Using ToS against users normal?

[KiaKia]

Changing of terms and conditions without notifying the users or gamblers is normal with online gambling websites? Then when you did something wrong or about to withdraw your money they will tell you that you don't read their terms and conditions, and you start arguing with them until you decide to read the ToS again and you find out that it's different.

Some gambling websites consist of wicked owners that willingly plan to defraud their users using the ToS against them, or is this normal? Have such happened to anyone on this forum before?

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[Plaguedeath]

AFAIK many casinos aren't notifying their gamblers when they've updated their terms, but I think a legit casino will notifying their users when a big change happen. Changing the terms against the gambler who's won big amount money isn't nothing new in new casino, they will give an excuse if their casino is still new and it's normal if they might adjust their terms due to development.

[AbuBhakar]

Changing of terms and conditions without notifying the users or gamblers is normal with online gambling websites? Then when you did something wrong or about to withdraw your money they will tell you that you don't read their terms and conditions, and you start arguing with them until you decide to read the ToS again and you find out that it's different.

Some gambling websites consist of wicked owners that willingly plan to defraud their users using the ToS against them, or is this normal? Have such happened to anyone on this forum before?

Using ToS against customer that commit violation is normal but changing the rules just to use in favor for the casino unethical. Do you have any references on the actual event of this kind scenario because this is diabolical just to take advantage on their customer. I know that some casino have a special written rule on their ToS that they can change some rules without notifying customers but changing it right after the case of the user is a not fair despite they have that special rules.

Only scammish mediocre casino do this since a reputable casino will always honor the players profit if this is acquired in fair manner.

Have such happened to anyone on this forum before?

My only known case related to this case was @efialtis issue against Betfury which the casino change the commission percentage without notifying all the user and even include the commission that is acquired before the changes happened. It’s indeed same scenario to your description.

Reference: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5400484.0

[o48o]

Changing of terms and conditions without notifying the users or gamblers is normal with online gambling websites? Then when you did something wrong or about to withdraw your money they will tell you that you don't read their terms and conditions, and you start arguing with them until you decide to read the ToS again and you find out that it's different.

Some gambling websites consist of wicked owners that willingly plan to defraud their users using the ToS against them, or is this normal? Have such happened to anyone on this forum before?

Not normal, that's why accepting TOS is a thing. But are you sure that you didn't just remember the TOS incorrectly? I actually didn't know that people even read those. I skim those and assume that they are basically same everywhere. It's not like they want their users to escape elsewhere with a better TOS

Maybe you can you give me an exact examples since you have memorized parts of those modified TOS:es?

[yahoo62278]

I actually just had to agree to new ToS on stake last time I logged in. Is there a certain casino you are accusing of this? Let's be honest, if you are of legal gambling age, live in a country that's allowed on said website, and can confirm your funds then ToS doesn't bother you.

[Unbunplease]

Rules can change from time to time - and often there is no automatic notification of rule changes. So you should make it a rule of thumb to check once a week to see if there have been any changes to the rules. Usually the rules will state the date of the last change.

[FatFork]

Many online gambling websites have clauses in their terms and conditions that allow them to change the terms without notifying users or gamblers. This can be frustrating for users who may feel like they are being taken advantage of or unfairly treated. However, this is not unique to online gambling websites. Many companies and services have similar clauses in their terms and conditions. Is it legal? The short answer is yes. Most countries have laws that allow companies to change their terms and conditions without notifying users. This is because it is assumed that users will read the terms and conditions at least periodically throughout their use. If users do not agree with the changes made by a company, they can stop using that service and go to another provider. While this may not be the most ideal situation for users, it is still legal. However, there are some countries that have laws that prohibit companies from changing their terms and conditions without notifying users. This means that gambling websites that operate in these countries should not use such a clause.

In my experience, gambling websites usually notify users of changes to their terms and conditions via email or on the website itself. This is a good practice because it allows users to decide whether they want to keep using that service or not. If a user does not agree with these changes, they can simply stop using that service. Any company that cares about its reputation should have such a standard. However, every company is different. Some companies have a bad reputation for not being transparent about their business practices while others have a good reputation for doing the right thing.

[CryptSafe]

Terms and conditions of Service is not permanent, it is subject to constant review and updating. It can be done without the consent and permission of anyone be it gamblers or customers as it is non of their business but as a smart gambler it is nice you constantly check on it to know what is obtainable otherwise you will be taken unawares because they too would want to use it to defend themselves at all odds and cost.

I wish it could be possible for the casino body to look into this particular aspect of casinos activities because this is where they use in holding gamblers down and subjecting them to their own nefarious act which is not good.

[YOSHIE]

Some gambling websites consist of wicked owners that willingly plan to defraud their users using the ToS against them, or is this normal? Have such happened to anyone on this forum before?

If you comply with the ToS that you agreed to from the start in the bet and you play and then win, they change the ToS for various reasons and they violate the original agreement and do not want to pay or hold your withdrawal on the grounds that changing the ToS is a ridiculous action taken by the online casino that you are playing at, it is truly a disservice and fraud. they have bad intentions of not wanting to pay your bet.

They shouldn't give you that ridiculous excuse by reason of changing the ToS on the basis of the rules and betting agreements that have been agreed upon from the start, cases like this are rare and this is the first time I heard of changes to the ToS when a user wins, it's bad if that's what they do. you should sue them for fraud.

[abel1337]

Changing of terms and conditions without notifying the users or gamblers is normal with online gambling websites? Then when you did something wrong or about to withdraw your money they will tell you that you don't read their terms and conditions, and you start arguing with them until you decide to read the ToS again and you find out that it's different.

Some gambling websites consist of wicked owners that willingly plan to defraud their users using the ToS against them, or is this normal? Have such happened to anyone on this forum before?

Terms and condition can change from time to time and casino indicate it in their ToS that they are allowed to change the casino terms any time they want. Things will change if the casino used it against you. Things aren't right if casino won't let you withdraw because of history you have in the past before they implement the new ToS. One example of this is country eligibility, If you did play on a country that recently banned online casino and you of course withdraw your funds because you can't play there anymore. Then suddenly casino barged you with KYC prompt and tell you that you are now illegal to play in their casino because of the country restriction which caused you in forfeiting your money because of a rule that you don't have any control at all. Things are plain wrong that way. It's just an hypothetical example and I hope that no one became a victim on that kind of scenario.

[aioc]

Changing of terms and conditions without notifying the users or gamblers is normal with online gambling websites? Then when you did something wrong or about to withdraw your money they will tell you that you don't read their terms and conditions, and you start arguing with them until you decide to read the ToS again and you find out that it's different.

Some gambling websites consist of wicked owners that willingly plan to defraud their users using the ToS against them, or is this normal? Have such happened to anyone on this forum before?

It's unethical and they have a plan to scam their users, they should notify their users if they have a change of their terms, so the user can adapt to the changes, and make necessary adjustments, so far all the casinos I'm playing notify their users through pop-ups when you log in or through their newsletter if there are changes to their TOS.
Casinos that do not implement TOS notification should be reported to warn other users of these casinos.

[cabron]

 A well known casino will not do this. Reputation is hard to build and easily ruined especially because users these days are always on the look out and take snapshots for evidences.

I have no idea which casino Op is talking about but I guess a crazy casino owner will do it to justify his action to confiscate the coins that user have won.  I remember there was such thread about it and although the casino return the coins initially deposited, the coins that the users have won wasn't. Yup very unethical.

[Apocollapse]

That's why if you have read the whole casino's terms, make sure you're recheck it at least every 3 months to make sure their rules are still fit to you. If you find something suspicious about the new rule, you can ask to the live support and if you can't accept it, you can move to the other casino.

The casino usually will not notify their gamblers, but it doesn't mean they want to scam, notifying their gamblers can lead a spam.

[Lucius]

Changing of terms and conditions without notifying the users or gamblers is normal with online gambling websites?
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Not that it's not normal in online casinos, but it's not normal in anything else, because every player must be aware of their rights and the rules by which they play at all times. Therefore, every serious casino will inform its players if there has been a change, and it is nothing strange if some abuse such changes to their advantage, because not everyone plays a fair game.

However, I think that a much bigger problem is that most players do not read the terms of use, and then complain later because they were uninformed. Just as every online casino wants to protect itself and its business, every player needs to protect himself and his interests, even if that means reading all the fine print.

[Oshosondy]

Changing of terms and conditions without notifying the users or gamblers is normal with online gambling websites? Then when you did something wrong or about to withdraw your money they will tell you that you don't read their terms and conditions, and you start arguing with them until you decide to read the ToS again and you find out that it's different.

Someone that register and playing on a gambling site from a restricted country is an example. Another example is someone that is using multiple accounts. Another is someone that is using VPN. Most of the rules are there, but some gamblers just do not bother to read the gambling site terms of service.

Some gambling websites consist of wicked owners that willingly plan to defraud their users using the ToS against them, or is this normal? Have such happened to anyone on this forum before?

People should try and read the terms of service. I can not answer this question because I have not gotten into such problem before, to the extent that I will not be able to withdraw from the gambling sites that I am using. Reading the terms of service is very important.

[piebeyb]

Changing of terms and conditions without notifying the users or gamblers is normal with online gambling websites? Then when you did something wrong or about to withdraw your money they will tell you that you don't read their terms and conditions, and you start arguing with them until you decide to read the ToS again and you find out that it's different.

Some gambling websites consist of wicked owners that willingly plan to defraud their users using the ToS against them, or is this normal? Have such happened to anyone on this forum before?

So far I have never experienced a case like that let alone my closest friends who are also crypto gamblers, but I often hear on this forum about cases like you said, usually problems due to TOS or TOS changes that are changed without user notification, if there is a casino. those who commit such fraud are sure that they only want to steal and take advantage of users' money.

I'm not sure if that's the case with the big casinos because as far as I can feel any changes to the rules the big casinos will notify their users by putting a notification on their account that there's a change in TOS or some other change in requirements. if you have a problem at a particular casino and it makes you uncomfortable just leave.

[Yogee]

[....]Have such happened to anyone on this forum before?

If you include those casinos changing certain parts of their Terms and Conditions after a complaint is posted here or while a case is ongoing then yes. I don't have the time to dig up previous cases but I've read a few in the scam accusation board in the past. A member archived the terms before the casino edited it. I can't remember exactly how it ended but the act of revising kinda had a negative impact on the gambling platform.

[maydna]

If the casino changes the terms and conditions without notifying the user, it is a big mistake because it is like trapping the user to make a mistake which can get their account blocked or even closed. And it will create endless debates between users and support services, and casinos can get bad reviews about changing terms and conditions without notification.

This is not normal, and it is something that casinos must avoid because it will make the casino lose people's trust. Automatically, the income from the casino will also decrease or even disappear instantly. People will not want to gamble in the casino because the casino has done something to make the users uncomfortable. I have never experienced this and do not expect it to happen even in the future.

[_act_]

If you include those casinos changing certain parts of their Terms and Conditions after a complaint is posted here or while a case is ongoing then yes. I don't have the time to dig up previous cases but I've read a few in the scam accusation board in the past. A member archived the terms before the casino edited it. I can't remember exactly how it ended but the act of revising kinda had a negative impact on the gambling platform.

That will be good. I have not seen someone that make this kind of complain before, this is the first one that I am seeing this. This kind of things should be with evidence, the name of the gambling site and the terms and conditions that was edited and changed that did not favoue the gambler.

Some gambling site can change somethings and make amendments to their terms and conditions, but if you are following the old conditions, the new conditions that can affect gamblers should not.lead to what will affect their gamblers. If it will affect their gamblers, they will message the old gamblers to let them be aware of the new conditions.

I do not see this as any issue because I have not seen complains about this before. The withdrawal issue has always been because of something else.

[Johnyz]

Some gambling websites consist of wicked owners that willingly plan to defraud their users using the ToS against them, or is this normal? Have such happened to anyone on this forum before?

The site have the right to change their ToS when deemed necessary but of course they have to notify everyone with regards to this one and give time to the gamblers to adjust accordingly. If the site changes their ToS without any announcement ahead of time or after the updates, then I think there's a bad practice about the site because you can't just change the ToS because of one situation, it must be good and acceptable for every players. Is there any site you experience with this?

[Eureka_07]

Changing of terms and conditions without notifying the users or gamblers is normal with online gambling websites? Then when you did something wrong or about to withdraw your money they will tell you that you don't read their terms and conditions, and you start arguing with them until you decide to read the ToS again and you find out that it's different.
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I believe, those casinos that are serious with their business usually doesn't have the need to change their ToS without notifying their users, the reason is that their documents are already well-written since the beginning. If there will be changes, they'll choose to inform the players as practice of professionalism.
On the other hand, those who casinos that tend to abuse their terms against their players are those casinos that we need to avoid. They are not serious of delivering good service, they just want to take other people's money, so better to think avoid these kind of casinos.

[ralle14]

Most casinos have to update their ToS later on, and it's normal for them to use ToS against users if they see something wrong with the user. One example was the Betcoin case years ago, and the changes that casinos make would be around limiting max wins or something to prevent too many losses on their side.

It would be a good idea to check their ToS once in a while, but you shouldn't worry about the ToS changes as much, as long as you're gambling like you usually do with other casinos then you should be fine.

[nakamura12]

That's why if you have read the whole casino's terms, make sure you're recheck it at least every 3 months to make sure their rules are still fit to you. If you find something suspicious about the new rule, you can ask to the live support and if you can't accept it, you can move to the other casino.

The casino usually will not notify their gamblers, but it doesn't mean they want to scam, notifying their gamblers can lead a spam.

I know some local online casino where they put a notice that there are some changes in their TOS so that people will know that there are new changes to the TOS. Well, I don't know about othe casinos that does this the same but I know that most casinos will not notify their gamblers about the changes and I agree that gamblers should read once in a while about their TOS then move to other casinod if they don't like or want the new rules. It's simple enough to do it and it helpd rather than staying in the same casino with a rule that a gambler doesn't want or doesn't like.

[goldkingcoiner]

Changing of terms and conditions without notifying the users or gamblers is normal with online gambling websites? Then when you did something wrong or about to withdraw your money they will tell you that you don't read their terms and conditions, and you start arguing with them until you decide to read the ToS again and you find out that it's different.

Some gambling websites consist of wicked owners that willingly plan to defraud their users using the ToS against them, or is this normal? Have such happened to anyone on this forum before?

Technically, the terms and conditions of the website in question is a contractual agreement between the user and the website which is offering services. In this case the service being gambling and the website a online casino.

So not only would changing the terms and conditions without notifying the users be immoral, I think it is also illegal. The user needs to be made aware of the new terms and conditions and he must agree to them before the website allows him to continue using their service.

If this does no happen then the user would have a strong case in court and I imagine the casino in question would be required to refund the user any deposited/lost funds since the starting date of the new TOS. But this could go both ways and the user might be required to return any winnings as well.

So notifying the user of the change is the right thing for the casino to do, in any case. I think we can all agree on that.

[SamReomo]

Changing of terms and conditions without notifying the users or gamblers is normal with online gambling websites? Then when you did something wrong or about to withdraw your money they will tell you that you don't read their terms and conditions, and you start arguing with them until you decide to read the ToS again and you find out that it's different.

Some gambling websites consist of wicked owners that willingly plan to defraud their users using the ToS against them, or is this normal? Have such happened to anyone on this forum before?

I have heard about such gambling websites that did something like that to stop withdrawals of the users. It's a pretty common thing in the world of online gambling and most of the gambling sites does that. But, the most trusted gambling sites are clean of such frauds because even if they somehow have to change their ToS they'll notify the users about the thing in advance.

I recommend everyone to choose only the gambling sites that are trusted and have good reputation. Try to avoid all those websites which do not allow you to withdraw your funds after the winning bets. The main priority should be given to the sites that allow you to withdraw your funds even if you win more than 10x your capital.

In the world of online gambling there have been many websites which were basically created to scam out the innocent users, and once they had enough funds they block the withdrawals with lame excuses. I won't name those sites but many users can understand from my words that which websites I'm talking about. It's best to get as much information about a gambling website as one can possibly get before adding funds into the site. That way a user can be on safe side and anything the users earns are totally his own property.

[Nwada001]

Changing of terms and conditions without notifying the users or gamblers is normal with online gambling websites?

It's nothing normal, and such things can never be regarded as normal, be it an online casino or whatever platform anyone is using. ToS updates should always be done and all users should be notified. If you, as a user, don't like the new update on the ToS, then you leave the platform and look for something else to involve yourself in. But for any casino or platform that chooses to perform such a thing, it's obvious that the platform doesn't have the interest of the people at hand, and they can easily scam anyone whenever they want.

I have come across a few cases, not in casinos, where the ToS was changed without the users consent, and even if you want to re-read the terms, you will barely notice those changes, but they are very important upstate and actually worth the team notifying their users. It's always when the users are experiencing any form of account freeze, suspended withdrawal, or some sort of allegation that they will use the ToS and use it against their customers.

[Hispo]

I have personally never suffered any abuse by a casino when comes to sudden changes in the ToS of there gambling place, however, I do not doubt it is a relatively common thing which happens with small and unknown casinos. (Another reason to stick to the biggest and most reliable ones).

When comes to changes of ToS, I believe the right approach would be what many big tech companies like Google do: they notify about the changes and when they are expected to take effect in the future, so people can read if they want or have the time to.

[SmartGold01]

It's natural for a gambling to adjust or realign their ToS if deemed necessary otherwise you as a gambler you don't have right to hold anything against them. If they noticed any loophole is their duty to adjust it to favor them, but as a company or site what they could do is to send their customers a notification messages or as a welcome note whenever you login to their site to avoid irrelevant argument or something similar.
But as a gambler it's your duty to regularly read their ToS or Notification messages because I understand most of gambling site or exchange do send out messages to their clients to be informed.

[goaldigger]

Even if they have the right to update the terms, informing the players ahead of time will not affect them that much. There will be a big issue if they update the terms right after your withdrawal, that only means the site can’t be trusted at all and might do the same thing again if its your time to withdraw.

Look for better alternatives mate, having this kind of practice can’t be trusted at all.

[Slow death]

Changing of terms and conditions without notifying the users or gamblers is normal with online gambling websites? Then when you did something wrong or about to withdraw your money they will tell you that you don't read their terms and conditions, and you start arguing with them until you decide to read the ToS again and you find out that it's different.

obviously it is not normal for a casino to change its TOS without first notifying people so that these people can read and decide whether they agree with the new terms or not, this is a consumer right in any country in the world, and it even becomes It is unbelievable that in many casinos they even manage to write the following: "the casino reserves the right to change the TOS without having to inform customers in advance". that part will not have any legal coverage in any court, but it seems that in many casinos there is no legal department. now about using TOS against people, in most I even risk talking about in 99% of scam accusation casinos of this type it was not due to TOS alteration, but because casinos use the following points: many accounts and cheating.

Some gambling websites consist of wicked owners that willingly plan to defraud their users using the ToS against them, or is this normal? Have such happened to anyone on this forum before?

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this has happened to many people, unfortunately it is very difficult to prove that the casino is wrong because the casino always claims that it cannot show proof because it will expose its methods that they use to catch cheaters, so the casino's word is always true and the customers' word is always true are false, and this is very strange, even today I still don't understand how here in the forum there is no conflict mediation service between the casino and the client, this is something that should exist here in the forum

[Mahdirakib]

Changing of terms and conditions without notifying the users or gamblers is normal with online gambling websites?

Most of the casinos update their terms on time to time. But they rarely inform the users about the changes. I have to check the rules of the terms of different casinos to keep this thread up-to-date. I have noticed the changes of terms of some casinos during the process. Casinos have to adjust those terms for their gambling license provider. They don't implement any new terms which is not friendly for the user. I never suffered for the changes of the terms of any casino.

[Findingnemo]

Changing of terms and conditions without notifying the users or gamblers is normal with online gambling websites? Then when you did something wrong or about to withdraw your money they will tell you that you don't read their terms and conditions, and you start arguing with them until you decide to read the ToS again and you find out that it's different.

Some gambling websites consist of wicked owners that willingly plan to defraud their users using the ToS against them, or is this normal? Have such happened to anyone on this forum before?

Casino may alter their ToS at anytime to refuse the reward of someone and there are some instances it happened in the past even with reputed casinos but it will hit their reputation than anything so if a casino is practicing such activity then they will fall behind sooner or later.

But its not a big thing to see updation on TOS often on crypto service platforms because of changes from regulations so it doesn't bothered me at all.

[boyptc]

Changing of terms and conditions without notifying the users or gamblers is normal with online gambling websites?

That's not normal, even if a casino's TOS states that they can modify any of their following rules. There's still a need for them to notify their customers with any change that they've made. That's ethical for a business to let your customers know what you've done based on the policies that you've made and adjusted.

Then when you did something wrong or about to withdraw your money they will tell you that you don't read their terms and conditions, and you start arguing with them until you decide to read the ToS again and you find out that it's different.

If you can prove them that you've got a solid evidence that the TOS have been modified and it is different from the copy that you've read before upon signing up, show it to them so that they can't alter your defense.

Some gambling websites consist of wicked owners that willingly plan to defraud their users using the ToS against them, or is this normal? Have such happened to anyone on this forum before?

Abnormal obviously.

Just check on the Scam Accusations section and you'll see complains, some of them might involve these rules or TOS that have been inaccurately far from the original TOS upon withdrawal.

[iv4n]

Changing of terms and conditions without notifying the users or gamblers is normal with online gambling websites?

"Welcome to the crypto gambling wild west!"

Not my words, I am quoting someone here... Many of us here have already seen "almost everything", I say "almost everything" because every time I thought I had seen everything something new surprised me.

Check BTCGosu Blacklisted Bitcoin Casinos and you will get a better picture I think.

[BitcoinPanther]

Changing of terms and conditions without notifying the users or gamblers is normal with online gambling websites? Then when you did something wrong or about to withdraw your money they will tell you that you don't read their terms and conditions, and you start arguing with them until you decide to read the ToS again and you find out that it's different.

Some gambling websites consist of wicked owners that willingly plan to defraud their users using the ToS against them, or is this normal? Have such happened to anyone on this forum before?

If the change in TOS was done to justify the gambling platform's action to ban and confiscate the fund of an account then that would be unethical and at the same time defrauding their customer but if the TOS were modified before the the case of the client then I do not think that there is wrong with the gambling platform.  Although there should be a notice coming from the platform about the change in terms and condition the customer should always update themselves from time to time about the regulation of the gambling platform.

If you can prove them that you've got a solid evidence that the TOS have been modified and it is different from the copy that you've read before upon signing up, show it to them so that they can't alter your defense.

The timestamp of the TOS modified and the case of the player is most important.  Even if the TOS is modified but it happened before the client commit the breach of TOS, then the action of the player will be subjected to the modified TOS.

[OgNasty]

Changing of terms and conditions without notifying the users or gamblers is normal with online gambling websites? Then when you did something wrong or about to withdraw your money they will tell you that you don't read their terms and conditions, and you start arguing with them until you decide to read the ToS again and you find out that it's different.

Some gambling websites consist of wicked owners that willingly plan to defraud their users using the ToS against them, or is this normal? Have such happened to anyone on this forum before?

Online gambling is an industry that is rapidly changing and being regulated by many countries around the world. I imagine there are times when they’re forced to immediately make changes to their terms of service in order to be able to continue legally operating in certain districts. I don’t think it’s a malicious attack on their users.

[Casdinyard]

AFAIK many casinos aren't notifying their gamblers when they've updated their terms, but I think a legit casino will notifying their users when a big change happen. Changing the terms against the gambler who's won big amount money isn't nothing new in new casino, they will give an excuse if their casino is still new and it's normal if they might adjust their terms due to development.

And this is why you should only play with reputable casinos. The mere changes in their Terms of Services could easily be taken against you when the time comes. And you can't take them to court either cause the ToS is going to hold up well in the proceedings, leaving you penniless in the process of finding justice and lost too. So it's just better to not take chances when it comes to picking casinos or bookies, it's much better to put your business into entities and companies that are reliable, and have been in the industry for years with good reputation.

[dothebeats]

ToS are what saves casinos from players that are trying to game the system in order to get the benefits for themselves. But it's also worth noting that ToS can be used by the platform to cheat their players off of their winnings as well. There are instances wherein a casino changed their ToS immediately and used that new ruling to retroactively impose the said rule to justify the bans that they did to some player accounts. Pretty sure not a lot of us will be reading the ToS fully or saving it, but it's best to immediately read the ToS after receiving suspensions or bans on your account on whichever platform that is and save that copy of the ToS just in case they decided to flip the switch and make it seem like you did a very serious thing that is against their rules and policies.

[Wiwo]

Changing of terms and conditions without notifying the users or gamblers is normal with online gambling websites? Then when you did something wrong or about to withdraw your money they will tell you that you don't read their terms and conditions, and you start arguing with them until you decide to read the ToS again and you find out that it's different.

Some gambling websites consist of wicked owners that willingly plan to defraud their users using the ToS against them, or is this normal? Have such happened to anyone on this forum before?

Is there not ways to check when the term and condition are updated by casinos because, from you explanation it looks and sounds as if gambling sites change the terms and conditions regularly just to suit their own desire and plot to manipulate the result against the players?

If there is no way to know if, and when tos are updated or worked on, it becomes a free ground for scam projects to easily change it to suit their own selfish desire.

[un_rank]

Changing of terms and conditions without notifying the users or gamblers is normal with online gambling websites?

No it is not. While businesses reserve the right to change their terms of service at anytime but have to notify their users of the change and they accept the new ToS. If it is changed without any notice it means the user only accepted the initial terms which were in place when they registered on the platform.

I would suggest you avoid any gambling website that changes their terms without any notice to their customers.

- Jay -

[darkangel11]

Changing of terms and conditions without notifying the users or gamblers is normal with online gambling websites?

Could you give us an example of what changes in the ToS were there in your case? It's very rare for the changes to be so big to impact users in the way that they could be banned or scammed by the casino. Usually they add or remove countries from their list of restrictions and I suspect that's what you had a problem with. Usually they notify users about changes in the ToS, but don't way what exactly was changed. They just let you know there have been some changes and it's up to you to read it again.

If you feel cheated, start a thread in scam accusations.

[Fortify]

Changing of terms and conditions without notifying the users or gamblers is normal with online gambling websites? Then when you did something wrong or about to withdraw your money they will tell you that you don't read their terms and conditions, and you start arguing with them until you decide to read the ToS again and you find out that it's different.

Some gambling websites consist of wicked owners that willingly plan to defraud their users using the ToS against them, or is this normal? Have such happened to anyone on this forum before?

It's not normal to change the terms of service like this, however many people often forget a rare pop up which might state "Our terms have changed, please click here if you accept them". That's the minimal, professional approach that a company might be expected to take. If they did not do this then it might be possible to fight the changed terms if they were severely detrimental to the end user, but it just depends on what sort of outcome or problem you are facing with the rule change. In reality, most users never pay the slightest bit of attention to all of the different terms that they agree to when registering at different sites and would probably lose vast amounts of time if they decided to start.

[bitbollo]

all "reputable" sites always send a notification to confirm a certain TOS change. it should be done if it's something "impacting".

But, yes it has happened several times that these changes were not notified (I remember a long discussion regarding a crypto-exchange...) but in general it is always a bad sign of seriousness of the site.
Even worse is when certain changes are adopted retroactively.
Unfortunately the TOS are written in a "broad" way just to cover all cases

[ryzaadit]

In law nope.

Because, we should stick in the "TOS" at the time we register to the site. However, If they notify user and we take agree again then the new tos should be apply to us. Stake recently reminder/notifity their tos again.

It's one of example, In-case they want to change somethings.

[Mahanton]

Changing of terms and conditions without notifying the users or gamblers is normal with online gambling websites? Then when you did something wrong or about to withdraw your money they will tell you that you don't read their terms and conditions, and you start arguing with them until you decide to read the ToS again and you find out that it's different.

Some gambling websites consist of wicked owners that willingly plan to defraud their users using the ToS against them, or is this normal? Have such happened to anyone on this forum before?

This is why it would really be that important at least on taking up some screenshots with having that date showed but of course most of us wouldn't really be minding in doing so since we are just that small time gamblers or doesnt really considered to be a whale and this is the least thing that we would really be minding but on the time that you would really be able to win up big and then suddenly they would really be asking these
kind of information which you cant really even sure on how to fight for your right just because once you dont able to provide some counter measures then you would really be ending up on accepting that it was your fault.
This is why if you dont like to experience up things then it would be better that you should really be sticking into those known and reputable platforms.Although this doesnt assure 100% that you would get rid about of this situation but at least you are dealing on a site which had been able to trusted up by many. Usually these kind of sites are really into those new ones who had been able to wrekt up by those
huge wins hit up by their players.

[coin-investor]

Changing of terms and conditions without notifying the users or gamblers is normal with online gambling websites? Then when you did something wrong or about to withdraw your money they will tell you that you don't read their terms and conditions, and you start arguing with them until you decide to read the ToS again and you find out that it's different.

Some gambling websites consist of wicked owners that willingly plan to defraud their users using the ToS against them, or is this normal? Have such happened to anyone on this forum before?

Good casinos always inform their players about changes on their terms, some casinos do not do that and it left many gamblers in a trap but TOS is a TOS although it's a long read people at least once a week should read the terms of service for any changes that they are not aware of.

Sometimes you missed their newsletter about the changes in their terms of service going through the important section of the terms where they are likely to change some provisions will put you at ease while playing, you can't argue with the casino when it comes to the rules of their casino.

[stomachgrowls]

Changing of terms and conditions without notifying the users or gamblers is normal with online gambling websites? Then when you did something wrong or about to withdraw your money they will tell you that you don't read their terms and conditions, and you start arguing with them until you decide to read the ToS again and you find out that it's different.

Some gambling websites consist of wicked owners that willingly plan to defraud their users using the ToS against them, or is this normal? Have such happened to anyone on this forum before?

Good casinos always inform their players about changes on their terms, some casinos do not do that and it left many gamblers in a trap but TOS is a TOS although it's a long read people at least once a week should read the terms of service for any changes that they are not aware of.

Sometimes you missed their newsletter about the changes in their terms of service going through the important section of the terms where they are likely to change some provisions will put you at ease while playing, you can't argue with the casino when it comes to the rules of their casino.

Making alterations without any announcement into its players or into the community is something a doing for a non-fair and shady casino which it should really be avoided on the time that it gets busted.

This is why its really that important on reading up terms and conditions and if you are something who do make use or having some behavior like using up some VPN or any other movement then you would be basically be watching and checking if this platform is allowing or not. On the time that you do saw that they do allowed as you could see into their TOS but on the time that they had sued you out on having that kind of violation
which you would really be tending to fight off on what you had read earlier but on the time that they had already altered it out then there's nothing you can do.

There's no way that you could be able to prove it out unless if you do see some evidence on showing on their Terms and conditions earlier.

[QueenVera]

Changing of terms and conditions without notifying the users or gamblers is normal with online gambling websites? Then when you did something wrong or about to withdraw your money they will tell you that you don't read their terms and conditions, and you start arguing with them until you decide to read the ToS again and you find out that it's different.

Some gambling websites consist of wicked owners that willingly plan to defraud their users using the ToS against them, or is this normal? Have such happened to anyone on this forum before?

I don't think this is actually true because I don't see how possible this can be and this is one of the major reasons why we have to always take our time to read the terms and conditions of a casino before getting involved in any for form of services with them and a big casino will not try to attempt this because I say this as one of the cheapest scams any casinos can ever think of.

But if this is really possible then the casinos really need to be invested and looked into because this is a deliberate criminal act and they shouldn't be stealing from their loyal fans and customers.

[seoincorporation]

I don't think the ToS are made to affect the users, they are made to protect the casino against some abuses, but we have seen some casinos that abuse the ToS to avoid the users getting their money, a good example of this is FortuneJack, in their ToS they say the min withdraw is $150 which is a way to avoid the users withdraw their money forcing them to bet if they have an amount lower than that. And if you want to make a deposit on that site then you have to do a rollover of x2 to be able to withdraw which is another abuse.

[TimeTeller]

I don't think the ToS are made to affect the users, they are made to protect the casino against some abuses, but we have seen some casinos that abuse the ToS to avoid the users getting their money, a good example of this is FortuneJack, in their ToS they say the min withdraw is $150 which is a way to avoid the users withdraw their money forcing them to bet if they have an amount lower than that. And if you want to make a deposit on that site then you have to do a rollover of x2 to be able to withdraw which is another abuse.

The ToS is there for a reason, a basic reference for both player and the casino.
Without it, it would be chaos and there will be complaints after complaints.
It is a need to have a harmonious relationship with its players, like a common ground for both parties.
So it is not only for the casino but for the users as well. If the user doesn't agree with the terms of the casino, he can always go to another casino.

[RILWAN]

Can you really point to the casino that is involved in this kind of scam attributes which is very bad for any casino's reputation regardless because that is an offence that could be said for, editing the TOS to favour their case is no different from scamming users by blocking them and seizing their funds.

[Baofeng]

I actually just had to agree to new ToS on stake last time I logged in. Is there a certain casino you are accusing of this? Let's be honest, if you are of legal gambling age, live in a country that's allowed on said website, and can confirm your funds then ToS doesn't bother you.

Yes sir, when you logged back in to Stake you will see that they have a new Tos and you have to agree before you can proceed and play. Although I did checked my emails and there was none regarding the ToS but I think the pop-up is enough for Stake gamblers that their is a new set of ToS.

As for this case, I haven't seen the casino that the OP is accusing, I think it's better for us to know which one, if it is reputable or not so that we may call their attentions. But I guess maybe the OP doesn't want to reveal it so this discussion could be open for interpretation, fault of the user for not knowing the new ToS or casino itself for not notifying their customers.

[khaled0111]

As far as I know, any professional service provider, be it a casino or any other company, whenever they introdyuce the lightest change to their terms of services, they must make it public.
First, you will see on the tos page that it has been updated at x/x/x
All customers are supposed to receive notification about the new changes.
The most important thing that changes are kit supposed to be retro-active.

[qwertyup23]

Changing of terms and conditions without notifying the users or gamblers is normal with online gambling websites? Then when you did something wrong or about to withdraw your money they will tell you that you don't read their terms and conditions, and you start arguing with them until you decide to read the ToS again and you find out that it's different.

Some gambling websites consist of wicked owners that willingly plan to defraud their users using the ToS against them, or is this normal? Have such happened to anyone on this forum before?

I do think that some gambling companies change their TOS without any notice to their users. This happens usually when an active player has a claim against the gambling company and the latter wants to refuse giving out something.

If this happens, this is considered as fraud and this should be reported immediately in this forum to notify everyone about their behaviour. This kind of scheme should not be tolerated at all cost given that they are defrauding their players blatantly with this kind of act.

[serjent05]

Reputable casinos will always take responsibility for informing their users if there is any TOS modification.  Just like recently when Stake had their amendment on the TOS, they inform their players by forced popping the new TOS on the screen of the player while giving them the option to accept the new term.

Those who do not inform their players of any TOS changes can be said unethical because it is the most important thing that a player must know while playing on the gambling platform.

[Blitzboy]

Oh boy, you've hit a nerve! If there's one thing that gets my goat, it's a gambling website that changes its ToS on the fly like a chameleon changing colors. Unfortunately, it happens, and it's far from being the laughing matter.

Is it normal? Maybe in the "shadier" corners of the online gambling world. Should we accept it? Heck no! There's no reason why users should be left in the dark when it comes to changes in the ToS.

It's high time we put our foot down and demand transparency. One approach could be to lobby for stricter regulations requiring online gambling platforms to announce any changes to their terms and conditions. Let's make this an exciting challenge instead of a tiresome struggle!

[Don Pedro Dinero]

A decent casino should send an email notifying of changes. After all, many customers won't even bother to read the email. Another thing is that the casino is not so decent and changes the ToS a lot and without warning.

Some gambling websites consist of wicked owners that willingly plan to defraud their users using the ToS against them, or is this normal? Have such happened to anyone on this forum before?

You seem to have a specific casino in mind. Share it with us and we can discuss it together.

[Wexnident]

Changing of terms and conditions without notifying the users or gamblers is normal with online gambling websites? Then when you did something wrong or about to withdraw your money they will tell you that you don't read their terms and conditions, and you start arguing with them until you decide to read the ToS again and you find out that it's different.

Some gambling websites consist of wicked owners that willingly plan to defraud their users using the ToS against them, or is this normal? Have such happened to anyone on this forum before?

That's not a casino, that's a scam. Legitimate casinos would notify users of the changes in their ToS possibly weeks, maybe even months before they implement them. It's just something natural. If a casino didn't do so and updated them without notifying their users, I'd just leave since they've fully committed to scamming at least one person with that change.

Afaik there has been some people who were victims, I recall some of them provided proofs while others claimed to be victims but sadly no proof was shown. It is hard though since in the first place,  who takes a copy of the ToS of a casino? I certainly don't.

[delfastTions]

Changing of terms and conditions without notifying the users or gamblers is normal with online gambling websites? Then when you did something wrong or about to withdraw your money they will tell you that you don't read their terms and conditions, and you start arguing with them until you decide to read the ToS again and you find out that it's different.

Some gambling websites consist of wicked owners that willingly plan to defraud their users using the ToS against them, or is this normal? Have such happened to anyone on this forum before?

That's not a casino, that's a scam. Legitimate casinos would notify users of the changes in their ToS possibly weeks, maybe even months before they implement them. It's just something natural. If a casino didn't do so and updated them without notifying their users, I'd just leave since they've fully committed to scamming at least one person with that change.

Afaik there has been some people who were victims, I recall some of them provided proofs while others claimed to be victims but sadly no proof was shown. It is hard though since in the first place,  who takes a copy of the ToS of a casino? I certainly don't.

And here is where an interesting question arises.  Even if you download the TOS text for yourself at the moment when you read the rules, if the casino is fraudulent, then it may claim that the rules you downloaded were faked and they were different.  Even having an archive page with the text of TOS, I think it is quite difficult to prove its authenticity.  But I certainly think that such fraudulent actions with the texts of the rules are only done by fraudulent casino sites.  Any reputable and well-known casino, of course, must somehow notify the players about the change in the rules in advance. 
The main question that worries everyone is, of course, the withdrawal of money won at the casino to your account, whether KYC is needed, commission rates, and sinilar  issues.

[mindrust]

Changing of terms and conditions without notifying the users or gamblers is normal with online gambling websites? Then when you did something wrong or about to withdraw your money they will tell you that you don't read their terms and conditions, and you start arguing with them until you decide to read the ToS again and you find out that it's different.

Some gambling websites consist of wicked owners that willingly plan to defraud their users using the ToS against them, or is this normal? Have such happened to anyone on this forum before?

If a user breaks ToS, then the casino should lock the user's account and let him withdraw his money. Most casinos do it that way but some of them don't even let the user withdraw his money and that's where it becomes a scammy behavior. If the user harmed the casino financially, I can understand that behavior since they have to make up for the damages he caused but if not, then this act is completely unnecessary. Some of those people don't even realize that it was against the ToS to use a VPN for example... you can't seize these people's money so easily.

[_act_]

If a user breaks ToS, then the casino should lock the user's account and let him withdraw his money.

If the gamblers deposited money is traced to criminal activities, the casino should let the gambler to withdraw his money?
If the gambler has been using multiple accounts to claim 100% bonus and referring himself. Won't that lead to argument in a way that the casino may not want to give the gambler back all his money and his accounts would be merged into one.

What if the gambler is gambling from a restricted country and he won huge amount of money. The casino gave him back his deposit but did not give him the money won. That is another scenario. But if he has lost the whole money, no money would be given him back.

Just follow the terms and conditions and do not violate it because there are some situations that the casino will not give back the customer money and not seeing as scam.

[ThemePen]

Terms of Services can be changed at anytime but if a casino will not notify its users so users will leave their casinos so any good company never try to lose its users.
By the way in my view mostly people don't read the full ToS they just touch the accept button and go a head and start using the services. By the way the casinos, not only casinos every company should notify its users about changing ToS.

[ScamViruS]

Some gambling websites consist of wicked owners that willingly plan to defraud their users using the ToS against them, or is this normal? Have such happened to anyone on this forum before?

A legit casino will notify their users if they change any kind of ToS. And some casinos always want to know how to keep their customers in the dark so that they can take more advantage at the right time against the gambler when that gambler breaks the rules because they don't read about the new ToS. Then it is really frustrating with the gambler as he is cheated by the casino not to inform him about the new ToS update. So gamblers should be careful in choosing a casino.

[Wapfika]

Terms of Services can be changed at anytime but if a casino will not notify its users so users will leave their casinos so any good company never try to lose its users.
By the way in my view mostly people don't read the full ToS they just touch the accept button and go a head and start using the services. By the way the casinos, not only casinos every company should notify its users about changing ToS.

A company that making a changes on company ToS should notify this specific changes on customers. This practice is very common on exchange that is regulated. They are using email to notify every users of their services but this protocol is different on gambling company since they only changing minor revisions that is not gonna give impact to the players daily gambling experience. This is why casino is very rare to notify their users and just add a special note that they might change terms details from time to time.

But changing a terms just for the sake of using it against the existing case of users is different story.

[ethereumhunter]

Casino sites must notify users if the casino changes its terms and conditions to all its members because it is a form of service from the casino to its members. This can also provide comfort to its members and if they do not agree with the new rules of the casino, the members can do something like move to another casino or ask the support service.

But I think some casinos don't announce the new terms and conditions so many of the members are surprised and don't think that casinos are doing that. Stake recently updated their rules and notified them when users logged in to their accounts.

[smyslov]

Gamblers should be aware of this, they should be aware of casinos changing their TOS but not informing their members, so in case there are issues arises the casino can easily win the case because the TOS always favors this, so members should check the most important provisions on the TOS that casino will likely change, like the use of VPN or KYC, this has been the issue many casinos are using against those who violate.

[mindrust]

If a user breaks ToS, then the casino should lock the user's account and let him withdraw his money.

If the gamblers deposited money is traced to criminal activities, the casino should let the gambler to withdraw his money?
If the gambler has been using multiple accounts to claim 100% bonus and referring himself. Won't that lead to argument in a way that the casino may not want to give the gambler back all his money and his accounts would be merged into one.

What if the gambler is gambling from a restricted country and he won huge amount of money. The casino gave him back his deposit but did not give him the money won. That is another scenario. But if he has lost the whole money, no money would be given him back.

Just follow the terms and conditions and do not violate it because there are some situations that the casino will not give back the customer money and not seeing as scam.

Did you read the rest of my post? I said if the player caused serious harm, then the casino should indeed seize the funds. If it was something like using multi acc, using VPN etc and it didn't caused any financial dmg then why seize the funds? It makes no sense. Some people use multi acc because they forget their old acc's password and create a new acc instead of trying to remember the pass of their old acc. Should the casino seize the money of this player? Of course no.

[Bitinity]

Some gambling websites consist of wicked owners that willingly plan to defraud their users using the ToS against them, or is this normal? Have such happened to anyone on this forum before?

Luckily I have never faced significant issue in all online casinos where I used to play. Without a doubt there are many cases out there where shady casinos use their terms for their own benefits but I dont think the same thing is happening in reputable casinos. This is why it is always recommended to play in reputable casinos, in case we want to try new site then we should be really smart to check the casino first. If we feel that there is something fishy, skip and leave the casino.

[Adbitco]

Changing their TOS isn't that bad but at least should notify all their members who are active players or even to those who aren't active.
As user you need to accept the changes or even though your weren't comfortable with site you may decide to abandoned them to another which you found pleasing and attractive than just worrying yourself over a little a chnage.

As far as I know, casino or gambling sites are becoming too competitions nowadays and if any of which doesn't meet your criteria then you have to change them for another better one. Although most times I understand that gamblers always have their preferred site which the constantly use and they are more friendly with them, at this point it became worrisome and annoying their users.

[Pmalek]

In all honesty, most players don't read the Terms & Conditions before signing up, let alone if there are some changes. So they aren't aware of the rules they have to respect at any point in time. I have never experienced anything like that myself. But then again, I don't experiment with new and untested platforms to even give them a chance to mess with me. Stick with the few tested and reliable platforms that we have.

Most T&Cs state that they can be amended at any time. By registering an account, you also agree to those changes. Preferably, the casino would let you know if they made big changes, especially if they affect you personally based on your location, gaming activities, etc.

If you experience something like that, leave that site and don't return. Also, warn the community about your experience.   

[noormcs5]

Changing of terms and conditions without notifying the users or gamblers is normal with online gambling websites? Then when you did something wrong or about to withdraw your money they will tell you that you don't read their terms and conditions, and you start arguing with them until you decide to read the ToS again and you find out that it's different.

Some gambling websites consist of wicked owners that willingly plan to defraud their users using the ToS against them, or is this normal? Have such happened to anyone on this forum before?

Are you talking about any specific casino which did change their terms of service without notifying the users? If so, you should share the name of that casino so that we all are aware of any such casino.

Generally speaking, there is not such way to know if the casino silently changed their terms and conditions. Someone who have first thoroughly read and understand the ToS and then regularly monitor the terms of service to see any changes can only figure out such changes, if any. Mostly gamblers will not care about these terms unless and until they are in a situation where they need a help and the ToS favors the casino.

[Doan9269]

Terms of Services can be changed at anytime but if a casino will not notify its users so users will leave their casinos so any good company never try to lose its users.
By the way in my view mostly people don't read the full ToS they just touch the accept button and go a head and start using the services. By the way the casinos, not only casinos every company should notify its users about changing ToS.

Terms of service aren't aimed to be used against the gamblers, it will rather be the gamblers that doesn't understand their terms of service that would have leads to their roughly encounters with the gambling platforms or casinos, also part of their ToS, they would have stated that their policy is under review amd can change from anytime, which indicates that whenever you're gambling and comes about something strange then it's expected of you to make moves in knowing why by going through their ToS again if some things have changed there.

[Mr. Magkaisa]

Changing of terms and conditions without notifying the users or gamblers is normal with online gambling websites? Then when you did something wrong or about to withdraw your money they will tell you that you don't read their terms and conditions, and you start arguing with them until you decide to read the ToS again and you find out that it's different.

Some gambling websites consist of wicked owners that willingly plan to defraud their users using the ToS against them, or is this normal? Have such happened to anyone on this forum before?

    -   Such a scenario has happened many times that as you say, just not notifying their users that there was a change in their
TOS is a big mistake.

It turns out that they did that because they knew that many people would take out large amounts of money, so they immediately preceded it with a big change so that their gamblers could not take out a lot of money.

Then this is not normal for a crypto gambling because it appears that they do not value the trust of their players but rather they take advantage of it in the name of money that they think should not be released, which is like stealing what it used to be.

[Cling18]

Terms of Services can be changed at anytime but if a casino will not notify its users so users will leave their casinos so any good company never try to lose its users.
By the way in my view mostly people don't read the full ToS they just touch the accept button and go a head and start using the services. By the way the casinos, not only casinos every company should notify its users about changing ToS.

Terms of service aren't aimed to be used against the gamblers, it will rather be the gamblers that doesn't understand their terms of service that would have leads to their roughly encounters with the gambling platforms or casinos, also part of their ToS, they would have stated that their policy is under review amd can change from anytime, which indicates that whenever you're gambling and comes about something strange then it's expected of you to make moves in knowing why by going through their ToS again if some things have changed there.

Some casinos regularly modify their TOS, so once we've read it, we should be informed of their policies. When we personally become aware that we are engaging in uncommon actions, we should read their TOS once again to be sure. Before starting our action, we can also contact their customer support. The Terms of Service aren't intended to trick or deceive users, but we still have a responsibility to periodically review them to see if anything has changed.
If you are having doubts about the casino for doing such thing repeatedly, then look for a reputable and trusted casino with a firm TOS. There are lots of reliable and trusted casinos that you could choose from nowadays.

[Solosanz]

Gamblers should be aware of this, they should be aware of casinos changing their TOS but not informing their members, so in case there are issues arises the casino can easily win the case because the TOS always favors this, so members should check the most important provisions on the TOS that casino will likely change, like the use of VPN or KYC, this has been the issue many casinos are using against those who violate.

Until when do you need to recheck the casino's TOS? every month, every week, everyday, every hour, or every minute? it's impossible if your life is just used to watching the casino's terms.

I think every gambler just need to read the casino's TOS once time and then archive the page. If you win big amount money, you can withdraw it and the casino accuse you about a new rule, you can use your archived page to accuse the casino.

[dothebeats]

Casino sites must notify users if the casino changes its terms and conditions to all its members because it is a form of service from the casino to its members. This can also provide comfort to its members and if they do not agree with the new rules of the casino, the members can do something like move to another casino or ask the support service.

But I think some casinos don't announce the new terms and conditions so many of the members are surprised and don't think that casinos are doing that. Stake recently updated their rules and notified them when users logged in to their accounts.

You’d be surprised on the amount of platforms and services related to gambling that do not send communications to their players regarding the change in their ToS. It is, IMO, a very unprofessional way of handling changes in the way the platform runs and it can also mean cheating the players as well. Also, a lot of players don’t dare check their emails for changes anyway, so that’s on them if something happened that they don’t know about especially if the platform sent email communications regarding the change that happened.

[South Park]

Changing of terms and conditions without notifying the users or gamblers is normal with online gambling websites? Then when you did something wrong or about to withdraw your money they will tell you that you don't read their terms and conditions, and you start arguing with them until you decide to read the ToS again and you find out that it's different.

Some gambling websites consist of wicked owners that willingly plan to defraud their users using the ToS against them, or is this normal? Have such happened to anyone on this forum before?

This is without a doubt wrong, changing the TOS is completely normal but the casino needs to notify all their uses about it, this way they can decide if they are willing to comply with what is stated there or they will look for another casino in which to play,  so if this has happened to you then it could be a good idea to reveal the name of the casino which did this so other gamblers can take note of their behavior and avoid playing there from now on.

[DoublerHunter]

Casino sites must notify users if the casino changes its terms and conditions to all its members because it is a form of service from the casino to its members. This can also provide comfort to its members and if they do not agree with the new rules of the casino, the members can do something like move to another casino or ask the support service.

But I think some casinos don't announce the new terms and conditions so many of the members are surprised and don't think that casinos are doing that. Stake recently updated their rules and notified them when users logged in to their accounts.

You’d be surprised on the amount of platforms and services related to gambling that do not send communications to their players regarding the change in their ToS. It is, IMO, a very unprofessional way of handling changes in the way the platform runs and it can also mean cheating the players as well. Also, a lot of players don’t dare check their emails for changes anyway, so that’s on them if something happened that they don’t know about especially if the platform sent email communications regarding the change that happened.

^Definitely right, it could be a form of cheat or an unprofessional way of dealing with their users.
It is generally considered unethical for online gambling websites to alter their terms and conditions without proper notification to their users. Reputable platforms strive to maintain transparency and ensure that users are aware of any changes that may impact their experience or rights.
Such instances are not considered normal or acceptable to me.

[acroman08]

this is why I think casinos should notify their gamblers if there is a change in their ToS even if it is small or big as it can affect the overall experience of a gambler. just like how a lot of casinos have no problem notifying gamblers about new promotions, bonuses, etc... they should also have no problem notifying gamblers if there is a change on their ToS

Some gambling websites consist of wicked owners that willingly plan to defraud their users using the ToS against them, or is this normal?

as you said, "wicked owners that willingly plan to defraud their users using the ToS against them" There is nothing normal with that, they are basically a criminal taking advantage of other people.

Have such happened to anyone on this forum before?

I vaguely remember complaints I've read in the past where the OP claims that gambling sites suddenly change or adjust their ToS to avoid paying a gambler's winnings, though I am not sure whether the accusations are true or not. sadly I can't recall the name of the thread or what casino the OP is accusing of.

[QueenVera]

Terms of Services can be changed at anytime but if a casino will not notify its users so users will leave their casinos so any good company never try to lose its users.
By the way in my view mostly people don't read the full ToS they just touch the accept button and go a head and start using the services. By the way the casinos, not only casinos every company should notify its users about changing ToS.

You're right mate and I think so many people don't even dare to read the terms and conditions of a thing before using it and I was think what if changing their terms  of service  at anytime without having to notify  its users is also  included in their terms of service?
I don't think any reputable firm will ever engage in this kind of act but the truth  be told that most times, all this reasons comes from severe loses and we just end up seeking for things to justify our decisions.

[khaled0111]

If it was something like using multi acc, using VPN etc and it didn't caused any financial dmg then why seize the funds? It makes no sense. Some people use multi acc because they forget their old acc's password and create a new acc instead of trying to remember the pass of their old acc. Should the casino seize the money of this player? Of course no.

Sorry, but you are wrong. If a customer loses access to his account for whatever reason, then what he must do is to contact customer support and ask for them to help him recover his account or at least ask if it's OK to create a new account (alt) and abondon the first one. I took this example just to prove a point: if you break the ToS of any service then you are at fault regardless of your intentions.

[pawel7777]

Changing of terms and conditions without notifying the users or gamblers is normal with online gambling websites? Then when you did something wrong or about to withdraw your money they will tell you that you don't read their terms and conditions, and you start arguing with them until you decide to read the ToS again and you find out that it's different.

Some gambling websites consist of wicked owners that willingly plan to defraud their users using the ToS against them, or is this normal? Have such happened to anyone on this forum before?

Terms of Service do not supersede the law. Most civilised countries would require any operators to inform their users of any changes to the terms of service. If they fail to do that. any dispute resulting from such changes would be ruled in favour of the customer.
The problem is, many gambling websites operate illegally or half-legally, i.e. being registered in some exotic jurisdictions and not adhering to regulations of the countries in which they provide their services. In such cases, there's not much you can do, other than maybe contacting your bank and trying to reverse any fiat deposit you've made.

[Odusko]

Terms of Services can be changed at anytime but if a casino will not notify its users so users will leave their casinos so any good company never try to lose its users.
By the way in my view mostly people don't read the full ToS they just touch the accept button and go a head and start using the services. By the way the casinos, not only casinos every company should notify its users about changing ToS.

You're right mate and I think so many people don't even dare to read the terms and conditions of a thing before using it and I was think what if changing their terms  of service  at anytime without having to notify  its users is also  included in their terms of service?
I don't think any reputable firm will ever engage in this kind of act but the truth  be told that most times, all this reasons comes from severe loses and we just end up seeking for things to justify our decisions.

In the case where the terms and conditions of a casino covers a column that mentioned updates of the T&c at regular intervals, it will make the case become more hard for the players since the casino already stated that and whatever their wish to, they will change the T&c to suit and favour themselves.
But I have not seen any casino that does that yet and including it in the terms of service will discourage potential players from using such casino.

[Saint-loup]

Changing of terms and conditions without notifying the users or gamblers is normal with online gambling websites? Then when you did something wrong or about to withdraw your money they will tell you that you don't read their terms and conditions, and you start arguing with them until you decide to read the ToS again and you find out that it's different.

Some gambling websites consist of wicked owners that willingly plan to defraud their users using the ToS against them, or is this normal? Have such happened to anyone on this forum before?

Scamming users with shady and unfair clauses from ToS is just a scammy practice using to selectively scam customers. It's usually the users with the lowest LTV (Lifetime Value) or a negative one who are targeted with such practice. Customers with a high one, rarely need to care about it (except if they've made a big deposit) casinos are usually very nice and tolerant towards them.

[khaled0111]

it will make the case become more hard for the players since the casino already stated that and whatever their wish to, they will change the T&c to suit and favour themselves.
But I have not seen any casino that does that yet and including it in the terms of service will discourage potential players from using such casino.

As stated above, they can not do this. They can't simply change their terms of service overnight to win a dispute against one or some of their customers. A scam casino may do it but a reputable one will never do it. Besides, as I said above, even if they introduce some changes to their ToS, the changes aren't supposed to have a retro-active effect. So, it's not going to change anything.

[Fivestar4everMVP]

Changing of terms and conditions without notifying the users or gamblers is normal with online gambling websites? Then when you did something wrong or about to withdraw your money they will tell you that you don't read their terms and conditions, and you start arguing with them until you decide to read the ToS again and you find out that it's different.

Some gambling websites consist of wicked owners that willingly plan to defraud their users using the ToS against them, or is this normal? Have such happened to anyone on this forum before?

Well, how exactly can such an act be normal? Of course it's not normal, and should be highly discouraged, and for whether any user on this forum has ever been affected by such act, I possibly can't tell, since I've never read any post concerning this before, but then I must say that such an act is a criminal offense, and any casino that does that and is caught should be punished severely for deter other from doing such as well, though I know it can only take a casino managed by scammers to pull such a stunt on its user(s).

Stake recently updated their terms and conditions, they made all their users accept the new terms and conditions before they are allowed into the site, that is what every reputable casino should always do anything they update their terms of service.

[Yatsan]

Changing of terms and conditions without notifying the users or gamblers is normal with online gambling websites? Then when you did something wrong or about to withdraw your money they will tell you that you don't read their terms and conditions, and you start arguing with them until you decide to read the ToS again and you find out that it's different.

Some gambling websites consist of wicked owners that willingly plan to defraud their users using the ToS against them, or is this normal? Have such happened to anyone on this forum before?

If it is stated that devs has the power to do so in the first place, then that's just fine. Problem here is gamblers or users of a platform not even reading the ToS but I bet most of us do, not only in gambling platform but to almost evrything that has it. We tend to just click agree. But on my end, I have no big expectations if I instantly agreed a ToS such that if anything bad happen in contrast with what I have agreed, I will just move to other platform. But ofcourse it won't be the same to all things ofcourse especially it money is involved.

it will make the case become more hard for the players since the casino already stated that and whatever their wish to, they will change the T&c to suit and favour themselves.
But I have not seen any casino that does that yet and including it in the terms of service will discourage potential players from using such casino.

As stated above, they can not do this. They can't simply change their terms of service overnight to win a dispute against one or some of their customers. A scam casino may do it but a reputable one will never do it. Besides, as I said above, even if they introduce some changes to their ToS, the changes aren't supposed to have a retro-active effect. So, it's not going to change anything.

ToS indeed should be something which is absolute but as I have said above, there are policies open for amendment which are sometimes mentioned in ToS, and that is to make changes with perhaps fees, if it is needed. Most of the time, this could be seen with unregistered gambling sites and with licensed ones, policies are fixed. Also, not all changes are subject for fraudalent behavior, some are for the platform itself.

[Saint-loup]

As stated above, they can not do this. They can't simply change their terms of service overnight to win a dispute against one or some of their customers. A scam casino may do it but a reputable one will never do it. Besides, as I said above, even if they introduce some changes to their ToS, the changes aren't supposed to have a retro-active effect. So, it's not going to change anything.

Yes I agree with you, from a legal standpoint additions and changes in ToS don't affect past transactions and agreements in theory, but how will you be able to oppose a former version of their ToS if it doesn't appear anymore on their website? They rarely keep the older ones available unfortunately. And I'm not sure a personal screenshot or backup is strong enough against a dishonest casino since they could dismiss it by saying there is no evidence that it hasn't been tampered by yourself.

[Quidat]

it will make the case become more hard for the players since the casino already stated that and whatever their wish to, they will change the T&c to suit and favour themselves.
But I have not seen any casino that does that yet and including it in the terms of service will discourage potential players from using such casino.

As stated above, they can not do this. They can't simply change their terms of service overnight to win a dispute against one or some of their customers. A scam casino may do it but a reputable one will never do it. Besides, as I said above, even if they introduce some changes to their ToS, the changes aren't supposed to have a retro-active effect. So, it's not going to change anything.

They might be able to done for a few times but on the time that they would get busted on what they've been doing these shady stuffs then for sure it would really be over on their business.
Altering out their terms and condition is simply not an ethical act to be done via some legit sites or you wouldnt really be considering yourself to be legit in the first place because this isnt a doing
for a legit and reputable gambling site just because they are really just trying out to avoid some huge payment and this is why they do make out some issue.
On the time that a certain gambling site would really be doing this and get caught then it would really be over for their business.Its not normal and its a scam
kind like of behavior and this is something that should really be a avoided on the first place.

[ethereumhunter]

Casino sites must notify users if the casino changes its terms and conditions to all its members because it is a form of service from the casino to its members. This can also provide comfort to its members and if they do not agree with the new rules of the casino, the members can do something like move to another casino or ask the support service.

But I think some casinos don't announce the new terms and conditions so many of the members are surprised and don't think that casinos are doing that. Stake recently updated their rules and notified them when users logged in to their accounts.

You’d be surprised on the amount of platforms and services related to gambling that do not send communications to their players regarding the change in their ToS. It is, IMO, a very unprofessional way of handling changes in the way the platform runs and it can also mean cheating the players as well. Also, a lot of players don’t dare check their emails for changes anyway, so that’s on them if something happened that they don’t know about especially if the platform sent email communications regarding the change that happened.

If the casino notifies them that there is a notification in the form of a pop-up that will come out when they are playing or logging in to their account, players will see it. But I think even though it's like that, it's unlikely that many players will read the ToS carefully because they will just scroll down and take the new rules for granted.

If players do not dare to check email, it is a mistake because it is their email and they should check their email if there is any notification from the casino. That will help them to know if there are changes to the ToS of each casino.

[so98nn]

If they are changing the ToS just like that then definitely it’s not normal but it’s open fraud. I hate to break it but that’s the reality we live in today. It’s not just about the gambling sites but most of financial related industries which are having this sort of problem. This is best way to avoid business losses and get rid of unwanted balance payments to be made. I’m sure this is what you talking about.

However, if you have archival reports of previous ToS and you signed up during that period then definitely you can file a suit against them. These are all the proofs you will need to go and get back what’s taken from you.

[adzino]

Changing of terms and conditions without notifying the users or gamblers is normal with online gambling websites? Then when you did something wrong or about to withdraw your money they will tell you that you don't read their terms and conditions, and you start arguing with them until you decide to read the ToS again and you find out that it's different.

