not just certain individuals, in order to prevent them from being restricted from withdrawing money. If they are a legitimate gambling site, they would not create a TOS that is illegal. Therefore, any changes to the TOS should be considered legal. If we encounter issues due to the TOS, it is highly likely that what we are doing is not legal or ethical.

[ethereumhunter]

Changing of terms and conditions without notifying the users or gamblers is normal with online gambling websites? Then when you did something wrong or about to withdraw your money they will tell you that you don't read their terms and conditions, and you start arguing with them until you decide to read the ToS again and you find out that it's different.

Its a common law to notify its users whenever there's a chance of terms, because its like a contract between the users and business provider. If they never notify its users then the changes of the term cannot be execute or followed, and wont take effect.
Its users can file a case against the service whenever users are violated because of the changed terms so feel free to execute your rights.

But when the casino doesn't notify about changes in the rules and many users complain, the casino usually ignores it. It might even be possible to block or close a gambling account for someone complaining about a change in the rules. And maybe it's already happened in the casinos out there but no one has managed to get what they should. If this happens to us, we should ask the casino why they didn't inform their users. It's a form of disguised fraud so users feel the casino has deceived them. But let's hope that doesn't happen to the casinos in this forum because it can lose our trust in the casino.

[LDL]

Changing of terms and conditions without notifying the users or gamblers is normal with online gambling websites? Then when you did something wrong or about to withdraw your money they will tell you that you don't read their terms and conditions, and you start arguing with them until you decide to read the ToS again and you find out that it's different.

Some gambling websites consist of wicked owners that willingly plan to defraud their users using the ToS against them, or is this normal? Have such happened to anyone on this forum before?

In case of change of rules and regulations in casino or gambling sites, users should be notified in advance by notification or pin message. I faced into a similar condition a long time ago where I faced quite a lot of trouble while withdrawing. They changed withdrawal terms and conditions but did not give any notification so I resolved the issue by contacting live support. Since then I do not take any action without understanding the terms and conditions of any gambling or casino site.

[pawanjain]

Changing of terms and conditions without notifying the users or gamblers is normal with online gambling websites? Then when you did something wrong or about to withdraw your money they will tell you that you don't read their terms and conditions, and you start arguing with them until you decide to read the ToS again and you find out that it's different.

Some gambling websites consist of wicked owners that willingly plan to defraud their users using the ToS against them, or is this normal? Have such happened to anyone on this forum before?

I haven't heard of any case till date where the terms and conditions were changed without notice to their users and then any user was in trouble because of that.
Whenever there are any changes in any terms or conditions then their users are sent a notice through email of the same.
The email shares the changes or link to the new terms and conditions and this is done so that the users are aware of the new terms.
If any site is not following this approach then the site owners are at fault.

[Lida93]

Changing of terms and conditions without notifying the users or gamblers is normal with online gambling websites? Then when you did something wrong or about to withdraw your money they will tell you that you don't read their terms and conditions, and you start arguing with them until you decide to read the ToS again and you find out that it's different.

It shouldn't be something we consider to be normal cause it's really not normally at all that a gambling site or any site at all would make changes to their ToS and wouldn't see the need to bring such changes to the awareness of their users. Such could be referred to as fraudulent act cause it's deceptive of the user's intelligence.

Only a few gambling sites understands so well the importance of reputation and upholds it while others flagrantly behave as they which in their race to make profit at all cost. No wonder so many only gambling sites are shutting down cause their repute has been trampled on by their unethical ways of doing business that have driven away both old and new users.

Some gambling websites consist of wicked owners that willingly plan to defraud their users using the ToS against them, or is this normal? Have such happened to anyone on this forum before?

I haven't had such case with any of the gambling sites am currently using, but it would be helpful if other gamblers bring to the notice of the public about such sites for the sake of awareness.