Some gambling websites consist of wicked owners that willingly plan to defraud their users using the ToS against them, or is this normal? Have such happened to anyone on this forum before?

If its a major change, then yes, they will notify you about the changes. You will most likely receive an email or when the next time you enter their site, you are made to agree those terms again. I doubt any well known casino would want to "defraud" their customers by using their terms against them. They would be losing more customers than they would have scammed.
If something similar happened to you or "one of your friends" in a well known casino, then most likely the user didn't read the updates when they were notified.

[worle1bm]

I am also of the opinion that if casino is changing any rules in their T&C they should have a pop up menu coming up whenever a user login that conditions have been updated so have a look on them otherwise some might be gambling keeping in mind the old one's and casino can use it in their favour to safeguard them from any scam accusations without the knowledge of players.They should inform the players beforehand as it's also the sign of legit casino who gives transparency to players.

[Outhue]

The truth needs to be told, like, who still reads T&S this days? How many gamblers on this forum reads T&S from the beginning to the end? The numbers will be very limited that's why such casinos will win whenever they bring up any creepy claims.

This is also why it could be hard to trust a new online casino, I will always prefer to use old and not too old online casinos instead of new casinos because you don't know what they will do to users or how they will care for their customers and I am not ready to be the first batch of testers either.

I believe you won't have a problem if the online casino you use is a top one on the lists of reliable casinos, this is the only way to avoid bad online casinos that use the changing of rules in their T&S for time to time, it's creepy and uncool.

[avp2306]

I am also of the opinion that if casino is changing any rules in their T&C they should have a pop up menu coming up whenever a user login that conditions have been updated so have a look on them otherwise some might be gambling keeping in mind the old one's and casino can use it in their favour to safeguard them from any scam accusations without the knowledge of players.They should inform the players beforehand as it's also the sign of legit casino who gives transparency to players.

Agree with this or at least they should announce the updated TOS so that their user will be aware if there's changes and it will not create confusion in long run. They can also save up some time to explaining to people posting some allegation and they cannot use the claims that they don't know about those rules since they announce it for them to read.  Although this is not sign that they are legit but at least people can read about important things they need to follow and know what to avoid.

[rhomelmabini]

Changing of terms and conditions without notifying the users or gamblers is normal with online gambling websites?

I think there's something about a choice whether you'll receive or not the changes on these terms and conditions afaik but not entirely sure. I always put my notifs on and never have ever got any problem on this stuffs. I think this isn't normal if they are just updating it without anything that supports it like posting it on their social media or those who are on their email subscriptions list.

In reality even if these casinos tend to notify every members on their platform most won't give a time to open them up when needed, they'll just know it when there's something happen on their own accounts.

[mindrust]

If it was something like using multi acc, using VPN etc and it didn't caused any financial dmg then why seize the funds? It makes no sense. Some people use multi acc because they forget their old acc's password and create a new acc instead of trying to remember the pass of their old acc. Should the casino seize the money of this player? Of course no.

Sorry, but you are wrong. If a customer loses access to his account for whatever reason, then what he must do is to contact customer support and ask for them to help him recover his account or at least ask if it's OK to create a new account (alt) and abondon the first one. I took this example just to prove a point: if you break the ToS of any service then you are at fault regardless of your intentions.

You are technically right but we humans sometimes forget the things we don't really care about. I might lose the existence of my old casino account from 3 years ago for example. The casino will have the right to seize my funds just because I made another account by mistake? Is this what you are saying? The ToS says "don't use multiple accounts" but that don't give them the right to seize the funds of the player unless this act alone caused them any financial harm.

[summonerrk]

Changing of terms and conditions without notifying the users or gamblers is normal with online gambling websites? Then when you did something wrong or about to withdraw your money they will tell you that you don't read their terms and conditions, and you start arguing with them until you decide to read the ToS again and you find out that it's different.

Some gambling websites consist of wicked owners that willingly plan to defraud their users using the ToS against them, or is this normal? Have such happened to anyone on this forum before?

Of course, this is wrong, any changes on the part of the service must be agreed with the user.
Unfortunately, I myself have encountered a similar situation from the gambling service. At the same time, such a problem always occurs during the withdrawal of earned funds.

To avoid such a problem in the future, I advise you to save a pdf file of the terms of the user agreement (you) and the gambling site. This way it will always be possible to compare the old and the new agreement file and provide it to the support service in case of misunderstanding.

[dezoel]

No, it's not normal. Though most of the platforms or websites mentioned in their terms and conditions that they have all the rights to make any changes, add or remove or modify any rule from their terms and conditions without having to inform anyone. Usually, when there is a change in the privacy policy or terms and conditions, they send an email to notify their users along with the new and updated ToS or Privacy policies.

It's obviously unethical if they change something from it that directly or indirectly affects their users or gamblers, in that case, they are supposed to let their gamblers know right after the change is made so that they can change their practices and keep the change in their minds all the time.

[KiaKia]

If any one casino already have it in their terms and conditions that they can modify their ToS any time, that's a red flag and not safe to use, I will run away from such an online gambling platform because they can tramp on their users easily.

A online gambling platform that cares about their business and that of their customers must send out a notification via email address to all their users about the change of ToS and request them to go through the updates and changes before they start gambling starting from so and so date.

Because some users or customers might not like the new adjustments and they should be free to withdraw their funds and stop using the platform if they don't like the new rules of the platform.

If they can't do this, they can't be trusted.

[avp2306]

If any one casino already have it in their terms and conditions that they can modify their ToS any time, that's a red flag and not safe to use, I will run away from such an online gambling platform because they can tramp on their users easily.

Its big red flag since you can use that if someone wants to withdraw a huge money on their platform and tell that the user violate some rules written on their updated TOS. If we can see a casino doing this much better if we could just avoid them since for sure they are shady and will not deliver good experience to their gamblers.

I guess there are incident like this happen so we also need to be vigilant if this happened on the casino where we currently playing.

[Jody.Drummer]

No, it's not normal. Though most of the platforms or websites mentioned in their terms and conditions that they have all the rights to make any changes, add or remove or modify any rule from their terms and conditions without having to inform anyone. Usually, when there is a change in the privacy policy or terms and conditions, they send an email to notify their users along with the new and updated ToS or Privacy policies.

It's obviously unethical if they change something from it that directly or indirectly affects their users or gamblers, in that case, they are supposed to let their gamblers know right after the change is made so that they can change their practices and keep the change in their minds all the time.

While they do have the right to change their terms and conditions at any time, they also have the obligation to notify users in advance that they will change their terms and conditions. It's easy for them to do that if they are a gambling platform that doesn't want to give losses to the users. As you said, they can give a notification via e-mail, or they can make an announcement through their official account on social media that in the future and within the time they have determined they will update the terms and conditions.
But if the gambling platform has other intentions, or they plan to make users lose money, then they will do that at any time and without prior notification.

[xSkylarx]

That casino is not normal because usually if you are existing users they will send it to you via email the new ToS, or when you log back in to the casino a new ToS will be displayed and you will need to again agree to it. I am not sure what casino this is, but it is better to stay away from it. Also, also it is great to have a copy of the ToS every time you venture to another casino so that you have proof before and have a strong case with your problem.

[Porfirii]

If any one casino already have it in their terms and conditions that they can modify their ToS any time, that's a red flag and not safe to use, I will run away from such an online gambling platform because they can tramp on their users easily.

Its big red flag since you can use that if someone wants to withdraw a huge money on their platform and tell that the user violate some rules written on their updated TOS. If we can see a casino doing this much better if we could just avoid them since for sure they are shady and will not deliver good experience to their gamblers.

I guess there are incident like this happen so we also need to be vigilant if this happened on the casino where we currently playing.

In the last years I have witnessed a few cases where the ToS were changed without prior notice. In these cases, the terms and conditions stated that the casino could change the rules at any time without the need to notify users.

I have seen that other casinos set a 15 days period from the decision making to the implementation of the new rules, although I have reasonable doubts and I don't think that all users will check them twice a month for changes.

[Doan9269]

If any one casino already have it in their terms and conditions that they can modify their ToS any time, that's a red flag and not safe to use, I will run away from such an online gambling platform because they can tramp on their users easily.

Well this may actually be your own personal decision because to me i see it that it's more being professional that they had already stated it in their ToS than implementing what is not stated in there, ToS are meant to be considerable enough for the gambling platforms and the gamblers altogether, this mutual benefit must be established that no one is affected from ToS if ammeded or not.

A online gambling platform that cares about their business and that of their customers must send out a notification via email address to all their users about the change of ToS and request them to go through the updates and changes before they start gambling starting from so and so date.

Yes, at least one of the reasons for giving out informations on KYC request is to be able to communicate any change or development to users through their contacts provided or email address ised in registration, they are not to seek their consent or opinion, but to get gamblers informed on new developments.

[famososMuertos]

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The ToS has a gray color and it is usually an interpretation that tends to go to the casino side, yes, but they do notify you of a change in terms or conditions, it is very rare in a serious and prestigious casino,  I would say that it does not happen, at least in all the casinos where I have played.

Yes, it is a bad practice, but we know how to avoid it, look for serious casinos and businesses and with prestige, then, the result or solution to any situation that arises its the same as quality of the casino where you put your money.

[coinerer]

Changing of terms and conditions without notifying the users or gamblers is normal with online gambling websites? Then when you did something wrong or about to withdraw your money they will tell you that you don't read their terms and conditions, and you start arguing with them until you decide to read the ToS again and you find out that it's different.

Some gambling websites consist of wicked owners that willingly plan to defraud their users using the ToS against them, or is this normal? Have such happened to anyone on this forum before?

Gambling sites can change any of their rules with their official team but after the change they must inform all users through email or site notification to make everyone aware of the new rules.  But gambling sites will be held responsible if they hide it after changing their rules and users face problems unknowingly.  And for these activities their reputation will be damaged and they will lose many gamblers. and I don't think any reputable casino site would do such a thing.

[tusandii]

That casino is not normal because usually if you are existing users they will send it to you via email the new ToS, or when you log back in to the casino a new ToS will be displayed and you will need to again agree to it. I am not sure what casino this is, but it is better to stay away from it. Also, also it is great to have a copy of the ToS every time you venture to another casino so that you have proof before and have a strong case with your problem.

That is, if the old user does, the casino team will send via email or provide on the beginning page when accessing the site to agree to the new regulations.
But that's only for gamblers who are already old customers, while for new gamblers they have to read at the bottom of the site where there is a Tos that can be understood in its entirety so they know what the rules and regulations of the casino site are.
But I'm not sure there can be many new gamblers who want to do that.

[Strongkored]

Changing of terms and conditions without notifying the users or gamblers is normal with online gambling websites? Then when you did something wrong or about to withdraw your money they will tell you that you don't read their terms and conditions, and you start arguing with them until you decide to read the ToS again and you find out that it's different.

Some gambling websites consist of wicked owners that willingly plan to defraud their users using the ToS against them, or is this normal? Have such happened to anyone on this forum before?

Because you have mentioned the wicked owner, it is clear that only casinos or gambling sites that are made to cheat will do this, legit casinos will not possibly break the trust they have built just to trick users so they cannot make withdrawals. Sometimes we like to speculate about a lot of bad things about casinos but casinos are a business that have rules so we have to know and obey them and if the casino has been running long enough it's impossible for them to cheat in a sneaky way like you mentioned unless they really have a plan go as a scam because building a trust is not easy.
Some time ago, stake casino users, when logging in to their accounts, will be shown a message display that only if we scroll to the bottom and click the green button will be able to make us carry out activities on our account, but I'm sure that the length of the message that appears may not be 1% of users who will be willing to read because it's boring, so if we don't want to read casino rules then we must be prepared to accept all the risks that will be faced in the future regarding our account.

[Alisha-k]

Changing of terms and conditions without notifying the users or gamblers is normal with online gambling websites? Then when you did something wrong or about to withdraw your money they will tell you that you don't read their terms and conditions, and you start arguing with them until you decide to read the ToS again and you find out that it's different.

Some gambling websites consist of wicked owners that willingly plan to defraud their users using the ToS against them, or is this normal? Have such happened to anyone on this forum before?

I have never experienced this, a reputable casino, should not change their TOC, the can modify it and that's okay, because it still keeps the original agreement in check only that it was modify to be of better interest to either the customer or themselves and to better meet the societal standard of online casino's, so we should constantly make it a point of duty to check out on the TOC to be sure we're on track.

[avp2306]

If any one casino already have it in their terms and conditions that they can modify their ToS any time, that's a red flag and not safe to use, I will run away from such an online gambling platform because they can tramp on their users easily.

Its big red flag since you can use that if someone wants to withdraw a huge money on their platform and tell that the user violate some rules written on their updated TOS. If we can see a casino doing this much better if we could just avoid them since for sure they are shady and will not deliver good experience to their gamblers.

I guess there are incident like this happen so we also need to be vigilant if this happened on the casino where we currently playing.

In the last years I have witnessed a few cases where the ToS were changed without prior notice. In these cases, the terms and conditions stated that the casino could change the rules at any time without the need to notify users.

I have seen that other casinos set a 15 days period from the decision making to the implementation of the new rules, although I have reasonable doubts and I don't think that all users will check them twice a month for changes.

Since this is happening where changes sometimes made and casino didn't notify their user then its good to check if there's updated version of their TOS so that we can see if there's added restriction so that we can avoid it.

But for me if I know the casino I usually play changes the their TOS without any reason and if there's legitimate user get affected on their updates I will have doubt to come back at their site and maybe I will also warn my friends not to play on that casino due to that reason.

[Mauser]

Changing of terms and conditions without notifying the users or gamblers is normal with online gambling websites? Then when you did something wrong or about to withdraw your money they will tell you that you don't read their terms and conditions, and you start arguing with them until you decide to read the ToS again and you find out that it's different.

Some gambling websites consist of wicked owners that willingly plan to defraud their users using the ToS against them, or is this normal? Have such happened to anyone on this forum before?

I think it's not fair if online casinos change their ToS without notifying their customers, they should at least send an email to all the registered accounts informing them about the change. As for gamblers who play incognito it might be harder to make them aware of the changes. We should look at the changes of the ToS carefully to find out if this something deliberately done to undermine us gamblers or is just usual adjustments that happen from time to time. I would expect that in most cases the casino is not going to change the ToS only for one or two users. The big casinos have thousands of customers and would you really want to make them angry only to prevent a few users to withdraw their money? In case we missed some changes of the ToS there are some websites that save older internet versions, we could try and check the Wayback Machine for internet archives of the casino website.

[BenCodie]

Changing of terms and conditions without notifying the users or gamblers is normal with online gambling websites? Then when you did something wrong or about to withdraw your money they will tell you that you don't read their terms and conditions, and you start arguing with them until you decide to read the ToS again and you find out that it's different.

Some gambling websites consist of wicked owners that willingly plan to defraud their users using the ToS against them, or is this normal? Have such happened to anyone on this forum before?

Yes, unfortunately this is one of the dirty tricks that many casinos in this board use in order to profit from players illicitly. I've seen many complaints and accusations claiming that accounts have been locked/flagged with reference to ToS that did not previously exist. Most recently as far as I have seen, is the accusation of Kingrojie against Stake.com. There are many more like this.

It's wrong. It's fraud. A lot of the board are guilty and a lot of this casinos deserve to be boycotted.

That won't happen though.

[Porfirii]

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In the last years I have witnessed a few cases where the ToS were changed without prior notice. In these cases, the terms and conditions stated that the casino could change the rules at any time without the need to notify users.

I have seen that other casinos set a 15 days period from the decision making to the implementation of the new rules, although I have reasonable doubts and I don't think that all users will check them twice a month for changes.

Since this is happening where changes sometimes made and casino didn't notify their user then its good to check if there's updated version of their TOS so that we can see if there's added restriction so that we can avoid it.

But for me if I know the casino I usually play changes the their TOS without any reason and if there's legitimate user get affected on their updates I will have doubt to come back at their site and maybe I will also warn my friends not to play on that casino due to that reason.

You are right that it is good to periodically check if the TOS were updated, but almost nobody is willing to make such an effort to be honest.

About your doubts to come back and about warning your friends, I think that the intention of the casino when changing the terms is important: if they actively tried to notify (social media, email, banner in their site...) sufficiently in advance can't compare to treacherously changing a few words to catch users off guard, which I think is what the OP is denouncing.

[Doan9269]

Changing of terms and conditions without notifying the users or gamblers is normal with online gambling websites? Then when you did something wrong or about to withdraw your money they will tell you that you don't read their terms and conditions, and you start arguing with them until you decide to read the ToS again and you find out that it's different.

Some gambling websites consist of wicked owners that willingly plan to defraud their users using the ToS against them, or is this normal? Have such happened to anyone on this forum before?

Gambling sites can change any of their rules with their official team but after the change they must inform all users through email or site notification to make everyone aware of the new rules.  But gambling sites will be held responsible if they hide it after changing their rules and users face problems unknowingly.  And for these activities their reputation will be damaged and they will lose many gamblers. and I don't think any reputable casino site would do such a thing.

They have the right of course to make any changes but some of them would acted well and inform their gamblers on such changes while some gambling platforms will not inform anyone, this is why we havebto kmow the kind of gambling casino we are dealing with if reliable or not, also visit their ToS page occasionally to check if things have been ammeded or not, so this also depends on the operators and developers of such gambling platform, some knows what they are doing while others don't even care about any outcome received on the gambler's end, such casinos lack good organizations and i see no reason why they keep their gamblers KYC informations when they wouldn't make use of them in times like this.

[lienfaye]

Changing of terms and conditions without notifying the users or gamblers is normal with online gambling websites? Then when you did something wrong or about to withdraw your money they will tell you that you don't read their terms and conditions, and you start arguing with them until you decide to read the ToS again and you find out that it's different.

Some gambling websites consist of wicked owners that willingly plan to defraud their users using the ToS against them, or is this normal? Have such happened to anyone on this forum before?

Before we play on a casino it's important to read their ToS to know their rules and to prevent violating any of it. Well, the casino has the right to change their rules if necessary. However if they changed any of their rules, they need to notify their players to become aware of these changes. So the gambler can decide if they want to continue playing or switch to other casino because he/she is not comfortable with the added rules.

If the casino use these changes to defraud their players without notifying them after the changes are made then clearly it's not fair. I would be discourage to play on the particular casino if such issue happened.

[bitbunnny]

If any one casino already have it in their terms and conditions that they can modify their ToS any time, that's a red flag and not safe to use, I will run away from such an online gambling platform because they can tramp on their users easily.

Its big red flag since you can use that if someone wants to withdraw a huge money on their platform and tell that the user violate some rules written on their updated TOS. If we can see a casino doing this much better if we could just avoid them since for sure they are shady and will not deliver good experience to their gamblers.

I guess there are incident like this happen so we also need to be vigilant if this happened on the casino where we currently playing.

In the last years I have witnessed a few cases where the ToS were changed without prior notice. In these cases, the terms and conditions stated that the casino could change the rules at any time without the need to notify users.

I have seen that other casinos set a 15 days period from the decision making to the implementation of the new rules, although I have reasonable doubts and I don't think that all users will check them twice a month for changes.

That is true, most users will not check ToS that often if ever. But casinos only take advantage of regulation rules that allow them to be too much flexible and change their terms because of their own benefit not considering too much their customers. But it's take it or leave it situation, it's upon every one of us to make necessary background checks and choose carefully the casinos we want to spend our money.

[wiss19]

If any one casino already have it in their terms and conditions that they can modify their ToS any time, that's a red flag and not safe to use, I will run away from such an online gambling platform because they can tramp on their users easily.

A online gambling platform that cares about their business and that of their customers must send out a notification via email address to all their users about the change of ToS and request them to go through the updates and changes before they start gambling starting from so and so date.

Because some users or customers might not like the new adjustments and they should be free to withdraw their funds and stop using the platform if they don't like the new rules of the platform.

If they can't do this, they can't be trusted.

Well, the decision depends on us if we want to stick with a casino or not after reading their terms and conditions, because we can't really object against their actions and even if we do, that wouldn't really make a difference for them and they will still do whatever they want. That is basically the reason why every gamblers should first read the terms and conditions before using a platform.

A trusted and reputable casino that cares about their reputation more than anything would obviously make some change but they would notify their users beforehand or at least after the changes have been made.

[BobK71]

Changing of terms and conditions without notifying the users or gamblers is normal with online gambling websites? Then when you did something wrong or about to withdraw your money they will tell you that you don't read their terms and conditions, and you start arguing with them until you decide to read the ToS again and you find out that it's different.

Some gambling websites consist of wicked owners that willingly plan to defraud their users using the ToS against them, or is this normal? Have such happened to anyone on this forum before?

Gambling sites can change any of their rules with their official team but after the change they must inform all users through email or site notification to make everyone aware of the new rules.  But gambling sites will be held responsible if they hide it after changing their rules and users face problems unknowingly.  And for these activities their reputation will be damaged and they will lose many gamblers. and I don't think any reputable casino site would do such a thing.

They have the right of course to make any changes but some of them would acted well and inform their gamblers on such changes while some gambling platforms will not inform anyone, this is why we havebto kmow the kind of gambling casino we are dealing with if reliable or not, also visit their ToS page occasionally to check if things have been ammeded or not, so this also depends on the operators and developers of such gambling platform, some knows what they are doing while others don't even care about any outcome received on the gambler's end, such casinos lack good organizations and i see no reason why they keep their gamblers KYC informations when they wouldn't make use of them in times like this.

There is no alternative to a reputable casino for stress-free gambling and keeping personal information safe. But one of our problems is our greed for high benefits. and because of this we often face dangers and various problems. But as a conscious gambler we need to be careful in all our aspects.  Because if the core team changes the rules of the site and because of that we suddenly have to face a problem, then they don't care if we blame them ourselves. So it is foolish to be completely dependent on a site that they will notify us and we will always be suspicious. therefore, there is a possibility of financial risk, so we must always be on our guard

[noorman0]

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Some gambling websites consist of wicked owners that willingly plan to defraud their users using the ToS against them, or is this normal? Have such happened to anyone on this forum before?

I've never heard of this problem before and I don't think it ever happens to a reputable casino. For significant changes to the terms that the casino has the potential to encounter with loud protests or endless complaints, the casino will notify all places where users can find them immediately.

They may put disclaimers at risk regarding this matter, but they also have integrity that must be maintained.

[_act_]

That casino is not normal because usually if you are existing users they will send it to you via email the new ToS, or when you log back in to the casino a new ToS will be displayed and you will need to again agree to it. I am not sure what casino this is, but it is better to stay away from it. Also, also it is great to have a copy of the ToS every time you venture to another casino so that you have proof before and have a strong case with your problem.

Some people do overlook ToS, thinking they got no problem with it. What I have noticed on the websites that I have used and that I am using is that if they make amendments to their terms and conditions, they will notify users, and in a way they will put the link that you can click on that will direct the user to the terms and conditions which has been updated. It is possible that some people will not read it or do not noticed the email sent.

[summonerrk]

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I think it's bad if the services notify about changes in the user agreement only via email. It is necessary that they are not limited to this and a window appears when visiting the site. With an offer to accept or reject it. Because many emails are sent to spam, and so you can miss the key points of changes on the part of the gambling service.
And even if they do not get into spam, you can postpone such letters for later, and not remember about it.

[Wiwo]

Some people do overlook ToS, thinking they got no problem with it. What I have noticed on the websites that I have used and that I am using is that if they make amendments to their terms and conditions, they will notify users, and in a way they will put the link that you can click on that will direct the user to the terms and conditions which has been updated. It is possible that some people will not read it or do not notice the email sent.

Yeah, a lot of the issues that have been raised lately border around the negligence of the terms and conditions and the willingness of the player to take the time to read through the terms of service of most casinos, but then one needs to take into account the fact that some details need to be properly studied and understood so that the player can properly apply such terms to themselves while their use the casino.

[Peanutswar]

It's the responsibility of the casino to make sure their users are aware of the current updates in their terms and conditions, such as their Faqs or even in their announcement board, to make sure there's no possible conflict in the future; we know that the casino taking a step forward only with the players for one time checking of the ToS so the player ignores now how does it take and just of as is. For the player seems they still need to have responsible, too, if there's a chance to make sure there's an awareness about the updates.

In that case at the end once you have the proper proof you can prevent those casino wins the case. This thing screenshot is a must.

[Negotiation]

Many users find it normal to use the ToS, but before joining the casino, the sites should be thoroughly analyzed. Casinos can help players beat the living crap out of house edge but only if used well. Unfortunately, most players don't read the terms and conditions to learn the basic rules that guide these rewards. So don't be like them and follow the right strategies to enjoy a successful campaign before you place a bet, it is important to take a look at the odds. If the conditions are advanced later the risk will be less and everything can be mastered properly.

[macson]

Changing of terms and conditions without notifying the users or gamblers is normal with online gambling websites? Then when you did something wrong or about to withdraw your money they will tell you that you don't read their terms and conditions, and you start arguing with them until you decide to read the ToS again and you find out that it's different.

Some gambling websites consist of wicked owners that willingly plan to defraud their users using the ToS against them, or is this normal? Have such happened to anyone on this forum before?

changing the TOS is an act of fraud.  fortunately, bad events such as manipulation by gambling sites on their TOS have never happened to me, so far i have been very careful in choosing the gambling site that i will use, i only play on gambling sites that have a good reputation and only have a few complaints.  underestimating the TOS will only make a gambler lose money, remain critical and careful about the gambling sites that you will play or are currently playing. 

i always avoid playing on new gambling sites that are only trying to attract more of their customers from the bonuses or events they offer because usually most of them will only end up cheating customers.

[m2017]

Changing of terms and conditions without notifying the users or gamblers is normal with online gambling websites? Then when you did something wrong or about to withdraw your money they will tell you that you don't read their terms and conditions, and you start arguing with them until you decide to read the ToS again and you find out that it's different.

Some gambling websites consist of wicked owners that willingly plan to defraud their users using the ToS against them, or is this normal? Have such happened to anyone on this forum before?

Changing terms and conditions without notifying customers is commonplace in many areas, not only in gambling. It is impossible to call this the norm and I think it is completely wrong. If there is an agreement between the online gambling website and the player, then must adhere to this agreement. I believe that if the website changes the rules unilaterally, then the player has the right to either agree to the new conditions or not. But it almost always happens that online casinos don't give the right to choose and impose conditions without the consent of the player.

What can be done here? Just stop using the services of unscrupulous online gambling websites and look for an alternative.

Personally, nothing like this happened to me with gambling websites due to my little experience in this area, but I received such a surprise from the Internet provider, that's for sure.

There are always other options. If you don't like something, you can always find another service provider, be it an Internet service provider or an online casino.

[piebeyb]

changing the TOS is an act of fraud.  fortunately, bad events such as manipulation by gambling sites on their TOS have never happened to me, so far i have been very careful in choosing the gambling site that i will use, i only play on gambling sites that have a good reputation and only have a few complaints.  underestimating the TOS will only make a gambler lose money, remain critical and careful about the gambling sites that you will play or are currently playing. 

i always avoid playing on new gambling sites that are only trying to attract more of their customers from the bonuses or events they offer because usually most of them will only end up cheating customers.

Big gambling platform sites will not do that TOS changes, they know the rules maybe because they also have a license so you will be notified every time there is a change by the TOS, I have played on a big gambling platform and there are new terms that I have to agree to, I get notifications in the account me to agree to that.

If you play in a small casino or one that is still relatively new, it will be easy for them to make rules as they like so without the users knowing they change the TOS and then steal money from the user as if the user is wrong in this case, I think it's important to do research before playing gambling because big and reputable gambling platform sites are more recommended and also before playing always read their TOS.

[Webetcoins]

Changing of terms and conditions without notifying the users or gamblers is normal with online gambling websites? Then when you did something wrong or about to withdraw your money they will tell you that you don't read their terms and conditions, and you start arguing with them until you decide to read the ToS again and you find out that it's different.

Some gambling websites consist of wicked owners that willingly plan to defraud their users using the ToS against them, or is this normal? Have such happened to anyone on this forum before?

That's not a casino, that's a scam. Legitimate casinos would notify users of the changes in their ToS possibly weeks, maybe even months before they implement them. It's just something natural. If a casino didn't do so and updated them without notifying their users, I'd just leave since they've fully committed to scamming at least one person with that change.

Afaik there has been some people who were victims, I recall some of them provided proofs while others claimed to be victims but sadly no proof was shown. It is hard though since in the first place,  who takes a copy of the ToS of a casino? I certainly don't.

No it's not automatically called as a scam but this act is only normal. A company can truly change their terms as much as they can even without notifying their users but some casinos already give a warning about it so other users are also aware of that possibility but there might be some casinos who don't do that. This why some users are angry about them in case they can get affected by the change.

The solution is just stop playing there and make it a habit to check their terms next time to see if they have a rule about changing terms automatically. We don't usually take a copy of the TOS because it's a wall of text but maybe we will now do it, only to have an evidence in case the issue occurred later on.

[Fivestar4everMVP]

Many users find it normal to use the ToS, but before joining the casino, the sites should be thoroughly analyzed. Casinos can help players beat the living crap out of house edge but only if used well. Unfortunately, most players don't read the terms and conditions to learn the basic rules that guide these rewards. So don't be like them and follow the right strategies to enjoy a successful campaign before you place a bet, it is important to take a look at the odds. If the conditions are advanced later the risk will be less and everything can be mastered properly.

You are sure right,  please don't ask me how arrived at this estimation but, to be honest, over 90 percent of gambler and general internet users don't read terms of service of what ever platform they are joining, this is not something peculiar to gambling casino alone , and like a proverb say that people perish because they lack knowledge, some casinos, most especially the not so genuine ones will continue to find ways of manipulating their terms of service suit themselves and use against the players..
If only we can learn to make out some time to read and understand the terms of service  before engaging with the casino, I personally believe that most of the complaining about casinos here and there will reduce, because gamblers will easily know which casino to avoid and which to play on.

[danadc]

Changing of terms and conditions without notifying the users or gamblers is normal with online gambling websites? Then when you did something wrong or about to withdraw your money they will tell you that you don't read their terms and conditions, and you start arguing with them until you decide to read the ToS again and you find out that it's different.

Some gambling websites consist of wicked owners that willingly plan to defraud their users using the ToS against them, or is this normal? Have such happened to anyone on this forum before?

changing the TOS is an act of fraud.  fortunately, bad events such as manipulation by gambling sites on their TOS have never happened to me, so far i have been very careful in choosing the gambling site that i will use, i only play on gambling sites that have a good reputation and only have a few complaints.  underestimating the TOS will only make a gambler lose money, remain critical and careful about the gambling sites that you will play or are currently playing. 

i always avoid playing on new gambling sites that are only trying to attract more of their customers from the bonuses or events they offer because usually most of them will only end up cheating customers.

I did not know that changing the TOS was so bad, I thought that since they were a company they did not need to notify those things, I see it as something very much for the company without the need for the approval of any of the clients, of course if it is so I do not see it why it is approved, if things are done differently, for example that they change them and that they are going to harm the game directly with the players if it would be a violation, for example, that at the moment they withdraw their money they are charged a a much higher fee, that an additional charge is made for each game, in addition to doing things that harm the players with other types of things if it would be something illegal.

[milewilda]

Changing of terms and conditions without notifying the users or gamblers is normal with online gambling websites? Then when you did something wrong or about to withdraw your money they will tell you that you don't read their terms and conditions, and you start arguing with them until you decide to read the ToS again and you find out that it's different.

Some gambling websites consist of wicked owners that willingly plan to defraud their users using the ToS against them, or is this normal? Have such happened to anyone on this forum before?

changing the TOS is an act of fraud.  fortunately, bad events such as manipulation by gambling sites on their TOS have never happened to me, so far i have been very careful in choosing the gambling site that i will use, i only play on gambling sites that have a good reputation and only have a few complaints.  underestimating the TOS will only make a gambler lose money, remain critical and careful about the gambling sites that you will play or are currently playing. 

i always avoid playing on new gambling sites that are only trying to attract more of their customers from the bonuses or events they offer because usually most of them will only end up cheating customers.

I did not know that changing the TOS was so bad, I thought that since they were a company they did not need to notify those things, I see it as something very much for the company without the need for the approval of any of the clients, of course if it is so I do not see it why it is approved, if things are done differently, for example that they change them and that they are going to harm the game directly with the players if it would be a violation, for example, that at the moment they withdraw their money they are charged a a much higher fee, that an additional charge is made for each game, in addition to doing things that harm the players with other types of things if it would be something illegal.

For some minimal changes which it wouldnt really be that significant or could affect out their users then it would really be just that fine that they wouldnt really be making out those announcement but if this is something which a huge alteration then it is really just that fair and right for them to tell about their users or the public about such change rather than on unfairly be making up some alterations just because
they are really not tending on paying up someone or having those who do hit up big. This is actually a scammy behavior or something do talks about a site which cant really be trusted.
If there are moments which things turns out to be proven out that they are really have changed their TOS for such manner or simply the public wasnt aware then its better to leave out this platform and look for another one. You cant really ensure out the fairness of this platform plus there are lots of good choices in the market which you could choose from.

[PX-Z]

Changing of terms and conditions without notifying the users or gamblers is normal with online gambling websites? Then when you did something wrong or about to withdraw your money they will tell you that you don't read their terms and conditions, and you start arguing with them until you decide to read the ToS again and you find out that it's different.

Its a common law to notify its users whenever there's a chance of terms, because its like a contract between the users and business provider. If they never notify its users then the changes of the term cannot be execute or followed, and wont take effect.
Its users can file a case against the service whenever users are violated because of the changed terms so feel free to execute your rights.

[xSkylarx]

That casino is not normal because usually if you are existing users they will send it to you via email the new ToS, or when you log back in to the casino a new ToS will be displayed and you will need to again agree to it. I am not sure what casino this is, but it is better to stay away from it. Also, also it is great to have a copy of the ToS every time you venture to another casino so that you have proof before and have a strong case with your problem.

Some people do overlook ToS, thinking they got no problem with it. What I have noticed on the websites that I have used and that I am using is that if they make amendments to their terms and conditions, they will notify users, and in a way they will put the link that you can click on that will direct the user to the terms and conditions which has been updated. It is possible that some people will not read it or do not noticed the email sent.

That is really the problem of the gambler , but OP I think he reads it that is why he noticed it but again it is very fishy to the casino that it ain't telling the gamblers that they changed their ToS and also if there are amendments it means that the gamblers needed to agree again ,so they should read it whats new because it became voided the ToS, so still its either the gamblers fault or the casino one but with kind of issues it is better to stay away if you feel cheated in this kind of instances as for sure you wont win a dispute between them

[ultrloa]

That casino is not normal because usually if you are existing users they will send it to you via email the new ToS, or when you log back in to the casino a new ToS will be displayed and you will need to again agree to it. I am not sure what casino this is, but it is better to stay away from it. Also, also it is great to have a copy of the ToS every time you venture to another casino so that you have proof before and have a strong case with your problem.

Some people do overlook ToS, thinking they got no problem with it. What I have noticed on the websites that I have used and that I am using is that if they make amendments to their terms and conditions, they will notify users, and in a way they will put the link that you can click on that will direct the user to the terms and conditions which has been updated. It is possible that some people will not read it or do not noticed the email sent.

That is really the problem of the gambler , but OP I think he reads it that is why he noticed it but again it is very fishy to the casino that it ain't telling the gamblers that they changed their ToS and also if there are amendments it means that the gamblers needed to agree again ,so they should read it whats new because it became voided the ToS, so still its either the gamblers fault or the casino one but with kind of issues it is better to stay away if you feel cheated in this kind of instances as for sure you wont win a dispute between them

Especially when there's a big claims of prizes then suddenly they change the TOS to avoid or declared the winner as a cheater then for that they can be determine as scam immediately since they done that on purpose. For minimal situation will its still tolerable but at least they explain to their community when someone ask so that questions on mind by those people who doubt will be clear and people can get an answer regarding on the updates they've done.

[Hypnosis00]

Changing of terms and conditions without notifying the users or gamblers is normal with online gambling websites? Then when you did something wrong or about to withdraw your money they will tell you that you don't read their terms and conditions, and you start arguing with them until you decide to read the ToS again and you find out that it's different.

Some gambling websites consist of wicked owners that willingly plan to defraud their users using the ToS against them, or is this normal? Have such happened to anyone on this forum before?

They are not notifying users, but those Terms of Service (TOS) should apply to every gambler, not just certain individuals, in order to prevent them from being restricted from withdrawing money. If they are a legitimate gambling site, they would not create a TOS that is illegal. Therefore, any changes to the TOS should be considered legal. If we encounter issues due to the TOS, it is highly likely that what we are doing is not legal or ethical.

[ethereumhunter]

Changing of terms and conditions without notifying the users or gamblers is normal with online gambling websites? Then when you did something wrong or about to withdraw your money they will tell you that you don't read their terms and conditions, and you start arguing with them until you decide to read the ToS again and you find out that it's different.

Its a common law to notify its users whenever there's a chance of terms, because its like a contract between the users and business provider. If they never notify its users then the changes of the term cannot be execute or followed, and wont take effect.
Its users can file a case against the service whenever users are violated because of the changed terms so feel free to execute your rights.

But when the casino doesn't notify about changes in the rules and many users complain, the casino usually ignores it. It might even be possible to block or close a gambling account for someone complaining about a change in the rules. And maybe it's already happened in the casinos out there but no one has managed to get what they should. If this happens to us, we should ask the casino why they didn't inform their users. It's a form of disguised fraud so users feel the casino has deceived them. But let's hope that doesn't happen to the casinos in this forum because it can lose our trust in the casino.

[LDL]

Changing of terms and conditions without notifying the users or gamblers is normal with online gambling websites? Then when you did something wrong or about to withdraw your money they will tell you that you don't read their terms and conditions, and you start arguing with them until you decide to read the ToS again and you find out that it's different.

Some gambling websites consist of wicked owners that willingly plan to defraud their users using the ToS against them, or is this normal? Have such happened to anyone on this forum before?

In case of change of rules and regulations in casino or gambling sites, users should be notified in advance by notification or pin message. I faced into a similar condition a long time ago where I faced quite a lot of trouble while withdrawing. They changed withdrawal terms and conditions but did not give any notification so I resolved the issue by contacting live support. Since then I do not take any action without understanding the terms and conditions of any gambling or casino site.

[pawanjain]

Changing of terms and conditions without notifying the users or gamblers is normal with online gambling websites? Then when you did something wrong or about to withdraw your money they will tell you that you don't read their terms and conditions, and you start arguing with them until you decide to read the ToS again and you find out that it's different.

Some gambling websites consist of wicked owners that willingly plan to defraud their users using the ToS against them, or is this normal? Have such happened to anyone on this forum before?

I haven't heard of any case till date where the terms and conditions were changed without notice to their users and then any user was in trouble because of that.
Whenever there are any changes in any terms or conditions then their users are sent a notice through email of the same.
The email shares the changes or link to the new terms and conditions and this is done so that the users are aware of the new terms.
If any site is not following this approach then the site owners are at fault.

[Lida93]

Changing of terms and conditions without notifying the users or gamblers is normal with online gambling websites? Then when you did something wrong or about to withdraw your money they will tell you that you don't read their terms and conditions, and you start arguing with them until you decide to read the ToS again and you find out that it's different.

It shouldn't be something we consider to be normal cause it's really not normally at all that a gambling site or any site at all would make changes to their ToS and wouldn't see the need to bring such changes to the awareness of their users. Such could be referred to as fraudulent act cause it's deceptive of the user's intelligence.

Only a few gambling sites understands so well the importance of reputation and upholds it while others flagrantly behave as they which in their race to make profit at all cost. No wonder so many only gambling sites are shutting down cause their repute has been trampled on by their unethical ways of doing business that have driven away both old and new users.

Some gambling websites consist of wicked owners that willingly plan to defraud their users using the ToS against them, or is this normal? Have such happened to anyone on this forum before?

I haven't had such case with any of the gambling sites am currently using, but it would be helpful if other gamblers bring to the notice of the public about such sites for the sake of awareness.

[leonair]

Changing of terms and conditions without notifying the users or gamblers is normal with online gambling websites? Then when you did something wrong or about to withdraw your money they will tell you that you don't read their terms and conditions, and you start arguing with them until you decide to read the ToS again and you find out that it's different.

Some gambling websites consist of wicked owners that willingly plan to defraud their users using the ToS against them, or is this normal? Have such happened to anyone on this forum before?

I haven't heard of any case till date where the terms and conditions were changed without notice to their users and then any user was in trouble because of that.
Whenever there are any changes in any terms or conditions then their users are sent a notice through email of the same.
The email shares the changes or link to the new terms and conditions and this is done so that the users are aware of the new terms.
If any site is not following this approach then the site owners are at fault.

A good casino site always informs the users through email after changing their rules but it is our fault that we do not read the incoming emails regularly due to which none of the important emails are lost and that is why we face various problems. But even if those problems are due to our unconsciousness, we then blame others. All casino sites want to maintain their reputation and make a real and big business. So they are very careful in these cases.

[dezoel]

Changing of terms and conditions without notifying the users or gamblers is normal with online gambling websites? Then when you did something wrong or about to withdraw your money they will tell you that you don't read their terms and conditions, and you start arguing with them until you decide to read the ToS again and you find out that it's different.

Its a common law to notify its users whenever there's a chance of terms, because its like a contract between the users and business provider. If they never notify its users then the changes of the term cannot be execute or followed, and wont take effect.
Its users can file a case against the service whenever users are violated because of the changed terms so feel free to execute your rights.

Can a user actually file a case against a casino only because they didn't notify them for modifying the terms and conditions? I don't really thing that's a thing, because most of the casino platforms mention in their terms and conditions that they have all the rights to make changes, add more rules, or modify an existing one whenever they deem right, and in that way, a user doesn't have much of a say in it.

I understand that it is unethical for a platform to make a change in its terms and conditions that will directly affect its users or their activities and still don't notify them but I don't think that a user has much to do in such a case apart from leaving the platform for good.

[_act_]

Especially when there's a big claims of prizes then suddenly they change the TOS to avoid or declared the winner as a cheater then for that they can be determine as scam immediately since they done that on purpose. For minimal situation will its still tolerable but at least they explain to their community when someone ask so that questions on mind by those people who doubt will be clear and people can get an answer regarding on the updates they've done.

Since when I have been gambling, I have not seen this before. I mean for a gambler to win and the gambling site changed their terms and conditions so that the gambler will not be favoured. I have not seen anything like that before. What I have noticed is that if the terms and conditions is altered, their customers will be notified.

But we should use a better gambling site, a trustworthy one that people around you are recommending. As long as you keep to the terms and conditions that you read, you have no problem.

[Hamphser]

Changing of terms and conditions without notifying the users or gamblers is normal with online gambling websites? Then when you did something wrong or about to withdraw your money they will tell you that you don't read their terms and conditions, and you start arguing with them until you decide to read the ToS again and you find out that it's different.

Its a common law to notify its users whenever there's a chance of terms, because its like a contract between the users and business provider. If they never notify its users then the changes of the term cannot be execute or followed, and wont take effect.
Its users can file a case against the service whenever users are violated because of the changed terms so feel free to execute your rights.

Can a user actually file a case against a casino only because they didn't notify them for modifying the terms and conditions? I don't really thing that's a thing, because most of the casino platforms mention in their terms and conditions that they have all the rights to make changes, add more rules, or modify an existing one whenever they deem right, and in that way, a user doesn't have much of a say in it.

I understand that it is unethical for a platform to make a change in its terms and conditions that will directly affect its users or their activities and still don't notify them but I don't think that a user has much to do in such a case apart from leaving the platform for good.

You would rather just simply choose on leaving and dont mind about the money that had been spent out but if you do have the proper funding or financial then you could  really push up and file a case against but

we know that it isnt something that good idea on doing so if we do look about the funds would be used then its not something worth for you to mind off and fight for.If we do see that there's really that sudden
change of their TOS then there's nothing we can do about it but to move on because if we do tend to fight for it then it would really be money consuming and you wouldnt really be sure
that you would really be winning the case. This is why its pointless.

In overall, having this kind of TOS changing thing is a shady act to be done and its not something a doing with a legit casino but hey we cant really be so sure that they wouldnt really be doing
these potential actions but this would be unlikely on speaking with those known and popular sites.

[Odusko]

Especially when there's a big claims of prizes then suddenly they change the TOS to avoid or declared the winner as a cheater then for that they can be determine as scam immediately since they done that on purpose. For minimal situation will its still tolerable but at least they explain to their community when someone ask so that questions on mind by those people who doubt will be clear and people can get an answer regarding on the updates they've done.

Since when I have been gambling, I have not seen this before. I mean for a gambler to win and the gambling site changed their terms and conditions so that the gambler will not be favoured. I have not seen anything like that before. What I have noticed is that if the terms and conditions is altered, their customers will be notified.

But we should use a better gambling site, a trustworthy one that people around us are recommending. As long as you keep to the terms and conditions that you read, you have no problem.

We are not familiar with this kind of practice in any way and I have not seen a proven case of such where the casino suddenly change the rule just to favour themselves the first time I am hearing that is now in this thread where the ops mentioned his problem and since he did not back this up with any evidence it shows that there is little we can contribute to this situation and if all things being equal,  we expect to see an update from the ops regarding this development if he has anything to further contribute or add to the already existing details that can help our discussion more.

[PX-Z]

Changing of terms and conditions without notifying the users or gamblers is normal with online gambling websites? Then when you did something wrong or about to withdraw your money they will tell you that you don't read their terms and conditions, and you start arguing with them until you decide to read the ToS again and you find out that it's different.

Its a common law to notify its users whenever there's a chance of terms, because its like a contract between the users and business provider. If they never notify its users then the changes of the term cannot be execute or followed, and wont take effect.
Its users can file a case against the service whenever users are violated because of the changed terms so feel free to execute your rights.

Can a user actually file a case against a casino only because they didn't notify them for modifying the terms and conditions? I don't really thing that's a thing, because most of the casino platforms mention in their terms and conditions that they have all the rights to make changes, add more rules, or modify an existing one whenever they deem right, and in that way, a user doesn't have much of a say in it.

Yes, it's considered as a breach of contract. Any casino can change and modify its terms anytime they like, but they are oblige to let their users know the new terms or the new "contract", because you can disagree with it and leave the site if you don't agree the changes, like they require to agree the terms upon registration.

You can file a case if you have proof that you are not informed about the terms, the accused will be then defend your accusations. Because usually, reputed casino always informed its users by mail, it even has a banner on the site that there are changes on its terms. And they informed its users a head of time usually its weeks to seven days, because they are required to do it.

[RILWAN]

Some casinos have been known for scams and even though the player did not violate any of their rules, they still find a way to still take the deposits without any possible reason and if the players don't have strong evidence, to support their case they could go scot free but if there is evidence then the ops may have a case against the casino.

[Mr. Magkaisa]

     -   I haven't been able to play gambling for quite some time now, a few weeks, so every time I play, I don't check to see if anything has been changed in their rules. Because the last time I won crypto gambling, I didn't see any problem and I was able to withdraw the money I won which was not much.

Perhaps, other gamblers like me don't notice this, but of course it's still better to verify their clients so that they are also aware in case they have a withdrawal issue so they don't have to ask the their support.

[delfastTions]

     -   I haven't been able to play gambling for quite some time now, a few weeks, so every time I play, I don't check to see if anything has been changed in their rules. Because the last time I won crypto gambling, I didn't see any problem and I was able to withdraw the money I won which was not much.

Perhaps, other gamblers like me don't notice this, but of course it's still better to verify their clients so that they are also aware in case they have a withdrawal issue so they don't have to ask the their support.

In general, well-known casinos that have been operating on the market for a long time, in the case when you have passed the KYC procedure, which was introduced by almost all of these casinos, fulfilling the requirements of the law and the relevant requirements of local regulators, always notify players about serious changes in TOS. 
This is usually done by sending email notifications.  And sometimes the SMS is even duplicated if you have provided the casino with your mobile phone number.  When playing in such casinos, of course, you can not watch TOS every time you visit their site.  However, not all casinos do this.  Those who are smaller and not as friendly to their customers may not send out information about significant TOS changes. 
The main issue that is regulated and that is important for all players is, of course, the issue of withdrawing your funds, especially in the event of your big win.  And everything related to such an operation.  Amount limit, need for re-KYC, fee amounts, etc.

[Negotiation]

Some casinos have been known for scams and even though the player did not violate any of their rules, they still find a way to still take the deposits without any possible reason and if the players don't have strong evidence, to support their case they could go scot free but if there is evidence then the ops may have a case against the casino.

Even if you file a case against the casino, it takes a long time and it is very difficult to get the correct information from them. Due to the stiff competition for players, many legitimate casinos offer bonuses to both new and existing players. Reconsider when the deal looks very attractive scam casinos usually offer mouth watering bonuses, only asking the recipient player to make a deposit before receiving the prize. Worse, the wagering requirements may be disabled fraudulent casinos hide in their bonus schemes.

[Mr. Magkaisa]

     -   If a casino wants to change their Tos, I think it's their right because they are the ones who oversee it. And only us gamblers have nothing to do but follow it and play on their platform.

So it's normal in my opinion. It's not againts and I also think that I don't see anything wrong with something like this. Toss has a gambling casino. It's only us gamblers who probably give it a bad meaning, after all we are not forced to play on their platform casino.

[davis196]

Changing of terms and conditions without notifying the users or gamblers is normal with online gambling websites? Then when you did something wrong or about to withdraw your money they will tell you that you don't read their terms and conditions, and you start arguing with them until you decide to read the ToS again and you find out that it's different.

Some gambling websites consist of wicked owners that willingly plan to defraud their users using the ToS against them, or is this normal? Have such happened to anyone on this forum before?

Every online service(including online casinos) must be required by the law to notify their customers when there are changes in the Terms of Service. The customers must agree to the changes of the ToS, if they don't, they are free to leave that particular platform and close their accounts. I agree that some shady online casinos are using their ToS as an excuse to scam their gamblers. This is terrible, but we can't find a way to stop those casinos from doing such things. Maybe the only way would be to spread awareness about which casinos act shady and against which casinos the gamblers have the most negative reviews. Perhaps decentralized gambling might become the new norm after several years and the gamblers would just gamble by using their own cold wallets, instead of sending coins to a centralized entity.

[Wapfika]

     -   If a casino wants to change their Tos, I think it's their right because they are the ones who oversee it. And only us gamblers have nothing to do but follow it and play on their platform.

So it's normal in my opinion. It's not againts and I also think that I don't see anything wrong with something like this. Toss has a gambling casino. It's only us gamblers who probably give it a bad meaning, after all we are not forced to play on their platform casino.

It's really normal for a casino to change ToS without any notice to players but the main point of discussion here is the change of ToS just to use it against the existing case of user. It's not ethical to change ToS just to have an advantage over the players since it's like bullying players without a chance to explain. The good news is, Only shady casino do this kind of trick while the rest of the reputable casino don't modify their ToS for the purpose of taking advantage on someone case or to prevent someone to withdraw profit.

[danadc]

     -   If a casino wants to change their Tos, I think it's their right because they are the ones who oversee it. And only us gamblers have nothing to do but follow it and play on their platform.

So it's normal in my opinion. It's not againts and I also think that I don't see anything wrong with something like this. Toss has a gambling casino. It's only us gamblers who probably give it a bad meaning, after all we are not forced to play on their platform casino.

It's really normal for a casino to change ToS without any notice to players but the main point of discussion here is the change of ToS just to use it against the existing case of user. It's not ethical to change ToS just to have an advantage over the players since it's like bullying players without a chance to explain. The good news is, Only shady casino do this kind of trick while the rest of the reputable casino don't modify their ToS for the purpose of taking advantage on someone case or to prevent someone to withdraw profit.

When Coughs are exchanged for just one user, that is frowned upon, and it is also unethical and speaks very badly of a casino, and it also has to demonstrate that they do not have enough capital to be able to face the losses of a casino, and I think that a casino can change all its Tos but when there is no associated case it is the most illogical thing I can see and perceive from a casino, very poorly done, also if I see something like this happen in a casino I don't play or go near it again, because that It is something that is not right, that they do not deserve to be clients because the casino moves its rules at its convenience , and if they do it that way it is because they are not honest.

[QueenVera]

Any casino that intentionally  tempers with their terms and conditions  without informing  their customers  is a clear scam and there is no way a reputation  casino  would want to temper with their  terms of services simply because of a particular  user which isn't right.
The moment  any of this act is noticed  then legal actions should be taken on those casinos.

Some gambling websites consist of wicked owners that willingly plan to defraud their users using the ToS against them, or is this normal? Have such happened to anyone on this forum before?

The site have the right to change their ToS when deemed necessary but of course they have to notify everyone with regards to this one and give time to the gamblers to adjust accordingly.

The site has every right to change their term of service at anytime  but that should be done after notifying their customers and not just doing so without any prior  announcement  and suddenly  blame the gambler when a rule is been broken unintentionally.

[pawel7777]

     -   If a casino wants to change their Tos, I think it's their right because they are the ones who oversee it. And only us gamblers have nothing to do but follow it and play on their platform.

So it's normal in my opinion. It's not againts and I also think that I don't see anything wrong with something like this. Toss has a gambling casino. It's only us gamblers who probably give it a bad meaning, after all we are not forced to play on their platform casino.

Terms and Conditions are a form of agreement between the platform operator and the user. When you sign up, you agree to certain terms (in theory, in practice - no one reads that), so when the casino decides to change their T&Cs even a little bit, they should properly inform all the users and give them the option to opt-out and withdraw if they don't agree with the changes.

It's sad to see how people seem to be thinking that casinos have some sort of position of authority over players and they can do whatever they want. Casinos and players are equal parties to the agreement and both have their rights.
Also - as I said multiple times before, Terms of Service do not supersede the law.

[Odusko]

Only gambling sites like 1xbit will steal players' money and change the term and conditions I don't have any record of past accusations against them but then there is a high possibility of that happening at some point.
But at the same time any casino that suddenly change their TOS is tend to scam it users and each and every one should stay away from such casinos.

[stomachgrowls]

     -   If a casino wants to change their Tos, I think it's their right because they are the ones who oversee it. And only us gamblers have nothing to do but follow it and play on their platform.

So it's normal in my opinion. It's not againts and I also think that I don't see anything wrong with something like this. Toss has a gambling casino. It's only us gamblers who probably give it a bad meaning, after all we are not forced to play on their platform casino.

Terms and Conditions are a form of agreement between the platform operator and the user. When you sign up, you agree to certain terms (in theory, in practice - no one reads that), so when the casino decides to change their T&Cs even a little bit, they should properly inform all the users and give them the option to opt-out and withdraw if they don't agree with the changes.

It's sad to see how people seem to be thinking that casinos have some sort of position of authority over players and they can do whatever they want. Casinos and players are equal parties to the agreement and both have their rights.
Also - as I said multiple times before, Terms of Service do not supersede the law.

But we know that most of us would really be having no time on reading up those long pile of text on the time that we do make out some register on a certain platform or casino on which it would really be just that normal
that it is really that necessary to read up so that you've been aware on what are the dos and dont's of a certain platform but since every one of them does have that kind of similar words been stated and this is why i couldnt really blame out someone on why they would really be just simply ignoring these words and assume that it is really just the same when it comes to rules and conditions.

We should really make ourselves that think that we know that there might be some changes when it comes to terms which we might be able to miss out on reading it on. On the time
that there's some claim that you are going against their ToS then there's nothing you can fight on because you dont even know on what their TOS are and on the time that they would be shooting up
those issues then there's no much that you can do.

[Hispo]

Only gambling sites like 1xbit will steal players' money and change the term and conditions I don't have any record of past accusations against them but then there is a high possibility of that happening at some point.
But at the same time any casino that suddenly change their TOS is tend to scam it users and each and every one should stay away from such casinos.

I think that 1xbit has reached to the point that they do not even try to have any aura of legitimacy anymore and mess with the own Terms of Service to bend the situations in their favor. As far as I am aware they go with the usual money grab and them sending the same canned emails on "endind their collaboration"  

That is why I would advice anyone who wants to have a seamless experience from the get go, to try a reliable place or casino, instead venturing from the beginning to small and unknown platforms.

[BitcoinPanther]

Some gambling websites consist of wicked owners that willingly plan to defraud their users using the ToS against them, or is this normal? Have such happened to anyone on this forum before?

Modifying TOS just to suite the gambling casinos accusation on players isn't a normal thing to happen.  Only shrewd and scammer do this kind of tactics.  If you observe how reputable casino address they change of term and service, they either create a pop up on their website or email their users about the changes.  Reputable Casino thinks that it is ethical to inform  clients of possible changes in the terms and agreement besides, it is their responsibility to inform players of the changes in TOS.

[khaled0111]

We are not familiar with this kind of practice in any way and I have not seen a proven case of such where the casino suddenly change the rule just to favour themselves

Unfortunately this has happened before and it's still happening. I remember a case where the casino changed their ToS just after the gambler started complaining and opened a scam accusation thread against them. Fortunately, he's archived their ToS pages minutes before they updated it.
If he didn't've done that then no one would support his case. Thus is why I always encourage everyone to read the ToS and always make a copy of it (archive it). It's the contract between you and the service, they have no right to change it without notifying you.

[Wiwo]

Terms of Services can be changed at anytime but if a casino will not notify its users so users will leave their casinos so any good company never try to lose its users.
By the way in my view mostly people don't read the full ToS they just touch the accept button and go a head and start using the services. By the way the casinos, not only casinos every company should notify its users about changing ToS.

If casino  decide the rules for the players, who make the rule for the casino, this is what we need to settle properly before making the final statement on whether or not the casino has the right to change the TOS because that will be a breeze of their contract with the player.

But we have seen cases of this abuse from the casino several times and in most cases, the casino that involves in this kind of scheme are always those with questionable reputations.

[Desmong]

It is very wrong for a gambling platform to change there terms and conditions without notifying there customers so they can check it and make adjustment to the way they gamble if it is necessary. It is wickedness for a company to change there terms and conditions without notifying there customers. Many casinos do this to deprive gamblers of there right.

[pawel7777]

But we know that most of us would really be having no time on reading up those long pile of text on the time that we do make out some register on a certain platform or casino on which it would really be just that normal
that it is really that necessary to read up so that you've been aware on what are the dos and dont's of a certain platform but since every one of them does have that kind of similar words been stated and this is why i couldnt really blame out someone on why they would really be just simply ignoring these words and assume that it is really just the same when it comes to rules and conditions.

We should really make ourselves that think that we know that there might be some changes when it comes to terms which we might be able to miss out on reading it on. On the time
that there's some claim that you are going against their ToS then there's nothing you can fight on because you dont even know on what their TOS are and on the time that they would be shooting up
those issues then there's no much that you can do.

I don't think I've ever read a full ToS of any service in my life. If I do go there at all, it's usually just to find some specific information I'm interested in.
If you live in a somewhat civilised country with decent customer protection laws, and you use a service that complies with those laws - then there's very little need of reading ToS at all, as you know you are protected by laws anyway, so you won't get outright defrauded.
But if choose to use a service of a business that operates outside of your (or any) jurisdiction, and they give themselves a right to change their ToS without any notice - then reading them is pretty pointless, as they could change them at whim.

[macson]

Some gambling websites consist of wicked owners that willingly plan to defraud their users using the ToS against them, or is this normal? Have such happened to anyone on this forum before?

Modifying TOS just to suite the gambling casinos accusation on players isn't a normal thing to happen.  Only shrewd and scammer do this kind of tactics.  If you observe how reputable casino address they change of term and service, they either create a pop up on their website or email their users about the changes.  Reputable Casino thinks that it is ethical to inform  clients of possible changes in the terms and agreement besides, it is their responsibility to inform players of the changes in TOS.

that's right, some of the big crypto gambling sites that i follow keep on sending emails to me about things related to changes that occur on their betting sites such as events or other changes.  but for gambling sites that have bad intentions, they will not send customers about these changes, they will use various ways to get big profits in sneaky ways such as deceiving players who are playing on their site.

[AmoreJaz]

Some gambling websites consist of wicked owners that willingly plan to defraud their users using the ToS against them, or is this normal? Have such happened to anyone on this forum before?

Modifying TOS just to suite the gambling casinos accusation on players isn't a normal thing to happen.  Only shrewd and scammer do this kind of tactics.  If you observe how reputable casino address they change of term and service, they either create a pop up on their website or email their users about the changes.  Reputable Casino thinks that it is ethical to inform  clients of possible changes in the terms and agreement besides, it is their responsibility to inform players of the changes in TOS.

that's right, some of the big crypto gambling sites that i follow keep on sending emails to me about things related to changes that occur on their betting sites such as events or other changes.  but for gambling sites that have bad intentions, they will not send customers about these changes, they will use various ways to get big profits in sneaky ways such as deceiving players who are playing on their site.

legit casinos would always give a heads up to their patrons no matter what changes they want to implement on their site. even if we say, most players won't bother reading those notifications, still it is their duty to distribute the communication to their customers.
some casinos also have their pop-ups stating that they have some changes with their terms once you get in their site and you are accepting it. just to make sure their players are aware of such modifications.
but if you are running a fly-by-night casino, you would put the blame to your players about their ignorance of such changes, even if the site has some shortcomings of information dissemination.

[Wexnident]

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No it's not automatically called as a scam but this act is only normal. A company can truly change their terms as much as they can even without notifying their users but some casinos already give a warning about it so other users are also aware of that possibility but there might be some casinos who don't do that. This why some users are angry about them in case they can get affected by the change.

The solution is just stop playing there and make it a habit to check their terms next time to see if they have a rule about changing terms automatically. We don't usually take a copy of the TOS because it's a wall of text but maybe we will now do it, only to have an evidence in case the issue occurred later on.

For real? I mean if the ToS has a line in it then I guess it's reasonable for them to just update it without informing their users (or asking for their agreement again whenever they change it) but isn't "updating" their users about changes something required for businesses to have? It is something like a contract between the user and the website/casino after all, albeit an online one. I don't have one so I don't really know about it though.

As for those who use it, well, the moment they used it they were pushed out of "legal" businesses in my mind though.

[dunfida]

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No it's not automatically called as a scam but this act is only normal. A company can truly change their terms as much as they can even without notifying their users but some casinos already give a warning about it so other users are also aware of that possibility but there might be some casinos who don't do that. This why some users are angry about them in case they can get affected by the change.

The solution is just stop playing there and make it a habit to check their terms next time to see if they have a rule about changing terms automatically. We don't usually take a copy of the TOS because it's a wall of text but maybe we will now do it, only to have an evidence in case the issue occurred later on.

For real? I mean if the ToS has a line in it then I guess it's reasonable for them to just update it without informing their users (or asking for their agreement again whenever they change it) but isn't "updating" their users about changes something required for businesses to have? It is something like a contract between the user and the website/casino after all, albeit an online one. I don't have one so I don't really know about it though.

As for those who use it, well, the moment they used it they were pushed out of "legal" businesses in my mind though.

For the sake of being transparent and on the sense of ethical then it would be preferable that it should really be told into their users about the changes of those TOS.What if there are certain changes which would highly affect out users on that sense? For sure that would really be having the argumentation in between users and the platform itself. Making use of those changes in TOS on paying up winnings then this is something that
turns out to be shady. There shouldnt really be that kind of action aside on violating terms like VPN usage or something that it is really that common errors of certain users. It would really be just that depending
on certain conditions but in most  cases on which if a casino is really that refusing to pay just because of that sudden change of terms then it would be an another story.

On this way then you could definitely assump that you are really that dealing with a shady casino which its a must avoid thing.

[Ebede]

It is very wrong for a gambling platform to change there terms and conditions without notifying there customers so they can check it and make adjustment to the way they gamble if it is necessary. It is wickedness for a company to change there terms and conditions without notifying there customers. Many casinos do this to deprive gamblers of there right.

those particular platform that first to notify their customers before changing it and condition when looking at it very well you will know that those particular platform they are all come on cuz what they have in mind is not to run a social platform is to scam people and get money from them so that is why they are unable to inform their customers before taking a decision

[delfastTions]

It is very wrong for a gambling platform to change there terms and conditions without notifying there customers so they can check it and make adjustment to the way they gamble if it is necessary. It is wickedness for a company to change there terms and conditions without notifying there customers. Many casinos do this to deprive gamblers of there right.

those particular platform that first to notify their customers before changing it and condition when looking at it very well you will know that those particular platform they are all come on cuz what they have in mind is not to run a social platform is to scam people and get money from them so that is why they are unable to inform their customers before taking a decision

Apparently, many not very large and reputable casinos use such a not entirely honest technique.  Devs of such casinos can change the TOS in some part of it that is important for the players.  And of course, we are talking primarily about the methods and amounts so that the player can easily withdraw money from his winnings to his account.  This casino technique can be applied in those moments when the general legislation on the movement of cash flows changes.  Or, for example, when local regulators issue regular changes to the rules in payments.  And of course this applies to cryptocurrency payments.  In this case, the casino may make a change to the TOS and not inform the players in any way.  And formally, the casino has a good reason and justification why it did not inform the players about a significant change in a particular rule in the TOS. 

I think that some casinos sometimes specifically wait for changes in documents and instructions from regulators and then save their budgets in this way due to the difficulties that some players face in receiving the money they win. 
Often, players cannot get their winnings back at all due to these new rule changes. 
But, alas, this is the business itself.  It's a reality that I think some of you have experienced.

[AicecreaME]

Some casinos don't inform their players that they have changed something in their TOS if it's just minor changes that won't affect their patrons in negative way. Although some don't inform their players at all whether the changes made are big or small which is really a major turn off especially if the thing they have changed will make an impact on the playing routine and the activities inside the casino. So you must really be careful on what casino to sign up to. Make sure to check whether they declared they could make any changes without prior notice, because if this is the case, then you must always be updated on the rules and policies to avoid incurring warning and being flagged as abusing the site or having an unusual activity.

[EarnOnVictor]

Some gambling websites consist of wicked owners that willingly plan to defraud their users using the ToS against them, or is this normal? Have such happened to anyone on this forum before?

Modifying TOS just to suite the gambling casinos accusation on players isn't a normal thing to happen.  Only shrewd and scammer do this kind of tactics.  If you observe how reputable casino address they change of term and service, they either create a pop up on their website or email their users about the changes.  Reputable Casino thinks that it is ethical to inform  clients of possible changes in the terms and agreement besides, it is their responsibility to inform players of the changes in TOS.

that's right, some of the big crypto gambling sites that i follow keep on sending emails to me about things related to changes that occur on their betting sites such as events or other changes.  but for gambling sites that have bad intentions, they will not send customers about these changes, they will use various ways to get big profits in sneaky ways such as deceiving players who are playing on their site.

legit casinos would always give a heads up to their patrons no matter what changes they want to implement on their site. even if we say, most players won't bother reading those notifications, still it is their duty to distribute the communication to their customers.
some casinos also have their pop-ups stating that they have some changes with their terms once you get in their site and you are accepting it. just to make sure their players are aware of such modifications.
but if you are running a fly-by-night casino, you would put the blame to your players about their ignorance of such changes, even if the site has some shortcomings of information dissemination.

I've dealt with many companies online, and all of them have the same mode of dealing with changes in terms and conditions, this subject is not peculiar to casinos only. It's always like cheating in most cases, you might only see the notification through their news, emails sent to you or some pops ups that just came up when you visit your page on their websites. However, the most annoying thing is that some would not allow you to do the pressing things you want to do on the site until you accept it, which might be so long to read most times. This prompted people to be forced to accept what they did not know which I don't like.

Also, we should erase it from our minds that casinos will inform us prior to the change in the terms and conditions. Like any other companies, they will just inform us of the changes after it has been done which is nothing to me, but it's ill when we are trapped to accept it by the mode of propagating it.

[wiss19]

No it's not automatically called as a scam but this act is only normal. A company can truly change their terms as much as they can even without notifying their users but some casinos already give a warning about it so other users are also aware of that possibility but there might be some casinos who don't do that. This why some users are angry about them in case they can get affected by the change.

The solution is just stop playing there and make it a habit to check their terms next time to see if they have a rule about changing terms automatically. We don't usually take a copy of the TOS because it's a wall of text but maybe we will now do it, only to have an evidence in case the issue occurred later on.

For real? I mean if the ToS has a line in it then I guess it's reasonable for them to just update it without informing their users (or asking for their agreement again whenever they change it) but isn't "updating" their users about changes something required for businesses to have? It is something like a contract between the user and the website/casino after all, albeit an online one. I don't have one so I don't really know about it though.

As for those who use it, well, the moment they used it they were pushed out of "legal" businesses in my mind though.

I don't think it's a contract or anything like that because it's between a service provider and a customer and the service provider usually has its own rules and change or modifies them whenever they want to based on the needs of its business model, and the customer doesn't really have any say in it and all they can do is either accept the changes or leave the platform and migrate somewhere else.

Now whether they should inform their users about the changes beforehand or after making them is totally dependent on what they want, if they want to keep their customers updated with everything, they will surely do it, but if they don't care, they won't.

[Hamphser]

No it's not automatically called as a scam but this act is only normal. A company can truly change their terms as much as they can even without notifying their users but some casinos already give a warning about it so other users are also aware of that possibility but there might be some casinos who don't do that. This why some users are angry about them in case they can get affected by the change.

The solution is just stop playing there and make it a habit to check their terms next time to see if they have a rule about changing terms automatically. We don't usually take a copy of the TOS because it's a wall of text but maybe we will now do it, only to have an evidence in case the issue occurred later on.

For real? I mean if the ToS has a line in it then I guess it's reasonable for them to just update it without informing their users (or asking for their agreement again whenever they change it) but isn't "updating" their users about changes something required for businesses to have? It is something like a contract between the user and the website/casino after all, albeit an online one. I don't have one so I don't really know about it though.

As for those who use it, well, the moment they used it they were pushed out of "legal" businesses in my mind though.

I don't think it's a contract or anything like that because it's between a service provider and a customer and the service provider usually has its own rules and change or modifies them whenever they want to based on the needs of its business model, and the customer doesn't really have any say in it and all they can do is either accept the changes or leave the platform and migrate somewhere else.

Now whether they should inform their users about the changes beforehand or after making them is totally dependent on what they want, if they want to keep their customers updated with everything, they will surely do it, but if they don't care, they won't.

It would really be just fine of those changes wouldnt really be directly be affecting your withdrawal but on the time that you would be experiencing some hardship on making withdraws and find out that
they are basing on their updated TOS then you would really be having in mind about those changes might be that intentional. This is why it would really be always important that you should read up
terms and conditions on which it would really be that needed because if you do assure yourself that there's no way that you do able to violate their terms then you do have at least sure
that they have been doing such shady act.

But on the time that you had missed out on reading those terms and on the time that it would be used against you. Then what would you do? What would be the things that you are tending
to fight for?

[komisariatku]

Changing of terms and conditions without notifying the users or gamblers is normal with online gambling websites? Then when you did something wrong or about to withdraw your money they will tell you that you don't read their terms and conditions, and you start arguing with them until you decide to read the ToS again and you find out that it's different.

I don't know which gambling site you play on. But if you register on a well-known and trusted gambling site, they will send you an email when the TOS changes. So if they change the TOS and don't tell you, it's not normal. I think you should leave the site.
 
i've never had a bad experience with TOS. i play the game normally and never try to cheat. I think all TOS are the same, I rarely read TOS but never had a problem with it.

I've never deposited much money, only $50 -$100. My biggest win was only about $1000. I don't know if withdrawing more than $10.000, maybe if the site will be cheating, they can ban you for violating TOS. But that's an assumption, I never win much money, I only play small bet
 
I've never played at dubious gambling sites, even though they offer a lot of bonuses. It's better to play it safe and don't try to play on gambling sites that don't have a good reputation.
 

[ethereumhunter]

Changing of terms and conditions without notifying the users or gamblers is normal with online gambling websites? Then when you did something wrong or about to withdraw your money they will tell you that you don't read their terms and conditions, and you start arguing with them until you decide to read the ToS again and you find out that it's different.

I don't know which gambling site you play on. But if you register on a well-known and trusted gambling site, they will send you an email when the TOS changes. So if they change the TOS and don't tell you, it's not normal. I think you should leave the site.
 
i've never had a bad experience with TOS. i play the game normally and never try to cheat. I think all TOS are the same, I rarely read TOS but never had a problem with it.

I've never deposited much money, only $50 -$100. My biggest win was only about $1000. I don't know if withdrawing more than $10.000, maybe if the site will be cheating, they can ban you for violating TOS. But that's an assumption, I never win much money, I only play small bet
 
I've never played at dubious gambling sites, even though they offer a lot of bonuses. It's better to play it safe and don't try to play on gambling sites that don't have a good reputation.

That's why we have to really confirm the rules and maybe ask the support service whether there have been changes in the rules or they are still the same as before. It's important to ensure everything before we withdraw so that we can withdraw the money smoothly and not encounter any problems. And it's true that if we play at a trusted casino, we definitely will be fine because the casino always prioritizes customer satisfaction so they will make sure everything goes well.

Trusted casinos always notify their customers if they make changes to the rules. So all members will know about it and adjust to the casino's rules. And it's better not to try to play gambling at questionable casinos because we don't know how good the service is.

[Crypt0Gore]

It's very hard for many people to spend their time and go through an online casino's Terms of Services, it's going to be a long reading and many don't want it, but my advice is to ask around for any casino that you can gamble on without any KYC verification or you can just make your choice through this forum.

I used to have problems with online casinos that are off this forum but when I started trying the likes of Roobet and others from this forum, I haven't had any weird problems so far, so it looks like those that are complaining really did something wrong or they are falsely accusing the online casinos.

There is a small chance of having a bad experience on any online casinos that people are presently using for gambling on this forum, go with online casinos that has reputation and you won't face any problems, just don't do anything that will put you in problem, I don't use VPN, I don't switch between ISP services, I don't change DNS here and there, changing of location can put you in problems with any online casinos.

[mak013]

Changing of terms and conditions without notifying the users or gamblers is normal with online gambling websites? Then when you did something wrong or about to withdraw your money they will tell you that you don't read their terms and conditions, and you start arguing with them until you decide to read the ToS again and you find out that it's different.

Some gambling websites consist of wicked owners that willingly plan to defraud their users using the ToS against them, or is this normal? Have such happened to anyone on this forum before?

It is strange situation. On the one hand - the casino changes, the rules change, the cheaters change and the casino has to change ToS. But the same time you agreed with the first version of the ToS and if there wasn`t something like "the casino can change ToS due to some situations" you can sue them. But you need some proves like screenshots at least. Unfortunately we don`t make it most times.

[avp2306]

Changing of terms and conditions without notifying the users or gamblers is normal with online gambling websites? Then when you did something wrong or about to withdraw your money they will tell you that you don't read their terms and conditions, and you start arguing with them until you decide to read the ToS again and you find out that it's different.

Some gambling websites consist of wicked owners that willingly plan to defraud their users using the ToS against them, or is this normal? Have such happened to anyone on this forum before?

It is strange situation. On the one hand - the casino changes, the rules change, the cheaters change and the casino has to change ToS. But the same time you agreed with the first version of the ToS and if there wasn`t something like "the casino can change ToS due to some situations" you can sue them. But you need some proves like screenshots at least. Unfortunately we don`t make it most times.

This incident happen when a user win a huge prize and they can't pay that, so the only solution they made is to change their rules so that that user will be tag as cheater then he will not be paid for the winnings he got. This situation happen so we should tag those casino doing that as scam since they can't do that on situation like this. This is one of the best reason why we need to read the TOS and get updated with it especially for whales so that casino cannot use a TOS reason when they they bag some good cash on then while legitimately playing.

[Sanitough]

It doesn't sound right if it's used against us gamblers because it portrays a negative image. If gambling sites were to change their Terms of Service (TOS), it should be justifiable and in compliance with government regulations or their licensing provider, to be more specific. Personally, even though most of the gambling sites I play on don't notify users about changes in the TOS, I am not worried because I have confidence that they are fair.

[Reatim]

Changing of terms and conditions without notifying the users or gamblers is normal with online gambling websites? Then when you did something wrong or about to withdraw your money they will tell you that you don't read their terms and conditions, and you start arguing with them until you decide to read the ToS again and you find out that it's different.

Some gambling websites consist of wicked owners that willingly plan to defraud their users using the ToS against them, or is this normal? Have such happened to anyone on this forum before?

actually this will only favor them in short term because every wrong doings will have  response from the players and they may run away from some but surely not in permanent situation.
we have seen some gambling site that did this and yes eventually their reputation dies and now ? they are not even exceed from their past activities.

[Maslate]

Changing of terms and conditions without notifying the users or gamblers is normal with online gambling websites? Then when you did something wrong or about to withdraw your money they will tell you that you don't read their terms and conditions, and you start arguing with them until you decide to read the ToS again and you find out that it's different.

Some gambling websites consist of wicked owners that willingly plan to defraud their users using the ToS against them, or is this normal? Have such happened to anyone on this forum before?

actually this will only favor them in short term because every wrong doings will have  response from the players and they may run away from some but surely not in permanent situation.
we have seen some gambling site that did this and yes eventually their reputation dies and now ? they are not even exceed from their past activities.

Running a gambling site is not easy. Its main asset for profitability in the business is its reputation. If a gambling site were to destroy that reputation, it can expect that gamblers will leave the site, and sooner or later, the business will close. Those who attempt to take advantage by illegally changing the terms will not be able to survive in an industry where competition is very tough.

[Doan9269]

ToS are not meant to work or be used against a gambler except the gambler was the one found violating the rules stated from it, but if not in this case, any gambling platform found with the violation of these as used against it users should be reported and avoided completely, there are many gambling platforms one can always try out if the one you're using is not trusted anymore and challenges like this make us always advise gamblers not to have the money they cannot afford loosing on their casino wallet.

[Fivestar4everMVP]

ToS are not meant to work or be used against a gambler except the gambler was the one found violating the rules stated from it, but if not in this case, any gambling platform found with the violation of these as used against it users should be reported and avoided completely, there are many gambling platforms one can always try out if the one you're using is not trusted anymore and challenges like this make us always advise gamblers not to have the money they cannot afford loosing on their casino wallet.

Going by the first line of your comment, I was going to say that, I've personally come across a situation where a casino kept editing and re-editing their terms or service in a bid to illegally confiscate a user's winning as well as fund left on the user's account.

Scam is everywhere, and scammers implore several means by which they try to carry out their nefarious acts without being suspected.

Anyways, you've spoken well, users never should leave their funds on a casino account, and also report every activity of the casino that looks suspicious.

[klidex]

Scam is everywhere, and scammers implore several means by which they try to carry out their nefarious acts without being suspected.

If it's the first time they cheat, surely no one can suspect them, even they look very good without any thought that it's actually a fraud.
But when the fraudulent act has consumed enough victims, not only suspicions but complaints about the fraud they are committing have spread by themselves.

Anyways, you've spoken well, users never should leave their funds on a casino account, and also report every activity of the casino that looks suspicious.

If you only leave small amounts of funds at the casino, that's not a problem, but if gamblers use large amounts of money to gamble, it is better to withdraw it immediately after playing and decide to stop to avoid bad things.
Even though playing at a trusted casino, caution and vigilance must remain a priority.

[pawel7777]

ToS are not meant to work or be used against a gambler except the gambler was the one found violating the rules

This doesn't quite make sense. "Rules" are defined by ToS, so you're essentially saying that ToS are not meant to be used against the user unless the user violates ToS.

make us always advise gamblers not to have the money they cannot afford loosing on their casino wallet.

I'd change this statement to say don't hold more in your casino balance than you need to. If you win, just withdraw to your bank account/crypto wallet and leave only the amount you intend to use for gambling in the future (if any at all).
In other words, gambling sites should not be used as bank accounts or wallets.

[tusandii]

If you only leave small amounts of funds at the casino, that's not a problem, but if gamblers use large amounts of money to gamble, it is better to withdraw it immediately after playing and decide to stop to avoid bad things.
Even though playing at a trusted casino, caution and vigilance must remain a priority.

I agree with you and however keeping large funds in the casino is a risky thing especially if the funds are really in very large amounts.
I'm sure some wealthy gamblers make deposits and withdrawals around the clock to keep the money they gamble with safe, although it does cost more but if it's worth the security of the money then cost is not an issue.

By the way, many gamblers complain of problems because they forget to read the TOS at the casino, so they violate existing rules and their accounts or money are frozen.
I think that every gambler should read the high five before registering or depositing their money.
This kind of thing is very unfortunate because they actually blame the casino for the problems they have caused themselves.

[slapper]

Changing of terms and conditions without notifying the users or gamblers is normal with online gambling websites? Then when you did something wrong or about to withdraw your money they will tell you that you don't read their terms and conditions, and you start arguing with them until you decide to read the ToS again and you find out that it's different.

Some gambling websites consist of wicked owners that willingly plan to defraud their users using the ToS against them, or is this normal? Have such happened to anyone on this forum before?

actually this will only favor them in short term because every wrong doings will have  response from the players and they may run away from some but surely not in permanent situation.
we have seen some gambling site that did this and yes eventually their reputation dies and now ? they are not even exceed from their past activities.

It's like being given a novel-length version of the Terms of Service and being expected to grasp it like we're all attorneys. Some gaming sites engage in a 'cloak-and-dagger' tactic that is more than dishonest; it's downright frustrating. That's not cool.

I've witnessed shady dealings like that myself, and retribution is a vicious thing. They could temporarily deceive naive consumers, but the internet remembers everything. Their credibility would be shot to pieces with just one thread on Reddit or tweet exposing their shady business methods.

However, we also need to step up our performance. Keep an eye on the ToS at all times, record any modifications, and don't be afraid to call them out when necessary. We are more than just participants in their game; we have a vested interest in the success of this online gambling hub.

[mak013]

Changing of terms and conditions without notifying the users or gamblers is normal with online gambling websites? Then when you did something wrong or about to withdraw your money they will tell you that you don't read their terms and conditions, and you start arguing with them until you decide to read the ToS again and you find out that it's different.

Some gambling websites consist of wicked owners that willingly plan to defraud their users using the ToS against them, or is this normal? Have such happened to anyone on this forum before?

It is strange situation. On the one hand - the casino changes, the rules change, the cheaters change and the casino has to change ToS. But the same time you agreed with the first version of the ToS and if there wasn`t something like "the casino can change ToS due to some situations" you can sue them. But you need some proves like screenshots at least. Unfortunately we don`t make it most times.

This incident happen when a user win a huge prize and they can't pay that, so the only solution they made is to change their rules so that that user will be tag as cheater then he will not be paid for the winnings he got. This situation happen so we should tag those casino doing that as scam since they can't do that on situation like this. This is one of the best reason why we need to read the TOS and get updated with it especially for whales so that casino cannot use a TOS reason when they they bag some good cash on then while legitimately playing.

Can you mark me the post where the OP told us about it? Why you decided so? I specially read the OP`s posts twice and didn`t find this information. And for casino it is normal to change the ToS and i told why.
The same time gamblers mostly don`t read the ToS and they can`t say if something changed. And very often gamblers like to cry that the casino cheated them, but after reading rules we see that they tried to cheat, not casino.

[TheGreatPython]

It's very hard for many people to spend their time and go through an online casino's Terms of Services, it's going to be a long reading and many don't want it, but my advice is to ask around for any casino that you can gamble on without any KYC verification or you can just make your choice through this forum.

I used to have problems with online casinos that are off this forum but when I started trying the likes of Roobet and others from this forum, I haven't had any weird problems so far, so it looks like those that are complaining really did something wrong or they are falsely accusing the online casinos.

There is a small chance of having a bad experience on any online casinos that people are presently using for gambling on this forum, go with online casinos that has reputation and you won't face any problems, just don't do anything that will put you in problem, I don't use VPN, I don't switch between ISP services, I don't change DNS here and there, changing of location can put you in problems with any online casinos.

Gamblers who are too lazy and careless to read the terms and conditions of a platform before gambling with them will surely have issues once they go ahead and gamble without even understanding the rules and regulations of the casino, such people need to understand that reading the terms and conditions is good for themselves as they won't fall into any issues later on if they do so.

And you are probably right that casino platforms that are available on this forum are mostly trusted and the reason for that is they know this forum has a very wide user base and if their reputation goes wrong from here, they will lose a lot of users and the word will spread pretty fast from this forum to the mainstream world.

[pawel7777]

Gamblers who are too lazy and careless to read the terms and conditions of a platform before gambling with them will surely have issues once they go ahead and gamble without even understanding the rules and regulations of the casino, such people need to understand that reading the terms and conditions is good for themselves as they won't fall into any issues later on if they do so.

Do you actually read all ToS in full when signing up for any service? People like to publicly shame others for not doing that, but in practice, nobody does that.
Reading them shouldn't be necessary, as the casinos should operate in accordance with the laws of the jurisdictions they provide their services (law > ToS). And if the casino operates illegally, following ToS will not guarantee any protection.
But this thread is not about ToS in general, but about changing them without giving any notice, so not sure how reading them would help.

[John Abraham]

Changing of terms and conditions without notifying the users or gamblers is normal with online gambling websites? Then when you did something wrong or about to withdraw your money they will tell you that you don't read their terms and conditions, and you start arguing with them until you decide to read the ToS again and you find out that it's different.

Some gambling websites consist of wicked owners that willingly plan to defraud their users using the ToS against them, or is this normal? Have such happened to anyone on this forum before?

No. This is not normal at all. I would say this is scammy behavior. If I remember correctly, a few days ago, Stake.com Changed its terms and conditions. When I logged into my account, I noticed a new window showing they had changed their TOS, and I couldn't close the window until I scrolled it down to the end of it. We know that most casino players don't read the TOS, but they accept the TOS without even reading it during the sign-up process. That doesn't mean casinos don't have to notify a user when they change their TOS. A wise gambling platform should announce its new changes as Stake.com did. If any casino changes its TOS without informing its users, They are doing shady practice.

However, I wonder if this has happened to anyone recently. I am more than interested to know about this. If it's happened to any users, I want to know which platform it was and what happened to the user. This is shady behavior, and if they are on this forum. The user should create a reputation thread against them so that forum members can evaluate their activity. This is not a regular activity at all.

[danadc]

ToS are not meant to work or be used against a gambler except the gambler was the one found violating the rules stated from it, but if not in this case, any gambling platform found with the violation of these as used against it users should be reported and avoided completely, there are many gambling platforms one can always try out if the one you're using is not trusted anymore and challenges like this make us always advise gamblers not to have the money they cannot afford loosing on their casino wallet.

Going by the first line of your comment, I was going to say that, I've personally come across a situation where a casino kept editing and re-editing their terms or service in a bid to illegally confiscate a user's winning as well as fund left on the user's account.

Scam is everywhere, and scammers implore several means by which they try to carry out their nefarious acts without being suspected.

Anyways, you've spoken well, users never should leave their funds on a casino account, and also report every activity of the casino that looks suspicious.

But if that casino is still there , it is something that I Imagine many people should not have , because nobody is going to Stay in a casino where the rules of the game are constantly being Changed for convenience, if nothing else , Dramas are created for less , now that the rules are changing statutes of a casino so that they can Defend themselves against small problems that makes me Understand that the casino does not have enough money to Respond to its clients and is not Capable of operating , and I do not know why it should continue Online , but you have to be sure in something , once I accept my Terms and Conditions I am not aware if they make Changes to those levels , so I could easily get scammed in that casino , but how to take care of Yourself and not Fall here?

[Fortify]

Changing of terms and conditions without notifying the users or gamblers is normal with online gambling websites? Then when you did something wrong or about to withdraw your money they will tell you that you don't read their terms and conditions, and you start arguing with them until you decide to read the ToS again and you find out that it's different.

Some gambling websites consist of wicked owners that willingly plan to defraud their users using the ToS against them, or is this normal? Have such happened to anyone on this forum before?

It's not "the new normal". It has always been normal. When accepting a terms of service at any particular site, but particularly ones when you engage in a financial transaction or benefit, then you must agree to their set of rules. This is done to ensure that bonuses are correctly shared to unique users and not all hoarded for the benefit of a few, among many other reasons. I don't feel any sympathy for bonus abusers because they just make it less likely everyone else will benefit in the future and it's driven by pure greed. Be careful making the wrong assumptions, sometimes you might see a spare of fraudulent activity from certain countries or groups, who might publicize their plight of getting banned for rule breaking as part of their fraud strategy.

[South Park]

Changing of terms and conditions without notifying the users or gamblers is normal with online gambling websites? Then when you did something wrong or about to withdraw your money they will tell you that you don't read their terms and conditions, and you start arguing with them until you decide to read the ToS again and you find out that it's different.

Some gambling websites consist of wicked owners that willingly plan to defraud their users using the ToS against them, or is this normal? Have such happened to anyone on this forum before?

No. This is not normal at all. I would say this is scammy behavior. If I remember correctly, a few days ago, Stake.com Changed its terms and conditions. When I logged into my account, I noticed a new window showing they had changed their TOS, and I couldn't close the window until I scrolled it down to the end of it. We know that most casino players don't read the TOS, but they accept the TOS without even reading it during the sign-up process. That doesn't mean casinos don't have to notify a user when they change their TOS. A wise gambling platform should announce its new changes as Stake.com did. If any casino changes its TOS without informing its users, They are doing shady practice.

However, I wonder if this has happened to anyone recently. I am more than interested to know about this. If it's happened to any users, I want to know which platform it was and what happened to the user. This is shady behavior, and if they are on this forum. The user should create a reputation thread against them so that forum members can evaluate their activity. This is not a regular activity at all.

I think the same, the TOS of websites change all the time, who has not seen a similar message when one day they log in into their email account or a social media account? This means the changes were important enough to ask their customers to agree again with those terms, and this is completely normal, however a website that just changes those terms without notifying a single user about it is engaging in dishonest behavior and it would not surprise me if they began to scam their customers shortly after it.

[Outhue]

ToS are not meant to work or be used against a gambler except the gambler was the one found violating the rules stated from it, but if not in this case, any gambling platform found with the violation of these as used against it users should be reported and avoided completely, there are many gambling platforms one can always try out if the one you're using is not trusted anymore and challenges like this make us always advise gamblers not to have the money they cannot afford loosing on their casino wallet.

Some conniving online casinos have used Terms of Service to steal from their customers. They put the entire blame on ToS and they are the ones who benefit from it. If the Terms of Service are changed, they should make sure everyone is notified first.

There are as many scam casinos as there are new crypto projects in the crypto space today. In fact, some online casinos don't intend to stay around for the long run. They want to steal and escape with large sums of money.

It's left for gamblers to choose between the casinos that almost everyone on the forum age using or those that no one is talking about, or those online casinos that has no ANN on Bitcointalk from.

[virasog]

ToS are not meant to work or be used against a gambler except the gambler was the one found violating the rules stated from it, but if not in this case, any gambling platform found with the violation of these as used against it users should be reported and avoided completely, there are many gambling platforms one can always try out if the one you're using is not trusted anymore and challenges like this make us always advise gamblers not to have the money they cannot afford loosing on their casino wallet.

I do not understand why we are so much concerned about the terms of service recently 

My point is that if the casino is legit they will never abuse the term of service to damage their clients. The casino business is not for the short term, it can be a long last one if you have returning customers to your site. No good casino sites will play tricks on the customers using the TOS.

On the other hand, if the casino does not have a good reputation and its sole purpose is to scam its clients, it won't do these cheap things like changing the terms or services to scam people. They would openly scam people as either you scam using ToS or without any reason, in both cases you will lose the business, the casinos will lose their clients and in a worse situation the casino might end up completely.

[maydna]

I think the same, the TOS of websites change all the time, who has not seen a similar message when one day they log in into their email account or a social media account? This means the changes were important enough to ask their customers to agree again with those terms, and this is completely normal, however a website that just changes those terms without notifying a single user about it is engaging in dishonest behavior and it would not surprise me if they began to scam their customers shortly after it.

Unless they use an email that they rarely see, they don't know there is a change in the TOS, and it makes them disappointed after they win and want to withdraw the money. But whatever it is, we should be able to take the time to check the TOS once a month to make sure there are no changes to the regulations so that we don't run into any problems. And the casino should also be able to notify all its members that there is a change in the rules. It will pay attention to the members so they can know before they play.

[BitcoinPanther]

ToS are not meant to work or be used against a gambler except the gambler was the one found violating the rules stated from it, but if not in this case, any gambling platform found with the violation of these as used against it users should be reported and avoided completely, there are many gambling platforms one can always try out if the one you're using is not trusted anymore and challenges like this make us always advise gamblers not to have the money they cannot afford loosing on their casino wallet.

True that, TOS are not there to punish players.  TOS are created to serve as guidelines on how casino works.  It is also an information for players to follow in accessing the site since. It gives rulings, terminologies, the do's and don'ts and laws that covers the validity of the casino operation.

If the player did not breach any terms on the TOS, then there is no way a casino can use it against a user.  We often see casino use TOS in banning gamblers because this gamblers is suspected to break the TOS but most reputable casino always verify their suspicion first by before permanently banning the player.

[Webetcoins]

Changing of terms and conditions without notifying the users or gamblers is normal with online gambling websites? Then when you did something wrong or about to withdraw your money they will tell you that you don't read their terms and conditions, and you start arguing with them until you decide to read the ToS again and you find out that it's different.

Some gambling websites consist of wicked owners that willingly plan to defraud their users using the ToS against them, or is this normal? Have such happened to anyone on this forum before?

No. This is not normal at all. I would say this is scammy behavior. If I remember correctly, a few days ago, Stake.com Changed its terms and conditions. When I logged into my account, I noticed a new window showing they had changed their TOS, and I couldn't close the window until I scrolled it down to the end of it. We know that most casino players don't read the TOS, but they accept the TOS without even reading it during the sign-up process. That doesn't mean casinos don't have to notify a user when they change their TOS. A wise gambling platform should announce its new changes as Stake.com did. If any casino changes its TOS without informing its users, They are doing shady practice.

However, I wonder if this has happened to anyone recently. I am more than interested to know about this. If it's happened to any users, I want to know which platform it was and what happened to the user. This is shady behavior, and if they are on this forum. The user should create a reputation thread against them so that forum members can evaluate their activity. This is not a regular activity at all.

I don't think that a reputable or trusted platform would do that at all, Stake is the most famous casino and sports book of the current time and if they don't inform their users after changing or modifying their terms and conditions, it will surely affect their reputation that they've earned within the community and everyone will start doubting their integrity for sure, they will lose a lot of players for that too.

A new casino that isn't much popular yet or have much of a reputation might do something like that where they might make a change in some of the rules in their terms and conditions and don't notify their users about it, which is obviously not a normal thing and shouldn't be done at all.

[klidex]

If you only leave small amounts of funds at the casino, that's not a problem, but if gamblers use large amounts of money to gamble, it is better to withdraw it immediately after playing and decide to stop to avoid bad things.
Even though playing at a trusted casino, caution and vigilance must remain a priority.

I agree with you and however keeping large funds in the casino is a risky thing especially if the funds are really in very large amounts.
I'm sure some wealthy gamblers make deposits and withdrawals around the clock to keep the money they gamble with safe, although it does cost more but if it's worth the security of the money then cost is not an issue.

By the way, many gamblers complain of problems because they forget to read the TOS at the casino, so they violate existing rules and their accounts or money are frozen.
I think that every gambler should read the high five before registering or depositing their money.
This kind of thing is very unfortunate because they actually blame the casino for the problems they have caused themselves.

But the problem is reading the ToS takes a bit longer so gamblers are lazy to read all the ToS rules because they sometimes gamble just for fun so they don't think too much about these rules.
It's just that sometimes gamblers are lucky to get big wins but break the rules so that it causes problems in gambling.

[John Abraham]

I don't think that a reputable or trusted platform would do that at all, Stake is the most famous casino and sports book of the current time and if they don't inform their users after changing or modifying their terms and conditions, it will surely affect their reputation that they've earned within the community and everyone will start doubting their integrity for sure, they will lose a lot of players for that too.

A new casino that isn't much popular yet or have much of a reputation might do something like that where they might make a change in some of the rules in their terms and conditions and don't notify their users about it, which is obviously not a normal thing and shouldn't be done at all.

As I said earlier in another post, Stake has changed their TOS about KYC for new users, and they updated their old users with a pop-up window to ensure their users know the new TOS update. If any casinos change their TOS and do not inform their users, there is something shady behind it. This cannot be considered as a regular practice because I accept some TOS doesn't mean I will accept the new TOS. If I don't know the new TOS and then the casino accuses me of violating the new TOS and confiscates my winnings or bans me for violating the new TOS. This is not my fault. It's the casino's fault that they did not notify me of their ToS Changes.

However, This thing never happened to me. Else I would not let them go. I asked OP whether this was his imaginary question or maybe this happened with someone in recent days. We would like to know that. As far I remember, I have seen Betcoin.Ag tagged by a DT member for changing their ToS without informing their players. I did not explore the reference thread. I am not sure if they really did that. That was an old case, so I did not want to dig it again. But, if it happens in recent days, everyone should stand against it.

[buwaytress]

Yeah, I think in most cases, casinos do have quite terrible ToS, particularly in crypto gambling. Unfortunately, letter of the law says if you sign up, and accept them, you must abide by them. I have issue with the "ironclad" clause where casino reserves the right to void winnings if suspicious activity is detected (paraphrasing) but is not required to provide evidence or clarity on what that is.

That part's clear: sign up, accept, and you abide by ToS.

But what OP points out is a change to ToS, and that I must agree is unlawful, if done without the customer being informed. Pretty sure that the legal consensus is that any change to contract must require agreement of all parties -- not sure if a ToS is a contract between player and casino but to me it means that users must explicitly agree to any ToS changes before they can be enforced. Disagree, and you withdraw your casino membership, simple as that.

[LGD2Business]

The ToS is always very long and usually no one reads it, until for some reason your account is closed or your bets are void. Users should approve a simpler and more understandable text when signing up. When too many procedures and details are involved, no one reads that article, and at the end of this, the website owner can use ToS as he wishes. Important details should always be underlined so that the user knows what they are dealing with.
I don't think there will be a change in this direction because this situation is in the interest of website owners.
Most sites issue warning text when ToS changes. I don't think anyone is reading this though. Habits are not easily changed. A user who has been playing on a site for a long time will not switch to another site because the ToS has changed.

[vv181]

But what OP points out is a change to ToS, and that I must agree is unlawful, if done without the customer being informed. Pretty sure that the legal consensus is that any change to contract must require agreement of all parties -- not sure if a ToS is a contract between player and casino but to me it means that users must explicitly agree to any ToS changes before they can be enforced. Disagree, and you withdraw your casino membership, simple as that.

Well, that might be the legal consensus. But it may come differently based on where is the casino operated, and what kind of regulation is applied to the customer's country. I do believe enforcement of terms of service changes without user consent should make the contract void. And that is what should be enforced, at least morally, the consensual agreement.

The notification of contract(ToS) changes should be informed to the user since they have done legally binding agreements in the first place. Failure to do so would disobey user rights. So, speaking further about it, this is where customer protection comes in handy, but only if the casino/user itself is located in a tightly lawful country which has firm regulations relating to the matter.

[Blitzboy]

The ToS is always very long and usually no one reads it, until for some reason your account is closed or your bets are void. Users should approve a simpler and more understandable text when signing up. When too many procedures and details are involved, no one reads that article, and at the end of this, the website owner can use ToS as he wishes. Important details should always be underlined so that the user knows what they are dealing with.
I don't think there will be a change in this direction because this situation is in the interest of website owners.
Most sites issue warning text when ToS changes. I don't think anyone is reading this though. Habits are not easily changed. A user who has been playing on a site for a long time will not switch to another site because the ToS has changed.

These ToS are nothing more than a sly gambit by companies. They obfuscate important details beneath legalese, and us users? We're left in the dark, aren't we? The call for concise and clear ToS is loud, yet it seems to fall on deaf ears. Why? As you rightly pointed out, it serves their interests! They can mold and manipulate the ToS to their liking, can't they? Warnings about ToS changes are mere formalities, just another hoop for them to jump through. Who actually takes the time to read those lengthy documents? And why would seasoned users abandon a familiar platform because of a ToS change? These questions remain unanswered. In this tech-driven age, it's high time companies stepped up and prioritized transparency. Only then can we move towards a fairer digital landscape!

[Doan9269]

The ToS is always very long and usually no one reads it, until for some reason your account is closed or your bets are void. Users should approve a simpler and more understandable text when signing up.

Maybe the gambling casinos should also learn how to summarize these whole thing into one or two pages than the way they often present it sounding unpleasant to the eye for reading because they are just too much, only the most important aspects are needed for the gamblers to see and take note of.

When too many procedures and details are involved, no one reads that article, and at the end of this, the website owner can use ToS as he wishes. Important details should always be underlined so that the user knows what they are dealing with.

They can as well use an underlined mark on those important aspect to take note of, bold or italize them, some can even number them or make use of bullet numbering, but the main idea is to reduce the bulkiness and learn to summarize in other to make it interesting for gamblers to go through them.

[noormcs5]

The ToS is always very long and usually no one reads it, until for some reason your account is closed or your bets are void. Users should approve a simpler and more understandable text when signing up. When too many procedures and details are involved, no one reads that article, and at the end of this, the website owner can use ToS as he wishes. Important details should always be underlined so that the user knows what they are dealing with.
I don't think there will be a change in this direction because this situation is in the interest of website owners.
Most sites issue warning text when ToS changes. I don't think anyone is reading this though. Habits are not easily changed. A user who has been playing on a site for a long time will not switch to another site because the ToS has changed.

The good casino should always be transparent and if there is any change in the terms and condition of the casino they should notified to their gambler publicly as there is nothing to hide in this. Only the scam casino's will try to hide the TOS changes.

Also the users should make a habit to read the terms of service no matter how lengthy they are. They are made for the gamblers and the gambler show read it. In case the gamblers did not follow any gambling casino process and later they get into trouble only because they did not read the terms of service then it is only the fault of the gamblers.

[wiss19]

Yeah, I think in most cases, casinos do have quite terrible ToS, particularly in crypto gambling. Unfortunately, letter of the law says if you sign up, and accept them, you must abide by them. I have issue with the "ironclad" clause where casino reserves the right to void winnings if suspicious activity is detected (paraphrasing) but is not required to provide evidence or clarity on what that is.

That part's clear: sign up, accept, and you abide by ToS.

But what OP points out is a change to ToS, and that I must agree is unlawful, if done without the customer being informed. Pretty sure that the legal consensus is that any change to contract must require agreement of all parties -- not sure if a ToS is a contract between player and casino but to me it means that users must explicitly agree to any ToS changes before they can be enforced. Disagree, and you withdraw your casino membership, simple as that.

I don't really think that a casino is lawfully supposed to inform the user if they make any changes in their terms and conditions or any rules because most of them even have it written in their terms and conditions that they have the right to make any changes or modification in the rules without the consent of the user and if a user agrees with the terms and conditions when signing up, they agree with this too.

But I do find it unethical if a casino simply modifies a rule or adds new ones without letting their customers know, after all, the rules or terms and conditions are for the customers to know and follow and if they don't know about them, there is simply no point in having them.

[Mahanton]

Yeah, I think in most cases, casinos do have quite terrible ToS, particularly in crypto gambling. Unfortunately, letter of the law says if you sign up, and accept them, you must abide by them. I have issue with the "ironclad" clause where casino reserves the right to void winnings if suspicious activity is detected (paraphrasing) but is not required to provide evidence or clarity on what that is.

That part's clear: sign up, accept, and you abide by ToS.

But what OP points out is a change to ToS, and that I must agree is unlawful, if done without the customer being informed. Pretty sure that the legal consensus is that any change to contract must require agreement of all parties -- not sure if a ToS is a contract between player and casino but to me it means that users must explicitly agree to any ToS changes before they can be enforced. Disagree, and you withdraw your casino membership, simple as that.

I don't really think that a casino is lawfully supposed to inform the user if they make any changes in their terms and conditions or any rules because most of them even have it written in their terms and conditions that they have the right to make any changes or modification in the rules without the consent of the user and if a user agrees with the terms and conditions when signing up, they agree with this too.

But I do find it unethical if a casino simply modifies a rule or adds new ones without letting their customers know, after all, the rules or terms and conditions are for the customers to know and follow and if they don't know about them, there is simply no point in having them.

If that was stated on the time for a certain user who do just read it up before they do able to play then they cant really make out some complaints in regarding to that because it would really just simply be easily
counteract if ever there would be some suing just because its been stated on there on the first place unless if there's none then you could really make possibly fight on but we know that changing up terms
specially the crucial ones would definitely be putting up on someones mind some questions on how the heck they had been able to changed it up right away which is in lined with your current issue?
Of course you would really be having that kind of thinking that they might be able to changed it up just to make it look that theyre the ones who had been telling the truth. This is why it would really be that important
that you should really be reading up terms and if possible you should really be that making some screenshot if you are really that paranoid when it comes to changes or you do have some trust issues.
Somehow it is really hard to debate against with a platform knowing that they could really be able to show up some evidences that you had missed nor violated of their terms because we know that once a
certain thing is been violated then you cant really blame them on about being locked up or what.

[pawel7777]

I don't really think that a casino is lawfully supposed to inform the user if they make any changes in their terms and conditions or any rules because most of them even have it written in their terms and conditions that they have the right to make any changes or modification in the rules without the consent of the user and if a user agrees with the terms and conditions when signing up, they agree with this too.

ToS do not supersede the law and the law would usually require any service to inform its users of any changes to their ToS and give users an option to opt-out if they do not agree with the changes.

Yes, as per standard practice almost every service would give itself a right to change their ToS but that does not mean they don't have to inform its users of the changes (in advance). But the logic you described, why would the casino have any ToS at all? They seem unnecessary in such scenario, as the casino could effectively do anything they wanted.

[dezoel]

The good casino should always be transparent and if there is any change in the terms and condition of the casino they should notified to their gambler publicly as there is nothing to hide in this. Only the scam casino's will try to hide the TOS changes.

Also the users should make a habit to read the terms of service no matter how lengthy they are. They are made for the gamblers and the gambler show read it. In case the gamblers did not follow any gambling casino process and later they get into trouble only because they did not read the terms of service then it is only the fault of the gamblers.

This is true. I know I am playing on an old and legit casino and lately, when I log in to them, the first thing that pop up on my screen is a notice about the change of their Terms and Condition. It's one example on how important it is.

They can always email it or put some notification in our account page but no because they know that a gambler might missed it and they are afraid that they will get blamed once the gambler did a violation due to the recent change. Given that TOS is important, you're right that we need to allocate some time to read it. Don't just read the upper part because we might miss some important information in the middle and at the bottom page of it.

[CarnagexD]

The good casino should always be transparent and if there is any change in the terms and condition of the casino they should notified to their gambler publicly as there is nothing to hide in this. Only the scam casino's will try to hide the TOS changes.

Also the users should make a habit to read the terms of service no matter how lengthy they are. They are made for the gamblers and the gambler show read it. In case the gamblers did not follow any gambling casino process and later they get into trouble only because they did not read the terms of service then it is only the fault of the gamblers.

This is true. I know I am playing on an old and legit casino and lately, when I log in to them, the first thing that pop up on my screen is a notice about the change of their Terms and Condition. It's one example on how important it is.

They can always email it or put some notification in our account page but no because they know that a gambler might missed it and they are afraid that they will get blamed once the gambler did a violation due to the recent change. Given that TOS is important, you're right that we need to allocate some time to read it. Don't just read the upper part because we might miss some important information in the middle and at the bottom page of it.

I would also prefer to get a bookie or a house that is consistent on giving a weekly newspaper for updates. Not just for technical updates and changes but also with the promotion of their outgoing discounts and free plays/bets. Just said, legitimate and established casinos won't just change and shift their TOS and Terms and Conditions in an instant. If there is, there might be an anomaly behind that would prevent users from widthrawing thier funds or putting them in some kind of violations.

[ethereumhunter]

I would also prefer to get a bookie or a house that is consistent on giving a weekly newspaper for updates. Not just for technical updates and changes but also with the promotion of their outgoing discounts and free plays/bets. Just said, legitimate and established casinos won't just change and shift their TOS and Terms and Conditions in an instant. If there is, there might be an anomaly behind that would prevent users from widthrawing thier funds or putting them in some kind of violations.

Usually, casinos or bookies give the option to subscribe to the news provided by the casino, but many gamblers don't pay attention to this and in the end don't choose to subscribe even though it can help them to find out if there are changes to the rules, attractive promotions or even codes that are given out for free.

But even so, it's best for every gambler to visit the rules page regularly to know if there are changes to the rules. Or they can also contact the support service periodically to ask about the rules. So gamblers will know what is going on and can adjust accordingly.

[Dunamisx]

Yeah, I think in most cases, casinos do have quite terrible ToS, particularly in crypto gambling. Unfortunately, letter of the law says if you sign up, and accept them, you must abide by them. I have issue with the "ironclad" clause where casino reserves the right to void winnings if suspicious activity is detected (paraphrasing) but is not required to provide evidence or clarity on what that is.

That part's clear: sign up, accept, and you abide by ToS.

But what OP points out is a change to ToS, and that I must agree is unlawful, if done without the customer being informed. Pretty sure that the legal consensus is that any change to contract must require agreement of all parties -- not sure if a ToS is a contract between player and casino but to me it means that users must explicitly agree to any ToS changes before they can be enforced. Disagree, and you withdraw your casino membership, simple as that.

I don't really think that a casino is lawfully supposed to inform the user if they make any changes in their terms and conditions or any rules because most of them even have it written in their terms and conditions that they have the right to make any changes or modification in the rules without the consent of the user and if a user agrees with the terms and conditions when signing up, they agree with this too.

But I do find it unethical if a casino simply modifies a rule or adds new ones without letting their customers know, after all, the rules or terms and conditions are for the customers to know and follow and if they don't know about them, there is simply no point in having them.

Following the normal procedures there should be a due notification to back their decision up for the gamblers to get aware of what's going on and not that just of a sudden they begin to see changes they are not aware of or see coming, isn't that part of the reasons why they are taking their gambling details for future use in other to get their contact and get across to them on any new issues or matters arising, it's better they do things the appropriate way than just acting without a prior notice on gamblers effecting a change in policy.

[lionheart78]

I would also prefer to get a bookie or a house that is consistent on giving a weekly newspaper for updates. Not just for technical updates and changes but also with the promotion of their outgoing discounts and free plays/bets. Just said, legitimate and established casinos won't just change and shift their TOS and Terms and Conditions in an instant. If there is, there might be an anomaly behind that would prevent users from widthrawing thier funds or putting them in some kind of violations.

Usually, casinos or bookies give the option to subscribe to the news provided by the casino, but many gamblers don't pay attention to this and in the end don't choose to subscribe even though it can help them to find out if there are changes to the rules, attractive promotions or even codes that are given out for free.

I am one of those who often subscribe for casino newsletter and notification but I seldom check my email the reason why I always miss some important casino event and even freebies.  When I think of it, I am missing a lot of good stuff that the casino offer because these freebies has the possibility to give us a good win without spending or risking fund from our pocket.  Aside from that important news and notices are also sent through email to keep us updated.

But even so, it's best for every gambler to visit the rules page regularly to know if there are changes to the rules. Or they can also contact the support service periodically to ask about the rules. So gamblers will know what is going on and can adjust accordingly.

[Gyfts]

Yes, it's considered as a breach of contract. Any casino can change and modify its terms anytime they like, but they are oblige to let their users know the new terms or the new "contract", because you can disagree with it and leave the site if you don't agree the changes, like they require to agree the terms upon registration.

You can file a case if you have proof that you are not informed about the terms, the accused will be then defend your accusations. Because usually, reputed casino always informed its users by mail, it even has a banner on the site that there are changes on its terms. And they informed its users a head of time usually its weeks to seven days, because they are required to do it.

The ToS exist to protect the company against its users from liability, so consider the ToS to be against the user by default. Not that anyone bothers reading them, but get past a bunch of the legal jargon they probably explicitly state the company reserves the right to change the ToS without notice. It's not fraud in the legal sense -- you agreed to the terms on sign up. You shouldn't be handing out legal advice.

And if you think these casinos operate in jurisdictions amenable to lawsuits then you're mistaken.

[Hamphser]

Yes, it's considered as a breach of contract. Any casino can change and modify its terms anytime they like, but they are oblige to let their users know the new terms or the new "contract", because you can disagree with it and leave the site if you don't agree the changes, like they require to agree the terms upon registration.

You can file a case if you have proof that you are not informed about the terms, the accused will be then defend your accusations. Because usually, reputed casino always informed its users by mail, it even has a banner on the site that there are changes on its terms. And they informed its users a head of time usually its weeks to seven days, because they are required to do it.

The ToS exist to protect the company against its users from liability, so consider the ToS to be against the user by default. Not that anyone bothers reading them, but get past a bunch of the legal jargon they probably explicitly state the company reserves the right to change the ToS without notice. It's not fraud in the legal sense -- you agreed to the terms on sign up. You shouldn't be handing out legal advice.

And if you think these casinos operate in jurisdictions amenable to lawsuits then you're mistaken.

100% no one really bothers on reading them in the first place and this is why on the time that there would really be some changes then you wouldnt really be noticing out.Im wondering on what are the common

things that would be changed up on their TOS which it would be potentially be easily be thrown up on a certain user if they are really that having the intent on not paying them on their winnings?
VPN issue? Bonus wagering changes?  Other violations which is correlated on what user had done?

No matter which angle we would really be looking on which on the time that they would really be having that kind of approach on which throwing up some delays just because of TOS
violation then you would really be having that impression that there's something wrong into this one.

[Wiwo]

But the problem is reading the ToS takes a bit longer so gamblers are lazy to read all the ToS rules because they sometimes gamble just for fun so they don't think too much about these rules.
It's just that sometimes gamblers are lucky to get big wins but break the rules so that which causes problems in gambling.

The problem is not the emptiness of the TOS but the inability of the gamblers to read through them carefully and interpret them in the best clear terms and possible as to know when to apply them to their personal activities at the casino,  I am sure if gamblers take the time to properly study and understand casinos terms and conditions there won't have too much problem finding the ways around the casinos and also have the way to avoid any actions that could violate the rules of the casino.

The thing is that,  while gamblers are mostly concentrated on the games and possibly winning but fail to follow the basic rules.

[Fivestar4everMVP]

But the problem is reading the ToS takes a bit longer so gamblers are lazy to read all the ToS rules because they sometimes gamble just for fun so they don't think too much about these rules.
It's just that sometimes gamblers are lucky to get big wins but break the rules so that which causes problems in gambling.

The problem is not the emptiness of the TOS but the inability of the gamblers to read through them carefully and interpret them in the best clear terms and possible as to know when to apply them to their personal activities at the casino,  I am sure if gamblers take the time to properly study and understand casinos terms and conditions there won't have too much problem finding the ways around the casinos and also have the way to avoid any actions that could violate the rules of the casino.

The thing is that,  while gamblers are mostly concentrated on the games and possibly winning but fail to follow the basic rules.

You are right, but come to think of it, how many gamblers really do give any credence to the terms of service of a casino by reading them before maybe signing up  on the casino or depositing and playing on the casino? I think a very few persons if at all there is any..
I can use myself as an example, when signing up on a casino and have money waiting that I need to deposit and place some bets with, the last thing on my mind is to spend any extra hour reading something i might end up not even understanding clearly.

This is not to discourage any one from reading, I am just being true to my self atleast, a regular gambler clearly does not make out time to read TOS of gambling casinos, except for the few exceptional, more professional ones.

[ethereumhunter]

I would also prefer to get a bookie or a house that is consistent on giving a weekly newspaper for updates. Not just for technical updates and changes but also with the promotion of their outgoing discounts and free plays/bets. Just said, legitimate and established casinos won't just change and shift their TOS and Terms and Conditions in an instant. If there is, there might be an anomaly behind that would prevent users from widthrawing thier funds or putting them in some kind of violations.

Usually, casinos or bookies give the option to subscribe to the news provided by the casino, but many gamblers don't pay attention to this and in the end don't choose to subscribe even though it can help them to find out if there are changes to the rules, attractive promotions or even codes that are given out for free.

I am one of those who often subscribe for casino newsletter and notification but I seldom check my email the reason why I always miss some important casino event and even freebies.  When I think of it, I am missing a lot of good stuff that the casino offer because these freebies has the possibility to give us a good win without spending or risking fund from our pocket.  Aside from that important news and notices are also sent through email to keep us updated.

You have the opportunity to get attractive promos or free prizes from the casino. But maybe you do that because you don't want to lose a lot of money because we have to use more money to get the promo. But I think you can get a good promo because the casino will always give attractive promos so we can participate. By subscribing to emails from the casino, we will always know updates from the casino so we will be alert and maybe be able to use promos or whatever it is properly.

[lionheart78]

But the problem is reading the ToS takes a bit longer so gamblers are lazy to read all the ToS rules because they sometimes gamble just for fun so they don't think too much about these rules.
It's just that sometimes gamblers are lucky to get big wins but break the rules so that which causes problems in gambling.

The problem is not the emptiness of the TOS but the inability of the gamblers to read through them carefully and interpret them in the best clear terms and possible as to know when to apply them to their personal activities at the casino,  I am sure if gamblers take the time to properly study and understand casinos terms and conditions there won't have too much problem finding the ways around the casinos and also have the way to avoid any actions that could violate the rules of the casino.

The thing is that,  while gamblers are mostly concentrated on the games and possibly winning but fail to follow the basic rules.

You are right, but come to think of it, how many gamblers really do give any credence to the terms of service of a casino by reading them before maybe signing up  on the casino or depositing and playing on the casino? I think a very few persons if at all there is any..

Most gamblers just sign up and deposit to play disregarding the terms of service of the casino, that is why many were dumbfounded when they found out that their account were locked or suspended due to violation of the TOS.

I can use myself as an example, when signing up on a casino and have money waiting that I need to deposit and place some bets with, the last thing on my mind is to spend any extra hour reading something i might end up not even understanding clearly.

This is not to discourage any one from reading, I am just being true to my self atleast, a regular gambler clearly does not make out time to read TOS of gambling casinos, except for the few exceptional, more professional ones.

You are not alone, I used to sign up for deposit and play disregarding their TOS.  It only occurs in my mind when something unusual happen like when I found my withdrawal request pending due to not meeting the minimum withdrawal or the needed wagering requirement.  What I do is contact the support staff and then when I knew the error from my side, I cancel my request and started to wager to meet the requirement for withdrawal.

[delfastTions]

But the problem is reading the ToS takes a bit longer so gamblers are lazy to read all the ToS rules because they sometimes gamble just for fun so they don't think too much about these rules.
It's just that sometimes gamblers are lucky to get big wins but break the rules so that which causes problems in gambling.

The problem is not the emptiness of the TOS but the inability of the gamblers to read through them carefully and interpret them in the best clear terms and possible as to know when to apply them to their personal activities at the casino,  I am sure if gamblers take the time to properly study and understand casinos terms and conditions there won't have too much problem finding the ways around the casinos and also have the way to avoid any actions that could violate the rules of the casino.

The thing is that,  while gamblers are mostly concentrated on the games and possibly winning but fail to follow the basic rules.

You are right, but come to think of it, how many gamblers really do give any credence to the terms of service of a casino by reading them before maybe signing up  on the casino or depositing and playing on the casino? I think a very few persons if at all there is any..

Most gamblers just sign up and deposit to play disregarding the terms of service of the casino, that is why many were dumbfounded when they found out that their account were locked or suspended due to violation of the TOS.

I can use myself as an example, when signing up on a casino and have money waiting that I need to deposit and place some bets with, the last thing on my mind is to spend any extra hour reading something i might end up not even understanding clearly.

This is not to discourage any one from reading, I am just being true to my self atleast, a regular gambler clearly does not make out time to read TOS of gambling casinos, except for the few exceptional, more professional ones.

You are not alone, I used to sign up for deposit and play disregarding their TOS.  It only occurs in my mind when something unusual happen like when I found my withdrawal request pending due to not meeting the minimum withdrawal or the needed wagering requirement.  What I do is contact the support staff and then when I knew the error from my side, I cancel my request and started to wager to meet the requirement for withdrawal.

I think that this is how most people gamble.  Just like you. 

And those players just want to have some fun and don't want to spend time reading TOS at all, and time is spent not only reading, but also understanding some of the more difficult points of TOS.  And these points in the rules may be important in your future game in this casino. 
Moreover, persuading players to carefully read and understand TOS in advance, in my opinion, does not make sense at all.  All the same, almost no one will listen to you (with rare exceptions - attentive, responsible and cautious players) and will continue to play without taking into account the possibility of unforeseen situations at all. 
Those situations that directly follow from the TOS of this casino.  And then you will have endless correspondence with support, which could have been avoided and not wasted on them your precious time.

[slapper]

~snip~

I think that this is how most people gamble.  Just like you. 

And those players just want to have some fun and don't want to spend time reading TOS at all, and time is spent not only reading, but also understanding some of the more difficult points of TOS.  And these points in the rules may be important in your future game in this casino. 
Moreover, persuading players to carefully read and understand TOS in advance, in my opinion, does not make sense at all.  All the same, almost no one will listen to you (with rare exceptions - attentive, responsible and cautious players) and will continue to play without taking into account the possibility of unforeseen situations at all. 
Those situations that directly follow from the TOS of this casino.  And then you will have endless correspondence with support, which could have been avoided and not wasted on them your precious time.

Sure, many gamers find TOS a roadblock and overlook it, but it's this neglect that can cause problems. The TOS isn't just wordy gibberish; it's a pact detailing rights and duties of both parties. Believing that reading TOS is time-wasting doesn't lessen its key role in warding off disputes. Gamers could dodge troubles by knowing what they're agreeing to. Promoting TOS awareness isn't useless, even if largely ignored. Skipping the TOS can lead to unexpected issues like account freezing, lost income, or quarrels with support. Thus, urging players to read TOS can spare time and future headaches.

[mak013]

Sure, many gamers find TOS a roadblock and overlook it, but it's this neglect that can cause problems. The TOS isn't just wordy gibberish; it's a pact detailing rights and duties of both parties. Believing that reading TOS is time-wasting doesn't lessen its key role in warding off disputes. Gamers could dodge troubles by knowing what they're agreeing to. Promoting TOS awareness isn't useless, even if largely ignored. Skipping the TOS can lead to unexpected issues like account freezing, lost income, or quarrels with support. Thus, urging players to read TOS can spare time and future headaches.

It is so. And if the gambler would read the ToS more attentively they often wouldn`t accepted it. Lots of paragraphs are written so blurry that the casino can ban gambler, or set the limits, or cancel his bet any moment. I had such problems several times and i can`t do anything with it - it is written in the ToS. The main problem that such situation is true for the most part of the casinos and you can read all the ToS attentively and don`t like it but you have to agree with it because you`ll get the same ToS in all other casinos.

[DoublerHunter]

Sure, many gamers find TOS a roadblock and overlook it, but it's this neglect that can cause problems. The TOS isn't just wordy gibberish; it's a pact detailing rights and duties of both parties. Believing that reading TOS is time-wasting doesn't lessen its key role in warding off disputes. Gamers could dodge troubles by knowing what they're agreeing to. Promoting TOS awareness isn't useless, even if largely ignored. Skipping the TOS can lead to unexpected issues like account freezing, lost income, or quarrels with support. Thus, urging players to read TOS can spare time and future headaches.

It is so. And if the gambler would read the ToS more attentively they often wouldn`t accepted it. Lots of paragraphs are written so blurry that the casino can ban gambler, or set the limits, or cancel his bet any moment. I had such problems several times and i can`t do anything with it - it is written in the ToS. The main problem that such situation is true for the most part of the casinos and you can read all the ToS attentively and don`t like it but you have to agree with it because you`ll get the same ToS in all other casinos.

^Laziness I think why most reason gamblers did not know the terms.
However, as I notice here there are many responsible gamblers who do take the time to read and understand the terms and conditions before engaging in any gambling activities. But most of them think that some gamblers may have used similar gambling services before and assume that the terms and conditions are likely to be similar as well. This assumption can lead to complacency and a lack of thorough reading which the result is not good for us.

[Minecache]

Sure, many gamers find TOS a roadblock and overlook it, but it's this neglect that can cause problems. The TOS isn't just wordy gibberish; it's a pact detailing rights and duties of both parties. Believing that reading TOS is time-wasting doesn't lessen its key role in warding off disputes. Gamers could dodge troubles by knowing what they're agreeing to. Promoting TOS awareness isn't useless, even if largely ignored. Skipping the TOS can lead to unexpected issues like account freezing, lost income, or quarrels with support. Thus, urging players to read TOS can spare time and future headaches.

It is so. And if the gambler would read the ToS more attentively they often wouldn`t accepted it. Lots of paragraphs are written so blurry that the casino can ban gambler, or set the limits, or cancel his bet any moment. I had such problems several times and i can`t do anything with it - it is written in the ToS. The main problem that such situation is true for the most part of the casinos and you can read all the ToS attentively and don`t like it but you have to agree with it because you`ll get the same ToS in all other casinos.

Before accepting the terms and conditions, gamblers should carefully read and understand them. Reviewing the terms can be time-consuming and challenging, but it is important for users to understand the risks and limitations associated with using a particular casino platform. ToS clauses that you find unfavorable or ambiguous must be carefully considered before you accept them. Whenever you have questions or concerns, you can reach out to the casino's customer service team. Your specific concerns may be addressed by them or they may be able to provide more information.

While many casinos have similar or even identical terms, it's still important to read each ToS carefully, as there may be subtle differences or additional clauses that may affect your experience, But I will never support changing ToS silently, in a casino want to change some certain ToS they should inform the existing customer first.

[Wiwo]

Sure, many gamers find TOS a roadblock and overlook it, but it's this neglect that can cause problems. The TOS isn't just wordy gibberish; it's a pact detailing rights and duties of both parties. Believing that reading TOS is time-wasting doesn't lessen its key role in warding off disputes. Gamers could dodge troubles by knowing what they're agreeing to. Promoting TOS awareness isn't useless, even if largely ignored. Skipping the TOS can lead to unexpected issues like account freezing, lost income, or quarrels with support. Thus, urging players to read TOS can spare time and future headaches.

It is so. And if the gambler would read the ToS more attentively they often wouldn`t accepted it. Lots of paragraphs are written so blurry that the casino can ban gambler, or set the limits, or cancel his bet any moment. I had such problems several times and i can`t do anything with it - it is written in the ToS. The main problem that such situation is true for the most part of the casinos and you can read all the ToS attentively and don`t like it but you have to agree with it because you`ll get the same ToS in all other casinos.

^Laziness I think why most reason gamblers did not know the terms.
However, as I notice here there are many responsible gamblers who do take the time to read and understand the terms and conditions before engaging in any gambling activities. But most of them think that some gamblers may have used similar gambling services before and assume that the terms and conditions are likely to be similar as well. This assumption can lead to complacency and a lack of thorough reading which the result is not good for us.

Laziness shouldn't be the last point to call those gamblers who never care to read the TOS of casinos and when their fall into problems they tend to blame the casino,  what I refer to them also as being stupid this is because,  how can anyone risk their money by depositing into a site that you don't know their term and conditions.

This can't be possible under normal conditions only an addict will make such a move since the addiction is pushing him aside from that,  any normal person will certainly be ready to read the TOS before even registering on the site.

[serjent05]

Sure, many gamers find TOS a roadblock and overlook it, but it's this neglect that can cause problems. The TOS isn't just wordy gibberish; it's a pact detailing rights and duties of both parties. Believing that reading TOS is time-wasting doesn't lessen its key role in warding off disputes. Gamers could dodge troubles by knowing what they're agreeing to. Promoting TOS awareness isn't useless, even if largely ignored. Skipping the TOS can lead to unexpected issues like account freezing, lost income, or quarrels with support. Thus, urging players to read TOS can spare time and future headaches.

It is so. And if the gambler would read the ToS more attentively they often wouldn`t accepted it. Lots of paragraphs are written so blurry that the casino can ban gambler, or set the limits, or cancel his bet any moment. I had such problems several times and i can`t do anything with it - it is written in the ToS. The main problem that such situation is true for the most part of the casinos and you can read all the ToS attentively and don`t like it but you have to agree with it because you`ll get the same ToS in all other casinos.

^Laziness I think why most reason gamblers did not know the terms.
However, as I notice here there are many responsible gamblers who do take the time to read and understand the terms and conditions before engaging in any gambling activities. But most of them think that some gamblers may have used similar gambling services before and assume that the terms and conditions are likely to be similar as well. This assumption can lead to complacency and a lack of thorough reading which the result is not good for us.

Laziness shouldn't be the last point to call those gamblers who never care to read the TOS of casinos and when their fall into problems they tend to blame the casino,  what I refer to them also as being stupid this is because,  how can anyone risk their money by depositing into a site that you don't know their term and conditions.

These people who just signed up and do not read the TOS does not know the consequence of missing to understand the term and service.  They might pay a price of being lazy to read  the guideline of the casino and may even put their account to suspension since he might be doing things that is deemed illegal by the TOS.

This can't be possible under normal conditions only an addict will make such a move since the addiction is pushing him aside from that,  any normal person will certainly be ready to read the TOS before even registering on the site.

No it happen  even non-addicted player often missed reading the TOS of the gambling platform as they register to the site.

[Hamphser]

Sure, many gamers find TOS a roadblock and overlook it, but it's this neglect that can cause problems. The TOS isn't just wordy gibberish; it's a pact detailing rights and duties of both parties. Believing that reading TOS is time-wasting doesn't lessen its key role in warding off disputes. Gamers could dodge troubles by knowing what they're agreeing to. Promoting TOS awareness isn't useless, even if largely ignored. Skipping the TOS can lead to unexpected issues like account freezing, lost income, or quarrels with support. Thus, urging players to read TOS can spare time and future headaches.

It is so. And if the gambler would read the ToS more attentively they often wouldn`t accepted it. Lots of paragraphs are written so blurry that the casino can ban gambler, or set the limits, or cancel his bet any moment. I had such problems several times and i can`t do anything with it - it is written in the ToS. The main problem that such situation is true for the most part of the casinos and you can read all the ToS attentively and don`t like it but you have to agree with it because you`ll get the same ToS in all other casinos.

Before accepting the terms and conditions, gamblers should carefully read and understand them. Reviewing the terms can be time-consuming and challenging, but it is important for users to understand the risks and limitations associated with using a particular casino platform. ToS clauses that you find unfavorable or ambiguous must be carefully considered before you accept them. Whenever you have questions or concerns, you can reach out to the casino's customer service team. Your specific concerns may be addressed by them or they may be able to provide more information.

While many casinos have similar or even identical terms, it's still important to read each ToS carefully, as there may be subtle differences or additional clauses that may affect your experience, But I will never support changing ToS silently, in a casino want to change some certain ToS they should inform the existing customer first.

Everyone or almost 100% wouldnt really be caring on reading up a huge pile of text on which it would really be just that normal that they would just ignore on whats written there. On the time that there would

be some changes then this is where risks would really be adding up because to those who arent aware of those updates or changes and able to commit out such violation would really be on trouble.

On the time that the platform would be pointing out on what they have done then it would be ending up on having no argumentation since you have violated something against on their updated TOS.
This is why it is really that important that reading up would be that always essential but well im also guilty with this because not all the time im really that a fan on reading up on everything.
I do just simply wants to play. 

[khaled0111]

^^
Not reading the ToS is not an excuse.
It doesn't matter why you didn't read the ToS of the service, but if you are going to be punished then you should assume it. The terms where there in front if you and you signed with the service and acknowledged that you agree with its terms.
If they find you guilty of breaching those terms then there isn't much anyone can do. You are at fault here and you should assume your responsibilities.

[rozak]

^^
Not reading the ToS is not an excuse.
It doesn't matter why you didn't read the ToS of the service, but if you are going to be punished then you should assume it. The terms where there in front if you and you signed with the service and acknowledged that you agree with its terms.
If they find you guilty of breaching those terms then there isn't much anyone can do. You are at fault here and you should assume your responsibilities.

yes, if the ToS is approved at the beginning we create an account on the gambling platform, then it will be our fault if we violate the conditions we have agreed to.
but if there is a ToS change and the platform does not make a notification on the web or their social media. then of course it needs to be questioned. because usually an exchange platform also makes a notification if there is a change in their terms. or any application usually sends emails regarding changes to some conditions. and if we still don't read it, of course, it will be our fault.

[lienfaye]

^^
Not reading the ToS is not an excuse.
It doesn't matter why you didn't read the ToS of the service, but if you are going to be punished then you should assume it. The terms where there in front if you and you signed with the service and acknowledged that you agree with its terms.
If they find you guilty of breaching those terms then there isn't much anyone can do. You are at fault here and you should assume your responsibilities.

yes, if the ToS is approved at the beginning we create an account on the gambling platform, then it will be our fault if we violate the conditions we have agreed to.
but if there is a ToS change and the platform does not make a notification on the web or their social media. then of course it needs to be questioned. because usually an exchange platform also makes a notification if there is a change in their terms. or any application usually sends emails regarding changes to some conditions. and if we still don't read it, of course, it will be our fault.

Many gamblers are not reading the rules and just acknowledge it to create an account. It's quite normal for many of us to directly play and not taking time to read what's written on their ToS thinking that casinos are often have similar ToS. This is the player's fault if he/she is not aware of the rules for being lazy.

On the other side, you read their ToS before creating an account. If changes are made on ToS, notifying their users are necessary so the gamblers are aware and can read what changes have been made to prevent violating it. Using the ToS are reasonable if it is clearly stated and it's not a sudden changes to use against the users. If the platform didn't notify their users, how they will know there's an added/replaced condition if they're not aware of it even before creating an account they read the rules? It's not right.

[maydna]

^^
Not reading the ToS is not an excuse.
It doesn't matter why you didn't read the ToS of the service, but if you are going to be punished then you should assume it. The terms where there in front if you and you signed with the service and acknowledged that you agree with its terms.
If they find you guilty of breaching those terms then there isn't much anyone can do. You are at fault here and you should assume your responsibilities.

yes, if the ToS is approved at the beginning we create an account on the gambling platform, then it will be our fault if we violate the conditions we have agreed to.
but if there is a ToS change and the platform does not make a notification on the web or their social media. then of course it needs to be questioned. because usually an exchange platform also makes a notification if there is a change in their terms. or any application usually sends emails regarding changes to some conditions. and if we still don't read it, of course, it will be our fault.

Gamblers often underestimate this by not reading notification emails or when they enter the casino because usually, there must be a small or big window notifying them of the change. And if they weren't alert or didn't understand, they would just close the window and go straight to the game. But some casinos only notify of changes in email so many don't check their email because they go straight to the casino site. And it can keep them from knowing if there is a change in the rules.

[jostorres]

Not reading the ToS is not an excuse.
It doesn't matter why you didn't read the ToS of the service, but if you are going to be punished then you should assume it. The terms where there in front if you and you signed with the service and acknowledged that you agree with its terms.
If they find you guilty of breaching those terms then there isn't much anyone can do. You are at fault here and you should assume your responsibilities.

Most gamblers don't understand that and they simply ignore the terms and conditions when they sign up, when someone doesn't know the rules and regulations and dos and don'ts of a platform, they will surely get in trouble at some point and they start complaining after something happens and the casino takes some action against them or don't let them withdraw their funds or something similar happens.

That is when they realize that they made a mistake by not reading the terms and conditions at the beginning when they joined the platform, or they wouldn't get in trouble right now if they had read them in the first place, but still, very few gamblers learn from their mistakes and don't repeat them.

[Docnaster]

Changing of terms and conditions without notifying the users or gamblers is normal with online gambling websites? Then when you did something wrong or about to withdraw your money they will tell you that you don't read their terms and conditions, and you start arguing with them until you decide to read the ToS again and you find out that it's different.

Some gambling websites consist of wicked owners that willingly plan to defraud their users using the ToS against them, or is this normal? Have such happened to anyone on this forum before?

I have not had an idea of the allegations you stated above but reading it seems to me like something that can happen
And that could be termed a criminal offence.
This very attitude can be checked before it becomes rampant and the best way to check it is to ensure that all casino owners make their ToS  downloadable so that on registering, I will download and have my own copy of the agreement

[Fivestar4everMVP]

Changing of terms and conditions without notifying the users or gamblers is normal with online gambling websites? Then when you did something wrong or about to withdraw your money they will tell you that you don't read their terms and conditions, and you start arguing with them until you decide to read the ToS again and you find out that it's different.

Some gambling websites consist of wicked owners that willingly plan to defraud their users using the ToS against them, or is this normal? Have such happened to anyone on this forum before?

I have not had an idea of the allegations you stated above but reading it seems to me like something that can happen
And that could be termed a criminal offence.
This very attitude can be checked before it becomes rampant and the best way to check it is to ensure that all casino owners make their ToS  downloadable so that on registering, I will download and have my own copy of the agreement

This is a great idea, but the problem is, how many casinos will get this done? I do have come across some platforms where their terms and conditions are downloadable, but I've never seen such on any casino I've used previously and presently.

What I do some times wile reading a terms and conditions of a casino is to screenshot a part I think is very sensitive, and save the shot on my Google drive, this way, can always go back to the shot anytime it seems to me something changed.

And again, it is also very possible to copy the entire terms and conditions and paste it on a text editor, and from there, you can easily convert and save it as a pdf file.

[danadc]

^^
Not reading the ToS is not an excuse.
It doesn't matter why you didn't read the ToS of the service, but if you are going to be punished then you should assume it. The terms where there in front if you and you signed with the service and acknowledged that you agree with its terms.
If they find you guilty of breaching those terms then there isn't much anyone can do. You are at fault here and you should assume your responsibilities.

yes, if the ToS is approved at the beginning we create an account on the gambling platform, then it will be our fault if we violate the conditions we have agreed to.
but if there is a ToS change and the platform does not make a notification on the web or their social media. then of course it needs to be questioned. because usually an exchange platform also makes a notification if there is a change in their terms. or any application usually sends emails regarding changes to some conditions. and if we still don't read it, of course, it will be our fault.

Gamblers often underestimate this by not reading notification emails or when they enter the casino because usually, there must be a small or big window notifying them of the change. And if they weren't alert or didn't understand, they would just close the window and go straight to the game. But some casinos only notify of changes in email so many don't check their email because they go straight to the casino site. And it can keep them from knowing if there is a change in the rules.

A player always has many things that he can achieve , among which he must be very Careful because if the players change and they do not realize it, it is likely that when they go to make withdrawals or do other types of contests, they will be taken by surprise Sometimes one when I play is not aware of the announcements they make, Because we only concentrate on playing, that is a classic, then surprises come, that is something very Common , I am not one to be Aware , but now that this Thread they talk about so Many things is a very good way to take care of my Interests.

[serjent05]

^^
Not reading the ToS is not an excuse.

True that, the registration page make sure to remind us to read the TOS but due to laziness most of us just click the box confirming we read the TOS even without actually reading it and proceed with the registration.

It doesn't matter why you didn't read the ToS of the service, but if you are going to be punished then you should assume it. The terms where there in front if you and you signed with the service and acknowledged that you agree with its terms.

Casino will always implement what is written on the TOS, so if someone breach the terms, they will get punished from temporary suspension of the account or total ban depending on the severity of the breach.

If they find you guilty of breaching those terms then there isn't much anyone can do. You are at fault here and you should assume your responsibilities.

If someone got caught breaching the TOS,  the casino will ask for the KYC first then proceed with the ban or suspension.

[Hamphser]

^^
Not reading the ToS is not an excuse.
It doesn't matter why you didn't read the ToS of the service, but if you are going to be punished then you should assume it. The terms where there in front if you and you signed with the service and acknowledged that you agree with its terms.
If they find you guilty of breaching those terms then there isn't much anyone can do. You are at fault here and you should assume your responsibilities.

Therefore, you do end up on just simply accepting those consequences even though it does hurt but its really that your fault and there's no one you could really blame on. Casinos or platforms would really be

highlighting on what you have done and on the time that you had agreed or tick up that checkbox on those terms and conditions then it does mean that you do agree in whats stated on there.

Most of us would really be just simply skipping out on reading everything which i couldn't really blame out because we are really just that too lazy and in a hurry on playing gambling
and this is why most users or players would really be definitely do miss out on reading those important points but of course we dont really mind most of the time.
We do just simply tick out and play right away and if the time comes that those terms had changed then there's nothing we can do.

[khaled0111]

Many gamblers are not reading the rules and just acknowledge it to create an account. It's quite normal for many of us to directly play and not taking time to read what's written on their ToS thinking that casinos are often have similar ToS. This is the player's fault if he/she is not aware of the rules for being lazy.

In that case, if you break one of the rules out of ignorance and the casino bans your account or confiscate your money then there is no one to blame but yourself.
The good thing about casinos is that they have pretty much the same terms except minor differences. So when reading the ToS you have to focus only on what concerns you and what you believe might be different from the casino's you are familiar with.

[Blitzboy]

Many gamblers are not reading the rules and just acknowledge it to create an account. It's quite normal for many of us to directly play and not taking time to read what's written on their ToS thinking that casinos are often have similar ToS. This is the player's fault if he/she is not aware of the rules for being lazy.

In that case, if you break one of the rules out of ignorance and the casino bans your account or confiscate your money then there is no one to blame but yourself.
The good thing about casinos is that they have pretty much the same terms except minor differences. So when reading the ToS you have to focus only on what concerns you and what you believe might be different from the casino's you are familiar with.

Overlooking a casino's rules, deliberately or accidentally, can invite unwanted outcomes. Many casinos do share similar service terms, but we should stay alert to subtle differences. Prioritizing the review of clauses affecting our gaming or transactions is wise. Let's remember, gambling is about balancing risk and reward. Knowing the game's rules and playing sensibly can enhance enjoyment while reducing risks.

[lienfaye]

Many gamblers are not reading the rules and just acknowledge it to create an account. It's quite normal for many of us to directly play and not taking time to read what's written on their ToS thinking that casinos are often have similar ToS. This is the player's fault if he/she is not aware of the rules for being lazy.

In that case, if you break one of the rules out of ignorance and the casino bans your account or confiscate your money then there is no one to blame but yourself.
The good thing about casinos is that they have pretty much the same terms except minor differences. So when reading the ToS you have to focus only on what concerns you and what you believe might be different from the casino's you are familiar with.

Indeed. It's really a must to read the casino's terms of service to know their rules. This way if you don't agree or you're not comfortable on some of their rules then you can switch playing to other casinos that best suits you. Aside from this, it's wise also to check the reviews of the particular platform to know the experience of other gamblers to help you decide if it's a good choice to stay or look for another.

Anyway, if you don't want to have headaches due to your laziness for not doing the basic things to do before playing, then always take time to read the ToS. Because this can save you from violating the rules that might hinder you to withdraw your profit if ever you win huge.

[maydna]

^^
Not reading the ToS is not an excuse.
It doesn't matter why you didn't read the ToS of the service, but if you are going to be punished then you should assume it. The terms where there in front if you and you signed with the service and acknowledged that you agree with its terms.
If they find you guilty of breaching those terms then there isn't much anyone can do. You are at fault here and you should assume your responsibilities.

yes, if the ToS is approved at the beginning we create an account on the gambling platform, then it will be our fault if we violate the conditions we have agreed to.
but if there is a ToS change and the platform does not make a notification on the web or their social media. then of course it needs to be questioned. because usually an exchange platform also makes a notification if there is a change in their terms. or any application usually sends emails regarding changes to some conditions. and if we still don't read it, of course, it will be our fault.

Gamblers often underestimate this by not reading notification emails or when they enter the casino because usually, there must be a small or big window notifying them of the change. And if they weren't alert or didn't understand, they would just close the window and go straight to the game. But some casinos only notify of changes in email so many don't check their email because they go straight to the casino site. And it can keep them from knowing if there is a change in the rules.

A player always has many things that he can achieve , among which he must be very Careful because if the players change and they do not realize it, it is likely that when they go to make withdrawals or do other types of contests, they will be taken by surprise Sometimes one when I play is not aware of the announcements they make, Because we only concentrate on playing, that is a classic, then surprises come, that is something very Common , I am not one to be Aware , but now that this Thread they talk about so Many things is a very good way to take care of my Interests.

If they never want to check the rules, they can miss the information if there is a change in the rules, and they can have difficulties when they want to withdraw the money. Even though we don't chase victory either, we also have to check the rules regularly to adjust properly because if we are lucky, we can win a lot of money. And if we don't check the rules before playing and it turns out that we win a lot of money, that can make us have to do something to be able to withdraw the winning money. So there's nothing wrong if we check the rules so we won't be disappointed later.

[Jawhead999]

If they never want to check the rules, they can miss the information if there is a change in the rules, and they can have difficulties when they want to withdraw the money. Even though we don't chase victory either, we also have to check the rules regularly to adjust properly because if we are lucky, we can win a lot of money. And if we don't check the rules before playing and it turns out that we win a lot of money, that can make us have to do something to be able to withdraw the winning money. So there's nothing wrong if we check the rules so we won't be disappointed later.

Terms of service in any regulated site is really long and you need to spend for at least 30 minutes to read an entire rules. The question is, how regular you read the whole terms? everyday? every week? every month? it's time wasting if your life is only used to read the casino terms.

Usually a regulated casino terms is similar to each other, they will ask to submit KYC including ask video or live, if you don't want to fulfill it, you will not able to withdraw your big winnings.

[pawel7777]

Terms of service in any regulated site is really long and you need to spend for at least 30 minutes to read an entire rules. The question is, how regular you read the whole terms? everyday? every week? every month? it's time wasting if your life is only used to read the casino terms.

Usually a regulated casino terms is similar to each other, they will ask to submit KYC including ask video or live, if you don't want to fulfill it, you will not able to withdraw your big winnings.

Any regulated, law-compliant casino would not be able to pull any nasty tricks on their players via changes to ToS, as the law would usually offer protection to the players, or at least their deposited funds.
And for non-regulated ones, operating from exotic jurisdictions, regular studying of their ToS is probably pointless, as they could either change them whenever they see fit, or even ignore their own rules, as you unlikely will ever be able to take any legal actions, so it's all about trust and reputation.

[uneng]

Any regulated, law-compliant casino would not be able to pull any nasty tricks on their players via changes to ToS, as the law would usually offer protection to the players, or at least their deposited funds.
And for non-regulated ones, operating from exotic jurisdictions, regular studying of their ToS is probably pointless, as they could either change them whenever they see fit, or even ignore their own rules, as you unlikely will ever be able to take any legal actions, so it's all about trust and reputation.

As far as I know casinos have to ask users to agree with terms and conditions once again every time they make changes on it, doesn't matter how little they are, just like banks and every other services do. Moreover, a timeframe must be presented for users to cashout their funds, if they disagree the new terms. If casinos attempt to change (to forge) a document which was signed by an user, they are commiting a crime and will have to pay for it if the user denounces them to regulators.

However, proof is needed and I think the only way to do this would be to download and backup a copy of the terms and conditions on the moment of the agreement.

[Docnaster]

Any regulated, law-compliant casino would not be able to pull any nasty tricks on their players via changes to ToS, as the law would usually offer protection to the players, or at least their deposited funds.
And for non-regulated ones, operating from exotic jurisdictions, regular studying of their ToS is probably pointless, as they could either change them whenever they see fit, or even ignore their own rules, as you unlikely will ever be able to take any legal actions, so it's all about trust and reputation.

As far as I know casinos have to ask users to agree with terms and conditions once again every time they make changes on it, doesn't matter how little they are, just like banks and every other services do. Moreover, a timeframe must be presented for users to cashout their funds, if they disagree the new terms. If casinos attempt to change (to forge) a document which was signed by an user, they are commiting a crime and will have to pay for it if the user denounces them to regulators.

However, proof is needed and I think the only way to do this would be to download and backup a copy of the terms and conditions on the moment of the agreement.

Making it downloadable is the only way out of this. Some casinos could actually make changes and refuse to let gamblers know just like what Op said and then clear their changes log. How will an ordinary gambler like me and you trace it. When you complain they will refer you to the ToS and since you don't have a backup of the original terms you lost the case
In most cases too, gamblers doesn't care much about ToS, they will go straight and start gambling.

[Haunebu]

This is easily one of the biggest issues with online gambling sites these days. I didn't experience this issue yet, but I have seen so many legit gamblers get screwed because of greedy sites taking advantage of the TOS.

This is why gamblers need to do their research thoroughly and regularly store proof of their important transactions which could be helpful later on.

[Questat]

This is why gamblers need to do their research thoroughly and regularly store proof of their important transactions which could be helpful later on.

It's necessary if you are gambling with a huge sum of money as you'll surely want to ensure that you can recover your winnings in case the gambling site cheats you. However, for typical gamblers who don't risk a significant amount of money, pursuing legal action can be time-consuming and a waste of effort as it takes time for gambling sites to be convicted of their wrongdoings.

[mak013]

It is so. And if the gambler would read the ToS more attentively they often wouldn`t accepted it. Lots of paragraphs are written so blurry that the casino can ban gambler, or set the limits, or cancel his bet any moment. I had such problems several times and i can`t do anything with it - it is written in the ToS. The main problem that such situation is true for the most part of the casinos and you can read all the ToS attentively and don`t like it but you have to agree with it because you`ll get the same ToS in all other casinos.

^Laziness I think why most reason gamblers did not know the terms.
However, as I notice here there are many responsible gamblers who do take the time to read and understand the terms and conditions before engaging in any gambling activities. But most of them think that some gamblers may have used similar gambling services before and assume that the terms and conditions are likely to be similar as well. This assumption can lead to complacency and a lack of thorough reading which the result is not good for us.

Sure, many gamers find TOS a roadblock and overlook it, but it's this neglect that can cause problems. The TOS isn't just wordy gibberish; it's a pact detailing rights and duties of both parties. Believing that reading TOS is time-wasting doesn't lessen its key role in warding off disputes. Gamers could dodge troubles by knowing what they're agreeing to. Promoting TOS awareness isn't useless, even if largely ignored. Skipping the TOS can lead to unexpected issues like account freezing, lost income, or quarrels with support. Thus, urging players to read TOS can spare time and future headaches.

It is so. And if the gambler would read the ToS more attentively they often wouldn`t accepted it. Lots of paragraphs are written so blurry that the casino can ban gambler, or set the limits, or cancel his bet any moment. I had such problems several times and i can`t do anything with it - it is written in the ToS. The main problem that such situation is true for the most part of the casinos and you can read all the ToS attentively and don`t like it but you have to agree with it because you`ll get the same ToS in all other casinos.

Before accepting the terms and conditions, gamblers should carefully read and understand them. Reviewing the terms can be time-consuming and challenging, but it is important for users to understand the risks and limitations associated with using a particular casino platform. ToS clauses that you find unfavorable or ambiguous must be carefully considered before you accept them. Whenever you have questions or concerns, you can reach out to the casino's customer service team. Your specific concerns may be addressed by them or they may be able to provide more information.

While many casinos have similar or even identical terms, it's still important to read each ToS carefully, as there may be subtle differences or additional clauses that may affect your experience, But I will never support changing ToS silently, in a casino want to change some certain ToS they should inform the existing customer first.

I don`t talking about reading ToS. If the gambler didn`t read the ToS and agreed with it - it is only his problem. And it doesn`t matter was the gambler lazy or just decided that it is the same ToS.
But the gambler can`t do anything with the paragraphs in the ToS. He has to agree with them or search the casino without these paragraphs. And the problem is that these paragraphs are the same for the casinos and no one will change them.

[Haunebu]

It's necessary if you are gambling with a huge sum of money as you'll surely want to ensure that you can recover your winnings in case the gambling site cheats you. However, for typical gamblers who don't risk a significant amount of money, pursuing legal action can be time-consuming and a waste of effort as it takes time for gambling sites to be convicted of their wrongdoings.

Great point. I didn't really think of that. Most victims are usually small scale gamblers who cannot do much after getting screwed over, but they can still harm the site thanks to the proof that they collected within this forum and other sites.

Problem here is that most people are lazy which is why they don't bother with collecting proof and end up regretting it later on if they face such situations.

A couple of screenshots now and then is all it takes to safeguard your account and funds.

[jostorres]

Any regulated, law-compliant casino would not be able to pull any nasty tricks on their players via changes to ToS, as the law would usually offer protection to the players, or at least their deposited funds.
And for non-regulated ones, operating from exotic jurisdictions, regular studying of their ToS is probably pointless, as they could either change them whenever they see fit, or even ignore their own rules, as you unlikely will ever be able to take any legal actions, so it's all about trust and reputation.

As far as I know casinos have to ask users to agree with terms and conditions once again every time they make changes on it, doesn't matter how little they are, just like banks and every other services do. Moreover, a timeframe must be presented for users to cashout their funds, if they disagree the new terms. If casinos attempt to change (to forge) a document which was signed by an user, they are commiting a crime and will have to pay for it if the user denounces them to regulators.

However, proof is needed and I think the only way to do this would be to download and backup a copy of the terms and conditions on the moment of the agreement.

I think casinos are way wiser than that, they generally have a statement in their terms and conditions which says that they have the right to change, remove or modify any rule or statement written in terms and conditions at any given time, and guess what? Users agree with that when they are signing up, and when users accepted that themselves, there is nothing left about it and it wouldn't be considered a crime, it might be unethical not informing the customers though.

This is the reason why a gambler should always read the terms and conditions before they join a platform and they should always keep themselves updated. Most casinos don't make changes and if they do, they let their players know, but some might do it, so gamblers need to watch out.

[pawel7777]

As far as I know casinos have to ask users to agree with terms and conditions once again every time they make changes on it, doesn't matter how little they are, just like banks and every other services do. Moreover, a timeframe must be presented for users to cashout their funds, if they disagree the new terms.

Exactly, it's not limited to casinos, but it goes to pretty much any online service. But that's assuming such service operates in compliance with the law, and there are plenty of casinos that operate illegally or half-legally (which is not necessarily a bad thing though).

Most victims are usually small scale gamblers who cannot do much after getting screwed over, but they can still harm the site thanks to the proof that they collected within this forum and other sites.

I think if the casino is trying to pull a scam, it would be easier to screw few big players than hundreds of small ones, as in the latter scenario, a larger group of victims would make much more noise online and the word would spread much faster.
From the legal perspective: if casino has chosen to pull up a scam, they wouldn't care about any legal action anyway. And if they operate legally and screwed people unintentionally, then you'd expect authorities to eventually step in and order them to make the players whole.

[GiftedMAN]

Many gamblers are not reading the rules and just acknowledge it to create an account. It's quite normal for many of us to directly play and not taking time to read what's written on their ToS thinking that casinos are often have similar ToS. This is the player's fault if he/she is not aware of the rules for being lazy.

In that case, if you break one of the rules out of ignorance and the casino bans your account or confiscate your money then there is no one to blame but yourself.
The good thing about casinos is that they have pretty much the same terms except minor differences. So when reading the ToS you have to focus only on what concerns you and what you believe might be different from the casino's you are familiar with.

Overlooking a casino's rules, deliberately or accidentally, can invite unwanted outcomes. Many casinos do share similar service terms, but we should stay alert to subtle differences. Prioritizing the review of clauses affecting our gaming or transactions is wise. Let's remember, gambling is about balancing risk and reward. Knowing the game's rules and playing sensibly can enhance enjoyment while reducing risks.

The terms and conditions are meant to guide every gamblers on making the right choice and following the already set down rules so that they can bet in the type of games they like without breaching at rules. It is important for us to always check the terms and see if there is any changes even though we are not notified about any changes in the terms we are ought to follow. It a sense of manipulation if a casino is not updating there terms and informing customers at the same time to check it out and keep abiding by the rules.

[Haunebu]

And if they operate legally and screwed people unintentionally, then you'd expect authorities to eventually step in and order them to make the players whole.

The authorities cannot really do much to anonymous crypto gambling sites operating discreetly from around the world which is one of the biggest pros and cons of crypto gambling in my honest opinion.

Many victims tried to file lawsuits against scammy crypto gambling sites and failed primarily due to this particular issue.

[delfastTions]

And if they operate legally and screwed people unintentionally, then you'd expect authorities to eventually step in and order them to make the players whole.

The authorities cannot really do much to anonymous crypto gambling sites operating discreetly from around the world which is one of the biggest pros and cons of crypto gambling in my honest opinion.

Many victims tried to file lawsuits against scammy crypto gambling sites and failed primarily due to this particular issue.

I think that the authorities are simply not able to keep track of the many casinos in general in the global gambling industry, since there are so many of these casinos themselves and they are all registered in different jurisdictions.  Some of these casinos have licenses, such as the Curacao license, some say they have a license and even show a scanned copy of the document, although this is a fake, some do not mention licensing at all.  So in general, in the flow of this information, which is generally a mixture of truth and lies, and as a rule there are more lies, it is extremely difficult to calculate and take response measures from law enforcement officers.  And there is also the problem of the territorial registration of the casino or false registration.

 I hope the authorities and law enforcement officers will guess with time and the development of technical progress to connect AI to the search for calculations and blocking casinos that have at least the slightest signs of fraud.  There is only one hope that here AI will help humanity. 
Although I'm not at all sure that scammers will not be able to deceive AI either. 

[Sanitough]

I think that the authorities are simply not able to keep track of the many casinos in general in the global gambling industry, since there are so many of these casinos themselves and they are all registered in different jurisdictions. 

The thing is, if a casino is registered in a different jurisdiction, it may not be regulated by the local authorities. The authorities would only be able to take action if there are complaints from gamblers that they can investigate. However, the problem is that most gamblers are reluctant to file a case, especially if the amount involved is not significant and it would require investing their time.

That's why communities like bitcointalk exist. They provide a platform where we can give feedback on casinos with bad reputations, allowing people to avoid them.

[maydna]

If they never want to check the rules, they can miss the information if there is a change in the rules, and they can have difficulties when they want to withdraw the money. Even though we don't chase victory either, we also have to check the rules regularly to adjust properly because if we are lucky, we can win a lot of money. And if we don't check the rules before playing and it turns out that we win a lot of money, that can make us have to do something to be able to withdraw the winning money. So there's nothing wrong if we check the rules so we won't be disappointed later.

Terms of service in any regulated site is really long and you need to spend for at least 30 minutes to read an entire rules. The question is, how regular you read the whole terms? everyday? every week? every month? it's time wasting if your life is only used to read the casino terms.

Usually a regulated casino terms is similar to each other, they will ask to submit KYC including ask video or live, if you don't want to fulfill it, you will not able to withdraw your big winnings.

How come it's a waste of time? It's worth doing to see if there is a change or you can also wait until there is notification from the casino about the change in the rules. Perhaps, once a month could be the time to read the rules. After all, it's for your own good rather than later regret because of a rule change.

Well, it's usually like that but we don't know what changes the casino will make. For this reason, we must try to find out for ourselves. If we have done KYC, it seems like everything will be fine, but who knows?

[pawel7777]

How come it's a waste of time? It's worth doing to see if there is a change or you can also wait until there is notification from the casino about the change in the rules. Perhaps, once a month could be the time to read the rules. After all, it's for your own good rather than later regret because of a rule change.

Well, it's usually like that but we don't know what changes the casino will make. For this reason, we must try to find out for ourselves. If we have done KYC, it seems like everything will be fine, but who knows?

Do you actually do that yourself, or just decided it's a smart thing to preach to others? Do you actually dedicate a big chunk of your life to sit down and study all the ToSs of all the services that you use just to see if there have been any changes (do you run version compare in Word lol)?

Yes, reading entire ToSs is usually pointless, unless you want to learn about some specific rule that interests you, but for an average, regular user, that's not necessary and nobody does that in practice (yourself included).

[maydna]

How come it's a waste of time? It's worth doing to see if there is a change or you can also wait until there is notification from the casino about the change in the rules. Perhaps, once a month could be the time to read the rules. After all, it's for your own good rather than later regret because of a rule change.

Well, it's usually like that but we don't know what changes the casino will make. For this reason, we must try to find out for ourselves. If we have done KYC, it seems like everything will be fine, but who knows?

Do you actually do that yourself, or just decided it's a smart thing to preach to others? Do you actually dedicate a big chunk of your life to sit down and study all the ToSs of all the services that you use just to see if there have been any changes (do you run version compare in Word lol)?

Yes, reading entire ToSs is usually pointless, unless you want to learn about some specific rule that interests you, but for an average, regular user, that's not necessary and nobody does that in practice (yourself included).

I do it myself, but since I don't gamble too much, I don't need it because I only gamble for fun and not for the pursuit of winning. I don't need to read all the ToS of all services because I've seen several notifications sent to my email or when I log in to my account. If you are a real gambler, you certainly don't want to get into trouble just for not reading the changes in the rules, do you?

Usually, the casino will notify all of its members if there is a change in the rules. The last time I looked at Stake, it popped up a window containing its latest rules and asking gamblers to agree to them.

[Mr.right85]

Changing of terms and conditions without notifying the users or gamblers is normal with online gambling websites? Then when you did something wrong or about to withdraw your money they will tell you that you don't read their terms and conditions, and you start arguing with them until you decide to read the ToS again and you find out that it's different.

Some gambling websites consist of wicked owners that willingly plan to defraud their users using the ToS against them, or is this normal? Have such happened to anyone on this forum before?

I don't find it abnormal for gambling sites to update there terms of service. What I find unusual is them having not yo send it out to there customers, using whatever means of notification available to them like they do with there promotions. That's outrightly wrong and casinosbor sportsbook found with this sort of behaviour should look into it or  looked into.
Terms of service updated after registration is usually not considered binding on old existing customers except given the opportunity to reconsider there stands with the update. That's what's obtainable and how it should be done.
There are news feeds and even at that, the mails be sent out as a means of fulfilling all righteousness.

[Wiwo]

How come it's a waste of time? It's worth doing to see if there is a change or you can also wait until there is notification from the casino about the change in the rules. Perhaps, once a month could be the time to read the rules. After all, it's for your own good rather than later regret because of a rule change.

Well, it's usually like that but we don't know what changes the casino will make. For this reason, we must try to find out for ourselves. If we have done KYC, it seems like everything will be fine, but who knows?

Do you actually do that yourself, or just decided it's a smart thing to preach to others? Do you actually dedicate a big chunk of your life to sit down and studying all the ToSs of all the services that you use just to see if there have been any changes (do you run version compare in Word lol)?

Yes, reading entire ToSs is usually pointless, unless you want to learn about some specific rule that interests you, but for an average, regular user, that's not necessary and nobody does that in practice (yourself included).

I do it myself, but since I don't gamble too much, I don't need it because I only gamble for fun and not for the pursuit of winning. I don't need to read all the ToS of all services because I've seen several notifications sent to my email or when I log in to my account. If you are a real gambler, you certainly don't want to get into trouble just for not reading the changes in the rules, do you?

Usually, the casino will notify all of its members if there is a change in the rules. The last time I looked at Stake, it popped up a window containing its latest rules and asking gamblers to agree to them.

I believe that there is no loss in reading the TOS of a gambling site before registering because that is what will provide you with the guide on how to protect yourself from falling into trouble while you are playing on the site,  but a lot of gamblers don't take note of that and at the end fall into problems on the long run and this is something the great of us should learn from.

We have to read the terms and conditions of the casino we want to gamble on for the long term,  what I do is read only the TOS of the casinos I like most since the document can be large sometimesmes.

[Bushdark]

Changing of terms and conditions without notifying the users or gamblers is normal with online gambling websites? Then when you did something wrong or about to withdraw your money they will tell you that you don't read their terms and conditions, and you start arguing with them until you decide to read the ToS again and you find out that it's different.

Some gambling websites consist of wicked owners that willingly plan to defraud their users using the ToS against them, or is this normal? Have such happened to anyone on this forum before?

I don't find it abnormal for gambling sites to update there terms of service. What I find unusual is them having not yo send it out to there customers, using whatever means of notification available to them like they do with there promotions. That's outrightly wrong and casinosbor sportsbook found with this sort of behaviour should look into it or  looked into.
Terms of service updated after registration is usually not considered binding on old existing customers except given the opportunity to reconsider there stands with the update. That's what's obtainable and how it should be done.
There are news feeds and even at that, the mails be sent out as a means of fulfilling all righteousness.

This is a fraudulent act and they are based on different reasons that we might not know. Some time they may send the updated terms and conditions to some gamblers why leaving others without notifying them. This is why we need to use casinos thatbhave at least some good reputation even though in the past. I know people chances likewise casinos too.

It is better for us to choose from the casinos that have there threads on this forum so that when we have problem, we can easily run to the for our problem to be resolve without plenty writeups and complaints. This is a safe place where there are plenty of casinos where we can always move from one casino to another without having a problem of withdrawal or scam. So many threads here that we can check and reach the team anytime we have problems to be resolved.

[South Park]

I believe that there is no loss in reading the TOS of a gambling site before registering because that is what will provide you with the guide on how to protect yourself from falling into trouble while you are playing on the site,  but a lot of gamblers don't take note of that and at the end fall into problems on the long run and this is something the great of us should learn from.

We have to read the terms and conditions of the casino we want to gamble on for the long term,  what I do is read only the TOS of the casinos I like most since the document can be large sometimesmes.

Most people do not bother reading the terms of service of each casino as they think every casino out there is using a similar template and the rules should be roughly the same, and while they may have a point there, just a small difference in one rule can be the difference between becoming profitable and getting your account closed down because you violated one of their rules, so whenever a gambler begins to gamble at a new casino they need to read those terms so they do not get surprised with some unfair rules the casino could have put there.

[SamReomo]

I believe that there is no loss in reading the TOS of a gambling site before registering because that is what will provide you with the guide on how to protect yourself from falling into trouble while you are playing on the site,  but a lot of gamblers don't take note of that and at the end fall into problems on the long run and this is something the great of us should learn from.

We have to read the terms and conditions of the casino we want to gamble on for the long term,  what I do is read only the TOS of the casinos I like most since the document can be large sometimesmes.

Most people do not bother reading the terms of service of each casino as they think every casino out there is using a similar template and the rules should be roughly the same, and while they may have a point there, just a small difference in one rule can be the difference between becoming profitable and getting your account closed down because you violated one of their rules, so whenever a gambler begins to gamble at a new casino they need to read those terms so they do not get surprised with some unfair rules the casino could have put there.

That's very true because it's a fact that most of the gamblers avoid reading T&C of a casino site, and they doesn't care if the Casino has any strict rules or not. Many gamblers start gambling as soon as they register their account, and few people just deposit crypto-currencies and doesn't even care about KYC because of the entertainment part. That's the main reason why most of the gamblers accounts are frozen.

Some of those gamblers use VPN to hide their real IP address, and most of those VPN's are free, and they all share the same IP addresses to all users. Even if a single user who visit the site using the VPN's IP address performs a malicious activity, the all users on the IP address could face troubles in future. A gambler should read the T&C of a gambling site carefully before doing any kind of gambling on that casino, otherwise they will have to bear the consequences of their greediness.

[Fortify]

Changing of terms and conditions without notifying the users or gamblers is normal with online gambling websites? Then when you did something wrong or about to withdraw your money they will tell you that you don't read their terms and conditions, and you start arguing with them until you decide to read the ToS again and you find out that it's different.

Some gambling websites consist of wicked owners that willingly plan to defraud their users using the ToS against them, or is this normal? Have such happened to anyone on this forum before?

It's worth pointing out that terms of service cannot overrule the rule of law in the relevant jurisdictions and if they try to impose unfair rule changes by stealth then they can possibly open themselves up to all sorts of legal remedies. However, it is an unusual scenario to see a major rule change that would be unfair to most users because they are usually just small tweaks made when new avenues of abuse are opened up against the casinos. Things like this are very bad for business and many sites usually evolve over time but have the foundations of their terms of service pretty broad at the beginning. Sometimes it'll work in the users favor if they get more specific about certain scenarios that may apply or it might even be initiated by legal action against them.

[danadc]

If they never want to check the rules, they can miss the information if there is a change in the rules, and they can have difficulties when they want to withdraw the money. Even though we don't chase victory either, we also have to check the rules regularly to adjust properly because if we are lucky, we can win a lot of money. And if we don't check the rules before playing and it turns out that we win a lot of money, that can make us have to do something to be able to withdraw the winning money. So there's nothing wrong if we check the rules so we won't be disappointed later.

Terms of service in any regulated site is really long and you need to spend for at least 30 minutes to read an entire rules. The question is, how regular you read the whole terms? everyday? every week? every month? it's time wasting if your life is only used to read the casino terms.

Usually a regulated casino terms is similar to each other, they will ask to submit KYC including ask video or live, if you don't want to fulfill it, you will not able to withdraw your big winnings.

How come it's a waste of time? It's worth doing to see if there is a change or you can also wait until there is notification from the casino about the change in the rules. Perhaps, once a month could be the time to read the rules. After all, it's for your own good rather than later regret because of a rule change.

Well, it's usually like that but we don't know what changes the casino will make. For this reason, we must try to find out for ourselves. If we have done KYC, it seems like everything will be fine, but who knows?

I never trust something like that, for me it is very important that the things that can occur such as having the terms correctly set without changes, because first I am not a player who always reads the terms, I have gotten rough for not reading, And if I enter a casino where I read the terms and I don't see anything favorable to me but that it is constantly changing, I don't stay because that is something that does not give me confidence, how can I trust a casino like this? there is no way, if I see that they change it is because they do it at the convenience of the casino, they will never do it to benefit the players, they will not be stupid to do it.

[Renampun]

Changing of terms and conditions without notifying the users or gamblers is normal with online gambling websites? Then when you did something wrong or about to withdraw your money they will tell you that you don't read their terms and conditions, and you start arguing with them until you decide to read the ToS again and you find out that it's different.

Some gambling websites consist of wicked owners that willingly plan to defraud their users using the ToS against them, or is this normal? Have such happened to anyone on this forum before?

Trusted gambling sites will definitely keep their users informed about any events or changes that occur to their gambling sites (especially for countries that are not so friendly to casinos and cryptocurrency). changes will always be there and we can't refuse it but if the TOS changes in the casino, they don't inform the user in advance then most likely the site is trying to deceive users (immediately withdraw your money and leave the gambling site before they make it difficult for you to do that).

[Hamphser]

If they never want to check the rules, they can miss the information if there is a change in the rules, and they can have difficulties when they want to withdraw the money. Even though we don't chase victory either, we also have to check the rules regularly to adjust properly because if we are lucky, we can win a lot of money. And if we don't check the rules before playing and it turns out that we win a lot of money, that can make us have to do something to be able to withdraw the winning money. So there's nothing wrong if we check the rules so we won't be disappointed later.

Terms of service in any regulated site is really long and you need to spend for at least 30 minutes to read an entire rules. The question is, how regular you read the whole terms? everyday? every week? every month? it's time wasting if your life is only used to read the casino terms.

Usually a regulated casino terms is similar to each other, they will ask to submit KYC including ask video or live, if you don't want to fulfill it, you will not able to withdraw your big winnings.

How come it's a waste of time? It's worth doing to see if there is a change or you can also wait until there is notification from the casino about the change in the rules. Perhaps, once a month could be the time to read the rules. After all, it's for your own good rather than later regret because of a rule change.

Well, it's usually like that but we don't know what changes the casino will make. For this reason, we must try to find out for ourselves. If we have done KYC, it seems like everything will be fine, but who knows?

I never trust something like that, for me it is very important that the things that can occur such as having the terms correctly set without changes, because first I am not a player who always reads the terms, I have gotten rough for not reading, And if I enter a casino where I read the terms and I don't see anything favorable to me but that it is constantly changing, I don't stay because that is something that does not give me confidence, how can I trust a casino like this? there is no way, if I see that they change it is because they do it at the convenience of the casino, they will never do it to benefit the players, they will not be stupid to do it.

99% on which most of us do really neglect out on reading up TOS on which it would really be a reason on why we do users do really experience out that kind of problem on which on the time that they would be making

out some silent changes or doesnt really able to make some announcement then it would really make lots of people would really be committing out such violation on which means that lots of users funds would be locked up or would be forfeited or something like that. It is really thats somewhat shady if they do really have that kind of behavior on which it would really be just that ethical if they would be at least
having those kind of small announcement about telling the users that they made up some changes.

Despite on not really that too relevant or something that not necessary but having at least the time on saying up such changes would be more preferable.

[harizen]

Some of those gamblers use VPN to hide their real IP address, and most of those VPN's are free, and they all share the same IP addresses to all users. Even if a single user who visit the site using the VPN's IP address performs a malicious activity, the all users on the IP address could face troubles in future.

Although generally, VPNs are mostly accepted by some gambling sites, users just have to make sure that they are using them for a good purpose.

It's fine to hide the IP address as long as the user is still accessing the site in a supported country or region.

But in the case of using VPN in the prohibited countries, that was a different story and is now subject to account suspension or possibly termination.

A gambler should read the T&C of a gambling site carefully before doing any kind of gambling on that casino, otherwise they will have to bear the consequences of their greediness.

How does greediness have something to do with it? Users just want to gamble.

If you are referring to bonuses, it's actually tough to abuse bonuses nowadays. Gambling sites are wise.

[Blitzboy]

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99% on which most of us do really neglect out on reading up TOS on which it would really be a reason on why we do users do really experience out that kind of problem on which on the time that they would be making

out some silent changes or doesnt really able to make some announcement then it would really make lots of people would really be committing out such violation on which means that lots of users funds would be locked up or would be forfeited or something like that. It is really thats somewhat shady if they do really have that kind of behavior on which it would really be just that ethical if they would be at least
having those kind of small announcement about telling the users that they made up some changes.

Despite on not really that too relevant or something that not necessary but having at least the time on saying up such changes would be more preferable.

Your worries about platforms skipping user alerts on service term updates are justifiable. It breaches the transparency ethos, a cornerstone of the Bitcoin community. Clearly, platforms must up their game. Tools like auto-alerts or bulletins could pave the path. Not only boosting transparency, but nurturing community trust and fairness. Despite hurdles, Im optimistic. Bitcoin's essence invites self-regulation. As a collective, we can urge platforms to raise their standards. United, we can effect change.

[maydna]

I believe that there is no loss in reading the TOS of a gambling site before registering because that is what will provide you with the guide on how to protect yourself from falling into trouble while you are playing on the site,  but a lot of gamblers don't take note of that and at the end fall into problems on the long run and this is something the great of us should learn from.

We have to read the terms and conditions of the casino we want to gamble on for the long term,  what I do is read only the TOS of the casinos I like most since the document can be large sometimesmes.

That is the point because by reading the TOS, we can know more about the rules made by the casino so that we don't experience any problems while playing gambling. We also have to pay attention to what is allowed and what is not allowed because this has been experienced by many gamblers who are not careful in reading their TOS. Even though reading the TOS might take a long time, it's still worth doing because it's for our own good in playing gambling. Later, if we win and want to withdraw the money, we already know what to do to withdraw the money smoothly.

I never trust something like that, for me it is very important that the things that can occur such as having the terms correctly set without changes, because first I am not a player who always reads the terms, I have gotten rough for not reading, And if I enter a casino where I read the terms and I don't see anything favorable to me but that it is constantly changing, I don't stay because that is something that does not give me confidence, how can I trust a casino like this? there is no way, if I see that they change it is because they do it at the convenience of the casino, they will never do it to benefit the players, they will not be stupid to do it.

The rules at the casino can change at any time, without or with notification and this requires our attention so that we can be aware of these changes and we need to adapt to the new regulations. It's better for us to take a moment to know the rules than to regret them later because when we want to withdraw the winning money but find ourselves in trouble, it will disappoint us. There may be a reason the casino changed the rules so that people who don't see the TOS can get in trouble. But a trusted and good casino will always notify you if there is a change in the rules.

[wiss19]

I never trust something like that, for me it is very important that the things that can occur such as having the terms correctly set without changes, because first I am not a player who always reads the terms, I have gotten rough for not reading, And if I enter a casino where I read the terms and I don't see anything favorable to me but that it is constantly changing, I don't stay because that is something that does not give me confidence, how can I trust a casino like this? there is no way, if I see that they change it is because they do it at the convenience of the casino, they will never do it to benefit the players, they will not be stupid to do it.

For everything they do on their platforms, they might show this way, but it isn't to benefit the players because they are running businesses and they need to take care of their revenue generation instead of taking care of players and their benefits. I know that there are some casinos that care too much about their gamblers because they know that they are nothing without them and their platform will be useless if there are no gamblers.

But that isn't the case with every casino out there, that is the reason why we should be vigilant when choosing a platform where we will gamble because not all of them are the same nor they are all trusted at the same level whether it's about terms and conditions or anything else.

[virasisog]

I never trust something like that, for me it is very important that the things that can occur such as having the terms correctly set without changes, because first I am not a player who always reads the terms, I have gotten rough for not reading, And if I enter a casino where I read the terms and I don't see anything favorable to me but that it is constantly changing, I don't stay because that is something that does not give me confidence, how can I trust a casino like this? there is no way, if I see that they change it is because they do it at the convenience of the casino, they will never do it to benefit the players, they will not be stupid to do it.

For everything they do on their platforms, they might show this way, but it isn't to benefit the players because they are running businesses and they need to take care of their revenue generation instead of taking care of players and their benefits. I know that there are some casinos that care too much about their gamblers because they know that they are nothing without them and their platform will be useless if there are no gamblers.

But that isn't the case with every casino out there, that is the reason why we should be vigilant when choosing a platform where we will gamble because not all of them are the same nor they are all trusted at the same level whether it's about terms and conditions or anything else.

There are shady casinos that simply care about their bottom line and don't value their customers. In some cases, the TOS have even been applied to penalize winning customers. Numerous complaints have been made against these kinds of casinos, thus it is understandable that their reputation has also been harmed by their behavior.

But when it comes to reputable casinos, I don't think they will do such thing because they will not allow their reputation to be affected negatively by that kind of act. They are following what's in the TOS and they are not even using it against their players. They know how to value their gamblers because they are the ones who generate funds for their business.

They still have the right to change their TOS anytime but they are also informing their gamblers. However, it is still our personal responsibility to check on the changes from time to time. Yes, reading will be time consuming but it will still be best for our future activities and transactions. We still have a part in assuring our wellness in a casino site.

[pawel7777]

I do it myself, but since I don't gamble too much, I don't need it because I only gamble for fun and not for the pursuit of winning. I don't need to read all the ToS of all services because I've seen several notifications sent to my email or when I log in to my account.

I find it hard to believe that you have actually read a full ToS of any gambling site, it doesn't make sense especially when you don't gamble too much. Why would you spend a chunk of your free time to read them if you only wanted to play a little bit? It does not add up.

Sure, sending notifications of any changes is a good practice, but did Stake.com actually obliged themselves (in the ToS) to send notifications of any changes? If not, you'd still have to read them everytime you log in, if you want to practice what you preach.

If you are a real gambler, you certainly don't want to get into trouble just for not reading the changes in the rules, do you?

If you're a real gambler, you'll take a gamble of not reading them 
But seriously, as mentioned before, unless you're looking for a specific, nuanced information, reading ToS doesn't help much and does not guarantee you won't get in trouble, as those would almost always be worded in favour of the house, not the player. So what really protects you is either the law, or a hope that casino is genuine and will not engage in any shady practice out of a fear of losing reputation.

[klidex]

The rules at the casino can change at any time, without or with notification and this requires our attention so that we can be aware of these changes and we need to adapt to the new regulations. It's better for us to take a moment to know the rules than to regret them later because when we want to withdraw the winning money but find ourselves in trouble, it will disappoint us. There may be a reason the casino changed the rules so that people who don't see the TOS can get in trouble. But a trusted and good casino will always notify you if there is a change in the rules.

Yes, not all casinos will give notifications when there are changes to the TOS, but as I recall, the popular casinos that I currently use, such as Stake.com, will notify you when you open the site after the TOS changes have been made.
Like last time when Stake changed the TOS and I opened the site and there was a notification that there was a change in the TOS that had been determined.
It is at that time that we are obliged to read the changes that have occurred so that we avoid the problem of violating the TOS.
Maybe not all casinos will have the same notices but I hope we all at least read a little bit about the more important TOS we have to comply with.

[mak013]

Changing of terms and conditions without notifying the users or gamblers is normal with online gambling websites? Then when you did something wrong or about to withdraw your money they will tell you that you don't read their terms and conditions, and you start arguing with them until you decide to read the ToS again and you find out that it's different.

Some gambling websites consist of wicked owners that willingly plan to defraud their users using the ToS against them, or is this normal? Have such happened to anyone on this forum before?

Trusted gambling sites will definitely keep their users informed about any events or changes that occur to their gambling sites (especially for countries that are not so friendly to casinos and cryptocurrency). changes will always be there and we can't refuse it but if the TOS changes in the casino, they don't inform the user in advance then most likely the site is trying to deceive users (immediately withdraw your money and leave the gambling site before they make it difficult for you to do that).

It isn`t so. Lots of casinos just have a paragraph in ToS that they can change ToS as they want and the gambler has to check it regulary.
The best of them after changes makes a gambler to accept it again but it is rare situation. And anyway even such casinos ToS contains some paragraphs that allows to cancel gambler`s win.

[piebeyb]

The rules at the casino can change at any time, without or with notification and this requires our attention so that we can be aware of these changes and we need to adapt to the new regulations. It's better for us to take a moment to know the rules than to regret them later because when we want to withdraw the winning money but find ourselves in trouble, it will disappoint us. There may be a reason the casino changed the rules so that people who don't see the TOS can get in trouble. But a trusted and good casino will always notify you if there is a change in the rules.

Yes, not all casinos will give notifications when there are changes to the TOS, but as I recall, the popular casinos that I currently use, such as Stake.com, will notify you when you open the site after the TOS changes have been made.
Like last time when Stake changed the TOS and I opened the site and there was a notification that there was a change in the TOS that had been determined.
It is at that time that we are obliged to read the changes that have occurred so that we avoid the problem of violating the TOS.
Maybe not all casinos will have the same notices but I hope we all at least read a little bit about the more important TOS we have to comply with.

Yes if I'm not mistaken not long ago I also received a notification that there was a change in the TOS from my account at Stake and made sure we read it too and agreed, that's why I always believe in Stake , because maybe not all casinos do the same with Stake, but this i say not because i brought their site signature campaign but i believe all Stake users might see that notification in their account.

Tos changes that are not known by the user, in my opinion, is a crime committed by the casino secretly to commit fraud and steal user money. usually maybe it only happens in small and new casinos, don't know in other casinos besides stake. whether they do the same or not. I have no experience at other casinos.

[Coin_trader]

Yes if I'm not mistaken not long ago I also received a notification that there was a change in the TOS from my account at Stake and made sure we read it too and agreed, that's why I always believe in Stake , because maybe not all casinos do the same with Stake, but this i say not because i brought their site signature campaign but i believe all Stake users might see that notification in their account.

I open my Stake account just now and this ToS update popup on my screen while I need to agree first before I can play the casino. This is a good feature of Stake to make all the players updated but the only thing I hate about this was they included the whole ToS instead of just highlighting what's new to save time for players on noting what's to look out. It's very hard to read the full ToS written on the small notification box and there's a high tendency that user will just skip to the last part and confirm just to close the notification box.

Tos changes that are not known by the user, in my opinion, is a crime committed by the casino secretly to commit fraud and steal user money. usually maybe it only happens in small and new casinos, don't know in other casinos besides stake. whether they do the same or not. I have no experience at other casinos.

It's a crime if the changes on ToS is important that can affect the users current gameplay but if it's just minor update then it's not a big deal. As a player. We should be updated always on the casino terms since we are risking our money on their services.

[maydna]

I find it hard to believe that you have actually read a full ToS of any gambling site, it doesn't make sense especially when you don't gamble too much. Why would you spend a chunk of your free time to read them if you only wanted to play a little bit? It does not add up.

Sure, sending notifications of any changes is a good practice, but did Stake.com actually obliged themselves (in the ToS) to send notifications of any changes? If not, you'd still have to read them everytime you log in, if you want to practice what you preach.

I'm not asking you to believe I've read it

But that's what I do. After all, I do it maybe once every two weeks or once a month, just to ensure nothing changes. Well, I don't gamble much, so I have a lot of free time to read or browse the site to find great deals. Stake.com did it a while ago and activated a small window that would pop up, notifying them that something had changed in their change. You can check @Coin_trader replied.

If you're a real gambler, you'll take a gamble of not reading them 
But seriously, as mentioned before, unless you're looking for a specific, nuanced information, reading ToS doesn't help much and does not guarantee you won't get in trouble, as those would almost always be worded in favour of the house, not the player. So what really protects you is either the law, or a hope that casino is genuine and will not engage in any shady practice out of a fear of losing reputation.

How could a real gambler not take the time to read his TOS? Or is this what happens with the many complaints of people who have hundreds or thousands of dollars in balances in their accounts but are suddenly blocked due to violations? What really protects you when playing gambling is just playing with the money you can afford.

Yes, not all casinos will give notifications when there are changes to the TOS, but as I recall, the popular casinos that I currently use, such as Stake.com, will notify you when you open the site after the TOS changes have been made.
Like last time when Stake changed the TOS and I opened the site and there was a notification that there was a change in the TOS that had been determined.
It is at that time that we are obliged to read the changes that have occurred so that we avoid the problem of violating the TOS.
Maybe not all casinos will have the same notices but I hope we all at least read a little bit about the more important TOS we have to comply with.

Stake.com has done that a while back. And they ask us to read it because it's important that we don't break it. So reading the TOS is recommended even though many gamblers don't like to read the TOS because it's too long.

[pawel7777]

But that's what I do. After all, I do it maybe once every two weeks or once a month, just to ensure nothing changes. Well, I don't gamble much, so I have a lot of free time to read or browse the site to find great deals. Stake.com did it a while ago and activated a small window that would pop up, notifying them that something had changed in their change. You can check @Coin_trader replied.

That's very nice of them, but that's not what I asked. I asked if they obliged themselves to notify you of any changes. If not, you can't rely on notifications alone, and, to be consistent with your approach, you'd have to read the ToS (or at least check for changes) each time you log in.

How could a real gambler not take the time to read his TOS? Or is this what happens with the many complaints of people who have hundreds or thousands of dollars in balances in their accounts but are suddenly blocked due to violations?

Define 'real gambler'. I feel we have a different idea of what this means.
Can you post a single example of anyone being locked out of hundreds of thousands, which could've been prevented if they had read the ToS? Have you ever seen a ToS saying "we can lock you out of your funds permanently"? Usually the wording is pretty vague and can be interpreted in many ways.

What really protects you when playing gambling is just playing with the money you can afford.

How is losing money I can afford to lose protecting me from losing money? It just makes losing less painful.

Stake.com has done that a while back. And they ask us to read it because it's important that we don't break it. So reading the TOS is recommended even though many gamblers don't like to read the TOS because it's too long.

People don't read them not only because their long, but also because every single service will give themselves a right to change them at any time, so it's kind of pointless. And if the casino operates in your jurisdiction, in a way you could take legal action against them if they misbehave, then the law would usually provide you a decent protection.

[PX-Z]

Sure, sending notifications of any changes is a good practice, but did Stake.com actually obliged themselves (in the ToS) to send notifications of any changes? If not, you'd still have to read them everytime you log in, if you want to practice what you preach.

This is the cheatsheet of every casino that lawmakers should check and I knew every service is required by law to do that^{(notifying when there's a change in TOS at least 2 weeks before)}. But stake mentioned on its TOS that they can change their TOS with or without notifying its users so you need to read it regularly like its just 3-5 lines sentences amp.

[Wiwo]

Sure, sending notifications of any changes is a good practice, but did Stake.com actually obliged themselves (in the ToS) to send notifications of any changes? If not, you'd still have to read them everytime you log in, if you want to practice what you preach.

This is the cheatsheet of every casino that lawmakers should check and I knew every service is required by law to do that^{(notifying when there's a change in TOS at least 2 weeks before)}. But stake mentioned on its TOS that they can change their TOS with or without notifying its users so you need to read it regularly like its just 3-5 lines sentences amp.

The question now is that,  how often should one read the TOS because if casinos already mentioned that they could change the Term and condition at any time without informing their client and the client need to stay updated that means customers on their site will have to read the terms and conditions almost every day and that is impossible to do when the document is always large to read through and come out from it as soon as possible, thos have become the masseur reasons why most casino users never border to read through that documents just by a glance.
But most times some scam casinos also use this issue of TOS to steal from players and then change the terms and conditions just to serve their selfish interests in the long run.

[Blitzboy]

Sure, sending notifications of any changes is a good practice, but did Stake.com actually obliged themselves (in the ToS) to send notifications of any changes? If not, you'd still have to read them everytime you log in, if you want to practice what you preach.

This is the cheatsheet of every casino that lawmakers should check and I knew every service is required by law to do that^{(notifying when there's a change in TOS at least 2 weeks before)}. But stake mentioned on its TOS that they can change their TOS with or without notifying its users so you need to read it regularly like its just 3-5 lines sentences amp.

The question now is that,  how often should one read the TOS because if casinos already mentioned that they could change the Term and condition at any time without informing their client and the client need to stay updated that means customers on their site will have to read the terms and conditions almost every day and that is impossible to do when the document is always large to read through and come out from it as soon as possible, thos have become the masseur reasons why most casino users never border to read through that documents just by a glance.
But most times some scam casinos also use this issue of TOS to steal from players and then change the terms and conditions just to serve their selfish interests in the long run.

I agree entirely. Its ludicrous to expect users to pore over the TOS regularly. This expectation of constant vigilance is more in favor of the casinos rather than their clientele. And truth be told, its a crafty legal loophole exploited by them. However, one might argue that a responsible player should familiarize themselves with the TOS, as cumbersome as it may be. After all, it's their money on the line. Still, expecting daily updates? Thats straight-up outrageous

And don't even get me started on those scammy casinos that modify their TOS to suit their ends. It's high time some strict regulations are put into place to hold them accountable.

[PX-Z]

And don't even get me started on those scammy casinos that modify their TOS to suit their ends. It's high time some strict regulations are put into place to hold them accountable.

Best thing is to always have an archive of the TOS page ehen you register and when you read it again so on and so forth. But it's useless if the casino is really want to scam its user(s). Better to use a trusted one to have lesser issues in the future.

[lionheart78]

And don't even get me started on those scammy casinos that modify their TOS to suit their ends. It's high time some strict regulations are put into place to hold them accountable.

Best thing is to always have an archive of the TOS page ehen you register and when you read it again so on and so forth. But it's useless if the casino is really want to scam its user(s). Better to use a trusted one to have lesser issues in the future.

True, scam casinos can even make their TOS so player-sided in order to trap these unsuspecting victims to register on their site and play.  Since they are scam platforms, they won't care about their reputation anyway and will keep on scamming any player that had been caught by their trap. 

On the other hand, reputable casinos always create a TOS that is both beneficial for the player and the platform and use it as guide on how the user can use their platform and not to entice players to register on their site.

[SirLancelot]

Sure, sending notifications of any changes is a good practice, but did Stake.com actually obliged themselves (in the ToS) to send notifications of any changes? If not, you'd still have to read them everytime you log in, if you want to practice what you preach.

This is the cheatsheet of every casino that lawmakers should check and I knew every service is required by law to do that^{(notifying when there's a change in TOS at least 2 weeks before)}. But stake mentioned on its TOS that they can change their TOS with or without notifying its users so you need to read it regularly like its just 3-5 lines sentences amp.

A lot of casinos and platforms have that written in their Terms and Conditions that they have the right to modify, change and add new rules in their terms and conditions without the consent of their users and when users agree with their terms and conditions, they indirectly agree with this condition as well which gives them the right to do anything they want and the gamblers can't even complain because they have agreed and accepted the terms and conditions.

If a casino takes ethical values into consideration, they would probably inform their users about the changes that they've made in the terms and conditions, but if they don't care about all that, they would obviously not make that happen and wouldn't inform their users at all.

[vv181]

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A lot of casinos and platforms have that written in their Terms and Conditions that they have the right to modify, change and add new rules in their terms and conditions without the consent of their users and when users agree with their terms and conditions, they indirectly agree with this condition as well which gives them the right to do anything they want and the gamblers can't even complain because they have agreed and accepted the terms and conditions.

If a casino takes ethical values into consideration, they would probably inform their users about the changes that they've made in the terms and conditions, but if they don't care about all that, they would obviously not make that happen and wouldn't inform their users at all.

In some cases, there is a regulation that enforces companies to inform users each any changes they have made. ToS is an agreement, it should be legally void if there significant modification without noticing the user. Actually, it came back to users' consumer protection laws in their own respective countries. If the regulations are enforced, the user should be aware and informed of such a condition.

There should be also limitations on what can companies do, surely they did not have the right to do "anything" they want freely without any legal basis. 

[Hypnosis00]

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A lot of casinos and platforms have that written in their Terms and Conditions that they have the right to modify, change and add new rules in their terms and conditions without the consent of their users and when users agree with their terms and conditions, they indirectly agree with this condition as well which gives them the right to do anything they want and the gamblers can't even complain because they have agreed and accepted the terms and conditions.

If a casino takes ethical values into consideration, they would probably inform their users about the changes that they've made in the terms and conditions, but if they don't care about all that, they would obviously not make that happen and wouldn't inform their users at all.

In some cases, there is a regulation that enforces companies to inform users each any changes they have made. ToS is an agreement, it should be legally void if there significant modification without noticing the user. Actually, it came back to users' consumer protection laws in their own respective countries. If the regulations are enforced, the user should be aware and informed of such a condition.

There should be also limitations on what can companies do, surely they did not have the right to do "anything" they want freely without any legal basis. 

You do have a point because when you agree to the Terms of Service (TOS) upon signing up, it provides all the necessary information you need to know. If there are any significant changes that would greatly impact the customers, it's crucial for them to inform us. However, I believe that in legitimate cases, there aren't many significant changes, or if there are any, they are likely scams by sites attempting to deceive gamblers.

[Fivestar4everMVP]

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A lot of casinos and platforms have that written in their Terms and Conditions that they have the right to modify, change and add new rules in their terms and conditions without the consent of their users and when users agree with their terms and conditions, they indirectly agree with this condition as well which gives them the right to do anything they want and the gamblers can't even complain because they have agreed and accepted the terms and conditions.

If a casino takes ethical values into consideration, they would probably inform their users about the changes that they've made in the terms and conditions, but if they don't care about all that, they would obviously not make that happen and wouldn't inform their users at all.

In some cases, there is a regulation that enforces companies to inform users each any changes they have made. ToS is an agreement, it should be legally void if there significant modification without noticing the user. Actually, it came back to users' consumer protection laws in their own respective countries. If the regulations are enforced, the user should be aware and informed of such a condition.

There should be also limitations on what can companies do, surely they did not have the right to do "anything" they want freely without any legal basis. 

You have a very good and valid point, and I agree with you, I believe serious businesses know how important their terms of service is to the business regardless that most customers even in this 21st century still regard ToS as not so important document to go through..

Like some weeks back when stake updated their terms of service, they made sure no user entered their account without first reading the terms of service, but still, many people did not read it, they just scrolled down the page, clicked the "I have read and agree to the terms and conditions" (what ever way it's written) button and then move on with their normal gambling activities, several millions of people out there only read the terms of service of a platform when ever they have encountered or have issues with the platform..

[sunsilk]

You do have a point because when you agree to the Terms of Service (TOS) upon signing up, it provides all the necessary information you need to know. If there are any significant changes that would greatly impact the customers, it's crucial for them to inform us. However, I believe that in legitimate cases, there aren't many significant changes, or if there are any, they are likely scams by sites attempting to deceive gamblers.

If there's an unnotified changes as per rules of the casinos and didn't inform the customers and mostly the ones that are affected by that change. They can alibi that they're free to change the rules without informing their users.

But as required by law, hopefully where they're operating requires and states that they should do a fair change of any rule that they have for the users to be at least informed before making a change.

It's typical, normal and also ethical.

[danadc]

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A lot of casinos and platforms have that written in their Terms and Conditions that they have the right to modify, change and add new rules in their terms and conditions without the consent of their users and when users agree with their terms and conditions, they indirectly agree with this condition as well which gives them the right to do anything they want and the gamblers can't even complain because they have agreed and accepted the terms and conditions.

If a casino takes ethical values into consideration, they would probably inform their users about the changes that they've made in the terms and conditions, but if they don't care about all that, they would obviously not make that happen and wouldn't inform their users at all.

In some cases, there is a regulation that enforces companies to inform users each any changes they have made. ToS is an agreement, it should be legally void if there significant modification without noticing the user. Actually, it came back to users' consumer protection laws in their own respective countries. If the regulations are enforced, the user should be aware and informed of such a condition.

There should be also limitations on what can companies do, surely they did not have the right to do "anything" they want freely without any legal basis. 

You have a very good and valid point, and I agree with you, I believe serious businesses know how important their terms of service is to the business regardless that most customers even in this 21st century still regard ToS as not so important document to go through..

Like some weeks back when stake updated their terms of service, they made sure no user entered their account without first reading the terms of service, but still, many people did not read it, they just scrolled down the page, clicked the "I have read and agree to the terms and conditions" (what ever way it's written) button and then move on with their normal gambling activities, several millions of people out there only read the terms of service of a platform when ever they have encountered or have issues with the platform..

What I think is that when a casino that is recognized and old updates its terms and conditions it is because it needs to quickly integrate into a new way of seeing games of chance , I am not sure if that includes Bonuses and Bonus terms that they are not so difficult , but a casino should make its update based on what is Coming for the future and may be better, not that it will predispose the position of the players, because with dissatisfied players the casino will not perform well and will have many losses and that is not only what is Sought , a casino must stand out very well According to its competition.

[vv181]

but a casino should make its update based on what is Coming for the future

Well, that is ridiculous and absurd. Terms of service changes reflect with that the business needs. Certainly, the features or any decision are already planned, so any terms change should be done the after the project updates completion.

Besides, that is not simply how it works, it is ludicrous to update the TOS for future updates. It gives an unnecessary burden to the team, instead of developing the project/features first.

but still, many people did not read it, they just scrolled down the page, clicked the "I have read and agree to the terms and conditions" (what ever way it's written) button and then move on with their normal gambling activities, several millions of people out there only read the terms of service of a platform when ever they have encountered or have issues with the platform..

Indeed, agreeing to and reading terms and conditions is the biggest lie on the internet. I didn't blame the user or the platform, but such kind of text sometimes also is not made to be easily read concisely.

[jostorres]

You do have a point because when you agree to the Terms of Service (TOS) upon signing up, it provides all the necessary information you need to know. If there are any significant changes that would greatly impact the customers, it's crucial for them to inform us. However, I believe that in legitimate cases, there aren't many significant changes, or if there are any, they are likely scams by sites attempting to deceive gamblers.

If there's an unnotified changes as per rules of the casinos and didn't inform the customers and mostly the ones that are affected by that change. They can alibi that they're free to change the rules without informing their users.

But as required by law, hopefully where they're operating requires and states that they should do a fair change of any rule that they have for the users to be at least informed before making a change.

It's typical, normal and also ethical.

I don't really think that casinos are required by law to inform their customers about any changes they make in their terms and conditions nor does their licensing firms make sure about these things, and they mention it in their terms and conditions most of the times that they are not obliged to inform the users if they modify a rule or add another one, and that it is users' own responsibility to make sure that they frequently check and read the rules.

But to be honest, that is now how it should be and it is not morally correct, and those casinos or platforms that really care about their customers and are running legit business for many years would definitely inform their users about any changes they make in rules and regulations.

[Fivestar4everMVP]

You do have a point because when you agree to the Terms of Service (TOS) upon signing up, it provides all the necessary information you need to know. If there are any significant changes that would greatly impact the customers, it's crucial for them to inform us. However, I believe that in legitimate cases, there aren't many significant changes, or if there are any, they are likely scams by sites attempting to deceive gamblers.

If there's an unnotified changes as per rules of the casinos and didn't inform the customers and mostly the ones that are affected by that change. They can alibi that they're free to change the rules without informing their users.

But as required by law, hopefully where they're operating requires and states that they should do a fair change of any rule that they have for the users to be at least informed before making a change.

It's typical, normal and also ethical.

I don't really think that casinos are required by law to inform their customers about any changes they make in their terms and conditions nor does their licensing firms make sure about these things, and they mention it in their terms and conditions most of the times that they are not obliged to inform the users if they modify a rule or add another one, and that it is users' own responsibility to make sure that they frequently check and read the rules.

But to be honest, that is now how it should be and it is not morally correct, and those casinos or platforms that really care about their customers and are running legit business for many years would definitely inform their users about any changes they make in rules and regulations.

You are very correct, casino updating their terms of service without informing their users of the changes is already very dubious morally, if mandatory information to users by the casinos of updated terms of service is not included as a law, then I personally think the licensing body should consider marking this a mandatory rule for the casinos..

Some weeks back when stake updated their terms of service, every user was locked out, and until the user reads and accept the updated terms of service, that is only when the user be allowed into his or her account again, this is the same style I think every other Casino out here should emulate.

[Bushdark]

You do have a point because when you agree to the Terms of Service (TOS) upon signing up, it provides all the necessary information you need to know. If there are any significant changes that would greatly impact the customers, it's crucial for them to inform us. However, I believe that in legitimate cases, there aren't many significant changes, or if there are any, they are likely scams by sites attempting to deceive gamblers.

If there's an unnotified changes as per rules of the casinos and didn't inform the customers and mostly the ones that are affected by that change. They can alibi that they're free to change the rules without informing their users.

But as required by law, hopefully where they're operating requires and states that they should do a fair change of any rule that they have for the users to be at least informed before making a change.

It's typical, normal and also ethical.

We need to always ensure that we test many of the casinos we are using so that we are not going to fall victim if any terms and conditions problems. There are some casinos that are very harsh on there terms and conditions and if any gambler eventually break any if there rules, The customer might end up losing all the funds in the account. Casinos are making big profits from gamblers and they can easily cheat there customer based on there terms. It is important for us to understand these terms because it will not be funny when we are not able to access our account again due to what we are accused of.

[Hamphser]

You do have a point because when you agree to the Terms of Service (TOS) upon signing up, it provides all the necessary information you need to know. If there are any significant changes that would greatly impact the customers, it's crucial for them to inform us. However, I believe that in legitimate cases, there aren't many significant changes, or if there are any, they are likely scams by sites attempting to deceive gamblers.

If there's an unnotified changes as per rules of the casinos and didn't inform the customers and mostly the ones that are affected by that change. They can alibi that they're free to change the rules without informing their users.

But as required by law, hopefully where they're operating requires and states that they should do a fair change of any rule that they have for the users to be at least informed before making a change.

It's typical, normal and also ethical.

We need to always ensure that we test many of the casinos we are using so that we are not going to fall victim if any terms and conditions problems. There are some casinos that are very harsh on there terms and conditions and if any gambler eventually break any if there rules, The customer might end up losing all the funds in the account. Casinos are making big profits from gamblers and they can easily cheat there customer based on there terms. It is important for us to understand these terms because it will not be funny when we are not able to access our account again due to what we are accused of.

So far, on all the years i have been aware and able to see about certain situations here on this forum and on the gambling field, i havent able to encounter those kind of complaints about TOS violation because of sudden change or update on what are those things been written on their or just simply i have do miss up those things and there are ones who are really that experiencing it.Any alterations from the terms and conditions is something that cant really be known publicly unless if it would be announced or something like that about such update.

We cant really make out some complaints though because most of the time on which gamblers doesnt really read up this long pile of text on which if that certain casino would really be giving out emphasis
that a certain user had violated something againsts their Tos then it would really be no point on making out some argumentation.

[danadc]

You do have a point because when you agree to the Terms of Service (TOS) upon signing up, it provides all the necessary information you need to know. If there are any significant changes that would greatly impact the customers, it's crucial for them to inform us. However, I believe that in legitimate cases, there aren't many significant changes, or if there are any, they are likely scams by sites attempting to deceive gamblers.

If there's an unnotified changes as per rules of the casinos and didn't inform the customers and mostly the ones that are affected by that change. They can alibi that they're free to change the rules without informing their users.

But as required by law, hopefully where they're operating requires and states that they should do a fair change of any rule that they have for the users to be at least informed before making a change.

It's typical, normal and also ethical.

We need to always ensure that we test many of the casinos we are using so that we are not going to fall victim if any terms and conditions problems. There are some casinos that are very harsh on there terms and conditions and if any gambler eventually break any if there rules, The customer might end up losing all the funds in the account. Casinos are making big profits from gamblers and they can easily cheat there customer based on there terms. It is important for us to understand these terms because it will not be funny when we are not able to access our account again due to what we are accused of.

It is extremely important that in every casino their terms and conditions are there visible so that any player or non-player of the casino has them available, long before each registration, or they should be so detailed that they should do something else, a video or something similar to those gamers who are very lazy and don't like to read very much, when it comes to games there are always people who are like that, they don't like to read and it's important, so it's good that they could make explanatory videos of their terms and conditions, it's something that It just occurred to me, but that would help a lot, it would be something new and it doesn't look bad at all.

[slapper]

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A lot of casinos and platforms have that written in their Terms and Conditions that they have the right to modify, change and add new rules in their terms and conditions without the consent of their users and when users agree with their terms and conditions, they indirectly agree with this condition as well which gives them the right to do anything they want and the gamblers can't even complain because they have agreed and accepted the terms and conditions.

If a casino takes ethical values into consideration, they would probably inform their users about the changes that they've made in the terms and conditions, but if they don't care about all that, they would obviously not make that happen and wouldn't inform their users at all.

In some cases, there is a regulation that enforces companies to inform users each any changes they have made. ToS is an agreement, it should be legally void if there significant modification without noticing the user. Actually, it came back to users' consumer protection laws in their own respective countries. If the regulations are enforced, the user should be aware and informed of such a condition.

There should be also limitations on what can companies do, surely they did not have the right to do "anything" they want freely without any legal basis. 

You have a very good and valid point, and I agree with you, I believe serious businesses know how important their terms of service is to the business regardless that most customers even in this 21st century still regard ToS as not so important document to go through..

Like some weeks back when stake updated their terms of service, they made sure no user entered their account without first reading the terms of service, but still, many people did not read it, they just scrolled down the page, clicked the "I have read and agree to the terms and conditions" (what ever way it's written) button and then move on with their normal gambling activities, several millions of people out there only read the terms of service of a platform when ever they have encountered or have issues with the platform..

Indubitably, you've raised a critically important point. Yet, "Terms of Service" - or as I often refer to them, "The Literature of the Law" - aren't simply relegated to the doldrums of 'not-so-important' by a dismissive 21st century audience. In truth, they're often presented in such a manner - dense, lengthy, filled with legal jargon - that even the most conscientious among us are discouraged from thorough perusal.

Let's take the instance you mentioned, when 'Stake' updated their ToS. An interstitial approach was adopted, meaning no user could access their account without acknowledging the updated ToS. However, did the action truly compel users to read the document? Or did it simply create an additional hurdle to the pursuit of their gambling activities?

This 'checkbox compliance' is, in essence, a Band-Aid solution. Rather than merely ensuring a user 'agrees' to the ToS, businesses should strive to make them easily understandable and engaging. Utilise summaries, bullet points, visuals - bring them to life! Once users feel that ToS are more accessible and less of a chore, perhaps then we'll see an uptick in their widespread consideration.

[vv181]

This 'checkbox compliance' is, in essence, a Band-Aid solution. Rather than merely ensuring a user 'agrees' to the ToS, businesses should strive to make them easily understandable and engaging. Utilise summaries, bullet points, visuals - bring them to life! Once users feel that ToS are more accessible and less of a chore, perhaps then we'll see an uptick in their widespread consideration.

Businesses' main concern in terms of services is compliance and protection/defending their own legal rights. They did not have the motive to make it easily digestible, instead, the regulation force them to make that happen. If I'm not mistaken, there is a regulation that enforces businesses should make the ToS/TnC contains less legal language, and the thing as you've said, summaries and bullet points.

If we look at a similar approach to business and customer relations, we are aware of how irritatingly we have to click the cookie consent. That is also part of regulation, the problem is does it effective to make the customer become more aware of their rights? I don't think it significantly affects them, instead, it just annoys people.

[Doan9269]

Sure, sending notifications of any changes is a good practice, but did Stake.com actually obliged themselves (in the ToS) to send notifications of any changes? If not, you'd still have to read them everytime you log in, if you want to practice what you preach.

This is the cheatsheet of every casino that lawmakers should check and I knew every service is required by law to do that^{(notifying when there's a change in TOS at least 2 weeks before)}. But stake mentioned on its TOS that they can change their TOS with or without notifying its users so you need to read it regularly like its just 3-5 lines sentences amp.

I don't see anything that calls for worrying oneself on the issue of discussion concerning recent experience with the stake.com gambling platforms, all they requested is for you to complete a KYC procedures required to have a good catch on every elements of money laundering attempts, i hope by now the conditions given is not what ordinary person cannot afford to give knowing that they are KYC casino.

[michellee]

This 'checkbox compliance' is, in essence, a Band-Aid solution. Rather than merely ensuring a user 'agrees' to the ToS, businesses should strive to make them easily understandable and engaging. Utilise summaries, bullet points, visuals - bring them to life! Once users feel that ToS are more accessible and less of a chore, perhaps then we'll see an uptick in their widespread consideration.

Businesses' main concern in terms of services is compliance and protection/defending their own legal rights. They did not have the motive to make it easily digestible, instead, the regulation force them to make that happen. If I'm not mistaken, there is a regulation that enforces businesses should make the ToS/TnC contains less legal language, and the thing as you've said, summaries and bullet points.

If we look at a similar approach to business and customer relations, we are aware of how irritatingly we have to click the cookie consent. That is also part of regulation, the problem is does it effective to make the customer become more aware of their rights? I don't think it significantly affects them, instead, it just annoys people.

Most people would not think to want to read such long terms that it takes more time to digest what is written there. They will only immediately agree because they want to play gambling at the casino immediately.

But when they are later faced with a problem, they will immediately contact the support service to ask for clarity on the problem. And they're just starting to take the time to read the rules when they're breaking them. And the casino itself may want to explain all the rules in detail so the casino does not intend to summarize and outline the rules. And often, users really need help understanding the meaning of the rules so they will immediately press the agree button.

If these consumers are wise, they may read slowly and try to digest it so they understand and will not try to break any rules in the casino. But usually, if there is a change in the rules, the casino will notify the user so that they will check it immediately before playing gambling.

[klidex]

Yes, not all casinos will give notifications when there are changes to the TOS, but as I recall, the popular casinos that I currently use, such as Stake.com, will notify you when you open the site after the TOS changes have been made.
Like last time when Stake changed the TOS and I opened the site and there was a notification that there was a change in the TOS that had been determined.
It is at that time that we are obliged to read the changes that have occurred so that we avoid the problem of violating the TOS.
Maybe not all casinos will have the same notices but I hope we all at least read a little bit about the more important TOS we have to comply with.

Stake.com has done that a while back. And they ask us to read it because it's important that we don't break it. So reading the TOS is recommended even though many gamblers don't like to read the TOS because it's too long.

I agree with you that sometimes gamblers will become lazy to read if they remember very long texts and they only read what they need as we discuss here.
In another problem, namely sometimes gamblers who ignore these rules, they are novice gamblers who do not know beforehand that each casino has different rules.

[LUCKMCFLY]

~snip~

I think that this is how most people gamble.  Just like you. 

And those players just want to have some fun and don't want to spend time reading TOS at all, and time is spent not only reading, but also understanding some of the more difficult points of TOS.  And these points in the rules may be important in your future game in this casino. 
Moreover, persuading players to carefully read and understand TOS in advance, in my opinion, does not make sense at all.  All the same, almost no one will listen to you (with rare exceptions - attentive, responsible and cautious players) and will continue to play without taking into account the possibility of unforeseen situations at all. 
Those situations that directly follow from the TOS of this casino.  And then you will have endless correspondence with support, which could have been avoided and not wasted on them your precious time.

Sure, many gamers find TOS a roadblock and overlook it, but it's this neglect that can cause problems. The TOS isn't just wordy gibberish; it's a pact detailing rights and duties of both parties. Believing that reading TOS is time-wasting doesn't lessen its key role in warding off disputes. Gamers could dodge troubles by knowing what they're agreeing to. Promoting TOS awareness isn't useless, even if largely ignored. Skipping the TOS can lead to unexpected issues like account freezing, lost income, or quarrels with support. Thus, urging players to read TOS can spare time and future headaches.

Yes, always what we sometimes do not Look at when we enter a casino and especially because of the bonuses, contests, only the adrenaline makes us enter, is what we always Observe, I am a person that I have seen in some other threads out there some casinos change their coughs, and that is something that should not be, Because generally they do it to Benefit the casino in general and that is something that they should not do and if they do it they should participate so that they can all be aware , but doing it at all times and without the consent of a Community can sometimes look very bad.

Yes, not all casinos will give notifications when there are changes to the TOS, but as I recall, the popular casinos that I currently use, such as Stake.com, will notify you when you open the site after the TOS changes have been made.
Like last time when Stake changed the TOS and I opened the site and there was a notification that there was a change in the TOS that had been determined.
It is at that time that we are obliged to read the changes that have occurred so that we avoid the problem of violating the TOS.
Maybe not all casinos will have the same notices but I hope we all at least read a little bit about the more important TOS we have to comply with.

Stake.com has done that a while back. And they ask us to read it because it's important that we don't break it. So reading the TOS is recommended even though many gamblers don't like to read the TOS because it's too long.

I agree with you that sometimes gamblers will become lazy to read if they remember very long texts and they only read what they need as we discuss here.
In another problem, namely sometimes gamblers who ignore these rules, they are novice gamblers who do not know beforehand that each casino has different rules.

Well, but we all know that stake.com is a very different casino that has a unique legitimacy and authenticity over the years, the reputation in the casino and all its games is a good image of what it represents to have or be a great casino , I don't know if you've seen it, but when it comes to having the best casks in the stake.com forum , it always rises, if it's not first, then not third place, of course when it's someone who has a point of view Regarding the reviews very good and what is impartial.

There are other casinos that are very good and that have a lot of future , that do things very Well, and that can be the best in any Sense , in this case I am talking about stake.com because it has always Stood out as One of the Best in The World.

[Wiwo]

Yes, not all casinos will give notifications when there are changes to the TOS, but as I recall, the popular casinos that I currently use, such as Stake.com, will notify you when you open the site after the TOS changes have been made.
Like last time when Stake changed the TOS and I opened the site and there was a notification that there was a change in the TOS that had been determined.
It is at that time that we are obliged to read the changes that have occurred so that we avoid the problem of violating the TOS.
Maybe not all casinos will have the same notices but I hope we all at least read a little bit about the more important TOS we have to comply with.

Stake.com has done that a while back. And they ask us to read it because it's important that we don't break it. So reading the TOS is recommended even though many gamblers don't like to read the TOS because it's too long.

I agree with you that sometimes gamblers will become lazy to read if they remember very long texts and they only read what they need as we discuss here.
In another problem, namely, sometimes gamblers who ignore these rules, they are novice gamblers who do not know beforehand that each casino has different rules.

But sometimes,  we can't blame the player for being too lazy not to read the terms and conditions of casinos before making deposits and playing on them,  even though the seizure of the document is a major point of disagreement for the gambler which has become the ground at which casino always win cases that arise from such mistakes.

Also, another point to note also is that some scam casinos always edit the TOS frequently as a way to favour their case and this have been discovered several time.

[erep]

But sometimes,  we can't blame the player for being too lazy not to read the terms and conditions of casinos before making deposits and playing on them,  even though the seizure of the document is a major point of disagreement for the gambler which has become the ground at which casino always win cases that arise from such mistakes.

Also, another point to note also is that some scam casinos always edit the TOS frequently as a way to favour their case and this have been discovered several time.

If the player has never read the TOS then scammed gambling has the opportunity to blame the player for not understanding the basic provisions before betting on a particular gambling platform, but if the TOS changes without notification then the player has never read the TOS repeatedly because he does not suspect any points have changed, my advice to archive the TOS gambling article link or take a screenshot of the TOS to save on your device.

If we have evidence of TOS changes from archive links and screenshots then we must immediately report gambling on the alleged fraud board to prevent losses from other gamblers. They will immediately check your report, if it is proven it will be marked as scam gambling and no forum members are gambling using their gambling platform.

[Wiwo]

But sometimes,  we can't blame the player for being too lazy not to read the terms and conditions of casinos before making deposits and playing on them,  even though the seizure of the document is a major point of disagreement for the gambler which has become the ground at which casino always win cases that arise from such mistakes.

Also, another point to note also is that some scam casinos always edit the TOS frequently as a way to favour their case and this have been discovered several time.

If the player has never read the TOS then scammed gambling has the opportunity to blame the player for not understanding the basic provisions before betting on a particular gambling platform, but if the TOS changes without notification then the player has never read the TOS repeatedly because he does not suspect any points have changed, my advice to archive the TOS gambling article link or take a screenshot of the TOS to save on your device.

If we have evidence of TOS changes from archive links and screenshots then we must immediately report gambling on the alleged fraud board to prevent losses from other gamblers. They will immediately check your report, if it is proven it will be marked as scam gambling and no forum members are gambling using their gambling platform.

That is the fact and the blame should be on the gambler most because of the failure to read the document and properly interpret its terms and services and how best to avoid breaking the rules because all casino has their own special and peculiar rules guiding their activities.

The mistakes I have also noticed that players make is the fact that they tend to contradict the TOS or misunderstood it because they already read a TOs document from casino A there will not read that of casino B thinking that the documents and rules will be the same for Casino A and B we're as it differs both in writing and applications.

[maydna]

~snip~

I agree with you that sometimes gamblers will become lazy to read if they remember very long texts and they only read what they need as we discuss here.
In another problem, namely sometimes gamblers who ignore these rules, they are novice gamblers who do not know beforehand that each casino has different rules.

We must try to be active to read the rules, which may be very long and difficult to understand if we only read them once. We do that so that we don't break the rules and can immediately withdraw the money without any problems. It's better not to ignore these rules so that we can enjoy gambling well and withdraw the money. But many gamblers need to read the rules because they think it will be the same for every casino when it's not. It is a form of responsibility that we can take to protect ourselves while playing gambling so that we can be calm and comfortable playing gambling at a trusted casino.

[Coin_trader]

~snip~

I agree with you that sometimes gamblers will become lazy to read if they remember very long texts and they only read what they need as we discuss here.
In another problem, namely sometimes gamblers who ignore these rules, they are novice gamblers who do not know beforehand that each casino has different rules.

We must try to be active to read the rules, which may be very long and difficult to understand if we only read them once. We do that so that we don't break the rules and can immediately withdraw the money without any problems. It's better not to ignore these rules so that we can enjoy gambling well and withdraw the money. But many gamblers need to read the rules because they think it will be the same for every casino when it's not. It is a form of responsibility that we can take to protect ourselves while playing gambling so that we can be calm and comfortable playing gambling at a trusted casino.

With your suggestion. Player should read the very long content of the ToS everytime he will play on the website so that he can assure that the he can remember the rules always? This is the most tiresome way of gambling since casino ToS is TLDR which a normal gambler will find very stressful while we are just having fun as purpose of gambling. ToS is not that complicated if you are just a regular gamblers that doing a regular bets without any abused on the casino promotion.

No one is willing to memorize the casino ToS before they play because impossible and mood killer. Just play on the casino that has a good reputation so that you can assure that their ToS is always fair for their customers. Only shady casino like 1xbit will deliberately use ToS against user while reputable casino like Livecasino will always be fair on regular gamblers that knows the basic rule of the casino which is not that complicated and self explanatory.

[South Park]

We must try to be active to read the rules, which may be very long and difficult to understand if we only read them once. We do that so that we don't break the rules and can immediately withdraw the money without any problems. It's better not to ignore these rules so that we can enjoy gambling well and withdraw the money. But many gamblers need to read the rules because they think it will be the same for every casino when it's not. It is a form of responsibility that we can take to protect ourselves while playing gambling so that we can be calm and comfortable playing gambling at a trusted casino.

While this is the correct thing to do, at the same time it is very rare, most of the time when a gambler wants to try a new casino they are so excited about it that they want to begin to gamble immediately, so they do not bother to read the terms of service of the casino, now most of the time this will not be a problem, however if you happen to encounter some circumstances that are out of the ordinary then you could regret not reading those terms, as in that case the casino will most likely be on the right and they will be able to take the measures that suit their interests the best.

[TimeTeller]

We must try to be active to read the rules, which may be very long and difficult to understand if we only read them once. We do that so that we don't break the rules and can immediately withdraw the money without any problems. It's better not to ignore these rules so that we can enjoy gambling well and withdraw the money. But many gamblers need to read the rules because they think it will be the same for every casino when it's not. It is a form of responsibility that we can take to protect ourselves while playing gambling so that we can be calm and comfortable playing gambling at a trusted casino.

While this is the correct thing to do, at the same time it is very rare, most of the time when a gambler wants to try a new casino they are so excited about it that they want to begin to gamble immediately, so they do not bother to read the terms of service of the casino, now most of the time this will not be a problem, however if you happen to encounter some circumstances that are out of the ordinary then you could regret not reading those terms, as in that case the casino will most likely be on the right and they will be able to take the measures that suit their interests the best.

If you start sending big amount to the casino, it is your very own responsibility to check the terms of the site.
Because whatever happens is your fault because as a player, you have the responsibility to know their ToS.
They put it in place as a common ground for both players and the owner, absence of this will give them a messy management of their casino.
So for me, some of these accusations also root from the ignorance of the players, and not entirely the casinos fault.

[lienfaye]

We must try to be active to read the rules, which may be very long and difficult to understand if we only read them once. We do that so that we don't break the rules and can immediately withdraw the money without any problems. It's better not to ignore these rules so that we can enjoy gambling well and withdraw the money. But many gamblers need to read the rules because they think it will be the same for every casino when it's not. It is a form of responsibility that we can take to protect ourselves while playing gambling so that we can be calm and comfortable playing gambling at a trusted casino.

While this is the correct thing to do, at the same time it is very rare, most of the time when a gambler wants to try a new casino they are so excited about it that they want to begin to gamble immediately, so they do not bother to read the terms of service of the casino, now most of the time this will not be a problem, however if you happen to encounter some circumstances that are out of the ordinary then you could regret not reading those terms, as in that case the casino will most likely be on the right and they will be able to take the measures that suit their interests the best.

If you start sending big amount to the casino, it is your very own responsibility to check the terms of the site.
Because whatever happens is your fault because as a player, you have the responsibility to know their ToS.
They put it in place as a common ground for both players and the owner, absence of this will give them a messy management of their casino.
So for me, some of these accusations also root from the ignorance of the players, and not entirely the casinos fault.

That's right. Before playing in the casino of your choice, always take a little time to read their rules so you won't be clueless but careful not to violate any of it. It's a basic thing to do but some of us are too complacent. Even you're just using a small amount for your gambling activity, it's not a reason to disregard the ToS.

Therefore, if you violate the rules because of being unaware then it's your fault. Unless they changed what's written on their ToS without notifying their players, well that's a different matter.

[Blitzboy]

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Most people would not think to want to read such long terms that it takes more time to digest what is written there. They will only immediately agree because they want to play gambling at the casino immediately.

But when they are later faced with a problem, they will immediately contact the support service to ask for clarity on the problem. And they're just starting to take the time to read the rules when they're breaking them. And the casino itself may want to explain all the rules in detail so the casino does not intend to summarize and outline the rules. And often, users really need help understanding the meaning of the rules so they will immediately press the agree button.

If these consumers are wise, they may read slowly and try to digest it so they understand and will not try to break any rules in the casino. But usually, if there is a change in the rules, the casino will notify the user so that they will check it immediately before playing gambling.

You're right about people ignoring terms and conditions to start playing. You nicely described this "click-and-go" mindset, which is more frequent than one would expect.

These words exist for a purpose. Players and casinos are protected by them. It's tempting to get immediately into the game, but learning the rules might avoid future miscommunications.

Knowing your rights and duties as a participant is as important as avoiding breaching the rules. Casinos notifying users of regulation changes is a good step toward openness.

Rules should be approached pragmatically, in my opinion. Though boring, it's essential to internet gaming. Be a clever player and make an educated selection.

[maydna]

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With your suggestion. Player should read the very long content of the ToS everytime he will play on the website so that he can assure that the he can remember the rules always? This is the most tiresome way of gambling since casino ToS is TLDR which a normal gambler will find very stressful while we are just having fun as purpose of gambling. ToS is not that complicated if you are just a regular gamblers that doing a regular bets without any abused on the casino promotion.

No one is willing to memorize the casino ToS before they play because impossible and mood killer. Just play on the casino that has a good reputation so that you can assure that their ToS is always fair for their customers. Only shady casino like 1xbit will deliberately use ToS against user while reputable casino like Livecasino will always be fair on regular gamblers that knows the basic rule of the casino which is not that complicated and self explanatory.

He doesn't need to read it every time he gambles but takes the time, maybe once a week or a month, to read the TOS' lengthy content. But if your goal is just to have fun, that means you don't have to bother yourself reading those long TOS and skipping them. If you don't read the TOS carefully, it means you agree to all the rules, and even if later you have problems with the rules, you can't complain because it's your own fault for not wanting to read the TOS.

Yes, playing at a reputable casino is very good advice, and that's what we should do and stay away from shady casinos so that we don't get into trouble. If you have an account at Stake.com, you can skim through the TOS before entering your betting account page so that it's easier for you to see whether there have been changes in the TOS. And if not, it means there is no notification about changes to the TOS.

~snip~

While this is the correct thing to do, at the same time it is very rare, most of the time when a gambler wants to try a new casino they are so excited about it that they want to begin to gamble immediately, so they do not bother to read the terms of service of the casino, now most of the time this will not be a problem, however if you happen to encounter some circumstances that are out of the ordinary then you could regret not reading those terms, as in that case the casino will most likely be on the right and they will be able to take the measures that suit their interests the best.

Yes, that's what happens to most gamblers. They don't want to read the requirements on other pages and instead go straight to gambling. We should prevent unwanted things rather than regret them later, and reading the TOS regularly can prevent problems. And we can also play gambling calmly because we don't break anything while playing gambling.

[Fatunad]

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Most people would not think to want to read such long terms that it takes more time to digest what is written there. They will only immediately agree because they want to play gambling at the casino immediately.

But when they are later faced with a problem, they will immediately contact the support service to ask for clarity on the problem. And they're just starting to take the time to read the rules when they're breaking them. And the casino itself may want to explain all the rules in detail so the casino does not intend to summarize and outline the rules. And often, users really need help understanding the meaning of the rules so they will immediately press the agree button.

If these consumers are wise, they may read slowly and try to digest it so they understand and will not try to break any rules in the casino. But usually, if there is a change in the rules, the casino will notify the user so that they will check it immediately before playing gambling.

You're right about people ignoring terms and conditions to start playing. You nicely described this "click-and-go" mindset, which is more frequent than one would expect.

These words exist for a purpose. Players and casinos are protected by them. It's tempting to get immediately into the game, but learning the rules might avoid future miscommunications.

Knowing your rights and duties as a participant is as important as avoiding breaching the rules. Casinos notifying users of regulation changes is a good step toward openness.

Rules should be approached pragmatically, in my opinion. Though boring, it's essential to internet gaming. Be a clever player and make an educated selection.

99% of players or gamblers would really be like this on which i do even myself consider on skipping out on reading up terms and conditions and just simply click out that checkbox and done registering and would make
out some deposit next. So far i havent been able to experience those fund locked ups because usually where these casinos is been focusing is on that KYC or having those wager requirements or something which
it isnt really that too far into each other.This is why we do really assume out that it wont really be that much in different when it comes to those terms which would really be similar most of the time.
On the time that the house is using their TOS against their players or havent been able to pay it up then as a user then there's nothing we can do or not to make out any argument since we havent been able
to read up that TOS on the time we do register. We cant really be able to point out if there are some changes or not with those TOS and this is why we do end up on accepting our fate and move on.

[Ziskinberg]

We cant really be able to point out if there are some changes or not with those TOS and this is why we do end up on accepting our fate and move on.

Did we know about any issues from gamblers who were victims of changes to the Terms of Service? Personally, I believe that a fair gambling site would inform its gamblers if there are significant changes to the TOS that would affect their gambling experience. So, I suppose it wouldn't happen unless there is evidence stating otherwise.

[LUCKMCFLY]

The rules at the casino can change at any time, without or with notification and this requires our attention so that we can be aware of these changes and we need to adapt to the new regulations. It's better for us to take a moment to know the rules than to regret them later because when we want to withdraw the winning money but find ourselves in trouble, it will disappoint us. There may be a reason the casino changed the rules so that people who don't see the TOS can get in trouble. But a trusted and good casino will always notify you if there is a change in the rules.

Yes, not all casinos will give notifications when there are changes to the TOS, but as I recall, the popular casinos that I currently use, such as Stake.com, will notify you when you open the site after the TOS changes have been made.
Like last time when Stake changed the TOS and I opened the site and there was a notification that there was a change in the TOS that had been determined.
It is at that time that we are obliged to read the changes that have occurred so that we avoid the problem of violating the TOS.
Maybe not all casinos will have the same notices but I hope we all at least read a little bit about the more important TOS we have to comply with.

But if the casinos do not notify, I think that this is bad practice, because it is not what they should be, things get very ugly, firstly they are playing with the will of many players who believe that things are under the terms and conditions they signed from the registry is kept intact, I am not saying anything that they put or change the terms and conditions of the bonuses, because the bonuses are things that the casinos offer and they change them daily, but in general in their rules if they should notify and if they change them to every moment is a red alert without a doubt.

[Fivestar4everMVP]

We cant really be able to point out if there are some changes or not with those TOS and this is why we do end up on accepting our fate and move on.

Did we know about any issues from gamblers who were victims of changes to the Terms of Service? Personally, I believe that a fair gambling site would inform its gamblers if there are significant changes to the TOS that would affect their gambling experience. So, I suppose it wouldn't happen unless there is evidence stating otherwise.

From all my years  as a gambler, all the casinos I've gambled on have always been reputable casinos, (atleast, at the time I used them), all of them have always been fair to their users like you pointed out, that is, the always remind users through email(most of the time), that their terms and conditions have been updated, and that on so and so date, the updated terms and conditions will take effect, they also provide users a link to read and accept the new terms and conditions, stating that if the user continues to use the platform after the date the new terms and conditions is taking effect, it means the user have accepted the new terms and conditions.

But then, like I've said before In one of my previous comments, casinos being managed by some bag eggs still use terms and conditions as a way to scam unsuspecting users.

[SirLancelot]

We cant really be able to point out if there are some changes or not with those TOS and this is why we do end up on accepting our fate and move on.

Did we know about any issues from gamblers who were victims of changes to the Terms of Service? Personally, I believe that a fair gambling site would inform its gamblers if there are significant changes to the TOS that would affect their gambling experience. So, I suppose it wouldn't happen unless there is evidence stating otherwise.

Personally, I've never heard anyone stating that they've been a victim of this, but I do know that a lot of gambling platforms don't inform their customers when they make changes in their terms and conditions, and I've read this myself in a lot of terms and conditions that the platform has the right to modify, add, or remove anything into the terms and conditions page without the consent of the users, and users have already agreed with that when they signed up.

So the point is that if a casino doesn't inform their customers about the changes, they simply don't want them to know about the changes and if they get in trouble, they wouldn't be able to say anything since it's written in their terms and conditions. Most gamblers don't read the terms and conditions, so they think that maybe it has always been there.

[Bushdark]

Sure, sending notifications of any changes is a good practice, but did Stake.com actually obliged themselves (in the ToS) to send notifications of any changes? If not, you'd still have to read them everytime you log in, if you want to practice what you preach.

This is the cheatsheet of every casino that lawmakers should check and I knew every service is required by law to do that^{(notifying when there's a change in TOS at least 2 weeks before)}. But stake mentioned on its TOS that they can change their TOS with or without notifying its users so you need to read it regularly like its just 3-5 lines sentences amp.

I don't see anything that calls for worrying oneself on the issue of discussion concerning recent experience with the stake.com gambling platforms, all they requested is for you to complete a KYC procedures required to have a good catch on every elements of money laundering attempts, i hope by now the conditions given is not what ordinary person cannot afford to give knowing that they are KYC casino.

if a casino that we have been using starting asking for KYC from us then we need to understand that manybe they are been compelled by the government to do so in order to regulate the gambling industry and prevent the underaged from going into gambling without any restrictions.

We know that these days, the rate at which children jump into betting online is very high and in order to regulate this kind of attempt, it is important for a casino to ask for KYC on some cases when they noticed that there customers are gambling too much or using exorbitant amount of money to bet and keep losing and betting.

 This can also be an attempt to check for money laundry from there customers because if this is not done as soon as possible when the casino noticed that, the government might come after the casino with anger of thieves and scammers using the casinos as a means of laundry which can have greater consequences on the casino and leading to it closure. This is one of the reason why many of these casinos needed to be smart enough to check for anything that looks like money laundry from there customers.

[Beparanf]

We cant really be able to point out if there are some changes or not with those TOS and this is why we do end up on accepting our fate and move on.

Did we know about any issues from gamblers who were victims of changes to the Terms of Service? Personally, I believe that a fair gambling site would inform its gamblers if there are significant changes to the TOS that would affect their gambling experience. So, I suppose it wouldn't happen unless there is evidence stating otherwise.

Personally, I've never heard anyone stating that they've been a victim of this, but I do know that a lot of gambling platforms don't inform their customers when they make changes in their terms and conditions, and I've read this myself in a lot of terms and conditions that the platform has the right to modify, add, or remove anything into the terms and conditions page without the consent of the users, and users have already agreed with that when they signed up.

So the point is that if a casino doesn't inform their customers about the changes, they simply don't want them to know about the changes and if they get in trouble, they wouldn't be able to say anything since it's written in their terms and conditions. Most gamblers don't read the terms and conditions, so they think that maybe it has always been there.

It’s rare since reputable casino typically don’t care much on a win of a player since they are getting profit on other losing players to recover lose from winners. There are instances like this in the past but from a not established casino. I think the most popular case like this from a popular casino is the issue Betfury retroactive changing of commision percentage on the referral. Betfury change the percentage on their ToS without informing the user that already earned the commission for the changes happened.

[Wiwo]

It’s rare since reputable casino typically don’t care much on a win of a player since they are getting profit on other losing players to recover lose from winners. There are instances like this in the past but from a not established casino. I think the most popular case like this from a popular casino is the issue Betfury retroactive changing of commision percentage on the referral. Betfury change the percentage on their ToS without informing the user that already earned the commission for the changes happened.

Most of the reputable casinos really does not care on the winning pf the players simce their systems are probably fair and their know that the players will win as much as they lose so it is two ways, but those that have no reputation will simply make excuses and to the point of mandating the players to either go through endless KYC verification process and also locking the customer to either withdrawal or make bets with rhe amount won.

But then also we have to be prepared for whatever happens and to lessen our risks, we have to rely much on reputable casinos only to guarantee wins.

[Bushdark]

It’s rare since reputable casino typically don’t care much on a win of a player since they are getting profit on other losing players to recover lose from winners. There are instances like this in the past but from a not established casino. I think the most popular case like this from a popular casino is the issue Betfury retroactive changing of commision percentage on the referral. Betfury change the percentage on their ToS without informing the user that already earned the commission for the changes happened.

Most of the reputable casinos really does not care on the winning pf the players simce their systems are probably fair and their know that the players will win as much as they lose so it is two ways, but those that have no reputation will simply make excuses and to the point of mandating the players to either go through endless KYC verification process and also locking the customer to either withdrawal or make bets with rhe amount won.

But then also we have to be prepared for whatever happens and to lessen our risks, we have to rely much on reputable casinos only to guarantee wins.

Endless KYC is something that is most being ask by fraudulent casinos and we need to open our eyes when we see this kind of KYC been asked for us to submit. Some will keep asking you to submit your KYC continueously without being confirmed because that is one of the ways they can lock our account because we are not able to submit the kind of requirements they want.

We things get handy and stressing like this, what we need to do is to make sure that we stop submitting any KYC and report them if possible but I doubt it if the law enforcement agency would be able to do anything about the casino rather than locking it if there are too many complains about them.

  It will be wise of us if we are always having the habit to ask questions in any decisions we are taking when it involves using a new casino we might not have good idea about there existence and how reputable they could be in the gambling industry. This will safe us a lot of stress having to battle with the wrong casino and losing some exorbitant amount of funds as a result of subscribing to a scam casino that is ready to steal out funds and lock out accounts for no reason..

[QueenVera]

Sure, sending notifications of any changes is a good practice, but did Stake.com actually obliged themselves (in the ToS) to send notifications of any changes? If not, you'd still have to read them everytime you log in, if you want to practice what you preach.

This is the cheatsheet of every casino that lawmakers should check and I knew every service is required by law to do that^{(notifying when there's a change in TOS at least 2 weeks before)}. But stake mentioned on its TOS that they can change their TOS with or without notifying its users so you need to read it regularly like its just 3-5 lines sentences amp.

I don't see anything that calls for worrying oneself on the issue of discussion concerning recent experience with the stake.com gambling platforms, all they requested is for you to complete a KYC procedures required to have a good catch on every elements of money laundering attempts, i hope by now the conditions given is not what ordinary person cannot afford to give knowing that they are KYC casino.

Stake is doing well and since they already mentioned on their platforms that their terms of services can change at anytime without a prior reminder  is already enough cover to back them up for what so ever actions and changes they so wish to make on their platform.
I think we're the problem  lies is at the point where the casinos makenit clear that their terms of service can be changed at anytime  without a prior notice because this gavours only the casino totally  against  the player which isn't right and that's should be reviewed first.

[Youngkhngdiddy]

Many online gambling websites have clauses in their terms and conditions that allow them to change the terms without notifying users or gamblers. This can be frustrating for users who may feel like they are being taken advantage of or unfairly treated. However, this is not unique to online gambling websites. Many companies and services have similar clauses in their terms and conditions. Is it legal? The short answer is yes. Most countries have laws that allow companies to change their terms and conditions without notifying users. This is because it is assumed that users will read the terms and conditions at least periodically throughout their use. If users do not agree with the changes made by a company, they can stop using that service and go to another provider. While this may not be the most ideal situation for users, it is still legal. However, there are some countries that have laws that prohibit companies from changing their terms and conditions without notifying users. This means that gambling websites that operate in these countries should not use such a clause.

In my experience, gambling websites usually notify users of changes to their terms and conditions via email or on the website itself. This is a good practice because it allows users to decide whether they want to keep using that service or not. If a user does not agree with these changes, they can simply stop using that service. Any company that cares about its reputation should have such a standard. However, every company is different. Some companies have a bad reputation for not being transparent about their business practices while others have a good reputation for doing the right thing.

That's why it's I advisable for one to read carefully the terms and conditions of a site or app before agreeing to sign up, many users out of claiming rewards and first time bonuses do not take their time to read the Tos but rather rushing into registration and end up complaining when they find themselves in such situations, it's your duty as a user to know what you're venturing into, if not you'll be held accountable for your ignorance and not the app, this is not only applicable to gambling sites but every other apps as well.

 However their are many information stated in the TOS of most gambling site, like concerning the free bonuses and rewards, some sites hand over rewards on sign up to attract users to patronise them and most times those rewards are not withdrawable but used as a means to keep users active in their sites, because in as much as users are looking to win and make profits the casino also indirectly want you to lose and bet more, enriching their companies.most times they give these rewards to attract new users from their competitors, that's why I stated earlier that you should read carefully and not between lines upon registration.but if a site doesn't include in their Tos a particular statement and do otherwise then such sites should be considered a site or app and reported to the appropriate authorities.

[ethereumhunter]

That's why it's I advisable for one to read carefully the terms and conditions of a site or app before agreeing to sign up, many users out of claiming rewards and first time bonuses do not take their time to read the Tos but rather rushing into registration and end up complaining when they find themselves in such situations, it's your duty as a user to know what you're venturing into, if not you'll be held accountable for your ignorance and not the app, this is not only applicable to gambling sites but every other apps as well.

However their are many information stated in the TOS of most gambling site, like concerning the free bonuses and rewards, some sites hand over rewards on sign up to attract users to patronise them and most times those rewards are not withdrawable but used as a means to keep users active in their sites, because in as much as users are looking to win and make profits the casino also indirectly want you to lose and bet more, enriching their companies.most times they give these rewards to attract new users from their competitors, that's why I stated earlier that you should read carefully and not between lines upon registration.but if a site doesn't include in their Tos a particular statement and do otherwise then such sites should be considered a site or app and reported to the appropriate authorities.

That's because they are tempted to see the offer and immediately want to sign up for it without even looking at the wagering requirements set by the casino. And once they play, they don't have any problems until they finally win some money. And the problem arises when they want to withdraw the winnings and the casino doesn't allow it because they haven't met the wagering requirements in the promotion rules. The gambler argued that they didn't know some regulations had to be met before joining and getting the promotion, but the casino still told them to fulfill them first, then they could withdraw their winning money if it was still there.

This is where the gamblers accuse the casino of cheating by adding the rules in a place they don't know about, even though it was the gambler's fault who was not careful. This has often happened to many gamblers, so we have to be careful if we want to participate in a promotion and always make sure we know the requirements so we don't violate them or have fulfilled them before withdrawing the winning money. Reading the rules is often underestimated by many gamblers because they think that the rules are still the same for every promotion, even though this is not the case because each promotion has a different purpose so every gambler must be careful and read the rules first.

[Helena Yu]

However their are many information stated in the TOS of most gambling site, like concerning the free bonuses and rewards, some sites hand over rewards on sign up to attract users to patronise them and most times those rewards are not withdrawable but used as a means to keep users active in their sites, because in as much as users are looking to win and make profits the casino also indirectly want you to lose and bet more, enriching their companies.most times they give these rewards to attract new users from their competitors, that's why I stated earlier that you should read carefully and not between lines upon registration.but if a site doesn't include in their Tos a particular statement and do otherwise then such sites should be considered a site or app and reported to the appropriate authorities.

Which authority it is? even the casino is licensed, there's no authority want to take care about it because Curacao license has nothing to do to protect the gambler against of scam casino.

Well, it's really wrong if someone think casino is a charity. When the casino offer 200% welcome bonus, it doesn't mean you just need to make deposit and the casino will give double of your money instantly without requirement.

[doomloop]

It’s rare since reputable casino typically don’t care much on a win of a player since they are getting profit on other losing players to recover lose from winners. There are instances like this in the past but from a not established casino. I think the most popular case like this from a popular casino is the issue Betfury retroactive changing of commision percentage on the referral. Betfury change the percentage on their ToS without informing the user that already earned the commission for the changes happened.

Most of the reputable casinos really does not care on the winning pf the players simce their systems are probably fair and their know that the players will win as much as they lose so it is two ways, but those that have no reputation will simply make excuses and to the point of mandating the players to either go through endless KYC verification process and also locking the customer to either withdrawal or make bets with rhe amount won.

But then also we have to be prepared for whatever happens and to lessen our risks, we have to rely much on reputable casinos only to guarantee wins.

Though there is never any guarantee of winning, it's true that one shouldn't rely on new and untrustworthy casinos because anything can happen these days when there is so much competition in the business so are so many scams, that is why one cannot believe a casino that is newly released and doesn't even have a lot of gamblers using the platform, instead of using a casino like that, one should simply go with an already reputable one to stay safe.

I don't blame all the newly launched platforms for not being trustworthy because all the casinos that have a good reputation and a lot of trust among the community were launched newly but since it carries a lot of risk, one should always be vigilant about which platform they are choosing.

[Gozie51]

Changing of terms and conditions without notifying the users or gamblers is normal with online gambling websites? Then when you did something wrong or about to withdraw your money they will tell you that you don't read their terms and conditions, and you start arguing with them until you decide to read the ToS again and you find out that it's different.

I think it is not proper for casinos to abruptly change ToS without informing users especially when it has to do with major terms that can stop users from withdrawing there winning. They should be able to send email notifications to those old users already active and playing with them. On the other hand too I think sometimes bettors should take time to read on those important aspect that will stop them from withdrawing.  However, we should expect changes in ToS from time to time because the world is not stagnant and every other thing revolve as things change because change is the only thing that is constant.

[vv181]

Changing of terms and conditions without notifying the users or gamblers is normal with online gambling websites? Then when you did something wrong or about to withdraw your money they will tell you that you don't read their terms and conditions, and you start arguing with them until you decide to read the ToS again and you find out that it's different.

I think it is not proper for casinos to abruptly change ToS without informing users especially when it has to do with major terms that can stop users from withdrawing there winning.

Here is the thing, if the casino is licenced, we should take a look and scrutinise the related regulation governing the matter. I am pretty sure there is a legal limitation on what the company significantly can or can not change regarding some particular terms of services. Pretty much a few pages back, I think, it is roughly a pointless discussion or at the very least a circular one where it does not get to the point of the matter. Specifically, if we'd like to discuss this further let's take an example of some gambling licenses that the majority of regulated casino chooses.

[LUCKMCFLY]

We must try to be active to read the rules, which may be very long and difficult to understand if we only read them once. We do that so that we don't break the rules and can immediately withdraw the money without any problems. It's better not to ignore these rules so that we can enjoy gambling well and withdraw the money. But many gamblers need to read the rules because they think it will be the same for every casino when it's not. It is a form of responsibility that we can take to protect ourselves while playing gambling so that we can be calm and comfortable playing gambling at a trusted casino.

While this is the correct thing to do, at the same time it is very rare, most of the time when a gambler wants to try a new casino they are so excited about it that they want to begin to gamble immediately, so they do not bother to read the terms of service of the casino, now most of the time this will not be a problem, however if you happen to encounter some circumstances that are out of the ordinary then you could regret not reading those terms, as in that case the casino will most likely be on the right and they will be able to take the measures that suit their interests the best.

If you start sending big amount to the casino, it is your very own responsibility to check the terms of the site.
Because whatever happens is your fault because as a player, you have the responsibility to know their ToS.
They put it in place as a common ground for both players and the owner, absence of this will give them a messy management of their casino.
So for me, some of these accusations also root from the ignorance of the players, and not entirely the casinos fault.

Well, what you say is very true, sometimes we as Players do not bother to read because we do not give it the required importance, and we must give it, the simple fact that it is about putting our money in a site is important enough to read whatever, I'm honest, sometimes I don't read anything, because I'm lazy, but it's something that plays against me, when an accusation is going to be made and they draw the terms and tell us that we must accept it because we we do, there is nothing to do, we sign and accept that it is so.

If we read and realize everything, it's up to us to accept the Cough or not, or go to another casino, it's simple, I think it's the right way to accept things and not cause so much trouble, but when you don't Read the one you lose he is a player.

Many times, due to the excitement of registering quickly and getting a bonus that seems great to us, we lose reading all these things, which are very important, many times I have had several bad experiences because I have not read and the deposit that I make They give me a super special bonus, double, and when I feel like I've won a lot of money I can't make a withdrawal afterwards, and that bothered me, that's why I'm not in favor of having bonuses, or accepting things like that, I highly respect players who They are bonus hunters or those who do like bonuses regardless of the requirements to be able to withdraw, but I am not good for that, for me it is better than if I deposit to play only with that money, if I win then I can withdraw calmly and if not then I assume my loss, I think it's only more mature that I can do.

[Bitcoin_people]

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Some gambling websites consist of wicked owners that willingly plan to defraud their users using the ToS against them, or is this normal? Have such happened to anyone on this forum before?

There are some casino platforms that use malicious ToS to annoy users. It has been observed that when a gambler tries to withdraw the lottery winnings, various charges are issued against the user from ToS. In many cases, malicious ToS are harassed by casino platforms that go out of their way to scam them. But if this happened to someone then definitely those scam gambling platforms should be avoided.

[ScamViruS]

There are some casino platforms that use malicious ToS to annoy users. It has been observed that when a gambler tries to withdraw the lottery winnings, various charges are issued against the user from ToS. In many cases, malicious ToS are harassed by casino platforms that go out of their way to scam them. But if this happened to someone then definitely those scam gambling platforms should be avoided.

A gambler doesn't violate their ToS when they keep losing, but when a gambler starts winning they accuse that gambler of various suspicious activities and freeze that gambler's funds. These are actually seen regularly in the gambling industry, there are many gambling websites that are always looking for ways to quietly cheat their customers. So it is important for a gambler to keep updated, regularly aware of the ToS, so as not to block the gambler's money with any irrelevant complaint. Before joining a gambling website, a gambler should be well aware of the casino's reputation.

[Mahanton]

There are some casino platforms that use malicious ToS to annoy users. It has been observed that when a gambler tries to withdraw the lottery winnings, various charges are issued against the user from ToS. In many cases, malicious ToS are harassed by casino platforms that go out of their way to scam them. But if this happened to someone then definitely those scam gambling platforms should be avoided.

A gambler doesn't violate their ToS when they keep losing, but when a gambler starts winning they accuse that gambler of various suspicious activities and freeze that gambler's funds. These are actually seen regularly in the gambling industry, there are many gambling websites that are always looking for ways to quietly cheat their customers. So it is important for a gambler to keep updated, regularly aware of the ToS, so as not to block the gambler's money with any irrelevant complaint. Before joining a gambling website, a gambler should be well aware of the casino's reputation.

And that signifies that you are dealing with a shady casino on which having that kind of behavior which is something unforgivable or something that shouldn't really be tolerated. Yes, any platform could be able to do such act
on which on the time that there are players who do have big wins and the platform starts on throwing up those issues about changes of rules and terms on which it would be causing for those lock ups. Yes, they could be able to do such thing but on the time that those players do make out complaints and its been proven that they've been doing shady things then it would really be taking a toll into their business on which it would be
resulting that they wont really be visited out by gamblers because they do know that it does already have that kind of shady history. Nothing really beats out into those casinos who could really be able to
process instant no matter how big or small the winning is, also when it comes to transparency then i dont really have doubts for those most popular gambling sites as of this time.
 Going or making use of TOS alterations for avoiding winning is really a no go or really a shady act for a business to do so.

[QueenVera]

Changing of terms and conditions without notifying the users or gamblers is normal with online gambling websites? Then when you did something wrong or about to withdraw your money they will tell you that you don't read their terms and conditions, and you start arguing with them until you decide to read the ToS again and you find out that it's different.

Some gambling websites consist of wicked owners that willingly plan to defraud their users using the ToS against them, or is this normal? Have such happened to anyone on this forum before?

The terms and conditions of some platforms changes over time and legalised betting platform would always inform their customers about a in their ToS or before they intend making any new rules and regulations of their platform, it is very good to go through the term and conditions of a platform, read through thoroughly and see if their new changed term is suitable for you, I've heard of situations where people get carried away by huge bonuses offered by some betting platforms and then would rush to create an account with the platform without even checking their term and conditions, reading a platforms ToS I's what most bettors fail to do because they feel it same with every other onces they've come across but no, different platforms ToS might looks similar but slightly different from eachother.

 It's only those platforms that are not legalised or those cloned by hackers that would come up with strategic ways of using the ToS to defraud users of their money asides that sometimes some legalised sites involves wagering demands and other policies for withdrawals and most people that didn't go through the ToS or skipped just to claim huge offers from the site, would have this issue and put the blames on the site owners, forgetting that they're the ones who fail to read and understand the platforms terms and conditions.

[danadc]

There are some casino platforms that use malicious ToS to annoy users. It has been observed that when a gambler tries to withdraw the lottery winnings, various charges are issued against the user from ToS. In many cases, malicious ToS are harassed by casino platforms that go out of their way to scam them. But if this happened to someone then definitely those scam gambling platforms should be avoided.

A gambler doesn't violate their ToS when they keep losing, but when a gambler starts winning they accuse that gambler of various suspicious activities and freeze that gambler's funds. These are actually seen regularly in the gambling industry, there are many gambling websites that are always looking for ways to quietly cheat their customers. So it is important for a gambler to keep updated, regularly aware of the ToS, so as not to block the gambler's money with any irrelevant complaint. Before joining a gambling website, a gambler should be well aware of the casino's reputation.

And that signifies that you are dealing with a shady casino on which having that kind of behavior which is something unforgivable or something that shouldn't really be tolerated. Yes, any platform could be able to do such act
on which on the time that there are players who do have big wins and the platform starts on throwing up those issues about changes of rules and terms on which it would be causing for those lock ups. Yes, they could be able to do such thing but on the time that those players do make out complaints and its been proven that they've been doing shady things then it would really be taking a toll into their business on which it would be
resulting that they wont really be visited out by gamblers because they do know that it does already have that kind of shady history. Nothing really beats out into those casinos who could really be able to
process instant no matter how big or small the winning is, also when it comes to transparency then i dont really have doubts for those most popular gambling sites as of this time.
 Going or making use of TOS alterations for avoiding winning is really a no go or really a shady act for a business to do so.

What I can do in These cases is Something very easy , let myself be Carried away by things that are not usually shady , those casinos that Remain in a good Treatment with their Clients and do not Leave anything crazy, they are Well focused and do not Change the Rules of the game , I have not been in Casinos that are like this , but at the Moment that the Rules Change for me and I see that the Rules are changing due to the processes in my Games , what I would look for Would be to withdraw what I have done if it is that I have money there, and then go Because I like to Protect myself from Sites that use Fraud, that want to take Advantage of the Slightest errors of a Player to get rich , and I Think that's the best.

[letteredhub]

Changing of terms and conditions without notifying the users or gamblers is normal with online gambling websites? Then when you did something wrong or about to withdraw your money they will tell you that you don't read their terms and conditions, and you start arguing with them until you decide to read the ToS again and you find out that it's different.

Some gambling websites consist of wicked owners that willingly plan to defraud their users using the ToS against them, or is this normal? Have such happened to anyone on this forum before?

If you find yourself with casinos that operates in such a debauchery manner with their ToS that's a red flag sign for you the gambler to abandon such online casinos site and look for a well reputable online casino. If you've got some cash in there find ways to withdraw it ASAP cause it's not only wrong for them to change ToS without prior notification to their clients but it's a subtle scheme of defrauding their customers.

A lot of these online casinos that behave this way often come into the market with outrageous bonuses just to attract more users to later trap them with obnoxious ToS unknown to users.

[Wiwo]

There are some casino platforms that use malicious ToS to annoy users. It has been observed that when a gambler tries to withdraw the lottery winnings, various charges are issued against the user from ToS. In many cases, malicious ToS are harassed by casino platforms that go out of their way to scam them. But if this happened to someone then definitely those scam gambling platforms should be avoided.

A gambler doesn't violate their ToS when they keep losing, but when a gambler starts winning they accuse that gambler of various suspicious activities and freeze that gambler's funds. These are actually seen regularly in the gambling industry, there are many gambling websites that are always looking for ways to quietly cheat their customers. So it is important for a gambler to keep updated, regularly aware of the ToS, so as not to block the gambler's money with any irrelevant complaint. Before joining a gambling website, a gambler should be well aware of the casino's reputation.

And that signifies that you are dealing with a shady casino on which having that kind of behavior which is something unforgivable or something that shouldn't really be tolerated. Yes, any platform could be able to do such act
on which on the time that there are players who do have big wins and the platform starts on throwing up those issues about changes of rules and terms on which it would be causing for those lock ups. Yes, they could be able to do such thing but on the time that those players do make out complaints and its been proven that they've been doing shady things then it would really be taking a toll into their business on which it would be
resulting that they wont really be visited out by gamblers because they do know that it does already have that kind of shady history. Nothing really beats out into those casinos who could really be able to
process instant no matter how big or small the winning is, also when it comes to transparency then i dont really have doubts for those most popular gambling sites as of this time.
 Going or making use of TOS alterations for avoiding winning is really a no go or really a shady act for a business to do so.

What I can do in These cases is Something very easy , let myself be Carried away by things that are not usually shady , those casinos that Remain in a good Treatment with their Clients and do not Leave anything crazy, they are Well focused and do not Change the Rules of the game , I have not been in Casinos that are like this , but at the Moment that the Rules Change for me and I see that the Rules are changing due to the processes in my Games , what I would look for Would be to withdraw what I have done if it is that I have money there, and then go Because I like to Protect myself from Sites that use Fraud, that want to take Advantage of the Slightest errors of a Player to get rich , and I Think that's the best.

That is the fact,  any casino that is truly ready for business will do everything within their power to make sure that they satisfy the customer's and work out a way to build a good reputation that will increase their user based on the community,  and those casinos that have cases of change in the TOS changes and funny acts are set out to defraud their clients at all cost and their are not interested in building a reputable business in the casino.

We can easily spot such fake casinos with the ways their treat their clients issues and how the constantly changes the mode operation.

[DoublerHunter]

That is the fact,  any casino that is truly ready for business will do everything within their power to make sure that they satisfy the customer's and work out a way to build a good reputation that will increase their user based on the community,  and those casinos that have cases of change in the TOS changes and funny acts are set out to defraud their clients at all cost and their are not interested in building a reputable business in the casino.

We can easily spot such fake casinos with the ways their treat their clients issues and how the constantly changes the mode operation.

^Definitely right because reputable and legitimate casinos understand the importance of customer satisfaction and work diligently to establish a good reputation within the community, the same as here. They strive to create an enjoyable and fair gaming experience for their users. These trustworthy casinos prioritize their customers' needs and concerns, actively addressing any issues that arise.
Also, casinos that engage in deceptive practices, such as making frequent changes to their Terms of Service (TOS) without proper communication, are likely to be attempting to defraud their clients. Such establishments are more interested in maximizing profits at the expense of their customers' well-being and trust and probably these unethical actions can seriously harm the reputation of the casino and drive away potential users.

[summonerrk]

Changing of terms and conditions without notifying the users or gamblers is normal with online gambling websites? Then when you did something wrong or about to withdraw your money they will tell you that you don't read their terms and conditions, and you start arguing with them until you decide to read the ToS again and you find out that it's different.

Some gambling websites consist of wicked owners that willingly plan to defraud their users using the ToS against them, or is this normal? Have such happened to anyone on this forum before?

If you find yourself with casinos that operates in such a debauchery manner with their ToS that's a red flag sign for you the gambler to abandon such online casinos site and look for a well reputable online casino. If you've got some cash in there find ways to withdraw it ASAP cause it's not only wrong for them to change ToS without prior notification to their clients but it's a subtle scheme of defrauding their customers.

A lot of these online casinos that behave this way often come into the market with outrageous bonuses just to attract more users to later trap them with obnoxious ToS unknown to users.

True, but as it turns out, even huge casinos and even crypto exchanges often show dishonest behavior towards ordinary users. For example, crypto casinos, where there is no need to pass the KYC, may prohibit a player from making large withdrawals. The fact is that on crypto exchanges and casinos, when withdrawing large amounts, you need to prove that you are the one withdrawing this money. And often crypto platforms at this moment provide a passport or other documents. And the exchanges, which knowingly stated that they would not ask for these documents, will force the user to undergo 10 checks, and hope that he will cancel the code and return to lose this money.

[Hamphser]

There are some casino platforms that use malicious ToS to annoy users. It has been observed that when a gambler tries to withdraw the lottery winnings, various charges are issued against the user from ToS. In many cases, malicious ToS are harassed by casino platforms that go out of their way to scam them. But if this happened to someone then definitely those scam gambling platforms should be avoided.

A gambler doesn't violate their ToS when they keep losing, but when a gambler starts winning they accuse that gambler of various suspicious activities and freeze that gambler's funds. These are actually seen regularly in the gambling industry, there are many gambling websites that are always looking for ways to quietly cheat their customers. So it is important for a gambler to keep updated, regularly aware of the ToS, so as not to block the gambler's money with any irrelevant complaint. Before joining a gambling website, a gambler should be well aware of the casino's reputation.

And that signifies that you are dealing with a shady casino on which having that kind of behavior which is something unforgivable or something that shouldn't really be tolerated. Yes, any platform could be able to do such act
on which on the time that there are players who do have big wins and the platform starts on throwing up those issues about changes of rules and terms on which it would be causing for those lock ups. Yes, they could be able to do such thing but on the time that those players do make out complaints and its been proven that they've been doing shady things then it would really be taking a toll into their business on which it would be
resulting that they wont really be visited out by gamblers because they do know that it does already have that kind of shady history. Nothing really beats out into those casinos who could really be able to
process instant no matter how big or small the winning is, also when it comes to transparency then i dont really have doubts for those most popular gambling sites as of this time.
 Going or making use of TOS alterations for avoiding winning is really a no go or really a shady act for a business to do so.

What I can do in These cases is Something very easy , let myself be Carried away by things that are not usually shady , those casinos that Remain in a good Treatment with their Clients and do not Leave anything crazy, they are Well focused and do not Change the Rules of the game , I have not been in Casinos that are like this , but at the Moment that the Rules Change for me and I see that the Rules are changing due to the processes in my Games , what I would look for Would be to withdraw what I have done if it is that I have money there, and then go Because I like to Protect myself from Sites that use Fraud, that want to take Advantage of the Slightest errors of a Player to get rich , and I Think that's the best.

That is the fact,  any casino that is truly ready for business will do everything within their power to make sure that they satisfy the customer's and work out a way to build a good reputation that will increase their user based on the community,  and those casinos that have cases of change in the TOS changes and funny acts are set out to defraud their clients at all cost and their are not interested in building a reputable business in the casino.

We can easily spot such fake casinos with the ways their treat their clients issues and how the constantly changes the mode operation.

On the time that you would really be changing up or testing up some new casinos that you would be tending to do so then its always been ideal that you should be watching or researching for whatever feedbacks that
it would have neither positive or negative and if you do find out something not that nice then make some in depth research if its true or not or simply trying out to check a website or company but if you dont really like
some headache then it would really better that you shouldn't really be tending to risks out if you arent sure or your are really that hesitating.

A site that do make use of that TOS change for it to be the reason on why locking up users funds then it would really be creating that kind of impression that it is really indeed shady.
Legit casino sites would really be transparent as much as possible on which even on the slightest changes would really be having a corresponding announcement or alert
in about such changes or whatever actions they had made out.

[serjent05]

Changing of terms and conditions without notifying the users or gamblers is normal with online gambling websites? Then when you did something wrong or about to withdraw your money they will tell you that you don't read their terms and conditions, and you start arguing with them until you decide to read the ToS again and you find out that it's different.

Some gambling websites consist of wicked owners that willingly plan to defraud their users using the ToS against them, or is this normal? Have such happened to anyone on this forum before?

If you find yourself with casinos that operates in such a debauchery manner with their ToS that's a red flag sign for you the gambler to abandon such online casinos site and look for a well reputable online casino. If you've got some cash in there find ways to withdraw it ASAP cause it's not only wrong for them to change ToS without prior notification to their clients but it's a subtle scheme of defrauding their customers.

A lot of these online casinos that behave this way often come into the market with outrageous bonuses just to attract more users to later trap them with obnoxious ToS unknown to users.

I agree that the player should avoid the shady casino and hop into a reputable casino platform.  But sadly it would be too late for the player to recover his funds and just have to move on with the losses.  It is really infuriating when we happen to stumble a pretending to be a good casino with their initial good TOS only to find out that they are tricksters by modifying their TOS in order to support their illegal actions and the player can't do anything about it but to just move on.

[Taskford]

Changing of terms and conditions without notifying the users or gamblers is normal with online gambling websites? Then when you did something wrong or about to withdraw your money they will tell you that you don't read their terms and conditions, and you start arguing with them until you decide to read the ToS again and you find out that it's different.

Some gambling websites consist of wicked owners that willingly plan to defraud their users using the ToS against them, or is this normal? Have such happened to anyone on this forum before?

If you find yourself with casinos that operates in such a debauchery manner with their ToS that's a red flag sign for you the gambler to abandon such online casinos site and look for a well reputable online casino. If you've got some cash in there find ways to withdraw it ASAP cause it's not only wrong for them to change ToS without prior notification to their clients but it's a subtle scheme of defrauding their customers.

A lot of these online casinos that behave this way often come into the market with outrageous bonuses just to attract more users to later trap them with obnoxious ToS unknown to users.

I agree that the player should avoid the shady casino and hop into a reputable casino platform.  But sadly it would be too late for the player to recover his funds and just have to move on with the losses.  It is really infuriating when we happen to stumble a pretending to be a good casino with their initial good TOS only to find out that they are tricksters by modifying their TOS in order to support their illegal actions and the player can't do anything about it but to just move on.

In reputable casino they cannot experience that editing of TOS for them to get a conflict with it compare to unknown casino which sometimes do that so their players cannot withdraw their winnings especially when the amount is big. This is the important reason why we need to choose the best casino since it gave convenience and can make sure that we are playing safe platform with them. If we found out some casino do this actions then its better to report it here to warn other people so many can avoid and get compromised.

[vv181]

If you find yourself with casinos that operates in such a debauchery manner with their ToS that's a red flag sign for you the gambler to abandon such online casinos site and look for a well reputable online casino.

True, but as it turns out, even huge casinos and even crypto exchanges often show dishonest behavior towards ordinary users. ~ The fact is that on crypto exchanges and casinos, when withdrawing large amounts, you need to prove that you are the one withdrawing this money. And often crypto platforms at this moment provide a passport or other documents. And the exchanges, which knowingly stated that they would not ask for these documents, will force the user to undergo 10 checks, and hope that he will cancel the code and return to lose this money.

You can not generalize that all casinos and exchanges are practising dishonest behaviour. In some cases, due to the applied laws and regulatory frameworks, it is required for them to collect more user identification when dealing with some high threshold amount of money. They want to make their business safe, so they must comply. A well reputable casino and exchange surely follow the regulatory framework for the sake of the user and their own.

So just because a service or platform asks their user for more detailed information does not mean they are practising dishonest behaviour.

[Docnaster]

If you find yourself with casinos that operates in such a debauchery manner with their ToS that's a red flag sign for you the gambler to abandon such online casinos site and look for a well reputable online casino.

True, but as it turns out, even huge casinos and even crypto exchanges often show dishonest behavior towards ordinary users. ~ The fact is that on crypto exchanges and casinos, when withdrawing large amounts, you need to prove that you are the one withdrawing this money. And often crypto platforms at this moment provide a passport or other documents. And the exchanges, which knowingly stated that they would not ask for these documents, will force the user to undergo 10 checks, and hope that he will cancel the code and return to lose this money.

You can not generalize that all casinos and exchanges are practising dishonest behaviour. In some cases, due to the applied laws and regulatory frameworks, it is required for them to collect more user identification when dealing with some high threshold amount of money. They want to make their business safe, so they must comply. A well reputable casino and exchange surely follow the regulatory framework for the sake of the user and their own.

So just because a service or platform asks their user for more detailed information does not mean they are practising dishonest behaviour.

It is correct that not all casinos are into fraudulent activities or are dishonest to their customers. We also understand that different jurisdictions have different laws that are guiding gambling in their area and a certain casino that is established in that area must follow the laws.
It is the process of licensing that the government that pressure casino to demand for extra kyc. But then there are some casinos that are looking for slight reasons to flag customers winnings. They open the door wide open during deposit and close it during withdrawal.

[ethereumhunter]

If you find yourself with casinos that operates in such a debauchery manner with their ToS that's a red flag sign for you the gambler to abandon such online casinos site and look for a well reputable online casino.

True, but as it turns out, even huge casinos and even crypto exchanges often show dishonest behavior towards ordinary users. ~ The fact is that on crypto exchanges and casinos, when withdrawing large amounts, you need to prove that you are the one withdrawing this money. And often crypto platforms at this moment provide a passport or other documents. And the exchanges, which knowingly stated that they would not ask for these documents, will force the user to undergo 10 checks, and hope that he will cancel the code and return to lose this money.

You can not generalize that all casinos and exchanges are practising dishonest behaviour. In some cases, due to the applied laws and regulatory frameworks, it is required for them to collect more user identification when dealing with some high threshold amount of money. They want to make their business safe, so they must comply. A well reputable casino and exchange surely follow the regulatory framework for the sake of the user and their own.

So just because a service or platform asks their user for more detailed information does not mean they are practising dishonest behaviour.

That's right and it depends on each casino or exchange and as long as we can choose the casino or exchange, we definitely won't have any problem with them. And when you find a casino or exchange that is dishonest with their ToS, you can move on to other, more trustworthy places. We are users of casinos and exchanges and can choose the ones we want. Don't stick to one casino or exchange if that makes us uncomfortable with the service so that we can experience a different atmosphere. And both casinos and exchanges now require their users to verify their users. And if one person doesn't like one thing, they should look elsewhere until they find one that suits them.

[piebeyb]

So just because a service or platform asks their user for more detailed information does not mean they are practising dishonest behaviour.

Yes, of course there are certain reasons for gambling platforms to ask for KYC and the user's full identity, usually small gambling platforms will complicate the withdrawal process and process reviewing the user's identity, except on large gambling platforms they will not make it difficult for user withdrawals and even they are honest with their users that it is a regulation that already exist so that it must be done to prevent money laundering or fraud being committed.

So as long as KYC is still considered normal it won't be a problem as long as a trusted gambling platform site is in this forum, I'm sure they will practice honest behavior, don't just because one gambling platform behaves dishonestly we all think that other casinos are like that too, not really , because a big and reputable casino will not make things difficult for all of its users.

[Fortify]

Changing of terms and conditions without notifying the users or gamblers is normal with online gambling websites? Then when you did something wrong or about to withdraw your money they will tell you that you don't read their terms and conditions, and you start arguing with them until you decide to read the ToS again and you find out that it's different.

Some gambling websites consist of wicked owners that willingly plan to defraud their users using the ToS against them, or is this normal? Have such happened to anyone on this forum before?

A terms of service is a contract, in this case between the casino and the player. The terms of service is in all cases I've seen, very prominently linked throughout the site. The player also has to indicate in most cases, that they've acknowledged and agree to adhere to this set of rules. That seems perfectly fair to me and you seem annoyed that people are held to the promises that they make? Often the terms are there to make the relationship simply defined because things have been abused in the past.

[tusandii]

If you find yourself with casinos that operates in such a debauchery manner with their ToS that's a red flag sign for you the gambler to abandon such online casinos site and look for a well reputable online casino.

True, but as it turns out, even huge casinos and even crypto exchanges often show dishonest behavior towards ordinary users. ~ The fact is that on crypto exchanges and casinos, when withdrawing large amounts, you need to prove that you are the one withdrawing this money. And often crypto platforms at this moment provide a passport or other documents. And the exchanges, which knowingly stated that they would not ask for these documents, will force the user to undergo 10 checks, and hope that he will cancel the code and return to lose this money.

You can not generalize that all casinos and exchanges are practising dishonest behaviour. In some cases, due to the applied laws and regulatory frameworks, it is required for them to collect more user identification when dealing with some high threshold amount of money. They want to make their business safe, so they must comply. A well reputable casino and exchange surely follow the regulatory framework for the sake of the user and their own.

So just because a service or platform asks their user for more detailed information does not mean they are practising dishonest behaviour.

This is requested by the casino, usually because of the license used and some licenses do require the casino to enforce identification rules for each customer, apart from that there are also jurisdictional restrictions that have been set by the casino.
Saying that casinos behave dishonestly just because it is is actually too much and unethical in my opinion.

It is better to first study every faq or tos that is on the first page of a gambling site than when acting against the rules and saying the casino is behaving dishonestly because that seems like an accusation that is not groundless.

[slapper]

If you find yourself with casinos that operates in such a debauchery manner with their ToS that's a red flag sign for you the gambler to abandon such online casinos site and look for a well reputable online casino.

True, but as it turns out, even huge casinos and even crypto exchanges often show dishonest behavior towards ordinary users. ~ The fact is that on crypto exchanges and casinos, when withdrawing large amounts, you need to prove that you are the one withdrawing this money. And often crypto platforms at this moment provide a passport or other documents. And the exchanges, which knowingly stated that they would not ask for these documents, will force the user to undergo 10 checks, and hope that he will cancel the code and return to lose this money.

You can not generalize that all casinos and exchanges are practising dishonest behaviour. In some cases, due to the applied laws and regulatory frameworks, it is required for them to collect more user identification when dealing with some high threshold amount of money. They want to make their business safe, so they must comply. A well reputable casino and exchange surely follow the regulatory framework for the sake of the user and their own.

So just because a service or platform asks their user for more detailed information does not mean they are practising dishonest behaviour.

This is requested by the casino, usually because of the license used and some licenses do require the casino to enforce identification rules for each customer, apart from that there are also jurisdictional restrictions that have been set by the casino.
Saying that casinos behave dishonestly just because it is is actually too much and unethical in my opinion.

It is better to first study every faq or tos that is on the first page of a gambling site than when acting against the rules and saying the casino is behaving dishonestly because that seems like an accusation that is not groundless.

Verification procedures and jurisdictional restrictions are standard aspects of licensed online casinos; they're not there as a malicious intent to trick players. They’re about ensuring safety, legality, and fairness

Rather than jumping to conclusions and branding these platforms as dishonest, it's crucial to familiarize oneself with their FAQ and TOS. These resources offer clear explanations about the regulations and the measures casinos take to ensure customer identity and safety

Admittedly, no system is perfect, but casting aspersions without substantiated claims does a disservice to both the casino and the player community. We all have a part to play in creating a fair and secure online gambling environment

[khaled0111]

even huge casinos and even crypto exchanges often show dishonest behavior towards ordinary users. For example, crypto casinos, where there is no need to pass the KYC, may prohibit a player from making large withdrawals. The fact is that on crypto exchanges and casinos, when withdrawing large amounts, you need to prove that you are the one withdrawing this money. And often crypto platforms at this moment provide a passport or other documents. And the exchanges, which knowingly stated that they would not ask for these documents, will force the user to undergo 10 checks, and hope that he will cancel the code and return to lose this money.

I dare you to mention one "huge" (as per your description) or reputable casino or exchange that clearly states in its terms if service that the will never ask for kyc!
Any service provider that doesn't do so shouldn't be trustedand you should deal with them with extreme caution. Even unlicensed service providers may ask you to verify your identity and there is nothing you can do about it but to comply.

[tusandii]

This is requested by the casino, usually because of the license used and some licenses do require the casino to enforce identification rules for each customer, apart from that there are also jurisdictional restrictions that have been set by the casino.
Saying that casinos behave dishonestly just because it is is actually too much and unethical in my opinion.

It is better to first study every faq or tos that is on the first page of a gambling site than when acting against the rules and saying the casino is behaving dishonestly because that seems like an accusation that is not groundless.

Verification procedures and jurisdictional restrictions are standard aspects of licensed online casinos; they're not there as a malicious intent to trick players. They’re about ensuring safety, legality, and fairness

Rather than jumping to conclusions and branding these platforms as dishonest, it's crucial to familiarize oneself with their FAQ and TOS. These resources offer clear explanations about the regulations and the measures casinos take to ensure customer identity and safety

Admittedly, no system is perfect, but casting aspersions without substantiated claims does a disservice to both the casino and the player community. We all have a part to play in creating a fair and secure online gambling environment

Now that's what all existing gamblers should learn and understand, especially for those beginners who don't want to find out all the information or read every provision in the faq or tos of gambling sites.
If gamblers are willing to read all the casino rules then it is unlikely that they will in the future object to any verification rules or the like that have been written there.

I understand that reading high-fives and FAQs is boring, but when a problem occurs it is they themselves who experience difficulties, so feeling a little bored at the start of entering a gambling site is not a problem, but in the future we can be free from problems that could occur.
Only stupid people blame gambling sites because of their own fault breaking casino rules.

[avp2306]

even huge casinos and even crypto exchanges often show dishonest behavior towards ordinary users. For example, crypto casinos, where there is no need to pass the KYC, may prohibit a player from making large withdrawals. The fact is that on crypto exchanges and casinos, when withdrawing large amounts, you need to prove that you are the one withdrawing this money. And often crypto platforms at this moment provide a passport or other documents. And the exchanges, which knowingly stated that they would not ask for these documents, will force the user to undergo 10 checks, and hope that he will cancel the code and return to lose this money.

I dare you to mention one "huge" (as per your description) or reputable casino or exchange that clearly states in its terms if service that the will never ask for kyc!
Any service provider that doesn't do so shouldn't be trustedand you should deal with them with extreme caution. Even unlicensed service providers may ask you to verify your identity and there is nothing you can do about it but to comply.

Maybe he's talking about before since this KYC is not necessarily needed but time change when crypto became big and government institution notice some business running using this and now every reputable or old platforms need to conduct this requirements to their users. I guess there's no problem about it as long as the casino is reputable and have strong community that supports it.

[Webetcoins]

There are some casino platforms that use malicious ToS to annoy users. It has been observed that when a gambler tries to withdraw the lottery winnings, various charges are issued against the user from ToS. In many cases, malicious ToS are harassed by casino platforms that go out of their way to scam them. But if this happened to someone then definitely those scam gambling platforms should be avoided.

A gambler doesn't violate their ToS when they keep losing, but when a gambler starts winning they accuse that gambler of various suspicious activities and freeze that gambler's funds. These are actually seen regularly in the gambling industry, there are many gambling websites that are always looking for ways to quietly cheat their customers. So it is important for a gambler to keep updated, regularly aware of the ToS, so as not to block the gambler's money with any irrelevant complaint. Before joining a gambling website, a gambler should be well aware of the casino's reputation.

That is the reason why it's important for a gambler to read the terms and conditions of a casino before signing up and especially before making a deposit, because if they do that, they would know the rules and everything and they can also have an idea if the platform is good or not, if they don't like the terms and conditions of the casino, they should simply avoid using it and try and find another platform that has different terms and conditions that they like more.

But, most of the time, gamblers don't read the terms and conditions only because they are long and boring and require some time as you will need to read through it all which becomes the reason for later running into problems. If a gambler doesn't want to read the terms and conditions, they should only use casinos that are already trusted by the community.

[vv181]

So just because a service or platform asks their user for more detailed information does not mean they are practising dishonest behaviour.

Yes, of course there are certain reasons for gambling platforms to ask for KYC and the user's full identity, usually small gambling platforms will complicate the withdrawal process and process reviewing the user's identity, except on large gambling platforms they will not make it difficult for user withdrawals and even they are honest with their users that it is a regulation that already exist so that it must be done to prevent money laundering or fraud being committed.

You can not generalize that all casinos and exchanges are practising dishonest behaviour. In some cases, due to the applied laws and regulatory frameworks, it is required for them to collect more user identification when dealing with some high threshold amount of money. They want to make their business safe, so they must comply. A well reputable casino and exchange surely follow the regulatory framework for the sake of the user and their own.

So just because a service or platform asks their user for more detailed information does not mean they are practising dishonest behaviour.

This is requested by the casino, usually because of the license used and some licenses do require the casino to enforce identification rules for each customer, apart from that there are also jurisdictional restrictions that have been set by the casino.
Saying that casinos behave dishonestly just because it is is actually too much and unethical in my opinion.

Certainly. The silver lining, AFAIK, is some licensed games are required different regulation requirements than others. Furthermore, each casino software or slot provider also applies a set of different terms requirements for their own games. It is a complex process to ensure the casino and provider is compliant with its respective regulation.

Moreover, as a piece of information, obviously, it is stated in the casinos' terms of service. Some providers or casinos did not support some countries. Some games are also, only available in some countries. So it is clearly stated about those terms.

[AHOYBRAUSE]

Changing of terms and conditions without notifying the users or gamblers is normal with online gambling websites? Then when you did something wrong or about to withdraw your money they will tell you that you don't read their terms and conditions, and you start arguing with them until you decide to read the ToS again and you find out that it's different.

Some gambling websites consist of wicked owners that willingly plan to defraud their users using the ToS against them, or is this normal? Have such happened to anyone on this forum before?

We recently had the in the stake thread.
They are changing their terms all the time without notifying anybody, that's really a bad way to communicate with your customers. Also it is dangerous for us, since unknowingly we can violate some rules that have been implemented recently which results in an investigation and/or bad in the worst scenario.

On other fiat site I played in the past every change of terms was communicated with the players and had to be agreed on if you want to continue playing there. That's how it is supposed to be and any place that isn't doing it can't be trusted 100% unfortunately.

[QueenVera]

Changing of terms and conditions without notifying the users or gamblers is normal with online gambling websites? Then when you did something wrong or about to withdraw your money they will tell you that you don't read their terms and conditions, and you start arguing with them until you decide to read the ToS again and you find out that it's different.

Some gambling websites consist of wicked owners that willingly plan to defraud their users using the ToS against them, or is this normal? Have such happened to anyone on this forum before?

If you find yourself with casinos that operates in such a debauchery manner with their ToS that's a red flag sign for you the gambler to abandon such online casinos site and look for a well reputable online casino. If you've got some cash in there find ways to withdraw it ASAP cause it's not only wrong for them to change ToS without prior notification to their clients but it's a subtle scheme of defrauding their customers.

A lot of these online casinos that behave this way often come into the market with outrageous bonuses just to attract more users to later trap them with obnoxious ToS unknown to users.

True, but as it turns out, even huge casinos and even crypto exchanges often show dishonest behavior towards ordinary users. For example, crypto casinos, where there is no need to pass the KYC, may prohibit a player from making large withdrawals. The fact is that on crypto exchanges and casinos, when withdrawing large amounts, you need to prove that you are the one withdrawing this money. And often crypto platforms at this moment provide a passport or other documents. And the exchanges, which knowingly stated that they would not ask for these documents, will force the user to undergo 10 checks, and hope that he will cancel the code and return to lose this money.

The thing is that no platform would want to deliberately punish a customer if you don't bridge or go against their policy, that why it's good as a customer to read through the policies of a platform so a not to fall victim of these actions taken by casino owners to push people who go against there policy
 Some customers try to use these casino platforms to divert funds gotten from fraudulent acts into their betting accounts and withdraw the huge funds without staking on a game, therefore they've come up with different strategies to track users that are commiting such act and that's why they'll always be suspicious of customers that's try to withdrawal  huge funds whether you win it from the platform or not you'll have to go through a process to prove your ownership.
 However there are still some acts the some casino sites do that i don't find interesting with is changing their TOS  without the notice of the customers, I feel if a platform wants to change their policy the first thing they need to do is to inform their customers of the new change of policy so as not to be victims of a policy breach due to ignorance.

[Wiwo]

The thing is that no platform would want to deliberately punish a customer if you don't bridge or go against their policy, that why it's good as a customer to read through the policies of a platform so a not to fall victim of these actions taken by casino owners to push people who go against there policy
 Some customers try to use these casino platforms to divert funds gotten from fraudulent acts into their betting accounts and withdraw the huge funds without staking on a game, therefore they've come up with different strategies to track users that are commiting such act and that's why they'll always be suspicious of customers that's try to withdrawal  huge funds whether you win it from the platform or not you'll have to go through a process to prove your ownership.
 However there are still some acts the some casino sites do that i don't find interesting with is changing their TOS  without the notice of the customers, I feel if a platform wants to change their policy the first thing they need to do is to inform their customers of the new change of policy so as not to be victims of a policy breach due to ignorance.

That is the fact most of the casino who cares about their reputation tend to follow every rule and regulations and can only punish players on the violation of their terms and conditions and in most cases before there be a substitution to any rule on the terms and conditions of their service, they tend to make proper briefing and creating enough awareness for the players so at to be able to stay away from any possible regulatory punishment that can come along with their decisions of changing the rules if there don't follow the proper guidelines.

But then also,  we have some other casinos that may not abide by these laydown rules and may decide to operate as a fraudulent casino that can easily break their terms of service just to scam the players and keep on defending themselves for a long time,  so those are the class of casinos we must stay away from to avoid losing all our balance on them.

[summonerrk]

Changing of terms and conditions without notifying the users or gamblers is normal with online gambling websites? Then when you did something wrong or about to withdraw your money they will tell you that you don't read their terms and conditions, and you start arguing with them until you decide to read the ToS again and you find out that it's different.

Some gambling websites consist of wicked owners that willingly plan to defraud their users using the ToS against them, or is this normal? Have such happened to anyone on this forum before?

If you find yourself with casinos that operates in such a debauchery manner with their ToS that's a red flag sign for you the gambler to abandon such online casinos site and look for a well reputable online casino. If you've got some cash in there find ways to withdraw it ASAP cause it's not only wrong for them to change ToS without prior notification to their clients but it's a subtle scheme of defrauding their customers.

A lot of these online casinos that behave this way often come into the market with outrageous bonuses just to attract more users to later trap them with obnoxious ToS unknown to users.

True, but as it turns out, even huge casinos and even crypto exchanges often show dishonest behavior towards ordinary users. For example, crypto casinos, where there is no need to pass the KYC, may prohibit a player from making large withdrawals. The fact is that on crypto exchanges and casinos, when withdrawing large amounts, you need to prove that you are the one withdrawing this money. And often crypto platforms at this moment provide a passport or other documents. And the exchanges, which knowingly stated that they would not ask for these documents, will force the user to undergo 10 checks, and hope that he will cancel the code and return to lose this money.

The thing is that no platform would want to deliberately punish a customer if you don't bridge or go against their policy, that why it's good as a customer to read through the policies of a platform so a not to fall victim of these actions taken by casino owners to push people who go against there policy
 Some customers try to use these casino platforms to divert funds gotten from fraudulent acts into their betting accounts and withdraw the huge funds without staking on a game, therefore they've come up with different strategies to track users that are commiting such act and that's why they'll always be suspicious of customers that's try to withdrawal  huge funds whether you win it from the platform or not you'll have to go through a process to prove your ownership.
 However there are still some acts the some casino sites do that i don't find interesting with is changing their TOS  without the notice of the customers, I feel if a platform wants to change their policy the first thing they need to do is to inform their customers of the new change of policy so as not to be victims of a policy breach due to ignorance.

You correctly noticed that a client may try to "clean up" his cryptocurrency by introducing it to an exchange or to a gaming crypto platform, such as a casino, poker, or a betting service. It's hard to imagine how much work lawyers and data analysts have, who double-check incoming funds on huge services, for example, such as binance, because there is a huge flow of users, and even if one introduces a cryptocurrency that has previously appeared in illegal actions, then the exchange /gambling service will have problems, since the service can be blamed aiding and abetting illegal actions.

[Docnaster]

Changing of terms and conditions without notifying the users or gamblers is normal with online gambling websites? Then when you did something wrong or about to withdraw your money they will tell you that you don't read their terms and conditions, and you start arguing with them until you decide to read the ToS again and you find out that it's different.

Some gambling websites consist of wicked owners that willingly plan to defraud their users using the ToS against them, or is this normal? Have such happened to anyone on this forum before?

We recently had the in the stake thread.
They are changing their terms all the time without notifying anybody, that's really a bad way to communicate with your customers. Also it is dangerous for us, since unknowingly we can violate some rules that have been implemented recently which results in an investigation and/or bad in the worst scenario.

On other fiat site I played in the past every change of terms was communicated with the players and had to be agreed on if you want to continue playing there. That's how it is supposed to be and any place that isn't doing it can't be trusted 100% unfortunately.

The normal way to approach this is that whenever a gambling company makes changes in their terms of services. They should rightly communicate such to their customers through email or media publication. If the customer said want to continue playing it is left for them. Could it be that the gambling owners might see that a particular change is not that important and therefore is not necessary to communicate to the players. If it is not necessary, why make the changes then?
If there is a change even in the arrangement of sentence that does not affect the meaning, it should ould be communicated to the gamblers. Otherwise no changes should be made.

[Fivestar4everMVP]

Changing of terms and conditions without notifying the users or gamblers is normal with online gambling websites? Then when you did something wrong or about to withdraw your money they will tell you that you don't read their terms and conditions, and you start arguing with them until you decide to read the ToS again and you find out that it's different.

Some gambling websites consist of wicked owners that willingly plan to defraud their users using the ToS against them, or is this normal? Have such happened to anyone on this forum before?

We recently had the in the stake thread.
They are changing their terms all the time without notifying anybody, that's really a bad way to communicate with your customers. Also it is dangerous for us, since unknowingly we can violate some rules that have been implemented recently which results in an investigation and/or bad in the worst scenario.

On other fiat site I played in the past every change of terms was communicated with the players and had to be agreed on if you want to continue playing there. That's how it is supposed to be and any place that isn't doing it can't be trusted 100% unfortunately.

The normal way to approach this is that whenever a gambling company makes changes in their terms of services. They should rightly communicate such to their customers through email or media publication. If the customer said want to continue playing it is left for them. Could it be that the gambling owners might see that a particular change is not that important and therefore is not necessary to communicate to the players. If it is not necessary, why make the changes then?
If there is a change even in the arrangement of sentence that does not affect the meaning, it should ould be communicated to the gamblers. Otherwise no changes should be made.

I completely agree with you bud, little things as this is how most of us know casinos that are transparent to their users and those that are not, terms of service or condition of any organization is a very sensitive document or part of that organization, it is what binds the organization and the customers to a mutual understanding, any one, be it the company or the customer , who against what is contained in that document is liable to getting a lawsuit or facing some punishment, gambling casinos that understand this and ready to keep building their reputation always respect what is written in their terms and conditions or service,  they must never fail to communicate any changes to this document with their customers, no matter how insignificant they think the changes are, it is the customers 100 percent right to know.
I think every gambling casinos should copy from what Stake did when they updated their terms of service, they forced every customer to read and accept the new terms before they are granted access into the casino, that is what every online gambling casinos should be doing or do anytime they update their terms of service.

[tusandii]

We recently had the in the stake thread.
They are changing their terms all the time without notifying anybody, that's really a bad way to communicate with your customers. Also it is dangerous for us, since unknowingly we can violate some rules that have been implemented recently which results in an investigation and/or bad in the worst scenario.

On other fiat site I played in the past every change of terms was communicated with the players and had to be agreed on if you want to continue playing there. That's how it is supposed to be and any place that isn't doing it can't be trusted 100% unfortunately.

Do you have a gambling account in Stake?
I want to speak not because I joined their campaign but because based on some of the facts that I experienced.
Stake did change some of their rules or conditions but there is a notification via email message and also when you enter the site there will be a notification that some of the rules have been changed and in the notification it is clearly written to agree to all the changes.

If you have an account and have been playing for a long time on the Stake site then I'm sure you will find or experience the same thing as me.

[ethereumhunter]

We recently had the in the stake thread.
They are changing their terms all the time without notifying anybody, that's really a bad way to communicate with your customers. Also it is dangerous for us, since unknowingly we can violate some rules that have been implemented recently which results in an investigation and/or bad in the worst scenario.

On other fiat site I played in the past every change of terms was communicated with the players and had to be agreed on if you want to continue playing there. That's how it is supposed to be and any place that isn't doing it can't be trusted 100% unfortunately.

Do you have a gambling account in Stake?
I want to speak not because I joined their campaign but because based on some of the facts that I experienced.
Stake did change some of their rules or conditions but there is a notification via email message and also when you enter the site there will be a notification that some of the rules have been changed and in the notification it is clearly written to agree to all the changes.

If you have an account and have been playing for a long time on the Stake site then I'm sure you will find or experience the same thing as me.

The last time I saw, there was a ToS change in Stake and it was notified to all members through a window that would appear when the user logged in to their gambling account so that they could know if there was a ToS change. Some other casinos also notify their members if there is a change in the ToS and maybe they will notify it via email because I've seen that notification come to my email. And it is the responsibility of each member to ensure that there is or is not a change in the casino ToS and they can ask the support service if they don't understand or want to know if there is a change in the ToS.

[Zoomic]

Changing of terms and conditions without notifying the users or gamblers is normal with online gambling websites? Then when you did something wrong or about to withdraw your money they will tell you that you don't read their terms and conditions, and you start arguing with them until you decide to read the ToS again and you find out that it's different.

Lately  I have seen this trending and if actually any casino does this, it is an dishonest behaviour and can also be said to be a breach of an agreement. I have also seen Stake heavily linked to this behaviour but I never saw a thread that they (Stake), clarified themselves on this.

That's right and it depends on each casino or exchange and as long as we can choose the casino or exchange, we definitely won't have any problem with them. And when you find a casino or exchange that is dishonest with their ToS, you can move on to other, more trustworthy places.

That is the simplest thing to do. But what happens is that some gamblers are so addicted to one casino because of their vip status, the  bonuses or the reputation of the company. So, they do no find it comfortable leaving the casino.

[Negotiation]

even huge casinos and even crypto exchanges often show dishonest behavior towards ordinary users. For example, crypto casinos, where there is no need to pass the KYC, may prohibit a player from making large withdrawals. The fact is that on crypto exchanges and casinos, when withdrawing large amounts, you need to prove that you are the one withdrawing this money. And often crypto platforms at this moment provide a passport or other documents. And the exchanges, which knowingly stated that they would not ask for these documents, will force the user to undergo 10 checks, and hope that he will cancel the code and return to lose this money.

I dare you to mention one "huge" (as per your description) or reputable casino or exchange that clearly states in its terms if service that the will never ask for kyc!
Any service provider that doesn't do so shouldn't be trustedand you should deal with them with extreme caution. Even unlicensed service providers may ask you to verify your identity and there is nothing you can do about it but to comply.

Maybe he's talking about before since this KYC is not necessarily needed but time change when crypto became big and government institution notice some business running using this and now every reputable or old platforms need to conduct this requirements to their users. I guess there's no problem about it as long as the casino is reputable and have strong community that supports it.

I agree if the casino doesn't support then nothing will happen when getting started with crypto KYC, it's also important to consider what resources or tools you can use to streamline or automate your processes. While most casino exchanges require KYC there are some platforms that do not require such verification. It is important to be aware of any potential risks associated with these casino platforms without doing KYC, as they may not have the same security and regulatory standards as other exchanges. If crypto becomes big then be willing to adapt your approach as the technology evolves.

[Maslate]

it is an dishonest behaviour and can also be said to be a breach of an agreement.

Might be honest, but I doubt it will link to a breach of agreement. You know that gambling sites are very smart; they would always ensure that the TOS are always in their favor, so I don't think they will put themselves in a situation that will attract lawsuits. Now it will boils down to the debate of reputation as there are gambling sites that operate legally at yet they don't have a good reputation.

[pawel7777]

Lately  I have seen this trending and if actually any casino does this, it is an dishonest behaviour and can also be said to be a breach of an agreement. I have also seen Stake heavily linked to this behaviour but I never saw a thread that they (Stake), clarified themselves on this.

Have Stake really changed their ToS without informing their players and used such changes to deny any withdrawals?
I find it hard to believe as Stake appears to be quite caring about being law compliant, and such practices would be illegal in vast majority of civilised countries.
It probably wasn't a breach of agreement if they had a standard clause allowing themselves to make any changes without any notice. But they could be in compliance with the agreement but still break a law, as those are two different things.

[danadc]

Lately  I have seen this trending and if actually any casino does this, it is an dishonest behaviour and can also be said to be a breach of an agreement. I have also seen Stake heavily linked to this behaviour but I never saw a thread that they (Stake), clarified themselves on this.

Have Stake really changed their ToS without informing their players and used such changes to deny any withdrawals?
I find it hard to believe as Stake appears to be quite caring about being law compliant, and such practices would be illegal in vast majority of civilised countries.
It probably wasn't a breach of agreement if they had a standard clause allowing themselves to make any changes without any notice. But they could be in compliance with the agreement but still break a law, as those are two different things.

Some time ago I had made a dinner at stake.com, because it seemed incredible to me because everyone speaks highly of this casino, I started to play and it didn't seem bad to me , but I did receive a notification by email that they were going to make some changes and that they had everything to read, after I entered my account after a while they put the contract and I had to accept the last thing, and it's not a bad thing, things went very well, I didn't see anything strange so that they were going to harm some user or that they had an advantage over us , everything seemed normal to me, in fact I don't really know what they changed, I saw everything very well and Legal.

[tusandii]

We recently had the in the stake thread.
They are changing their terms all the time without notifying anybody, that's really a bad way to communicate with your customers. Also it is dangerous for us, since unknowingly we can violate some rules that have been implemented recently which results in an investigation and/or bad in the worst scenario.

On other fiat site I played in the past every change of terms was communicated with the players and had to be agreed on if you want to continue playing there. That's how it is supposed to be and any place that isn't doing it can't be trusted 100% unfortunately.

Do you have a gambling account in Stake?
I want to speak not because I joined their campaign but because based on some of the facts that I experienced.
Stake did change some of their rules or conditions but there is a notification via email message and also when you enter the site there will be a notification that some of the rules have been changed and in the notification it is clearly written to agree to all the changes.

If you have an account and have been playing for a long time on the Stake site then I'm sure you will find or experience the same thing as me.

The last time I saw, there was a ToS change in Stake and it was notified to all members through a window that would appear when the user logged in to their gambling account so that they could know if there was a ToS change. Some other casinos also notify their members if there is a change in the ToS and maybe they will notify it via email because I've seen that notification come to my email. And it is the responsibility of each member to ensure that there is or is not a change in the casino ToS and they can ask the support service if they don't understand or want to know if there is a change in the ToS.

Now that's what actually happened, the Stake team has also given notification to all existing customers when there is a change in the rules or their Tos, so it's not quite right if someone says that Stake doesn't notify anyone of changes to the Tos, because it's clear on the initial page when entering there is also request for approval of the change.
Everything depends on us as customers whether to agree to it or not but what is clear is that the changes made by Stake are also for the common good and the operational continuity of the gambling site itself so that we as customers must accept any changes that exist.

I have been playing with Stake for a long time and every provision or Tos that has been changed has always been notified so that I can always understand these changes.

[LUCKMCFLY]

We recently had the in the stake thread.
They are changing their terms all the time without notifying anybody, that's really a bad way to communicate with your customers. Also it is dangerous for us, since unknowingly we can violate some rules that have been implemented recently which results in an investigation and/or bad in the worst scenario.

On other fiat site I played in the past every change of terms was communicated with the players and had to be agreed on if you want to continue playing there. That's how it is supposed to be and any place that isn't doing it can't be trusted 100% unfortunately.

Do you have a gambling account in Stake?
I want to speak not because I joined their campaign but because based on some of the facts that I experienced.
Stake did change some of their rules or conditions but there is a notification via email message and also when you enter the site there will be a notification that some of the rules have been changed and in the notification it is clearly written to agree to all the changes.

If you have an account and have been playing for a long time on the Stake site then I'm sure you will find or experience the same thing as me.

The last time I saw, there was a ToS change in Stake and it was notified to all members through a window that would appear when the user logged in to their gambling account so that they could know if there was a ToS change. Some other casinos also notify their members if there is a change in the ToS and maybe they will notify it via email because I've seen that notification come to my email. And it is the responsibility of each member to ensure that there is or is not a change in the casino ToS and they can ask the support service if they don't understand or want to know if there is a change in the ToS.

Now that's what actually happened, the Stake team has also given notification to all existing customers when there is a change in the rules or their Tos, so it's not quite right if someone says that Stake doesn't notify anyone of changes to the Tos, because it's clear on the initial page when entering there is also request for approval of the change.
Everything depends on us as customers whether to agree to it or not but what is clear is that the changes made by Stake are also for the common good and the operational continuity of the gambling site itself so that we as customers must accept any changes that exist.

I have been playing with Stake for a long time and every provision or Tos that has been changed has always been notified so that I can always understand these changes.

It is like this , I remember very well when everyone was notified that the coughs were going to change, and in part, it seemed to me something normal in every casino , I did not see anything strange or Strange, or Suspicious , generally in stake.co They do things in a very transparent way and that everyone can see that there is nothing hidden.

Now, I know that there are sites that change their Tos without saying anything, or much less notify the players, and that is without a doubt a clear violation of the player's rights, and it is not something that looks very good or correct, of course In fact ,these types of things are totally reportable and the casino can receive a harsh sanction, because that is not done, in the particular case that it is done because a user or several users are earning a lot and things can change thanks to that, well it is something that is not right.

I have seen some casinos there, that have messed with affiliate marketing, and that the profits they had there no longer go completely to the Players but also to the casino , and I don't know very well if that movie could not be made So by the casino in favor of the casino, obviously those movements are the ones that harm the players, because many benefit from the affiliate programs and in fact people obtain passive income thanks to that , now the income is not the same, despite all the work that was done previously, this tells me that it may be a case of violation of the Tos, because the rules change from one day to the next and the people who are doing their recruiting work for the casino , well now they have to do the Double so that they can have the same profits , I also consider that it can be called a violation of the Coughs.


Of course, those things that are so simple for a casino but so significant for a player are not liked by anyone, because they limit you to win, in fact if you were earning with passive income there, they will no longer be the same, for me as far as In particular , behavior like this will make me leave the casino and not be there anymore , because in any case , I can't delete that facility or that program and that's it.

[Rabata]

Changing of terms and conditions without notifying the users or gamblers is normal with online gambling websites? Then when you did something wrong or about to withdraw your money they will tell you that you don't read their terms and conditions, and you start arguing with them until you decide to read the ToS again and you find out that it's different.

Gambling websites reserve the right to change their terms and conditions at any time but must notify all their customers on their behalf. Otherwise, they must act outside the rules. This will make them suspect that they are not really being honest with any gambler. If anyone conducts their gambling on a fake or scam site then they are responsible for it and they are sure to lose their money. So before gambling must choose a good site otherwise one may get scammed.

[delfastTions]

Changing of terms and conditions without notifying the users or gamblers is normal with online gambling websites? Then when you did something wrong or about to withdraw your money they will tell you that you don't read their terms and conditions, and you start arguing with them until you decide to read the ToS again and you find out that it's different.

Gambling websites reserve the right to change their terms and conditions at any time but must notify all their customers on their behalf. Otherwise, they must act outside the rules. This will make them suspect that they are not really being honest with any gambler. If anyone conducts their gambling on a fake or scam site then they are responsible for it and they are sure to lose their money. So before gambling must choose a good site otherwise one may get scammed.

A really sudden change in the rules of a casino, if it is not caused, of course, by force majeure circumstances, should always be perceived by the players of this casino with caution and should be taken as a signal in order to understand the reasons for such changes. 
I believe that serious large casinos should always notify their users of changes to the ToS in advance and with justification for the reasons for such changes. 
Another good reason, of course, is the requirements of the changed local legislation, which the casino cannot but take into account in its work.  But in this case, the notification is made in advance in a planned manner.  And the entry into force of the amended rules for using the casino takes place from some predetermined date. 

So, if a casino suddenly and insufficiently reasonably changes the rules for using their casino, this should always be suspicious.

[Doan9269]

We recently had the in the stake thread.
They are changing their terms all the time without notifying anybody, that's really a bad way to communicate with your customers. Also it is dangerous for us, since unknowingly we can violate some rules that have been implemented recently which results in an investigation and/or bad in the worst scenario.

On other fiat site I played in the past every change of terms was communicated with the players and had to be agreed on if you want to continue playing there. That's how it is supposed to be and any place that isn't doing it can't be trusted 100% unfortunately.

Do you have a gambling account in Stake?
I want to speak not because I joined their campaign but because based on some of the facts that I experienced.
Stake did change some of their rules or conditions but there is a notification via email message and also when you enter the site there will be a notification that some of the rules have been changed and in the notification it is clearly written to agree to all the changes.

If you have an account and have been playing for a long time on the Stake site then I'm sure you will find or experience the same thing as me.

The last time I saw, there was a ToS change in Stake and it was notified to all members through a window that would appear when the user logged in to their gambling account so that they could know if there was a ToS change. Some other casinos also notify their members if there is a change in the ToS and maybe they will notify it via email because I've seen that notification come to my email. And it is the responsibility of each member to ensure that there is or is not a change in the casino ToS and they can ask the support service if they don't understand or want to know if there is a change in the ToS.

Casinos don't use their ToS against their users, i will better advise that gamblers should always take heed to whatever requirements is needed from these casinos and they should make provisions for it, ToS are prone to review in which most of the users always got notified by their platforms on possible changes they may encounter along the line, this is not intended to abise the user's right but to reshape their policies and make them offer the best they have to give out to gamblers, exception are scam or untrusted casinos with no reputation, it's always important to make research on them before using any gambling platform.

[ethereumhunter]

That is the simplest thing to do. But what happens is that some gamblers are so addicted to one casino because of their vip status, the  bonuses or the reputation of the company. So, they do no find it comfortable leaving the casino.

When someone has made it to the VIP level, there is usually a feeling of not wanting or being uncomfortable leaving the casino because they have made it to that VIP level. If they move to another casino, they will have to fight again from the bottom and it will require a lot of money to reach the VIP level in that casino. But the casino is not going to use its TOS against its users but the casino is showing that its users should be able to follow its rules and not try to break them.

Now that's what actually happened, the Stake team has also given notification to all existing customers when there is a change in the rules or their Tos, so it's not quite right if someone says that Stake doesn't notify anyone of changes to the Tos, because it's clear on the initial page when entering there is also request for approval of the change.
Everything depends on us as customers whether to agree to it or not but what is clear is that the changes made by Stake are also for the common good and the operational continuity of the gambling site itself so that we as customers must accept any changes that exist.

I have been playing with Stake for a long time and every provision or Tos that has been changed has always been notified so that I can always understand these changes.

That's right. Stake has notified all its users who log in to their gambling accounts via the notification they will see. But it is also up to each user to take the time to look at the changes in the rules so they can understand them and stay abreast of the new rules. All users are responsible for making sure they are aware of any changes. The casino must also notify if there is a change in the rules so that there is no accusation that the casino is using the change in the rules to deceive its users.

Casinos don't use their ToS against their users, i will better advise that gamblers should always take heed to whatever requirements is needed from these casinos and they should make provisions for it, ToS are prone to review in which most of the users always got notified by their platforms on possible changes they may encounter along the line, this is not intended to abise the user's right but to reshape their policies and make them offer the best they have to give out to gamblers, exception are scam or untrusted casinos with no reputation, it's always important to make research on them before using any gambling platform.

Agreeing to the rules or TOS of the casino is the user's responsibility because they have the option to keep using the casino even if the casino changes its rules one day. And if they object to the changing casino rules, they can move to another casino and the previous casino will surely allow them to move. We, as users, also have to be wise in dealing with regulations that might change again at the casino so that we can decide to keep using the casino or move to another casino. Don't feel forced to stay in the casino after it changes its rules, as plenty of other casinos may suit what they want.

[Zoomic]

it is an dishonest behaviour and can also be said to be a breach of an agreement.

Might be honest, but I doubt it will link to a breach of agreement. You know that gambling sites are very smart; they would always ensure that the TOS are always in their favor, so I don't think they will put themselves in a situation that will attract lawsuits. Now it will boils down to the debate of reputation as there are gambling sites that operate legally at yet they don't have a good reputation.

I know that casinos are smart and they will not put themselves in a situation that will endanger their activities in the eyes of the law. Are you suggesting that casinos will have a clause such as this in their ToS; The company is liable to change any of the above Terms of Service at any time even without the consent of their customers. If there be a clause like this, it therefore means that the casinos are free to change their terms of service at their discretion.

Lately  I have seen this trending and if actually any casino does this, it is an dishonest behaviour and can also be said to be a breach of an agreement. I have also seen Stake heavily linked to this behaviour but I never saw a thread that they (Stake), clarified themselves on this.

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Some time ago I had made a dinner at stake.com, because it seemed incredible to me because everyone speaks highly of this casino, I started to play and it didn't seem bad to me , but I did receive a notification by email that they were going to make some changes and that they had everything to read, after I entered my account after a while they put the contract and I had to accept the last thing,

Nice to hear from you, if they (Stake), sent a notification to you via email and you later logged in and confirmed the change. It therefore means that they are not being fraudulent. When stories like this come up, many people always manufacture different versions of stories.

[Maslate]

it is an dishonest behaviour and can also be said to be a breach of an agreement.

Might be honest, but I doubt it will link to a breach of agreement. You know that gambling sites are very smart; they would always ensure that the TOS are always in their favor, so I don't think they will put themselves in a situation that will attract lawsuits. Now it will boils down to the debate of reputation as there are gambling sites that operate legally at yet they don't have a good reputation.

I know that casinos are smart and they will not put themselves in a situation that will endanger their activities in the eyes of the law. Are you suggesting that casinos will have a clause such as this in their ToS; The company is liable to change any of the above Terms of Service at any time even without the consent of their customers. If there be a clause like this, it therefore means that the casinos are free to change their terms of service at their discretion.

Liable is not the right term; it should be 'reserves the right to change any of the above terms...'. However, a regulated casino can only change its terms if it's lawful or would not violate the guidelines of a license provider. Therefore, there's nothing to worry about because as long as it's legal, it's usually right.

[dezoel]

The last time I saw, there was a ToS change in Stake and it was notified to all members through a window that would appear when the user logged in to their gambling account so that they could know if there was a ToS change. Some other casinos also notify their members if there is a change in the ToS and maybe they will notify it via email because I've seen that notification come to my email. And it is the responsibility of each member to ensure that there is or is not a change in the casino ToS and they can ask the support service if they don't understand or want to know if there is a change in the ToS.

That's great. It only shows that these casinos are fair and they are afraid to get blamed once the user experience a problem just because they didn't noticed the change in TOS. Some customers might missed their emails or they are not a fan of checking it, so having a notification right after we login is a good one. Then there are costumers who play rarely but can check their emails so having the changes being emailed is also a good one.

Casino can do both and if possible maybe they can also send it through sms. Maybe some terms are not clear or hard to understand for us who are slow so indeed that we should make it a habit to ask than get in trouble. 

[Hamphser]

The last time I saw, there was a ToS change in Stake and it was notified to all members through a window that would appear when the user logged in to their gambling account so that they could know if there was a ToS change. Some other casinos also notify their members if there is a change in the ToS and maybe they will notify it via email because I've seen that notification come to my email. And it is the responsibility of each member to ensure that there is or is not a change in the casino ToS and they can ask the support service if they don't understand or want to know if there is a change in the ToS.

That's great. It only shows that these casinos are fair and they are afraid to get blamed once the user experience a problem just because they didn't noticed the change in TOS. Some customers might missed their emails or they are not a fan of checking it, so having a notification right after we login is a good one. Then there are costumers who play rarely but can check their emails so having the changes being emailed is also a good one.

Casino can do both and if possible maybe they can also send it through sms. Maybe some terms are not clear or hard to understand for us who are slow so indeed that we should make it a habit to ask than get in trouble. 

Thats a good gesture to be done by a casino and its not shocking for Stake to do so, considering that they are one of the most popular and old time running casino that we do have on which it is really just that right

that they would really be doing things to be transparent as much as possible on which this is the community do prefer and like the most.This is why it would really be just that wise that you should really be trusting and sticking with these kind of platforms which we do see that transparency and fairness is there. We know that issues and violations could really be possibly be applied on these sudden terms and conditions changes on which if this one is really happening on a casino which it isnt fair and legit then they would really be making out some possible excuses in this regard which it do really sucks if this one happens.

This should really be that standard and also i do prefer on having that pop out thing about those changes rather than on sending it on email since not all would really be having the time
on visiting out their emails on day to day basis on which this would be most likely be skipped out.

[serjent05]

The last time I saw, there was a ToS change in Stake and it was notified to all members through a window that would appear when the user logged in to their gambling account so that they could know if there was a ToS change. Some other casinos also notify their members if there is a change in the ToS and maybe they will notify it via email because I've seen that notification come to my email. And it is the responsibility of each member to ensure that there is or is not a change in the casino ToS and they can ask the support service if they don't understand or want to know if there is a change in the ToS.

That's great. It only shows that these casinos are fair and they are afraid to get blamed once the user experience a problem just because they didn't noticed the change in TOS. Some customers might missed their emails or they are not a fan of checking it, so having a notification right after we login is a good one. Then there are costumers who play rarely but can check their emails so having the changes being emailed is also a good one.

That process is the standard operating procedure.  If any changes is done on the Terms of Service then it should be announced to all users.  Sadly not all casino does that.  They undermine the rights of their player by just implementing changes without notifying their users.  This often result in confusion and at the same time a lose to the users.  Although users have the responsibility to update themselves but they have the right to be notified if changes is about to happen.

Casino can do both and if possible maybe they can also send it through sms. Maybe some terms are not clear or hard to understand for us who are slow so indeed that we should make it a habit to ask than get in trouble. 

If in case there are terms hard to understand, we can always ask customer support how that term works.  I bet they will gladly explain that term to us.

[libert19]

If I have to put my money somewhere and that site says something along the lines, 'We can change terms at our will, you may not be notified, it's your responsibility to check for updates in terms regularly" — I'll get outta there.

[danadc]

If I have to put my money somewhere and that site says something along the lines, 'We can change terms at our will, you may not be notified, it's your responsibility to check for updates in terms regularly" — I'll get outta there.

It's the best right? The only thing is that sometimes I don't realize these things, because normally if I enter a casino I look for my favorite game and start playing, I never or almost never go to the home page to verify, but this is a bad habit that I must Change for my own good, in the event that this happens to me with a casino, I immediately look to see if I have enough money to withdraw it and I go there, the bad thing is that if I have not been able to do my KYC that could take a while and they take me with the new rules or Terms and Conditions, it does not seem to me that a casino does these things, because it is not playing fair , it is Playing badly , to harm the person , it is as you say , better go.

[Ever-young]

Some gambling websites consist of wicked owners that willingly plan to defraud their users using the ToS against them, or is this normal? Have such happened to anyone on this forum before?

Most scam Casino out their main earning is from scamming users from their huge deposit or winning using their ToS as a right to confiscate users funds. And most gamblers falls victim to this as a result of always not making it necessary to read the ToS, only very few gambles will boldly say they fine out the time to actually read through Casino rules.

I haven't been a victim to such scam but I have come across friends which have, and in some situation it happens that the ToS are being changed or amended just either some days to when they got a target victim, or when they have already freeze someone's account, then they can Edit the ToS since it might not be easily identified as edited.

[ethereumhunter]

That's great. It only shows that these casinos are fair and they are afraid to get blamed once the user experience a problem just because they didn't noticed the change in TOS. Some customers might missed their emails or they are not a fan of checking it, so having a notification right after we login is a good one. Then there are costumers who play rarely but can check their emails so having the changes being emailed is also a good one.

Casino can do both and if possible maybe they can also send it through sms. Maybe some terms are not clear or hard to understand for us who are slow so indeed that we should make it a habit to ask than get in trouble. 

We should also check emails frequently to check if there are any changes to the casino rules so we can find out immediately. But some customers need to check the rules first and go directly to their account to deposit some money and start playing. But when there is a problem, they think that the casino has turned into a scam casino even though it is their own fault that they did not check there was a change in the rules in the casino.

I think the casino has notified it via email or even created a window that automatically appears when the user logs in to his gambling account. They should already understand that there has been a change in the rules at the casino so they have to check first and read all the rules before depositing their money. But that's up to each person and we also can't force them to read the changes in the rules.

[piebeyb]

I think the casino has notified it via email or even created a window that automatically appears when the user logs in to his gambling account. They should already understand that there has been a change in the rules at the casino so they have to check first and read all the rules before depositing their money. But that's up to each person and we also can't force them to read the changes in the rules.

So far playing at a big casino I always get notifications via email and notifications on the website about updates to terms or TOS, that's why to double check any updates that come via email, most gamblers don't use their email very actively so they sometimes skip the updates that have been given via email. e-mail. obviously it's very important

Apart from gambling, I am still actively using email, so if there is any information I know about updating the rules or requirements from the casino, maybe some small casinos can change the rules without telling their users to cheat, that is where the trust of users should play in big and trusted casinos too. good reputation in this forum. For starters, don't hesitate to ask anything about a casino that has a good reputation here. because the casino will maintain its reputation by providing the best service for its users and not trying to cheat in terms of changing the TOS or other regulations without the user knowing.

[Blitzboy]

That's great. It only shows that these casinos are fair and they are afraid to get blamed once the user experience a problem just because they didn't noticed the change in TOS. Some customers might missed their emails or they are not a fan of checking it, so having a notification right after we login is a good one. Then there are costumers who play rarely but can check their emails so having the changes being emailed is also a good one.

Casino can do both and if possible maybe they can also send it through sms. Maybe some terms are not clear or hard to understand for us who are slow so indeed that we should make it a habit to ask than get in trouble. 

We should also check emails frequently to check if there are any changes to the casino rules so we can find out immediately. But some customers need to check the rules first and go directly to their account to deposit some money and start playing. But when there is a problem, they think that the casino has turned into a scam casino even though it is their own fault that they did not check there was a change in the rules in the casino.

I think the casino has notified it via email or even created a window that automatically appears when the user logs in to his gambling account. They should already understand that there has been a change in the rules at the casino so they have to check first and read all the rules before depositing their money. But that's up to each person and we also can't force them to read the changes in the rules.

Anyone committing their hard-earned money to ANY online platform, be it casinos, stock trading platforms, or e-commerce sites, ought to be doing their due diligence. Its not merely about checking emails, but actively looking for any red flags. Seriously, if someone just rushes into depositing money without even spending a minute understanding the updated rules, then they have no right to complain post facto.

The casino, like any other legitimate business, has every incentive to ensure that its users are well-informed. The last thing they need is an army of disgruntled users! But come on, if they're notifying you via email, or even going so far as to display notifications upon login, and you still neglect it, then the blame squarely falls on YOU.

Economically speaking, its basic information asymmetry. If you're not keeping yourself informed, you're setting yourself up for a loss

[panjul07]

If I have to put my money somewhere and that site says something along the lines, 'We can change terms at our will, you may not be notified, it's your responsibility to check for updates in terms regularly" — I'll get outta there.

Unfortunately most casinos has the term that they reserve the right to change their terms anytime and most of them also did not notify their players about the change.
Even if they notify their players, most casinos will only say that they have updated their terms but they did not give clear clue about what is being updated.
Stake for example, they updated their terms some time ago and they notify players about it but most players do not really know what is new in the terms.

[Coin_trader]

If I have to put my money somewhere and that site says something along the lines, 'We can change terms at our will, you may not be notified, it's your responsibility to check for updates in terms regularly" — I'll get outta there.

The only casino that I know that notifies player every ToS is Stake.com and the update will be popup when you login. I don’t know if others do the same but I don’t receive any email regarding change of ToS on any of my casino account for my 7 years of crypto casino experience.

Casino usually update their ToS but the case of this thread is very rare to happened which the update is to use against its customers. Casino that do this kind of cheat are those who don’t have any reputation to protect.

[Odusko]

If I have to put my money somewhere and that site says something along the lines, 'We can change terms at our will, you may not be notified, it's your responsibility to check for updates in terms regularly" — I'll get outta there.

Most times,  those shady casinos that change their terms and conditions of service at will are all targeting and selectively scamming their customers and most time you ain't have the ability to get out and even if you want you may end up losing your balance in the casino since they will make sure that they twist the terms and conditions when you already deposited and won a good amount.
It is best to only play on already known casinos with good reputations instead of risking your money with scam casinos,  most of the casinos that do this are also good at locking players' accounts without any notification and seeking clarification and redress is always almost impossible.

[ethereumhunter]

So far playing at a big casino I always get notifications via email and notifications on the website about updates to terms or TOS, that's why to double check any updates that come via email, most gamblers don't use their email very actively so they sometimes skip the updates that have been given via email. e-mail. obviously it's very important

Apart from gambling, I am still actively using email, so if there is any information I know about updating the rules or requirements from the casino, maybe some small casinos can change the rules without telling their users to cheat, that is where the trust of users should play in big and trusted casinos too. good reputation in this forum. For starters, don't hesitate to ask anything about a casino that has a good reputation here. because the casino will maintain its reputation by providing the best service for its users and not trying to cheat in terms of changing the TOS or other regulations without the user knowing.

By always checking e-mail or gambling accounts, we will always know if there is a notification from the casino notifying any changes in the casino. And you should always choose a big and trusted casino to avoid cheating by changing rules that the casino doesn't notify.

I agree with you not to hesitate to ask what casinos are trusted and have a reputation on this forum because there are sure to be many members who will give their advice. But still, they have to try one by one from the list of casinos provided by members here to find the casino they are looking for. Playing gambling is about the comfort and convenience of each member, of course, it will be different.

Anyone committing their hard-earned money to ANY online platform, be it casinos, stock trading platforms, or e-commerce sites, ought to be doing their due diligence. Its not merely about checking emails, but actively looking for any red flags. Seriously, if someone just rushes into depositing money without even spending a minute understanding the updated rules, then they have no right to complain post facto.

The casino, like any other legitimate business, has every incentive to ensure that its users are well-informed. The last thing they need is an army of disgruntled users! But come on, if they're notifying you via email, or even going so far as to display notifications upon login, and you still neglect it, then the blame squarely falls on YOU.

Economically speaking, its basic information asymmetry. If you're not keeping yourself informed, you're setting yourself up for a loss

In this case, we must be wise gamblers who only deposit money after checking the applicable wagering requirements to avoid unwanted cases. And you have given things to do to avoid it and if they are new people who want to play gambling, they have to do it so they don't get into trouble.

The casino will notify all of its members if there is a change in the rules at their casino. Only a shady casino will look for many reasons not to tell of a change in the rules at their casino because the casino really wants to cheat and take its members' money by cheating. So be careful when you want to deposit money at the casino.

[slapper]

If I have to put my money somewhere and that site says something along the lines, 'We can change terms at our will, you may not be notified, it's your responsibility to check for updates in terms regularly" — I'll get outta there.

Most times,  those shady casinos that change their terms and conditions of service at will are all targeting and selectively scamming their customers and most time you ain't have the ability to get out and even if you want you may end up losing your balance in the casino since they will make sure that they twist the terms and conditions when you already deposited and won a good amount.
It is best to only play on already known casinos with good reputations instead of risking your money with scam casinos,  most of the casinos that do this are also good at locking players' accounts without any notification and seeking clarification and redress is always almost impossible.

I cannot emphasize this more. These cunning casinos believe they can get away with cheating us easily. Changing the rules when it's convenient for them? Outrageous! You invest your hard-earned money, perhaps even succeed in winning a sizable sum, and then... wham! The goals are altered

Anyone who is reading this, look: Just play at reputable casinos. those who have a solid reputation. Why? since they respect you as a player and won't deceive you. You have a higher chance of competing fairly

Locking out players is also disgusting. But it does occur. A lot. Avoid such sketchy areas if you don't want to wake up with a locked account and a regret-filled heart. Keep with those we are familiar with and can rely on

[Negotiation]

Some gambling websites consist of wicked owners that willingly plan to defraud their users using the ToS against them, or is this normal? Have such happened to anyone on this forum before?

Most scam Casino out their main earning is from scamming users from their huge deposit or winning using their ToS as a right to confiscate users funds. And most gamblers falls victim to this as a result of always not making it necessary to read the ToS, only very few gambles will boldly say they fine out the time to actually read through Casino rules.

I haven't been a victim to such scam but I have come across friends which have, and in some situation it happens that the ToS are being changed or amended just either some days to when they got a target victim, or when they have already freeze someone's account, then they can Edit the ToS since it might not be easily identified as edited.

I think the reason they fall under the scam is because the sites are not analyzed well. It is normal to use ToS but the gamblers have to check properly they fall into the trap of cheating with various information. A gambling friend of mine fell into the trap of such fraud. Therefore before checking the casino further. We do an investigation on a few key points that show us whether the casino is trustworthy or not. By doing proper research therefore as a player you can be sure that your money and winnings are safe by avoiding these casinos.

[delfastTions]

So far playing at a big casino I always get notifications via email and notifications on the website about updates to terms or TOS, that's why to double check any updates that come via email, most gamblers don't use their email very actively so they sometimes skip the updates that have been given via email. e-mail. obviously it's very important

Apart from gambling, I am still actively using email, so if there is any information I know about updating the rules or requirements from the casino, maybe some small casinos can change the rules without telling their users to cheat, that is where the trust of users should play in big and trusted casinos too. good reputation in this forum. For starters, don't hesitate to ask anything about a casino that has a good reputation here. because the casino will maintain its reputation by providing the best service for its users and not trying to cheat in terms of changing the TOS or other regulations without the user knowing.

By always checking e-mail or gambling accounts, we will always know if there is a notification from the casino notifying any changes in the casino. And you should always choose a big and trusted casino to avoid cheating by changing rules that the casino doesn't notify.

I agree with you not to hesitate to ask what casinos are trusted and have a reputation on this forum because there are sure to be many members who will give their advice. But still, they have to try one by one from the list of casinos provided by members here to find the casino they are looking for. Playing gambling is about the comfort and convenience of each member, of course, it will be different.

Changes in the rules of the game in any casino in its ToS can occur for two main reasons. 
Firstly, these are the changes that the casino is forced to make due to the requirements of the changed local legislation in the financial sector or in the gambling industry. 
Secondly, changes in the rules may be caused by the desire of the casino to maximize its profits and for this somehow tighten or loosen the requirements for placing and withdrawing certain amounts on customer deposits.  But it is obvious that in both the first and second cases, the responsible large casino always notifies its players of such changes in advance by e-mail. 
So of course you should always read such messages and watch out if they accidentally end up in spam.

Anyone committing their hard-earned money to ANY online platform, be it casinos, stock trading platforms, or e-commerce sites, ought to be doing their due diligence. Its not merely about checking emails, but actively looking for any red flags. Seriously, if someone just rushes into depositing money without even spending a minute understanding the updated rules, then they have no right to complain post facto.

The casino, like any other legitimate business, has every incentive to ensure that its users are well-informed. The last thing they need is an army of disgruntled users! But come on, if they're notifying you via email, or even going so far as to display notifications upon login, and you still neglect it, then the blame squarely falls on YOU.

Economically speaking, its basic information asymmetry. If you're not keeping yourself informed, you're setting yourself up for a loss

In this case, we must be wise gamblers who only deposit money after checking the applicable wagering requirements to avoid unwanted cases. And you have given things to do to avoid it and if they are new people who want to play gambling, they have to do it so they don't get into trouble.

The casino will notify all of its members if there is a change in the rules at their casino. Only a shady casino will look for many reasons not to tell of a change in the rules at their cssino because the casino really wants to cheat and take its members' money by cheating. So be careful when you want to deposit money at the casino.

I think that such advice does not always work as it should with players who come to play in a completely new casino for themselves. 
Unfortunately, during the game in a particular casino new to the player, situations often arise that the player did not know anything about and which he encountered only in a real game. 
Usually, of course, these are questions related to withdrawing money to your wallet in the event of a large or even mebium-sized win in the case when the player is suddenly lucky.  Usually in such situations, problems may arise, the solution of which has to be discussed with the support services of these casinos.  This is of course unpleasant and takes up extra time from you and often even makes you very nervous. 
But, unfortunately, it is a reality that it makes no sense to ignore.

[Ever-young]

I think the reason they fall under the scam is because the sites are not analyzed well. It is normal to use ToS but the gamblers have to check properly they fall into the trap of cheating with various information.

Not always mate, their are times where one will follow up all the do(s) and don't of a Casino and still fall into the trap of the Casino freezing the gamblers funds, most times this is all depends on the casino's reputation, their are those who are just their making unecessary excuse to why they don't want to pay a particular gambler when looking at those excuse the gambler appears to be free from any form of cheating, but the Casino won't still credit them of their winnings. The part following the ToS and not following help user alot in determining how free they can be when it comes to what they can be accused of or not.

[CarnagexD]

If I have to put my money somewhere and that site says something along the lines, 'We can change terms at our will, you may not be notified, it's your responsibility to check for updates in terms regularly" — I'll get outta there.

The only casino that I know that notifies player every ToS is Stake.com and the update will be popup when you login. I don’t know if others do the same but I don’t receive any email regarding change of ToS on any of my casino account for my 7 years of crypto casino experience.

Casino usually update their ToS but the case of this thread is very rare to happened which the update is to use against its customers. Casino that do this kind of cheat are those who don’t have any reputation to protect.

It's like saying, if there's anything happen or if there's anything changes on the website without you knowing, then it will be your problem. Well that's reasonable but it is also the website tipping their hands telling you that they don't want to be accountable with your account even though you let them handle your funds or invested money. You cannot say that these websites where cheating but it only lessens their credibility.

[Docnaster]

If I have to put my money somewhere and that site says something along the lines, 'We can change terms at our will, you may not be notified, it's your responsibility to check for updates in terms regularly" — I'll get outta there.

Straight out because there is a red flag already, anyone betting there is doing so at their own detriment.  But then no casino and even the dishonest ones will be bold enough to make such statement. Such a statement will scare people away from the site unless for people who do not bother to read ToS before using the site. The ToS side of every website is strictly the legal part of the project and should be treated as that. Changing the ToS without the consent of the customers is tantamount to rewriting a written agreement without the knowledge of one party and yet still having their signatory there.

[SamReomo]

If I have to put my money somewhere and that site says something along the lines, 'We can change terms at our will, you may not be notified, it's your responsibility to check for updates in terms regularly" — I'll get outta there.

Casino usually update their ToS but the case of this thread is very rare to happened which the update is to use against its customers. Casino that do this kind of cheat are those who don’t have any reputation to protect.

I think any shady casino will force the users to agree with the ToS even if they are against the will or you can say against the rights of the users. The casinos that update their ToS without the knowledge of its users is somehow doing cheating with the users because the new conditions can be really tricky and most of the users may not even know about the updated ToS because only few people read ToS after initial agreement.

[Slow death]

If I have to put my money somewhere and that site says something along the lines, 'We can change terms at our will, you may not be notified, it's your responsibility to check for updates in terms regularly" — I'll get outta there.

most casinos and if i am not wrong i can even say that more than 70% of casinos in their TOS they say that they reserve the right to change any part of their TOS or even the whole TOS without prior notice, of course in terms ethical and legal this is not a good practice, but even so some or most of the casinos have done this, if we look at the TOS of paypal or ebay which are big companies they when they change their TOS send an email advising that in a few weeks it will enter A new part of the TOS is in force and they show that same part in which it will come into force and tell the customer that in case of not agreeing, the customer is free to no longer use paypal or ebay services

In my country, companies also do this, they notify customers 30 days in advance and ask customers to read carefully the part where it will be changed and in case the customer does not agree with that change, then the customer is free to choose another company, this is something ethical and legally acceptable. but what you see in the crypto world is something that shows that there is no legal department in crypto companies or in many casinos, what I have concluded is that people get years of experience coding and then create a casino but they are not interested and know more about the legal part and because of that we see these bad behaviors

[tusandii]

If I have to put my money somewhere and that site says something along the lines, 'We can change terms at our will, you may not be notified, it's your responsibility to check for updates in terms regularly" — I'll get outta there.

Straight out because there is a red flag already, anyone betting there is doing so at their own detriment.  But then no casino and even the dishonest ones will be bold enough to make such statement. Such a statement will scare people away from the site unless for people who do not bother to read ToS before using the site. The ToS side of every website is strictly the legal part of the project and should be treated as that. Changing the ToS without the consent of the customers is tantamount to rewriting a written agreement without the knowledge of one party and yet still having their signatory there.

I agree with you and any casino that has the goal of developing to be able to compete to become one of the best casinos, they will never dare to issue a response or statement like that because it can make customers disappointed and leave the casino so instead and can go bankrupt because it is considered a shady casino and dishonest to all customers.
But it's different from casinos, which really aim to build a business to make it bigger and more popular, so they will notify all customers every time there is an update, either for TOS or other information.
So far I have never known or seen a casino change its TOS without the approval of a customer and almost all the casinos I have used always provide information regarding updates to seek approval from every existing customer.

[dwyane36]

but what you see in the crypto world is something that shows that there is no legal department in crypto companies or in many casinos, what I have concluded is that people get years of experience coding and then create a casino but they are not interested and know more about the legal part and because of that we see these bad behaviors

There is no single standard for crypto regulation, and each jurisdiction may have different rules. So it seems to me that the legal aspects are just a formality for most crypto projects, especially for gambling projects. For example, freebitcoin successfully operated for 10 years without ToS and any other legal information. In fact, they had only a three-line rule, and that's it. However, it's worth noting that they recently decided to add a full-fledged ToS, but as I already said, it's only a formal thing as nothing has changed for its users.

[ethereumhunter]

Changes in the rules of the game in any casino in its ToS can occur for two main reasons. 
Firstly, these are the changes that the casino is forced to make due to the requirements of the changed local legislation in the financial sector or in the gambling industry. 
Secondly, changes in the rules may be caused by the desire of the casino to maximize its profits and for this somehow tighten or loosen the requirements for placing and withdrawing certain amounts on customer deposits.  But it is obvious that in both the first and second cases, the responsible large casino always notifies its players of such changes in advance by e-mail. 
So of course you should always read such messages and watch out if they accidentally end up in spam.

Obviously, casinos adjust government regulations so that they feel the need to change their rules so as not to violate these government regulations. And the casino must inform all its users that they changed their rules because they are following government regulations or directions. And its users must also understand that the casino has no intention of cheating its users, but that's because the casino doesn't want to violate government regulations. Big casinos will be responsible for always disclosing anything related to their business so that there are no misunderstandings between the players and the casino.

I think that such advice does not always work as it should with players who come to play in a completely new casino for themselves. 
Unfortunately, during the game in a particular casino new to the player, situations often arise that the player did not know anything about and which he encountered only in a real game. 
Usually, of course, these are questions related to withdrawing money to your wallet in the event of a large or even mebium-sized win in the case when the player is suddenly lucky.  Usually in such situations, problems may arise, the solution of which has to be discussed with the support services of these casinos.  This is of course unpleasant and takes up extra time from you and often even makes you very nervous. 
But, unfortunately, it is a reality that it makes no sense to ignore.

At least the user has to make sure everything is done so that there are no misunderstandings with the casino and the user can remain comfortable playing gambling at the casino. But that is a choice for the users themselves because if they still want to play gambling at the casino, they will follow and obey the rules. But if the users don't want to, they will leave the casino and look for another casino. And we as users also have to ensure that the casino where we play gambling is still comfortable so we don't have to look for another casino.

[LUCKMCFLY]

If I have to put my money somewhere and that site says something along the lines, 'We can change terms at our will, you may not be notified, it's your responsibility to check for updates in terms regularly" — I'll get outta there.

Casino usually update their ToS but the case of this thread is very rare to happened which the update is to use against its customers. Casino that do this kind of cheat are those who don’t have any reputation to protect.

I think any shady casino will force the users to agree with the ToS even if they are against the will or you can say against the rights of the users. The casinos that update their ToS without the knowledge of its users is somehow doing cheating with the users because the new conditions can be really tricky and most of the users may not even know about the updated ToS because only few people read ToS after initial agreement.

I say one thing, whenever we are going to enter a casino they make us sign or accept the initial terms and conditions, but unless it is said in those Tos, that when you enter the platform, the Tos will be changed, that is something else, but in the case that the Tos are changed, each player must be asked to accept the new Tos, that is the most common, the most logical and the most honest, I say that it should be done, there is no ota, in not the chaos, because things would be totally violated, that is what should be, whoever tells me that the Tos are changed at all times for the convenience of the casino, that does not work for me and that is my way of thinking, no I think I'm wrong for thinking like that.

In fact, when we sign any contract, those terms do not fit because that is a violation of the contract, it is a violation of what is contracted, because we as players cannot change things in a casino, because then things get ugly For the player who is even seen as a scammer, then I think things should be totally transparent, because if not, then don't say that they have to accept the Tos, otherwise they're going to Respect it , that doesn't make any kind of Sense to me.

Now, having said these things, I don't Know , it may be that there are people who don't care if they don't care, but in my case I do care, because it's money that is at stake, and the most likely thing is that in Those changes are the one who loses out is the player , it's always like that.

I had seen the case of a casino where they had a good Referral Program , and it has been very successful, but now it turns out that these Tos are combined and people do not earn the same as before, that is, all the work that was previously done is no longer It's no use because obviously people now earn Less, because the casino takes a Percentage from them of what they Earn , so that's not playing fair, it's okay that the casino has the right to win all the time , but not in a such a cheeky way, when you see a Casino like this I don't play or Recommend it.

[Zoomic]

but what you see in the crypto world is something that shows that there is no legal department in crypto companies or in many casinos, what I have concluded is that people get years of experience coding and then create a casino but they are not interested and know more about the legal part and because of that we see these bad behaviors

There is no single standard for crypto regulation, and each jurisdiction may have different rules. So it seems to me that the legal aspects are just a formality for most crypto projects, especially for gambling projects. For example, freebitcoin successfully operated for 10 years without ToS and any other legal information. In fact, they had only a three-line rule, and that's it. However, it's worth noting that they recently decided to add a full-fledged ToS, but as I already said, it's only a formal thing as nothing has changed for its users.

There is a standard for gambling regulation but there is no standard for crypto regulation. Even the gambling regulations differ for jurisdictions. So, as crypto embraced gambling, there are no standard rules in their marriage. Even till today SEC is finding it difficult to differentiate between ordinary token and securities.
Generally the gambling owners and the gamblers are not even interested in the legal part. They only begin to review it when the need arises. But time proceeds, there will be more regulations and clear laws guiding the activities of crypto gambling.

[LUCKMCFLY]

but what you see in the crypto world is something that shows that there is no legal department in crypto companies or in many casinos, what I have concluded is that people get years of experience coding and then create a casino but they are not interested and know more about the legal part and because of that we see these bad behaviors

There is no single standard for crypto regulation, and each jurisdiction may have different rules. So it seems to me that the legal aspects are just a formality for most crypto projects, especially for gambling projects. For example, freebitcoin successfully operated for 10 years without ToS and any other legal information. In fact, they had only a three-line rule, and that's it. However, it's worth noting that they recently decided to add a full-fledged ToS, but as I already said, it's only a formal thing as nothing has changed for its users.

There is a standard for gambling regulation but there is no standard for crypto regulation. Even the gambling regulations differ for jurisdictions. So, as crypto embraced gambling, there are no standard rules in their marriage. Even till today SEC is finding it difficult to differentiate between ordinary token and securities.
Generally the gambling owners and the gamblers are not even interested in the legal part. They only begin to review it when the need arises. But time proceeds, there will be more regulations and clear laws guiding the activities of crypto gambling.

Well, things when it comes to regulation are quite strong because we only see the case of XRP and the victory they had over them, that gives a lot of confidence to cryptocurrencies in general, now the issue with the casinos and their regulations, that depends Wherever they are, I think that these things are what casinos have to pay close attention to where their headquarters are going to be, in addition to the fact that licensing regulations sometimes affect people from countries where they like to play a lot and they cannot play because it turns out that the regulations do not allow some countries to be banned, and that is something I don't like, I don't like that nobody is or has a ban, and everything depends on the governments and those demands that affect others in one way or another .

So apart from these things we should always see that when it comes to casino rules you have to read them and see if that casino really works for us or not, that's something we should consider, but how to tell those novice players ? How to let them know those things that are so necessary and do not take the blows that most of us have taken? Here in the forum one would like to protect people in some way so that they don't get Scammed , so they don't see this about the cainos as something bad, about some things you always have to read , to those who don't like to read, say something like . "If you don't want to lose your money, you should always read" and the Uncles, who are so many, must be read, understood well, because you can read a lot, but if you don't understand things, it's difficult for it to work, despite the demands that that occur in casinos are their own, some rules are their own and others go hand in hand with the country where the casino is Located.

When the casino is in a demanding country, it is difficult for it to change the way things are done, because they have their own rules, and when it comes to governments, it is the spoon that nobody likes, in fact I think that Nobody likes Regulations , or having additional rules imposed upon them once they are Accepted.

[8rch7]

Changing of terms and conditions without notifying the users or gamblers is normal with online gambling websites? Then when you did something wrong or about to withdraw your money they will tell you that you don't read their terms and conditions, and you start arguing with them until you decide to read the ToS again and you find out that it's different.

Some gambling websites consist of wicked owners that willingly plan to defraud their users using the ToS against them, or is this normal? Have such happened to anyone on this forum before?

Have been normal depend with many user complaint about their account freeze or banned permanent, first of term of service from gambling platform website is available withdrawing and deposit fund without KYC, after winning and get jack pot trough fund increasing up above $5,000  will face difficult for withdrawing. All gambling platform suddenly change their term of service from first registering allowed all withdraw and deposit activities without KYC but they change need submit KYC when huge amount withdrawing.
I think need against when gambling platform change suddenly with their term of service actually make difficult for user withdrawing their fund with huge amount.

[delfastTions]

I think that such advice does not always work as it should with players who come to play in a completely new casino for themselves. 
Unfortunately, during the game in a particular casino new to the player, situations often arise that the player did not know anything about and which he encountered only in a real game. 
Usually, of course, these are questions related to withdrawing money to your wallet in the event of a large or even mebium-sized win in the case when the player is suddenly lucky.  Usually in such situations, problems may arise, the solution of which has to be discussed with the support services of these casinos.  This is of course unpleasant and takes up extra time from you and often even makes you very nervous. 
But, unfortunately, it is a reality that it makes no sense to ignore.

At least the user has to make sure everything is done so that there are no misunderstandings with the casino and the user can remain comfortable playing gambling at the casino. But that is a choice for the users themselves because if they still want to play gambling at the casino, they will follow and obey the rules. But if the users don't want to, they will leave the casino and look for another casino. And we as users also have to ensure that the casino where we play gambling is still comfortable so we don't have to look for another casino.

There is one problem that any player who has been gambling for a long time and uses different casinos has probably faced.  This problem is that no matter ho well you learn ToS, in a real game, situations can still arise that you have to contact support. 
In part, you can find out about possible problems in advance by reading the reviews of real players on the forums, including our forum, where, as you all understand, the information about a particular casino in the corresponding topic is reliable and usually accurate. 
But reading user revievs takes quite a lot of your time and not many players are ready to engage in such reading of information instead of just quickly starting to play at the casino.  So far from all the nuances of the casino, which you enter for the firsst time, you can know in advance. 

But I agree that you still need to learn the rules to the maximum before you start playing and depositing your money in this casino.

[ethereumhunter]

There is one problem that any player who has been gambling for a long time and uses different casinos has probably faced.  This problem is that no matter ho well you learn ToS, in a real game, situations can still arise that you have to contact support. 
In part, you can find out about possible problems in advance by reading the reviews of real players on the forums, including our forum, where, as you all understand, the information about a particular casino in the corresponding topic is reliable and usually accurate. 
But reading user revievs takes quite a lot of your time and not many players are ready to engage in such reading of information instead of just quickly starting to play at the casino.  So far from all the nuances of the casino, which you enter for the firsst time, you can know in advance. 

But I agree that you still need to learn the rules to the maximum before you start playing and depositing your money in this casino.

Reading every user's reviews on this forum takes some time, but it is useful for those who want to find a suitable casino to gamble to avoid the shady casinos that are everywhere. But once they find the casino, they also have to make sure to understand all the rules that are in place in the casino so they don't accidentally break the rules. And if they don't understand something, they can ask the support service so nothing bad might happen.

After everything is in order and they understand what can and cannot be done while gambling at the casino, they can register and start depositing some money. And a trusted casino will also always notify its users of something important regarding changes to the rules so that all users can know and comply with the rules.

[Blitzboy]

I think that such advice does not always work as it should with players who come to play in a completely new casino for themselves. 
Unfortunately, during the game in a particular casino new to the player, situations often arise that the player did not know anything about and which he encountered only in a real game. 
Usually, of course, these are questions related to withdrawing money to your wallet in the event of a large or even mebium-sized win in the case when the player is suddenly lucky.  Usually in such situations, problems may arise, the solution of which has to be discussed with the support services of these casinos.  This is of course unpleasant and takes up extra time from you and often even makes you very nervous. 
But, unfortunately, it is a reality that it makes no sense to ignore.

At least the user has to make sure everything is done so that there are no misunderstandings with the casino and the user can remain comfortable playing gambling at the casino. But that is a choice for the users themselves because if they still want to play gambling at the casino, they will follow and obey the rules. But if the users don't want to, they will leave the casino and look for another casino. And we as users also have to ensure that the casino where we play gambling is still comfortable so we don't have to look for another casino.

There is one problem that any player who has been gambling for a long time and uses different casinos has probably faced.  This problem is that no matter ho well you learn ToS, in a real game, situations can still arise that you have to contact support. 
In part, you can find out about possible problems in advance by reading the reviews of real players on the forums, including our forum, where, as you all understand, the information about a particular casino in the corresponding topic is reliable and usually accurate. 
But reading user revievs takes quite a lot of your time and not many players are ready to engage in such reading of information instead of just quickly starting to play at the casino.  So far from all the nuances of the casino, which you enter for the firsst time, you can know in advance. 

But I agree that you still need to learn the rules to the maximum before you start playing and depositing your money in this casino.

Do you really think that if you read every word, you'll be safe? A fool! Terms and conditions change, and these casinos sometimes play games that are more complicated than the ones they show.

Reviews help, no doubt. But lets face it: sorting through reviews and figuring out which ones are true and which ones are paid for is a bet in and of itself. Some people's blind trust in them is funny.

Jumping into a game without knowing how deep it is? Thats like going into the woods without a plan and not caring about getting lost. But I have to give you props for realising: KNOW the rules. Dont just know them, though. Ask them questions and take them on. Because in this big world of lies, the best thing you can have is understanding, not luck.

[noormcs5]

Do you really think that if you read every word, you'll be safe? A fool! Terms and conditions change, and these casinos sometimes play games that are more complicated than the ones they show.

Reviews help, no doubt. But lets face it: sorting through reviews and figuring out which ones are true and which ones are paid for is a bet in and of itself. Some people's blind trust in them is funny.

Jumping into a game without knowing how deep it is? Thats like going into the woods without a plan and not caring about getting lost. But I have to give you props for realising: KNOW the rules. Dont just know them, though. Ask them questions and take them on. Because in this big world of lies, the best thing you can have is understanding, not luck.

The casino that wants to scam, will scam you and they do not need to change or alter their terms of service in order to get scam the gamblers. They can scam otherwise too and ToS does not need to play any part in it.

Anyways, those who want to run the scam business for a longer duration, they may use these methods to fool people and later justify themselves with the hope that the player agrees, think he was at fault/mistake and continue playing at the same gambling site.

[Jody.Drummer]

Do you really think that if you read every word, you'll be safe? A fool! Terms and conditions change, and these casinos sometimes play games that are more complicated than the ones they show.

Reviews help, no doubt. But lets face it: sorting through reviews and figuring out which ones are true and which ones are paid for is a bet in and of itself. Some people's blind trust in them is funny.

Jumping into a game without knowing how deep it is? Thats like going into the woods without a plan and not caring about getting lost. But I have to give you props for realising: KNOW the rules. Dont just know them, though. Ask them questions and take them on. Because in this big world of lies, the best thing you can have is understanding, not luck.

The casino that wants to scam, will scam you and they do not need to change or alter their terms of service in order to get scam the gamblers. They can scam otherwise too and ToS does not need to play any part in it.

Anyways, those who want to run the scam business for a longer duration, they may use these methods to fool people and later justify themselves with the hope that the player agrees, think he was at fault/mistake and continue playing at the same gambling site.

Talking about casinos that intend to cheat from the beginning, it is very clear that they do not need terms and conditions, it is just a formality, because they will leave after getting a lot of profit.
But when talking about casinos that are decent and reliable and include terms and conditions that we must follow, then it is natural that they do not talk directly about what they mean in their terms and conditions.
Maybe it will be confusing for beginners, but for people who have been in gambling for a long time, the terms they use will also be well understood.

[ScamViruS]

The casino that wants to scam, will scam you and they do not need to change or alter their terms of service in order to get scam the gamblers. They can scam otherwise too and ToS does not need to play any part in it.

Some casinos seek to systematically scam, whereby they make secret changes to the ToS that are invisible to gamblers. So some casinos are not to be taken lightly some casinos try their best to fool their customers. But gamblers also often make mistakes when they register at a casino, they don't want to spend the same amount of time to read the ToS, which causes them to face various problems later on. So gamblers have to be careful in all cases.

[worle1bm]

The casino that wants to scam, will scam you and they do not need to change or alter their terms of service in order to get scam the gamblers. They can scam otherwise too and ToS does not need to play any part in it.

Some casinos seek to systematically scam, whereby they make secret changes to the ToS that are invisible to gamblers. So some casinos are not to be taken lightly some casinos try their best to fool their customers. But gamblers also often make mistakes when they register at a casino, they don't want to spend the same amount of time to read the ToS, which causes them to face various problems later on. So gamblers have to be careful in all cases.

Those casinos are trying to indirectly scam users by making changes in terms because they know many don't recheck them for any of the updates so they find it suitable to do such things but good casinos will show pop up or as gambler check for any new updates that could affect you.

[Lanatsa]

The casino that wants to scam, will scam you and they do not need to change or alter their terms of service in order to get scam the gamblers. They can scam otherwise too and ToS does not need to play any part in it.

Some casinos seek to systematically scam, whereby they make secret changes to the ToS that are invisible to gamblers. So some casinos are not to be taken lightly some casinos try their best to fool their customers. But gamblers also often make mistakes when they register at a casino, they don't want to spend the same amount of time to read the ToS, which causes them to face various problems later on. So gamblers have to be careful in all cases.

Those casinos are trying to indirectly scam users by making changes in terms because they know many don't recheck them for any of the updates so they find it suitable to do such things but good casinos will show pop up or as gambler check for any new updates that could affect you.

One of the things that they could possibly abuse out because its true that most users or gamblers doesnt really check often about some changes in TOS. Come to think that even on the time that you do register, you

wont really be minding on reading up this whole pile of text which you would really be just directly check out that check box then proceed to play.This is why you cant really be able to tell whether they had changed it or not but it would really be always better or good to look at if the said company or platform would really be definitely be making out some announcement or words about such update for some transparency.
Using up this against on their users is really that a scammy behavior on which it is really that something that we should really avoid if we dont really like that headache.
This is why if you do have plans on engaging on gambling and choosing up some platform which are reputable and popular which you can somewhat assure that you wont really be cheated out
which this is the most important thing of all.

[Odusko]

The casino that wants to scam, will scam you and they do not need to change or alter their terms of service in order to get scam the gamblers. They can scam otherwise too and ToS does not need to play any part in it.

Some casinos seek to systematically scam, whereby they make secret changes to the ToS that are invisible to gamblers. So some casinos are not to be taken lightly some casinos try their best to fool their customers. But gamblers also often make mistakes when they register at a casino, they don't want to spend the same amount of time to read the ToS, which causes them to face various problems later on. So gamblers have to be careful in all cases.

Those casinos are trying to indirectly scam users by making changes in terms because they know many don't recheck them for any of the updates so they find it suitable to do such things but good casinos will show pop up or as gambler checks for any new updates that could affect you.

Just like many others have said,  any casino that changes its terms and conditions frequently without any prior information to their players are pouring scam and who shouldn't trust them in any form at some point we have to expose such casinos to warn others from falling victim to them,  because those casinos already hard the well-planned scheme and they will never change,  and same as all other scam projects they always change the rules at regular interval just to suit their scammy aim.

[khaled0111]

I think need against when gambling platform change suddenly with their term of service actually make difficult for user withdrawing their fund with huge amount.

I'm not sure I'm getting this right but are you suggesting that casinos can change their terms of service (rules) any time they want?! If this is what you meant then let me tell you this is not true. Any reliable service will notify its customers about the slightest change they may introduce to the ToS. Besides, any change should not have any retroactive effect. Any service which doesn't follow those basic rules is to be avoided.

[Fivestar4everMVP]

I think need against when gambling platform change suddenly with their term of service actually make difficult for user withdrawing their fund with huge amount.

I'm not sure I'm getting this right but are you suggesting that casinos can change their terms of service (rules) any time they want?! If this is what you meant then let me tell you this is not true. Any reliable service will notify its customers about the slightest change they may introduce to the ToS. Besides, any change should not have any retroactive effect. Any service which doesn't follow those basic rules is to be avoided.

I think what you assumed is not actually what he meant, what i think he meant is that, "we should or need to be against gambling platforms that suddenly change their terms of service, as such act can make withdrawal difficult, most especially for those withdrawing huge amount of money".

So going by the above which i believe is a clearer and easier to understand version of his comment, i would say that he is right, and you are right too as you both are basically saying the same thing, a reputable platform, (not just talking about gambling platforms right now, but by "platforms" i mean, casinos, exchanges and so on), will not just wake up one morning and put out an update on their terms of service and fail to inform their users of such a change, because any platform that does that can be sued by any customer who feels affected and decides to take up the case legally, so, it is very mandatory for companies to always inform their users of any change in the terms of service, no matter how insignificant it seem or seems.

[ScamViruS]

Those casinos are trying to indirectly scam users by making changes in terms because they know many don't recheck them for any of the updates so they find it suitable to do such things but good casinos will show pop up or as gambler check for any new updates that could affect you.

They are not actually trying to scam gamblers, their main target is to scam them. So nothing good can be expected from them. If Good Casino makes any changes to their services or changes the ToS, they use all their means to announce it to update their customers about those changes. So those who want to do business honestly in the gambling industry, they work professionally in all areas. So it is important for gamblers to be extremely careful in selecting gambling sites.

[Odusko]

but what you see in the crypto world is something that shows that there is no legal department in crypto companies or in many casinos, what I have concluded is that people get years of experience coding and then create a casino but they are not interested and know more about the legal part and because of that we see these bad behaviors

There is no single standard for crypto regulation, and each jurisdiction may have different rules. So it seems to me that the legal aspects are just a formality for most crypto projects, especially for gambling projects. For example, freebitcoin successfully operated for 10 years without ToS and any other legal information. In fact, they had only a three-line rule, and that's it. However, it's worth noting that they recently decided to add a full-fledged ToS, but as I already said, it's only a formal thing as nothing has changed for its users.

There is a standard for gambling regulation but there is no standard for crypto regulation. Even the gambling regulations differ for jurisdictions. So, as crypto embraced gambling, there are no standard rules in their marriage. Even till today SEC is finding it difficult to differentiate between ordinary token and securities.
Generally the gambling owners and the gamblers are not even interested in the legal part. They only begin to review it when the need arises. But as time proceeds, there will be more regulations and clear laws guiding the activities of crypto gambling.

Most times even though there is standard for cryptocurrencies gambling and regulations,  the fact still remains that some scam casinos still do whatever their feels despite having regulations in place and because of the bottleneck method of government regulations that have given those scam casinos the chance to do whatever their want without any fear that regulations and government will check to mate them.
So in most cases,  most of that licenses and regulations are only but just paperwork and casinos still do whatever their like by changing the TOS at will just to favour their own individual loss and scammy activities.

[Hamphser]

but what you see in the crypto world is something that shows that there is no legal department in crypto companies or in many casinos, what I have concluded is that people get years of experience coding and then create a casino but they are not interested and know more about the legal part and because of that we see these bad behaviors

There is no single standard for crypto regulation, and each jurisdiction may have different rules. So it seems to me that the legal aspects are just a formality for most crypto projects, especially for gambling projects. For example, freebitcoin successfully operated for 10 years without ToS and any other legal information. In fact, they had only a three-line rule, and that's it. However, it's worth noting that they recently decided to add a full-fledged ToS, but as I already said, it's only a formal thing as nothing has changed for its users.

There is a standard for gambling regulation but there is no standard for crypto regulation. Even the gambling regulations differ for jurisdictions. So, as crypto embraced gambling, there are no standard rules in their marriage. Even till today SEC is finding it difficult to differentiate between ordinary token and securities.
Generally the gambling owners and the gamblers are not even interested in the legal part. They only begin to review it when the need arises. But as time proceeds, there will be more regulations and clear laws guiding the activities of crypto gambling.

Most times even though there is standard for cryptocurrencies gambling and regulations,  the fact still remains that some scam casinos still do whatever their feels despite having regulations in place and because of the bottleneck method of government regulations that have given those scam casinos the chance to do whatever their want without any fear that regulations and government will check to mate them.
So in most cases,  most of that licenses and regulations are only but just paperwork and casinos still do whatever their like by changing the TOS at will just to favour their own individual loss and scammy activities.

In overall, it wont really be that an assurance thing that would really be putting yourself on complete safety or doesnt really have that kind of risks on which this is something is true on the thing

that you had said.Everything might really be looking that regulated or been abiding on government rules but on the time that they would be making out decisions that they would be scamming out a certain amount of players and taking up those kind of alibis which it would really be pertaining about these TOS changes which its very that unethical i would say. But how people would really be able to prove out that they are really that changing those words if people arent most likely been reading up these Tos in the first place?

It is really hard to determine whether they have changed or not until on the time that they would be saying that they had changed up something and you
have violated something which it is really that make you surprised when the time comes but of course this would be only talking into those shady platforms.

[paxmao]

Just make sure that those casinos or sites that are mistreating the users, even if it is using the ToS in unnacceptable ways or just to prevent the user accessing his own funds are named and shamed in the forum. The ToS are a special kind of contract called an adhesion contract and they have limits on what can contain. This is because you as a user cannot really negotiate any terms and may not even understand.

[tusandii]

The casino that wants to scam, will scam you and they do not need to change or alter their terms of service in order to get scam the gamblers. They can scam otherwise too and ToS does not need to play any part in it.

Some casinos seek to systematically scam, whereby they make secret changes to the ToS that are invisible to gamblers. So some casinos are not to be taken lightly some casinos try their best to fool their customers. But gamblers also often make mistakes when they register at a casino, they don't want to spend the same amount of time to read the ToS, which causes them to face various problems later on. So gamblers have to be careful in all cases.

Those casinos are trying to indirectly scam users by making changes in terms because they know many don't recheck them for any of the updates so they find it suitable to do such things but good casinos will show pop up or as gambler check for any new updates that could affect you.

If it is said that a casino is trying to cheat, that also has a point, because they update or change the terms or rules contained in Tos without the knowledge of the customer or do not provide update information or do not ask for approval from all customers, whereas if there is no notification information, then the change can be violated by customers and seem like a trap.
The obligation of the casino when changing the Tos terms and regulations is to share information about the changes made and it would be a shame if some casinos did not do this.
As gamblers, we have to be smarter in choosing the right casino so we don't encounter problems like that and of course a trusted big casino that can be our top choice for gambling.

So far, I have never encountered such a problem in the big casinos that I use, but for small and medium-sized casinos, I don't know about it.

[Rabata]

The casino that wants to scam, will scam you and they do not need to change or alter their terms of service in order to get scam the gamblers. They can scam otherwise too and ToS does not need to play any part in it.

Some casinos seek to systematically scam, whereby they make secret changes to the ToS that are invisible to gamblers. So some casinos are not to be taken lightly some casinos try their best to fool their customers. But gamblers also often make mistakes when they register at a casino, they don't want to spend the same amount of time to read the ToS, which causes them to face various problems later on. So gamblers have to be careful in all cases.

Those casinos are trying to indirectly scam users by making changes in terms because they know many don't recheck them for any of the updates so they find it suitable to do such things but good casinos will show pop up or as gambler check for any new updates that could affect you.

If it is said that a casino is trying to cheat, that also has a point, because they update or change the terms or rules contained in Tos without the knowledge of the customer or do not provide update information or do not ask for approval from all customers, whereas if there is no notification information, then the change can be violated by customers and seem like a trap.
The obligation of the casino when changing the Tos terms and regulations is to share information about the changes made and it would be a shame if some casinos did not do this.
As gamblers, we have to be smarter in choosing the right casino so we don't encounter problems like that and of course a trusted big casino that can be our top choice for gambling.

So far, I have never encountered such a problem in the big casinos that I use, but for small and medium-sized casinos, I don't know about it.

Casinos that are well established will definitely keep their users interest first. They know that if users stay on their site, they will earn. On the other hand, those who plan to scam will try to mislead their clients in any way they can and steal their money. Whether a casino is good or bad is not understood firstly it unfolds slowly. But those who are gamblers should always remember that gambling in any casino should not be done out of greed or in the hope of a bonus.

[avp2306]

The casino that wants to scam, will scam you and they do not need to change or alter their terms of service in order to get scam the gamblers. They can scam otherwise too and ToS does not need to play any part in it.

Some casinos seek to systematically scam, whereby they make secret changes to the ToS that are invisible to gamblers. So some casinos are not to be taken lightly some casinos try their best to fool their customers. But gamblers also often make mistakes when they register at a casino, they don't want to spend the same amount of time to read the ToS, which causes them to face various problems later on. So gamblers have to be careful in all cases.

Those casinos are trying to indirectly scam users by making changes in terms because they know many don't recheck them for any of the updates so they find it suitable to do such things but good casinos will show pop up or as gambler check for any new updates that could affect you.

If it is said that a casino is trying to cheat, that also has a point, because they update or change the terms or rules contained in Tos without the knowledge of the customer or do not provide update information or do not ask for approval from all customers, whereas if there is no notification information, then the change can be violated by customers and seem like a trap.
The obligation of the casino when changing the Tos terms and regulations is to share information about the changes made and it would be a shame if some casinos did not do this.
As gamblers, we have to be smarter in choosing the right casino so we don't encounter problems like that and of course a trusted big casino that can be our top choice for gambling.

So far, I have never encountered such a problem in the big casinos that I use, but for small and medium-sized casinos, I don't know about it.

Casinos that are well established will definitely keep their users interest first. They know that if users stay on their site, they will earn. On the other hand, those who plan to scam will try to mislead their clients in any way they can and steal their money. Whether a casino is good or bad is not understood firstly it unfolds slowly. But those who are gamblers should always remember that gambling in any casino should not be done out of greed or in the hope of a bonus.

They will not ruin their reputation just for one user issue so most of those casino will not do anything illegal since this will reflect back to them.  This commonly happen in new casino where they usually do this maybe because they are not getting any profit yet and here there's one of their gambler win a huge profit to their casino that's why they use some illegal technique just to wipe out those winnings. We see this happened and maybe this actions will still happen so we need to be wise picking best casino to engage to avoid such problems.

[ethereumhunter]

Casinos that are well established will definitely keep their users interest first. They know that if users stay on their site, they will earn. On the other hand, those who plan to scam will try to mislead their clients in any way they can and steal their money. Whether a casino is good or bad is not understood firstly it unfolds slowly. But those who are gamblers should always remember that gambling in any casino should not be done out of greed or in the hope of a bonus.

A scam casino will use many ways to mislead its clients and stop at nothing to deceive those who are careless and never follow its rules. But even if they follow the rules, the scam casino will still take the money with nothing left and block the account. But it is different from popular casinos. The casino will continue to take care of its users so that they can stay at the casino. If the casino makes changes, they will notify all of their members by sending an email or a notification that will appear every time the user logs into their dashboard. And that is why we have to stay in popular casinos and not try to play in scam casinos because we will surely lose the money without knowing.

[slapper]

Casinos that are well established will definitely keep their users interest first. They know that if users stay on their site, they will earn. On the other hand, those who plan to scam will try to mislead their clients in any way they can and steal their money. Whether a casino is good or bad is not understood firstly it unfolds slowly. But those who are gamblers should always remember that gambling in any casino should not be done out of greed or in the hope of a bonus.

A scam casino will use many ways to mislead its clients and stop at nothing to deceive those who are careless and never follow its rules. But even if they follow the rules, the scam casino will still take the money with nothing left and block the account. But it is different from popular casinos. The casino will continue to take care of its users so that they can stay at the casino. If the casino makes changes, they will notify all of their members by sending an email or a notification that will appear every time the user logs into their dashboard. And that is why we have to stay in popular casinos and not try to play in scam casinos because we will surely lose the money without knowing.

Between reputable casinos and shady ones, there is a distinct divide. It's like day and night! You believe that tricking people is the main goal of scam casinos? I assure you that there are worse things. There are shades of gray in the world. But hey, thanks for the tip

You claim that well-known casinos look after their patrons. What universe do you inhabit? Like everyone else, they are only interested in making money. Users are informed about changes? Aren't they meant to do that?

Stay at well-known casinos? Yes, if you wish to blend in with the other fish in the large pond. If you have the courage, occasionally plunge into the unknown. Hey, it's your money; you make the decision

[klidex]

The casino that wants to scam, will scam you and they do not need to change or alter their terms of service in order to get scam the gamblers. They can scam otherwise too and ToS does not need to play any part in it.

Some casinos seek to systematically scam, whereby they make secret changes to the ToS that are invisible to gamblers. So some casinos are not to be taken lightly some casinos try their best to fool their customers. But gamblers also often make mistakes when they register at a casino, they don't want to spend the same amount of time to read the ToS, which causes them to face various problems later on. So gamblers have to be careful in all cases.

Those casinos are trying to indirectly scam users by making changes in terms because they know many don't recheck them for any of the updates so they find it suitable to do such things but good casinos will show pop up or as gambler check for any new updates that could affect you.

If it is said that a casino is trying to cheat, that also has a point, because they update or change the terms or rules contained in Tos without the knowledge of the customer or do not provide update information or do not ask for approval from all customers, whereas if there is no notification information, then the change can be violated by customers and seem like a trap.
The obligation of the casino when changing the Tos terms and regulations is to share information about the changes made and it would be a shame if some casinos did not do this.
As gamblers, we have to be smarter in choosing the right casino so we don't encounter problems like that and of course a trusted big casino that can be our top choice for gambling.

So far, I have never encountered such a problem in the big casinos that I use, but for small and medium-sized casinos, I don't know about it.

Casinos that are well established will definitely keep their users interest first. They know that if users stay on their site, they will earn. On the other hand, those who plan to scam will try to mislead their clients in any way they can and steal their money. Whether a casino is good or bad is not understood firstly it unfolds slowly. But those who are gamblers should always remember that gambling in any casino should not be done out of greed or in the hope of a bonus.

It would be better to use a small amount to gamble at any online casino which means when we always use a small amount of money we will not have any worries whether the casino will cheat or not even though at first the casino was fine but suddenly cheated my customers thought we would not be disappointed.
Another problem is when we use a small amount we will not have big expectations from the casino so it is very unlikely that if we get something big using a small amount of money because just in case we get a big win that ends up not being able to be withdrawn on the grounds that it violates casino rules etc.

[Lanatsa]

The casino that wants to scam, will scam you and they do not need to change or alter their terms of service in order to get scam the gamblers. They can scam otherwise too and ToS does not need to play any part in it.

Some casinos seek to systematically scam, whereby they make secret changes to the ToS that are invisible to gamblers. So some casinos are not to be taken lightly some casinos try their best to fool their customers. But gamblers also often make mistakes when they register at a casino, they don't want to spend the same amount of time to read the ToS, which causes them to face various problems later on. So gamblers have to be careful in all cases.

Those casinos are trying to indirectly scam users by making changes in terms because they know many don't recheck them for any of the updates so they find it suitable to do such things but good casinos will show pop up or as gambler check for any new updates that could affect you.

If it is said that a casino is trying to cheat, that also has a point, because they update or change the terms or rules contained in Tos without the knowledge of the customer or do not provide update information or do not ask for approval from all customers, whereas if there is no notification information, then the change can be violated by customers and seem like a trap.
The obligation of the casino when changing the Tos terms and regulations is to share information about the changes made and it would be a shame if some casinos did not do this.
As gamblers, we have to be smarter in choosing the right casino so we don't encounter problems like that and of course a trusted big casino that can be our top choice for gambling.

So far, I have never encountered such a problem in the big casinos that I use, but for small and medium-sized casinos, I don't know about it.

Casinos that are well established will definitely keep their users interest first. They know that if users stay on their site, they will earn. On the other hand, those who plan to scam will try to mislead their clients in any way they can and steal their money. Whether a casino is good or bad is not understood firstly it unfolds slowly. But those who are gamblers should always remember that gambling in any casino should not be done out of greed or in the hope of a bonus.

It would be better to use a small amount to gamble at any online casino which means when we always use a small amount of money we will not have any worries whether the casino will cheat or not even though at first the casino was fine but suddenly cheated my customers thought we would not be disappointed.
Another problem is when we use a small amount we will not have big expectations from the casino so it is very unlikely that if we get something big using a small amount of money because just in case we get a big win that ends up not being able to be withdrawn on the grounds that it violates casino rules etc.

Always recommendable on having this kind of approach on which dont make out huge deposits on gambling sites or any platforms since there's always a tendency that you might be dealing up with a site which is
really that shady or having these kind of behavior. Although we know that there are whale players which they cant really just simply play out with small amounts and from the name itself on being a "whale"

then you would definitely be making out some huge deposits which is something that is really that standard on where you would really be that normally be dealing with huge wagers on every roll.
If you do hit up some huge win then its good that you would be paid out instantly but we know that there are platforms who do really ask out for some verification before you could be able to do so which is really that a shit situation on finding yourself even if you arent that a whale or just those typical gambler where hitting up some jackpot or making huge profits then this is where these situations usually be setting in.

This is why its always been that recommendable that you should always stick out on platforms or companies which are reputable and popular on which it do lessen out the chances for you to experience such problems.So far in my experience which i havent really been able to experience such TOS changing kind of violation or problem as long you do know on where you would really be placing yourself then
you wont really be able to experience such things.

[serjent05]

It would be better to use a small amount to gamble at any online casino which means when we always use a small amount of money we will not have any worries whether the casino will cheat or not even though at first the casino was fine but suddenly cheated my customers thought we would not be disappointed.
Another problem is when we use a small amount we will not have big expectations from the casino so it is very unlikely that if we get something big using a small amount of money because just in case we get a big win that ends up not being able to be withdrawn on the grounds that it violates casino rules etc.

I agree, we should test the waters first before fully submerging on it.  Using a small amount of money to test the casino is a good strategy to know about the casino.  Others even use freebies, bonuses, and other methods that do not make them spend any amount of money to try the casino.  Although there are wagering requirements and quite hard to cash out in this kind of strategy, at least we are not spending a single penny on the casino while testing its features and how it communicates to the player.

[ethereumhunter]

Between reputable casinos and shady ones, there is a distinct divide. It's like day and night! You believe that tricking people is the main goal of scam casinos? I assure you that there are worse things. There are shades of gray in the world. But hey, thanks for the tip

You claim that well-known casinos look after their patrons. What universe do you inhabit? Like everyone else, they are only interested in making money. Users are informed about changes? Aren't they meant to do that?

Stay at well-known casinos? Yes, if you wish to blend in with the other fish in the large pond. If you have the courage, occasionally plunge into the unknown. Hey, it's your money; you make the decision

In the end, the scam casino will cheat the people and will take all the money with nothing left. It will be the choice of the people where they will play and as long as they play at a reputable and trusted casino, they will be safe, but of course, they also have to follow every rule in the casino.

They cannot play as they please at the casino, especially if the casino has strict rules. And if they don't follow the rules, they may be kicked out of the casino and can't get back to it. Reputable casinos would do this because they know their casinos can become big because of loyal customers, especially customers who spend big money. So if the casino changes, they will let all their customers know about it.

Playing at a well-known casino will provide its own experience, but if the casino is an offline casino, surely you need more money to enter the casino. But if you play gambling at an online casino, you don't need a lot of money because online casinos allow you to play gambling at the casino with enough money.

[Mauser]

Between reputable casinos and shady ones, there is a distinct divide. It's like day and night! You believe that tricking people is the main goal of scam casinos? I assure you that there are worse things. There are shades of gray in the world. But hey, thanks for the tip

You claim that well-known casinos look after their patrons. What universe do you inhabit? Like everyone else, they are only interested in making money. Users are informed about changes? Aren't they meant to do that?

Stay at well-known casinos? Yes, if you wish to blend in with the other fish in the large pond. If you have the courage, occasionally plunge into the unknown. Hey, it's your money; you make the decision

In the end, the scam casino will cheat the people and will take all the money with nothing left. It will be the choice of the people where they will play and as long as they play at a reputable and trusted casino, they will be safe, but of course, they also have to follow every rule in the casino.

They cannot play as they please at the casino, especially if the casino has strict rules. And if they don't follow the rules, they may be kicked out of the casino and can't get back to it. Reputable casinos would do this because they know their casinos can become big because of loyal customers, especially customers who spend big money. So if the casino changes, they will let all their customers know about it.

Playing at a well-known casino will provide its own experience, but if the casino is an offline casino, surely you need more money to enter the casino. But if you play gambling at an online casino, you don't need a lot of money because online casinos allow you to play gambling at the casino with enough money.

When visiting a physical casino, we don't need to accept the ToS to enter or get written down rules on paper that we carry around with us. There are rules in place, but they are not as open when visiting an online casino. We all have to accept the ToS before starting to play online, even though most of us don't bother to read them. It's true that with little money we can play much more online, in the offline casinos the minimum sizes bets are larger and there is more pressure around it us to constantly be placing bets. However, the rules are always the same, it doesn't matter if we enter the casino with 100 USD or 10,000 USD, we all face the same rules. As for rule violations I think that in a physical casino they are not so severe, there will be staff coming to you and tell you that you can't do certain things. But as far as I know you don't get kicked out immediately, because after drinking alcohol things can always get a more tense. Also, you need to travel to visit a physical casino and the owners want you to come back. In the worst case, when you get kicked out it's usually just for the night and there is no permanent ban for gamblers. In online casino the situation is different, because violations against the ToS are more severe. It's not like people get drunk and start harassing other customers, all the violations are against the casino itself and not really the other customers.

[ethereumhunter]

When visiting a physical casino, we don't need to accept the ToS to enter or get written down rules on paper that we carry around with us. There are rules in place, but they are not as open when visiting an online casino. We all have to accept the ToS before starting to play online, even though most of us don't bother to read them. It's true that with little money we can play much more online, in the offline casinos the minimum sizes bets are larger and there is more pressure around it us to constantly be placing bets. However, the rules are always the same, it doesn't matter if we enter the casino with 100 USD or 10,000 USD, we all face the same rules. As for rule violations I think that in a physical casino they are not so severe, there will be staff coming to you and tell you that you can't do certain things. But as far as I know you don't get kicked out immediately, because after drinking alcohol things can always get a more tense. Also, you need to travel to visit a physical casino and the owners want you to come back. In the worst case, when you get kicked out it's usually just for the night and there is no permanent ban for gamblers. In online casino the situation is different, because violations against the ToS are more severe. It's not like people get drunk and start harassing other customers, all the violations are against the casino itself and not really the other customers.

There are differences in regulations between physical casinos and online casinos. Even if we play in physical casinos, we still have to make sure of the rules and try to obey them so that we don't experience any problems. Maybe in a physical casino, you will not experience your gambling account being blocked because you will be confronted by casino staff who will come up to you and invite you into the room and explain what happened. But when that happens at an online casino, the worst thing you can get is blocking your gambling account so you can't play gambling at the casino. So it's up to you to choose and if you want to be able to play gambling at the casino, you must obey the rules of the casino and playing safe is the best advice. For drunk people, we will probably only meet him in physical casinos, while in online casinos, we will not be able to meet him. And even if we are drunk, other people will not see we are drunk.

[Bitcoin_people]

There are some gambling platforms that sometimes manipulate and cause problems while withdrawing the bet money. Even when a gambler reads the terms and conditions of the casino platform well and acts accordingly, there are many ToS that cause problems. Many gambling platforms have such mischievous team services who trouble and try to do various scams against gamblers. But there are many people who try to do everything without reading the ToS and for them the gambling platform decides to read the ToS again and again. But to my knowledge there are no casino platforms that can cause problems with players who try to cheat but who don't follow the rules of the ToS.

[coinerer]

Changing of terms and conditions without notifying the users or gamblers is normal with online gambling websites? Then when you did something wrong or about to withdraw your money they will tell you that you don't read their terms and conditions, and you start arguing with them until you decide to read the ToS again and you find out that it's different.

If a gambling site changes its terms and conditions, it must notify the customer via email. sites that are reportable and trustworthy must do this. And if they don't do this and any user has problem because of it then the gambling site will be responsible.  But we have to be careful about it and when they ask to agree on any condition, we have to read those reasons carefully. In that case there will be less chance of problems

[Fivestar4everMVP]

Changing of terms and conditions without notifying the users or gamblers is normal with online gambling websites? Then when you did something wrong or about to withdraw your money they will tell you that you don't read their terms and conditions, and you start arguing with them until you decide to read the ToS again and you find out that it's different.

If a gambling site changes its terms and conditions, it must notify the customer via email. sites that are reportable and trustworthy must do this. And if they don't do this and any user has problem because of it then the gambling site will be responsible.  But we have to be careful about it and when they ask to agree on any condition, we have to read those reasons carefully. In that case there will be less chance of problems

I think I've stated this here before, every casino should copy from what stake did when they updated their terms and conditions, they lock all their users out of their accounts, that is, you can login to your account by-pass the accept new terms and condition pop up which cover the whole screen, that is, stake forced all their users to make sure to read and accept the new terms before they are allowed access into their account proper, this is the best strategy, much better than sending emails, with this strategy, even though I personally believe that many gamblers are still going to accept the updated terms and conditions without reading it, I still believe this is much better than sending emails which users might not even take notice off, or will allow to sit there for several days or weeks without opening it, and some have trashing system which trashes mails in the inbox that have not been read for a set period of time.

[Bushdark]

There are some gambling platforms that sometimes manipulate and cause problems while withdrawing the bet money. Even when a gambler reads the terms and conditions of the casino platform well and acts accordingly, there are many ToS that cause problems. Many gambling platforms have such mischievous team services who trouble and try to do various scams against gamblers. But there are many people who try to do everything without reading the ToS and for them the gambling platform decides to read the ToS again and again. But to my knowledge there are no casino platforms that can cause problems with players who try to cheat but who don't follow the rules of the ToS.

Many scam casinos normally manipulate there terms and conditions in a way to steal from there customers. This normally happens when a gambler want to make a withdrawal especially when the money is big.

He can be asked to do urgent KYC which might never be approved with so many excuses to based on there terms and conditions to disqualify the player. We need to always make sure that we are not too freaky about the bonus we can get from casinos but we should always have it in mind that making a small mistake can cause us to lost our entire funds if we end up on a bad casino.

[serjent05]

There are some gambling platforms that sometimes manipulate and cause problems while withdrawing the bet money. Even when a gambler reads the terms and conditions of the casino platform well and acts accordingly, there are many ToS that cause problems. Many gambling platforms have such mischievous team services who trouble and try to do various scams against gamblers. But there are many people who try to do everything without reading the ToS and for them the gambling platform decides to read the ToS again and again. But to my knowledge there are no casino platforms that can cause problems with players who try to cheat but who don't follow the rules of the ToS.

Many scam casinos normally manipulate there terms and conditions in a way to steal from there customers. This normally happens when a gambler want to make a withdrawal especially when the money is big.

Not only scam casinos, even the registered centralized company can also use this dirty tactics to rob their client of their fund.  One example is the Celcius company where the court settled the case that most of the clients cryptocurrency funds is own by Celcious because of the sudden changes on its terms of service.[1]

He can be asked to do urgent KYC which might never be approved with so many excuses to based on there terms and conditions to disqualify the player. We need to always make sure that we are not too freaky about the bonus we can get from casinos but we should always have it in mind that making a small mistake can cause us to lost our entire funds if we end up on a bad casino.

This is what a shady centralized casino does if they don't want to part with the players' money.  It is very frustrating and annoying if shady casinos use this tactic to hinder their client withdrawal when the player cleanly won the amount.



[1] https://www.reuters.com/business/finance/us-judge-says-celsius-network-owns-most-customer-crypto-deposits-2023-01-05/

[erep]

I think I've stated this here before, every casino should copy from what stake did when they updated their terms and conditions, they lock all their users out of their accounts, that is, you can login to your account by-pass the accept new terms and condition pop up which cover the whole screen, that is, stake forced all their users to make sure to read and accept the new terms before they are allowed access into their account proper, this is the best strategy, much better than sending emails, with this strategy, even though I personally believe that many gamblers are still going to accept the updated terms and conditions without reading it, I still believe this is much better than sending emails which users might not even take notice off, or will allow to sit there for several days or weeks without opening it, and some have trashing system which trashes mails in the inbox that have not been read for a set period of time.

You are right, if the top casino will notify the update of the terms and conditions with several strategies so that all users are aware of the updated TOS of the casino that has been changed or has been added other points, the most effective way is to announce in the pop-up information after the user has logged in to his account and the casino must send a notification to the user's email so that changes to the TOS are not debated in the future, but if the casino fails to change the TOS to the detriment of gamblers and the casino will not publish information on changes to users so that the casino blames users for ignoring the TOS.

[goinmerry]

You are right, if the top casino will notify the update of the terms and conditions with several strategies so that all users are aware of the updated TOS of the casino that has been changed or has been added other points, the most effective way is to announce in the pop-up information after the user has logged in to his account and the casino must send a notification to the user's email so that changes to the TOS are not debated in the future, but if the casino fails to change the TOS to the detriment of gamblers and the casino will not publish information on changes to users so that the casino blames users for ignoring the TOS.

There's a usual line related to terms and conditions, "some terms might be changed or modified without noticing users".

Whether the casino should notify the users or not, really depends on users on approaching the site if something unusual happened. We don't really know what will be the scenario if these casinos began questioning us. We should participate lightly and calmly to what they asked for and just follow what they want us to do.

We have no choice after all, right?

In case we already give everything and still have no sign from them of giving us a positive answer, we can act now to the next level by putting pressure on them. We can spread their bad approach to their users on some famous community forums and spam some complaints at some gambling site checkers.

[erep]

There's a usual line related to terms and conditions, "some terms might be changed or modified without noticing users".

The casino does have the right to modify or add new terms and conditions without agreement with the user, but the new policy must not be detrimental to the user, the casino still acts fairly and is responsible for paying the jackpot withdrawal without making it difficult for any reason. We may not be able to do anything if the casino decides to unilaterally harm the user, but we have control to report the casino to the community by including valid evidence, the casino will lose its users because gamblers do not use casinos that harm users, without users gambling will not operate and slowly the casino will go bankrupt unless the casinos fix everything before the big trouble comes along.

[CarnagexD]

There's a usual line related to terms and conditions, "some terms might be changed or modified without noticing users".

The casino does have the right to modify or add new terms and conditions without agreement with the user, but the new policy must not be detrimental to the user, the casino still acts fairly and is responsible for paying the jackpot withdrawal without making it difficult for any reason. We may not be able to do anything if the casino decides to unilaterally harm the user, but we have control to report the casino to the community by including valid evidence, the casino will lose its users because gamblers do not use casinos that harm users, without users gambling will not operate and slowly the casino will go bankrupt unless the casinos fix everything before the big trouble comes along.

It's true that casinos often update their rules without necessarily getting agreement from users. But it's good to know that any changes shouldn't put users at a disadvantage. The casino is expected to treat everyone fairly and, of course, when someone hits that jackpot, the withdrawal process should be smooth sailing.

Gladly on my own experience, when chagnes on my online casino I'm playing with, stakes, vbet" notifies users about their changes days before. So when having withdraws I have bit adjustment when I am directly affected with the updates of services.

[Fivestar4everMVP]

There's a usual line related to terms and conditions, "some terms might be changed or modified without noticing users".

The casino does have the right to modify or add new terms and conditions without agreement with the user, but the new policy must not be detrimental to the user, the casino still acts fairly and is responsible for paying the jackpot withdrawal without making it difficult for any reason. We may not be able to do anything if the casino decides to unilaterally harm the user, but we have control to report the casino to the community by including valid evidence, the casino will lose its users because gamblers do not use casinos that harm users, without users gambling will not operate and slowly the casino will go bankrupt unless the casinos fix everything before the big trouble comes along.

For me though, I believe that casinos does have such power or right to modify their terms and conditions, and not inform their users about it, only if they have specifically and categorically made it clear in their terms and conditions that, they have a right to modify the terms and conditions without prior or aftermath notice to their users, and also make it clear to their users that its is their responsibility to periodically go through the terms and conditions to stay updated with latest and unannounced changes.

I believe with such a line as the above included in the terms and conditions, users who read it and still go ahead to agree to it are doing or did so at their own peril, because personally, i legitimate casino with no interior or scam motives will not include such a line, but must make sure to announce to their users when their terms and conditions is going to be updated, or notify their users when they have modified their terms and conditions, i mean it cost nothing to do so aside sending out  a couple of buck emails.

[Docnaster]

Changing of terms and conditions without notifying the users or gamblers is normal with online gambling websites? Then when you did something wrong or about to withdraw your money they will tell you that you don't read their terms and conditions, and you start arguing with them until you decide to read the ToS again and you find out that it's different.

If a gambling site changes its terms and conditions, it must notify the customer via email. sites that are reportable and trustworthy must do this. And if they don't do this and any user has problem because of it then the gambling site will be responsible.  But we have to be careful about it and when they ask to agree on any condition, we have to read those reasons carefully. In that case there will be less chance of problems

I have been reading this allegation of company and casinos changing their terms of service without notifying customers.
Since I have been reading about this, I have never seen a very tangible evidence either by screenshot or by link where such Terms of services were changed without the knowledge of the customers. Almost everything in the discussion is based on assumption and accusation. I haven't seen a real life situation. I do not argue that it cannot happen or it is not happening. But at least I need to see an evidence that it has happened with a certain casino.

[slapper]

You are right, if the top casino will notify the update of the terms and conditions with several strategies so that all users are aware of the updated TOS of the casino that has been changed or has been added other points, the most effective way is to announce in the pop-up information after the user has logged in to his account and the casino must send a notification to the user's email so that changes to the TOS are not debated in the future, but if the casino fails to change the TOS to the detriment of gamblers and the casino will not publish information on changes to users so that the casino blames users for ignoring the TOS.

There's a usual line related to terms and conditions, "some terms might be changed or modified without noticing users".

Whether the casino should notify the users or not, really depends on users on approaching the site if something unusual happened. We don't really know what will be the scenario if these casinos began questioning us. We should participate lightly and calmly to what they asked for and just follow what they want us to do.

We have no choice after all, right?

In case we already give everything and still have no sign from them of giving us a positive answer, we can act now to the next level by putting pressure on them. We can spread their bad approach to their users on some famous community forums and spam some complaints at some gambling site checkers.

That T&C line is nothing but garbage. These casinos think they can pull a fast one on hardworking people like us? Not on my watch! You've got a point when you say that users should approach the site cautiously if something feels off. But let me tell you, the moment you sense that something's not right, it's already too late

Following their demands blindly? Not the way I operate. We've got to show these money-grabbing establishments that we won't be pushed around. So, if they don't want to notify users about changes, that's on them. But when they start acting shady, we've got every right to put the pressure on them

Spreading the word about their bad practices on community forums? That's just the beginning. These casinos should be quaking in their boots when they think of crossing us. It's high time they understand who truly holds the power: the users

[AbuBhakar]

I have been reading this allegation of company and casinos changing their terms of service without notifying customers.
Since I have been reading about this, I have never seen a very tangible evidence either by screenshot or by link where such Terms of services were changed without the knowledge of the customers. Almost everything in the discussion is based on assumption and accusation. I haven't seen a real life situation. I do not argue that it cannot happen or it is not happening. But at least I need to see an evidence that it has happened with a certain casino.

It’s very hard to to provide evidence on ToS changes since no one reads it seriously in full every time they play in the casino or even during on the registration when user click agree and read the ToS.

I believe this is why it's important to use only a reputable casino when gambling huge amount to make sure that you will not be cheated by the casino since shady casino usually use ToS to make their way against user that won huge funds against casino. Stake.com ToS update is the best example for notifying all users that they change ToS since they provide notifications during login for easy notified.

[LUCKMCFLY]

I have been reading this allegation of company and casinos changing their terms of service without notifying customers.
Since I have been reading about this, I have never seen a very tangible evidence either by screenshot or by link where such Terms of services were changed without the knowledge of the customers. Almost everything in the discussion is based on assumption and accusation. I haven't seen a real life situation. I do not argue that it cannot happen or it is not happening. But at least I need to see an evidence that it has happened with a certain casino.

It’s very hard to to provide evidence on ToS changes since no one reads it seriously in full every time they play in the casino or even during on the registration when user click agree and read the ToS.

I believe this is why it's important to use only a reputable casino when gambling huge amount to make sure that you will not be cheated by the casino since shady casino usually use ToS to make their way against user that won huge funds against casino. Stake.com ToS update is the best example for notifying all users that they change ToS since they provide notifications during login for easy notified.

You are right, whenever it comes to things for the Tos it is delicate , many people focus that they can change the Tos as long as the counter is shown and that the players accept, it is very true, when Stakle.com made its change of Cough , it appeared, you could read it and apart from that you were given the option to accept or not, this was a very transparent act, things in this casino are the most affordable, for me it is the best casino in the world, here in the forum is a worthy example to follow, all casinos try to do their best to look like the best , as the case that they want to copy some things from stake.com, from bitcasino, io, they are casinos that really have a lot to do with me speak up and be the best example.

For the Tos I think that I am leaving very delicate, a casino cannot be changing the Tos pasi like this and why it seems to be only correct, I do not think that things should be treated that way, personally I think that when they are Dealing with these things is what defines a casino, because they are its laws, its rules, what must be complied with yes or yes, and that can be protected from any problem.

The casinos that make changes in their Tos without the consent of the users, it is something that is not legal, I see it as a lack of respect, and in reality a casino like this is not worth it, for me a casino when it changes it should do so public manner, but if the case changes according to how the user commitment follows, that is something that is not legal, or when you see that there is a casino that always does that, it is better to leave, there are also many casinos that they are excellent, and that they are very nice to play.

At this point , it is best to go to a casino that is reliable, that has a very good Reputation and that part of this provides security to its players, who will never be robbed or something similar, because through Tos you can steal the money from the users, and it is something that is not Honest.

[ethereumhunter]

I have been reading this allegation of company and casinos changing their terms of service without notifying customers.
Since I have been reading about this, I have never seen a very tangible evidence either by screenshot or by link where such Terms of services were changed without the knowledge of the customers. Almost everything in the discussion is based on assumption and accusation. I haven't seen a real life situation. I do not argue that it cannot happen or it is not happening. But at least I need to see an evidence that it has happened with a certain casino.

It’s very hard to to provide evidence on ToS changes since no one reads it seriously in full every time they play in the casino or even during on the registration when user click agree and read the ToS.

I believe this is why it's important to use only a reputable casino when gambling huge amount to make sure that you will not be cheated by the casino since shady casino usually use ToS to make their way against user that won huge funds against casino. Stake.com ToS update is the best example for notifying all users that they change ToS since they provide notifications during login for easy notified.

Reputable casinos will notify all their users if they make changes to their TOS so that their users can know and read the changes. And the casino will also not try to take advantage of the TOS change because it is not feasible and will affect the trust of its users, who already trust the casino to play gambling. And yes, the latest TOS updates from Stake.com are provided when users log in to their accounts so that users can immediately read and understand them before they start gambling.

And other reputable casinos will also do the same because it means that the casino has given notice to all its users. And if a user is complaining about a change happening in their casino, they probably still need to read about the change in the TOS so they are complaining about the problem.

[Slow death]

Reputable casinos will notify all their users if they make changes to their TOS so that their users can know and read the changes.

in most casinos, maybe I wouldn't even be wrong if I said that more than 90% of all casinos that exist in this cryptocurrency market have put in their TOS that they reserve the right to change the TOS without prior notice to customers, being so this forces every person to see the TOS every day, see that this is something that makes no sense since when people create an account they read the tos and agree with what is at that moment in the tos, but many casinos are they take advantage of this and put a section in the tos where it says that the casino reserves the right to change the tos without prior notice

if it were in the real world or in companies regulated by the government, this part of the tos would not be valid, but even in the casino of the casinos that are licensed to operate worldwide or at least in most countries of the world, then it is difficult to know in court the customers would have to complain about this kind of things in case some casino confiscates their fund using tos that was changed after the customer created an account. this is one of the disadvantages of using online casinos that are new and use everything against customers

in addition to that part of the tos that says that the casino reserves the right to change the tos without notifying people, in casinos there is also a part in the tos that says that the casino can confiscate the customer's money in case the casino detects any suspicious activity . but it's kind of funny because they don't talk about what they consider suspicious activities, i.e. it gives them the power to confiscate people's funds whenever they want and they never present evidence and nobody asks for proof, I've seen it here on the forum

[panjul07]

I have been reading this allegation of company and casinos changing their terms of service without notifying customers.
Since I have been reading about this, I have never seen a very tangible evidence either by screenshot or by link where such Terms of services were changed without the knowledge of the customers. Almost everything in the discussion is based on assumption and accusation. I haven't seen a real life situation. I do not argue that it cannot happen or it is not happening. But at least I need to see an evidence that it has happened with a certain casino.

It’s very hard to to provide evidence on ToS changes since no one reads it seriously in full every time they play in the casino or even during on the registration when user click agree and read the ToS.

I believe this is why it's important to use only a reputable casino when gambling huge amount to make sure that you will not be cheated by the casino since shady casino usually use ToS to make their way against user that won huge funds against casino. Stake.com ToS update is the best example for notifying all users that they change ToS since they provide notifications during login for easy notified.

Reputable casinos will notify all their users if they make changes to their TOS so that their users can know and read the changes. And the casino will also not try to take advantage of the TOS change because it is not feasible and will affect the trust of its users, who already trust the casino to play gambling. And yes, the latest TOS updates from Stake.com are provided when users log in to their accounts so that users can immediately read and understand them before they start gambling.

And other reputable casinos will also do the same because it means that the casino has given notice to all its users. And if a user is complaining about a change happening in their casino, they probably still need to read about the change in the TOS so they are complaining about the problem.

But most of the time is that the notification is not specific, most casino will only notify that they have just changed the terms but players need to find what is/are the changes.
If this happen, can you as player find the change? You cant, unless you have the full terms before the update.
Even if you have read the whole terms in the beginning, I'm sure that you will not remember all the things and you wont notice if there is a change.
Casino should notify and specify the changes to be fair, but most of the time we will not get the detail.

[Lanatsa]

I have been reading this allegation of company and casinos changing their terms of service without notifying customers.
Since I have been reading about this, I have never seen a very tangible evidence either by screenshot or by link where such Terms of services were changed without the knowledge of the customers. Almost everything in the discussion is based on assumption and accusation. I haven't seen a real life situation. I do not argue that it cannot happen or it is not happening. But at least I need to see an evidence that it has happened with a certain casino.

It’s very hard to to provide evidence on ToS changes since no one reads it seriously in full every time they play in the casino or even during on the registration when user click agree and read the ToS.

I believe this is why it's important to use only a reputable casino when gambling huge amount to make sure that you will not be cheated by the casino since shady casino usually use ToS to make their way against user that won huge funds against casino. Stake.com ToS update is the best example for notifying all users that they change ToS since they provide notifications during login for easy notified.

Reputable casinos will notify all their users if they make changes to their TOS so that their users can know and read the changes. And the casino will also not try to take advantage of the TOS change because it is not feasible and will affect the trust of its users, who already trust the casino to play gambling. And yes, the latest TOS updates from Stake.com are provided when users log in to their accounts so that users can immediately read and understand them before they start gambling.

And other reputable casinos will also do the same because it means that the casino has given notice to all its users. And if a user is complaining about a change happening in their casino, they probably still need to read about the change in the TOS so they are complaining about the problem.

But most of the time is that the notification is not specific, most casino will only notify that they have just changed the terms but players need to find what is/are the changes.
If this happen, can you as player find the change? You cant, unless you have the full terms before the update.
Even if you have read the whole terms in the beginning, I'm sure that you will not remember all the things and you wont notice if there is a change.
Casino should notify and specify the changes to be fair, but most of the time we will not get the detail.

It totally agree into this point on which not all people or gambler would really be able to remember on what they do have read up with those TOS earlier or on the time that they had registered on the site but

somewhat they would really be focusing into those details like having no KYC or restricted countries or making use of VPN will really be their main concern and tends to check it out on which it isnt really that
new that each one of us would really be in concern with these things. If ever there would be some changes then its true that they should really be that specific at least if they do really want for their players to be wary about those changes. It do really sucks if you do find yourself get caught on some problems just because you had missed out on that sudden change of terms but its true that not all would really be that mindful about such changes. If ever the site or platform would really be providing out those changes or notifications then it would really be just that nice for its players to be able to know on what changes
and this it would be always be that best if you would really be able to see and for the sake of transparency then this is whats recommended or preferred.

[Bushdark]

There's a usual line related to terms and conditions, "some terms might be changed or modified without noticing users".

The casino does have the right to modify or add new terms and conditions without agreement with the user, but the new policy must not be detrimental to the user, the casino still acts fairly and is responsible for paying the jackpot withdrawal without making it difficult for any reason. We may not be able to do anything if the casino decides to unilaterally harm the user, but we have control to report the casino to the community by including valid evidence, the casino will lose its users because gamblers do not use casinos that harm users, without users gambling will not operate and slowly the casino will go bankrupt unless the casinos fix everything before the big trouble comes along.

For me though, I believe that casinos does have such power or right to modify their terms and conditions, and not inform their users about it, only if they have specifically and categorically made it clear in their terms and conditions that, they have a right to modify the terms and conditions without prior or aftermath notice to their users, and also make it clear to their users that its is their responsibility to periodically go through the terms and conditions to stay updated with latest and unannounced changes.

I believe with such a line as the above included in the terms and conditions, users who read it and still go ahead to agree to it are doing or did so at their own peril, because personally, i legitimate casino with no interior or scam motives will not include such a line, but must make sure to announce to their users when their terms and conditions is going to be updated, or notify their users when they have modified their terms and conditions, i mean it cost nothing to do so aside sending out  a couple of buck emails.

Some terms and conditions can be very elongated to the extent that you might keep getting yourself confused if care is not taken.
This is why it is very important for us to use simple casinos that will not stressed us with a lot of articles to read and comprehend.
There are some casinos that doesn't send updates on terms and conditions to customers, most time it is done selectively especially by dubious casinos using that to make some gamblers to lose big funds since they are not aware of the new update.

[Wiwo]

Changing of terms and conditions without notifying the users or gamblers is normal with online gambling websites? Then when you did something wrong or about to withdraw your money they will tell you that you don't read their terms and conditions, and you start arguing with them until you decide to read the ToS again and you find out that it's different.

If a gambling site changes its terms and conditions, it must notify the customer via email. sites that are reportable and trustworthy must do this. And if they don't do this and any user has problem because of it then the gambling site will be responsible.  But we have to be careful about it and when they ask to agree on any condition, we have to read those reasons carefully. In that case there will be less chance of problems

I have been reading this allegation of company and casinos changing their terms of service without notifying customers.
Since I have been reading about this, I have never seen a very tangible evidence either by screenshot or by link where such Terms of services were changed without the knowledge of the customers. Almost everything in the discussion is based on assumption and accusation. I haven't seen a real life situation. I do not argue that it cannot happen or it is not happening. But at least I need to see an evidence that it has happened with a certain casino.

A couple of companies that involves in this kind of practice are already known with red flags to warn others from falling victim to their ethic of practice that always left the customers at lost at all time and due to their constant editing and changing of terms and conditions just to favour the casino's shady practices, the team behind such casinos already have insider law enforcer who helps them cover up from their case getting escalated so even if aggrieved players should make a report against such site to the law enforcement agency, their wint pick the case up by bringing such casino to book.

This has paused a high limitation on how those who are cheated using this practice get justice, so even if you have all the evidence, getting justice and possible recovery will be hard at some point.

[danadc]

Changing of terms and conditions without notifying the users or gamblers is normal with online gambling websites? Then when you did something wrong or about to withdraw your money they will tell you that you don't read their terms and conditions, and you start arguing with them until you decide to read the ToS again and you find out that it's different.

If a gambling site changes its terms and conditions, it must notify the customer via email. sites that are reportable and trustworthy must do this. And if they don't do this and any user has problem because of it then the gambling site will be responsible.  But we have to be careful about it and when they ask to agree on any condition, we have to read those reasons carefully. In that case there will be less chance of problems

I have been reading this allegation of company and casinos changing their terms of service without notifying customers.
Since I have been reading about this, I have never seen a very tangible evidence either by screenshot or by link where such Terms of services were changed without the knowledge of the customers. Almost everything in the discussion is based on assumption and accusation. I haven't seen a real life situation. I do not argue that it cannot happen or it is not happening. But at least I need to see an evidence that it has happened with a certain casino.

A couple of companies that involves in this kind of practice are already known with red flags to warn others from falling victim to their ethic of practice that always left the customers at lost at all time and due to their constant editing and changing of terms and conditions just to favour the casino's shady practices, the team behind such casinos already have insider law enforcer who helps them cover up from their case getting escalated so even if aggrieved players should make a report against such site to the law enforcement agency, their wint pick the case up by bringing such casino to book.

This has paused a high limitation on how those who are cheated using this practice get justice, so even if you have all the evidence, getting justice and possible recovery will be hard at some point.

That Information is very good , so what organization is it? the SEC or something like that ? Because in General these are the Organizations that Give hard to the sites that are fraudulent , and here is when all that KYC is Justified , the Licenses that everyone talks about and Especially the things that possibly Natural persons do to have more security , this is the story that Everyone is Given so that they can do the KYC , that the Security that now Everything is more Reliable and all those things that they Always promote, in this order of ideas we as Good players must have Completely Things are Clear When playing in a Casino like this , but it is good That they Inform which is the Entity that does that.

[LUCKMCFLY]

Reputable casinos will notify all their users if they make changes to their TOS so that their users can know and read the changes.

in most casinos, maybe I wouldn't even be wrong if I said that more than 90% of all casinos that exist in this cryptocurrency market have put in their TOS that they reserve the right to change the TOS without prior notice to customers, being so this forces every person to see the TOS every day, see that this is something that makes no sense since when people create an account they read the tos and agree with what is at that moment in the tos, but many casinos are they take advantage of this and put a section in the tos where it says that the casino reserves the right to change the tos without prior notice

if it were in the real world or in companies regulated by the government, this part of the tos would not be valid, but even in the casino of the casinos that are licensed to operate worldwide or at least in most countries of the world, then it is difficult to know in court the customers would have to complain about this kind of things in case some casino confiscates their fund using tos that was changed after the customer created an account. this is one of the disadvantages of using online casinos that are new and use everything against customers

in addition to that part of the tos that says that the casino reserves the right to change the tos without notifying people, in casinos there is also a part in the tos that says that the casino can confiscate the customer's money in case the casino detects any suspicious activity . but it's kind of funny because they don't talk about what they consider suspicious activities, i.e. it gives them the power to confiscate people's funds whenever they want and they never present evidence and nobody asks for proof, I've seen it here on the forum

Well, what you say is a well-known reality, as far as I am concerned, I am a person who, when it comes to casinos, now I read everything that has been and will be, to avoid bad times in the future, because it just so happens that if something extraordinary happens in our favor, then the casino comes out that it was an error, or a bug or that due to the change in Tos things cannot be done as one wants but as determined by the casino, if a casino changes the rules of the game at any moment without prior and obvious notification that this is an abuse and absurd because they do things so badly because they have to change the rules so that later the changes show that the change they made is within the normal range? It seems to me that it is illegal, dishonest and quite primitive because things like this will only lead to a bad outcome of things, for this reason I always have to be very careful with that, it is not that we check them every day Cough, because that would be something That doesn't make sense, not to me, apart from the fact that I don't like to be reading the same thing all the time, it's another reason, and when a person agrees to comply with the Tos, they should at least notify that when changes are made, the player you must accept those new rules.

Regarding suspicious activities, it is always good that we as players always keep in mind that any activity that a casino considers suspicious is not a big deal, for a casino suspicious activity, what can it be? enter with a VPN? And if the person is traveling and is in a country where they are not allowed to enter the casino, but they have their account, then they have the right to enter from a VPN because if they are in an important tournament, then they will not be able to enter? Or that a person tries to withdraw every time he wins something, why can't he do it? Or so that person tries to make several deposits, so he can't do it? These are things that I will never understand why a casino considers an activity suspicious.

[serjent05]

Regarding suspicious activities, it is always good that we as players always keep in mind that any activity that a casino considers suspicious is not a big deal, for a casino suspicious activity, what can it be? enter with a VPN? And if the person is traveling and is in a country where they are not allowed to enter the casino, but they have their account, then they have the right to enter from a VPN because if they are in an important tournament, then they will not be able to enter? Or that a person tries to withdraw every time he wins something, why can't he do it? Or so that person tries to make several deposits, so he can't do it? These are things that I will never understand why a casino considers an activity suspicious.

In case there is a suspicion, it shouldn't be thought of as not a big deal.  Once you are suspected by the casino, you will be monitored and possibly unable to access your acount until the suspicion is cleared.  With regards to the use of VPN, we must clarify first if it is allowed to use VPN or not.  We will be in trouble if we happen to use a VPN thinking that it is ok since we are not in the restricted area but find out that any means of VPN usage is not accepted by the casino.  This will bring trouble in your account, so we must always think first and inquire before using anything that can possibly jeopardize our account.

[DoublerHunter]

Regarding suspicious activities, it is always good that we as players always keep in mind that any activity that a casino considers suspicious is not a big deal, for a casino suspicious activity, what can it be? enter with a VPN? And if the person is traveling and is in a country where they are not allowed to enter the casino, but they have their account, then they have the right to enter from a VPN because if they are in an important tournament, then they will not be able to enter? Or that a person tries to withdraw every time he wins something, why can't he do it? Or so that person tries to make several deposits, so he can't do it? These are things that I will never understand why a casino considers an activity suspicious.

In case there is a suspicion, it shouldn't be thought of as not a big deal.  Once you are suspected by the casino, you will be monitored and possibly unable to access your acount until the suspicion is cleared.  With regards to the use of VPN, we must clarify first if it is allowed to use VPN or not.  We will be in trouble if we happen to use a VPN thinking that it is ok since we are not in the restricted area but find out that any means of VPN usage is not accepted by the casino.  This will bring trouble in your account, so we must always think first and inquire before using anything that can possibly jeopardize our account.

^I agree with this and for me, when a casino raises suspicion about an activity, it is definitely not something to dismiss lightly. Any suspicion can lead to serious consequences, including monitoring of your account and potential restrictions on access until the matter is resolved.
The use of VPNs is a prime example of something that should be approached with caution. While you probably think it is acceptable to use a VPN because you are not in a restricted area, casinos often have specific policies about VPN usage due to the potential for abuse or misrepresentation. It is always crucial to clarify the casino's stance on VPN usage before employing one, to avoid inadvertently causing trouble for your account. So, therefore, it is better to understand very well the TOS.

[LUCKMCFLY]

Gambling with cryptocurrency has many advantages over gambling with fiat currency. It is of the highest interest among gamblers especially for quick payouts. However in both ways a gambler has to make KYC. I don't need to worry about KYC in the best gambling platforms. Because they provide good service for which their site has high reputation. KYC is an important factor in any gambling or casino platform, online or offline. There is no option of gambling by ignoring it.

There might be some options available right now for gamblers to gamble without completing KYC verification, but there won't be any in the future, so it's better if people start getting used to the habit of completing KYC verification at trusted platforms so that they don't have issues doing it in the future. Regulations have been catching every single platform lately, authorities are even eyeing decentralized platforms to be regulated in the future, so there won't be any left.

As you said, one shouldn't really have any issues doing KYC verification at a platform that is trusted and they know it wouldn't misuse their personal information and documents, and it's better to avoid new and untrustworthy platforms if they are asking for KYC verification, if they don't ask for it, one might try them out.

Now I began to adhere to the following opinion: When it comes to gambling using cryptocurrencies, then KYC verification is definitely evil and a bad solution to the issue.  If the game is with cryptocurrency payments, then you need to maintain a certain level of anonymity.  

But now, after all, an intermediate identification option has appeared and users of WorldCoin wallets are already using it.  In Japan, for example, two days ago there was even a queue of those wishing to receive some of these coins (about $50 at the current exchange rate).  For identification, it was simply necessary to scan the iris of the eyes and that's it.  The recipient of the coins already had his own wallet with these coins after that.  The whole process takes only 8 seconds.
 In my opinion, this identification method is very well suited for use in the cryptocurrency gambling industry and unequivocally guarantees confirmation of the deposit owner if he was registered in such a biometric way.  At the same time, it is not at all necessary to go through KYC in its classical sense, that is, indicating the name, surname, other passport data, and even more so sending all kinds of photographs of the face or even video.  
I don’t know which cryptocurrency casino will be the first to master this method of identification, but I hope such casinos will start to appear more and more.

I agree with what you say, with crypto there must always be a model of anonymity and privacy, it is not that anything we do with crypto is already known in the government or in some entities, whether they are banks, because That lends itself to many things, to collect taxes, to follow up, to see when you can win or lose, and to see how they do to take a part of that, and actually this technology was invented by Satoshi to bypass all Kinds of Regulations that It comes from Governments and third-party entities, which are Essentially in control of Everything, so if we Always Collaborate with KYC regulations, what was the use of all Satoshi's efforts? Although I can say something, the crypto, especially bitcoin jam's A government can have control, and fortunately things are like that, because it is not fair that it has it, apart from the fact that the conditions under which they are done must always be very strict, so if we start accepting fiat money conditions in crypto, it does not lose satoshi, loses is the person who does and accepts what a government tells him.

In part, it will always be very good to have a cypto account that a casino that is under a totally fiat currency, because the deposits with credit cards , with Deposits and bank Transfers , all this will be seen by the entities related to the government , so it is not the idea either, well at least it doesn't seem to me because it seems to me that things should be with respect to money that the government or any type of bajnco or something like that have control over our finances, although there are people who don't even pay attention to telling them all that They or some of them prefer to remain under the yoke of a bank, third parties or even worse that a government imposes on them, that is why I have always had a very irreverent attitude regarding these things, because a government will never Prepare for uqe give it benefits to your people, it is a lie and even so in some countries people Kill themselves for their rulers, which I see as a rather ridiculous attitude, but everyone knows what they want , what they think is Something very free and Everyone will learn when I should Learn..

[Wiwo]

Regarding suspicious activities, it is always good that we as players always keep in mind that any activity that a casino considers suspicious is not a big deal, for a casino suspicious activity, what can it be? enter with a VPN? And if the person is traveling and is in a country where they are not allowed to enter the casino, but they have their account, then they have the right to enter from a VPN because if they are in an important tournament, then they will not be able to enter? Or that a person tries to withdraw every time he wins something, why can't he do it? Or so that person tries to make several deposits, so he can't do it? These are things that I will never understand why a casino considers an activity suspicious.

In case there is a suspicion, it shouldn't be thought of as not a big deal.  Once you are suspected by the casino, you will be monitored and possibly unable to access your acount until the suspicion is cleared.  With regards to the use of VPN, we must clarify first if it is allowed to use VPN or not.  We will be in trouble if we happen to use a VPN thinking that it is ok since we are not in the restricted area but find out that any means of VPN usage is not accepted by the casino.  This will bring trouble in your account, so we must always think first and inquire before using anything that can possibly jeopardize our account.

The case with VPN usage can mostly be dealt with when it involve new accounts since most of those that use VPN also use it to create multiple accounts on the casino either to claimabuses or abusing the casino with such bonuses, This is aside from the other fact that those that use VPN do so to avoid restrictions.

But in a case where the account is already a verified one,  the player can use a VPN to gamble freely from anywhere that way,  the casino already knows that such a gambler is doing so with clear intentions.

Some casino permits the use of VPN but also outlines its limitation and usage restrictions

[khaled0111]

Changing of terms and conditions without notifying the users or gamblers is normal with online gambling websites?

No, it's not normal and not acceptable.
Any reputable casino or any other service provider must inform its users about any updates in their terms of service. They must also mention when the last time their terms were updated. Besides new terms and rules should not have a retroactive effect. Any company that doesn't do this does not respect its customers and it should be avoided at all costs.

[famososMuertos]

I remember that some time ago I made a thread about notifications: which was the best way. 1.email,  2.internal message in the casino, or 3.any other way lik, e.g. msm via Telegram, etc... even on social networks, that is vital to be able to believe that they did not do it in bad faith.

There are casinos that do that, so you have to look for it, there they are, although in effect sometimes we go through that bad information that never arrives and then it is as you say, but as I already said it can happen to you once, it is avoided by looking for Casinos that have it largest way of information, come on! It is digital, so, it is easy to make the notification through all these ways.

[OgNasty]

Changing of terms and conditions without notifying the users or gamblers is normal with online gambling websites?

No, it's not normal and not acceptable.
Any reputable casino or any other service provider must inform its users about any updates in their terms of service. They must also mention when the last time their terms were updated. Besides new terms and rules should not have a retroactive effect. Any company that doesn't do this does not respect its customers and it should be avoided at all costs.

They should notify you, but I’m sure they probably do. Some sites have newsletters they email out that you can opt out of. I think they probably don’t want to bother you every time they update their terms. I assume most of the time they’re doing it because they have to legally, not because they’re trying to target their own users.

[Mahanton]

Changing of terms and conditions without notifying the users or gamblers is normal with online gambling websites?

No, it's not normal and not acceptable.
Any reputable casino or any other service provider must inform its users about any updates in their terms of service. They must also mention when the last time their terms were updated. Besides new terms and rules should not have a retroactive effect. Any company that doesn't do this does not respect its customers and it should be avoided at all costs.

They should notify you, but I’m sure they probably do. Some sites have newsletters they email out that you can opt out of. I think they probably don’t want to bother you every time they update their terms. I assume most of the time they’re doing it because they have to legally, not because they’re trying to target their own users.

It is really just that people are really that missing out those information or updates just because they werent able to check out their emails and come in mind that on the time that we do make out some registration then we
do always have that checkbox on subscribing on their email letters which only a few might that be mindful on unticking those boxes because they dont really like to be bombarded with lots of useless emails specially
if you are really that making in use with your main emails on which it would really be that understandable on having this kind of preference. Even myself doesnt really like that but most of the time i do really just let those
email subscription would really be there. Its true that if ever they would be making out changes then it would be preferable if there would really be some pop outs but it would really be just that right if ever there would be
some big changes with those terms but if those are really just minimal ones then i dont see for it to be that really that needed for you to know on whats happening or those changes but for the sake of transparency
then some sites might that mindful about it and would be showing no matter how minimal it would be.

[khaled0111]

They should notify you, but I’m sure they probably do. Some sites have newsletters they email out that you can opt out of. I think they probably don’t want to bother you every time they update their terms. I assume most of the time they’re doing it because they have to legally, not because they’re trying to target their own users.

The ToS is like a contract between the customer and the service provider. If the service provider have to change any of the terms, then they must notify the other party about those changes.
Receiving notifications about ToS changes is not more annoying than receiving promotional emails!
Any change in the content of a contract makes it void.

[goinmerry]

They should notify you, but I’m sure they probably do. Some sites have newsletters they email out that you can opt out of. I think they probably don’t want to bother you every time they update their terms. I assume most of the time they’re doing it because they have to legally, not because they’re trying to target their own users.

I think most of the time, gambling sites do not notify their users.

On the other hand, I'm pretty sure that it's just a rare case where even when we are not notified of the changes in the Terms and Conditions, we are still safe in our usual doings. I also think that in most cases where sites are using the Terms of Service against their users is, if the user won an insane amount and subject to investigation first even the winnings are done fair.

No choice but to comply with what they need. If they tell us some shitty reason why they shouldn't handle the win, let's fight back by exposing their name on various gambling platforms and showing the community all the proof. But I still believe there are lots of trusted sites out there that by just following what they need and being asked, will soon hand out our withdrawals smoothly.

[ethereumhunter]

in most casinos, maybe I wouldn't even be wrong if I said that more than 90% of all casinos that exist in this cryptocurrency market have put in their TOS that they reserve the right to change the TOS without prior notice to customers, being so this forces every person to see the TOS every day, see that this is something that makes no sense since when people create an account they read the tos and agree with what is at that moment in the tos, but many casinos are they take advantage of this and put a section in the tos where it says that the casino reserves the right to change the tos without prior notice

if it were in the real world or in companies regulated by the government, this part of the tos would not be valid, but even in the casino of the casinos that are licensed to operate worldwide or at least in most countries of the world, then it is difficult to know in court the customers would have to complain about this kind of things in case some casino confiscates their fund using tos that was changed after the customer created an account. this is one of the disadvantages of using online casinos that are new and use everything against customers

in addition to that part of the tos that says that the casino reserves the right to change the tos without notifying people, in casinos there is also a part in the tos that says that the casino can confiscate the customer's money in case the casino detects any suspicious activity . but it's kind of funny because they don't talk about what they consider suspicious activities, i.e. it gives them the power to confiscate people's funds whenever they want and they never present evidence and nobody asks for proof, I've seen it here on the forum

Yes, it is true that casinos can change the TOS without prior notification to customers. But it would be better if the casino notifies customers by sending a notification email or a window that appears when they log in. It will be the same as what we get in the Stake so the customer will know that there is a change in the TOS and we are asked to review it and approve it. If we don't agree, we can move to another casino and there is no compulsion from the casino for us to stay and use the casino to gamble. It is a choice for us and we alone know what the choice is.

Each customer is responsible for making sure they agree with the changing TOS so they can choose what to do. Again, no casino forces us to stay in the casino even if the casino changes the rules because we want to gamble in the casino and we know where we want to gamble. We don't need to follow other people to agree to changes in the TOS because that will depend on the comfort we get while gambling at the casino. And if we are comfortable, even if there are TOS changes, we will stay at the casino.

Casinos can confiscate customer money if the casino finds suspicious activity from customers. And the casino can even do it without notifying the customer but it would be better if the casino told the customer. And the casino can show valid evidence to its customers that the casino finds something suspicious in the customer's account so the casino feels the need to ask its customers to do KYC.

But most of the time is that the notification is not specific, most casino will only notify that they have just changed the terms but players need to find what is/are the changes.
If this happen, can you as player find the change? You cant, unless you have the full terms before the update.
Even if you have read the whole terms in the beginning, I'm sure that you will not remember all the things and you wont notice if there is a change.
Casino should notify and specify the changes to be fair, but most of the time we will not get the detail.

Players need to check further to find out what the rules have changed. If you don't find it, you can contact the support service so they can point out any changes in the rules and the support service will be happy to show us. We should be more active in finding out and not asking the casino to show it, even though we can contact support. That's why the casino has a support service that is always ready to help its customers if they find something they need help understanding so that the support service can explain it in detail to its customers. But still, we are the ones who have to be responsible for everything we do at the casino.

[piebeyb]

They should notify you, but I’m sure they probably do. Some sites have newsletters they email out that you can opt out of. I think they probably don’t want to bother you every time they update their terms. I assume most of the time they’re doing it because they have to legally, not because they’re trying to target their own users.

I think most of the time, gambling sites do not notify their users.

Usually it only happens to small casinos, it won't happen to big casinos, which of course protect their reputation better, so they have to be transparent in changing the TOS, whatever that is, it's important for users to know, because if it's done without the user knowing, it's certain that the casino has the intention to cheat users, then from that's probably something that we often only find in small casinos.

No big casino so far I've seen Closed silent on TOS changes because I play in some big casinos almost on average they update TOS always announce it via email to users or through their site for users to read the rules and terms that apply, therefore why it is highly recommended to play in casinos that have a high reputation as opposed to new and small casinos.

[LUCKMCFLY]

Regarding suspicious activities, it is always good that we as players always keep in mind that any activity that a casino considers suspicious is not a big deal, for a casino suspicious activity, what can it be? enter with a VPN? And if the person is traveling and is in a country where they are not allowed to enter the casino, but they have their account, then they have the right to enter from a VPN because if they are in an important tournament, then they will not be able to enter? Or that a person tries to withdraw every time he wins something, why can't he do it? Or so that person tries to make several deposits, so he can't do it? These are things that I will never understand why a casino considers an activity suspicious.

In case there is a suspicion, it shouldn't be thought of as not a big deal.  Once you are suspected by the casino, you will be monitored and possibly unable to access your acount until the suspicion is cleared.  With regards to the use of VPN, we must clarify first if it is allowed to use VPN or not.  We will be in trouble if we happen to use a VPN thinking that it is ok since we are not in the restricted area but find out that any means of VPN usage is not accepted by the casino.  This will bring trouble in your account, so we must always think first and inquire before using anything that can possibly jeopardize our account.

The case with VPN usage can mostly be dealt with when it involve new accounts since most of those that use VPN also use it to create multiple accounts on the casino either to claimabuses or abusing the casino with such bonuses, This is aside from the other fact that those that use VPN do so to avoid restrictions.

But in a case where the account is already a verified one,  the player can use a VPN to gamble freely from anywhere that way,  the casino already knows that such a gambler is doing so with clear intentions.

Some casino permits the use of VPN but also outlines its limitation and usage restrictions

Yes, it is very true, in fact there are casinos such as Bitcasino that have their own blog where they have very interesting articles and there is one in particular that talks about VPNs and casinos, how is it that they do accept the use of the VPN without any problem, which I applaud because I think that it is that they value the fact that they use the VPN and accept it much more than other casinos, this should be an example for other casinos, so that they can do something similar and so on take the lead, I believe that people who do this with a VPN and skip the priorities that their own countries have imposed on them that prevent them from entering to play in a casino, because I consider that entering a casino is not something that asks to be considered as illegal, if we don't see it from a much deeper perspective, we realize that governments always look for excuses to have control over people, not only crypto, and especially eprsoans that use bitcoin, they also mess with something that is fun, the casinos, they want to regulate, they want to know every movie, and if they do not submit to their licenses, then they simply do not operate in that country, what absurd things, but like that It is, what seems totally absurd is that a casino adheres to that and does not allow the use of the casino to people from countries that are considered banned.

I am very surprised that the USA is one of the countries that is usually suspended in some casinos, in the case of stake.us it is a great option that you have so that you can do things right there, it offers you the same services and operates From the USA, this is a great achievement, but apart from the USA you can see many efforts by people from other countries, in China, African countries, some South American countries where they are permanently banned, which I don't see sense in, However, as I said before, I applaud those casinos that do allow the use of VPN, and that allow free taste so that people from other countries have that freedom to play.

[delfastTions]

Regarding suspicious activities, it is always good that we as players always keep in mind that any activity that a casino considers suspicious is not a big deal, for a casino suspicious activity, what can it be? enter with a VPN? And if the person is traveling and is in a country where they are not allowed to enter the casino, but they have their account, then they have the right to enter from a VPN because if they are in an important tournament, then they will not be able to enter? Or that a person tries to withdraw every time he wins something, why can't he do it? Or so that person tries to make several deposits, so he can't do it? These are things that I will never understand why a casino considers an activity suspicious.

In case there is a suspicion, it shouldn't be thought of as not a big deal.  Once you are suspected by the casino, you will be monitored and possibly unable to access your acount until the suspicion is cleared.  With regards to the use of VPN, we must clarify first if it is allowed to use VPN or not.  We will be in trouble if we happen to use a VPN thinking that it is ok since we are not in the restricted area but find out that any means of VPN usage is not accepted by the casino.  This will bring trouble in your account, so we must always think first and inquire before using anything that can possibly jeopardize our account.

The case with VPN usage can mostly be dealt with when it involve new accounts since most of those that use VPN also use it to create multiple accounts on the casino either to claimabuses or abusing the casino with such bonuses, This is aside from the other fact that those that use VPN do so to avoid restrictions.

But in a case where the account is already a verified one,  the player can use a VPN to gamble freely from anywhere that way,  the casino already knows that such a gambler is doing so with clear intentions.

Some casino permits the use of VPN but also outlines its limitation and usage restrictions

Yes, it is very true, in fact there are casinos such as Bitcasino that have their own blog where they have very interesting articles and there is one in particular that talks about VPNs and casinos, how is it that they do accept the use of the VPN without any problem, which I applaud because I think that it is that they value the fact that they use the VPN and accept it much more than other casinos, this should be an example for other casinos, so that they can do something similar and so on take the lead, I believe that people who do this with a VPN and skip the priorities that their own countries have imposed on them that prevent them from entering to play in a casino, because I consider that entering a casino is not something that asks to be considered as illegal, if we don't see it from a much deeper perspective, we realize that governments always look for excuses to have control over people, not only crypto, and especially eprsoans that use bitcoin, they also mess with something that is fun, the casinos, they want to regulate, they want to know every movie, and if they do not submit to their licenses, then they simply do not operate in that country, what absurd things, but like that It is, what seems totally absurd is that a casino adheres to that and does not allow the use of the casino to people from countries that are considered banned.

I am very surprised that the USA is one of the countries that is usually suspended in some casinos, in the case of stake.us it is a great option that you have so that you can do things right there, it offers you the same services and operates From the USA, this is a great achievement, but apart from the USA you can see many efforts by people from other countries, in China, African countries, some South American countries where they are permanently banned, which I don't see sense in, However, as I said before, I applaud those casinos that do allow the use of VPN, and that allow free taste so that people from other countries have that freedom to play.

This raises a natural question: if a player uses a VPN, then this automatically means that he either simply bypasses possible blocking of the casino site in the country where he really lives. 
Or it may be an option that such a player, in principle, wants to remain completely anonymous and even tries to hide the real country where he is located.  So in this second case there is one very unpleasant contradiction.  It lies in the fact that if a player wins a large amount in a casino, then it is very likely that the casino will require him to undergo the KYC procedure and fully reveal his identity. 
Otherwise, he will not be allowed to transfer the money won to his wallet.  In this case, the use of a VPN will obviously create problems with identification.  In particular, for this reason, as I think, the casino may well find fault and begin to oppose the payment of this winnings in every possible way.  At the same time, the natural question from the casino is, why did the player actually use VPN at all? 
If the player simply bypassed the blocking of the site of this casino, adopted by the decision of the regulatory authorities of the country, then the player violated local laws and regulations, but if he hides his identity in case of receiving undeclared income from winnings, and uses a VPN, then he also violates local laws. 
As a result, everything turns out badly.

[Slow death]

in most casinos, maybe I wouldn't even be wrong if I said that more than 90% of all casinos that exist in this cryptocurrency market have put in their TOS that they reserve the right to change the TOS without prior notice to customers, being so this forces every person to see the TOS every day, see that this is something that makes no sense since when people create an account they read the tos and agree with what is at that moment in the tos, but many casinos are they take advantage of this and put a section in the tos where it says that the casino reserves the right to change the tos without prior notice

if it were in the real world or in companies regulated by the government, this part of the tos would not be valid, but even in the casino of the casinos that are licensed to operate worldwide or at least in most countries of the world, then it is difficult to know in court the customers would have to complain about this kind of things in case some casino confiscates their fund using tos that was changed after the customer created an account. this is one of the disadvantages of using online casinos that are new and use everything against customers

in addition to that part of the tos that says that the casino reserves the right to change the tos without notifying people, in casinos there is also a part in the tos that says that the casino can confiscate the customer's money in case the casino detects any suspicious activity . but it's kind of funny because they don't talk about what they consider suspicious activities, i.e. it gives them the power to confiscate people's funds whenever they want and they never present evidence and nobody asks for proof, I've seen it here on the forum

Yes, it is true that casinos can change the TOS without prior notification to customers. But it would be better if the casino notifies customers by sending a notification email or a window that appears when they log in. It will be the same as what we get in the Stake so the customer will know that there is a change in the TOS and we are asked to review it and approve it. If we don't agree, we can move to another casino and there is no compulsion from the casino for us to stay and use the casino to gamble. It is a choice for us and we alone know what the choice is.

Each customer is responsible for making sure they agree with the changing TOS so they can choose what to do. Again, no casino forces us to stay in the casino even if the casino changes the rules because we want to gamble in the casino and we know where we want to gamble. We don't need to follow other people to agree to changes in the TOS because that will depend on the comfort we get while gambling at the casino. And if we are comfortable, even if there are TOS changes, we will stay at the casino.

Casinos can confiscate customer money if the casino finds suspicious activity from customers. And the casino can even do it without notifying the customer but it would be better if the casino told the customer. And the casino can show valid evidence to its customers that the casino finds something suspicious in the customer's account so the casino feels the need to ask its customers to do KYC.

talking about suspicious activities, I have often seen in the totes of many casinos talk about suspicious activities, but in the same totes of the casinos they do not talk in detail about what exactly they consider to be suspicious activities and in case any account is detected any suspicious activity what kind of evidence the casino will show the customer and also the types of punishment the casino will apply, if the casinos gave details about this it would have saved people a lot of headaches. but unfortunately many casinos don't do this, and the reason they don't do it in my opinion is because many casinos use their TOS as a weapon

for example a person deposits $1,000,000 in the casino, at that moment the casino will not ask for kyc and will not detect any suspicious activity, so that person plays in the casino and loses all money, the casino will not ask that person to kyc and will not accuse that person person of having done something suspicious, but if the same person months later deposits 1,000,000$ and plays in the casino and wins something like 3x and keeps 3,000,000$ and then withdraws the money, then at that time kyc will be asked and when will this person hands over their documents and everything is fine, then the casino will use its most reliable and accurate weapon, the TOS and not all, the casino will accuse the customer of having done something suspicious

and the casino will not show evidence of what the customer is accusing, the casino's argument is that they cannot show evidence because that would expose the system that the casino uses to detect cheaters, so that person's funds stay with the casino, this happens a lot in new casinos, and even with some established casinos. unfortunately we do not have a company that moderates conflicts of this type, a third party that would be reliable and that the casinos would show evidence and thus have more transparency in this market

[Lanatsa]

They should notify you, but I’m sure they probably do. Some sites have newsletters they email out that you can opt out of. I think they probably don’t want to bother you every time they update their terms. I assume most of the time they’re doing it because they have to legally, not because they’re trying to target their own users.

I think most of the time, gambling sites do not notify their users.

On the other hand, I'm pretty sure that it's just a rare case where even when we are not notified of the changes in the Terms and Conditions, we are still safe in our usual doings. I also think that in most cases where sites are using the Terms of Service against their users is, if the user won an insane amount and subject to investigation first even the winnings are done fair.

No choice but to comply with what they need. If they tell us some shitty reason why they shouldn't handle the win, let's fight back by exposing their name on various gambling platforms and showing the community all the proof. But I still believe there are lots of trusted sites out there that by just following what they need and being asked, will soon hand out our withdrawals smoothly.

If there are some slight changes then for sure they wont really be making out some announcement but if it does have that significant change then it would be definitely be announced whether on-site or via email.

Most of the time it wont really be that be told about those changes yet usually changes made doesnt really give out much impact or effect into its users unless if this one changes on restricted countries
or to those compulsory KYC then it would really be something that will really be told about. If a certain casino do make out those kind of reasoning about violating some terms and conditions and you havent been able to read it up earlier then there's no way that you do have the confidence on fighting or making some reasoning just because you had just simply missed out on reading it out on the first place.

This is why it would really be that always important that you should be reading up those TOS on the time that you do play so that at least that you are really that able to be aware
if there are some changes made if ever they would be throwing up those kind of issues or violations into you.

[kotajikikox]

Changing of terms and conditions without notifying the users or gamblers is normal with online gambling websites? Then when you did something wrong or about to withdraw your money they will tell you that you don't read their terms and conditions, and you start arguing with them until you decide to read the ToS again and you find out that it's different.

this will only shows how tricky those site is , it is normal to change TOS without notifying player , but the tricky part here is when they just changed that said terms after someone wins big and need to withdraw.
that makes them an obvious scammer/cheater.

Some gambling websites consist of wicked owners that willingly plan to defraud their users using the ToS against them, or is this normal? Have such happened to anyone on this forum before?

don't worry mate , eventually ? this will turns against them because the players itself will learn and let the world knows about theit attitude and surely , will let their players leave them and also no new visitors may enters.

[ethereumhunter]

talking about suspicious activities, I have often seen in the totes of many casinos talk about suspicious activities, but in the same totes of the casinos they do not talk in detail about what exactly they consider to be suspicious activities and in case any account is detected any suspicious activity what kind of evidence the casino will show the customer and also the types of punishment the casino will apply, if the casinos gave details about this it would have saved people a lot of headaches. but unfortunately many casinos don't do this, and the reason they don't do it in my opinion is because many casinos use their TOS as a weapon

for example a person deposits $1,000,000 in the casino, at that moment the casino will not ask for kyc and will not detect any suspicious activity, so that person plays in the casino and loses all money, the casino will not ask that person to kyc and will not accuse that person person of having done something suspicious, but if the same person months later deposits 1,000,000$ and plays in the casino and wins something like 3x and keeps 3,000,000$ and then withdraws the money, then at that time kyc will be asked and when will this person hands over their documents and everything is fine, then the casino will use its most reliable and accurate weapon, the TOS and not all, the casino will accuse the customer of having done something suspicious

and the casino will not show evidence of what the customer is accusing, the casino's argument is that they cannot show evidence because that would expose the system that the casino uses to detect cheaters, so that person's funds stay with the casino, this happens a lot in new casinos, and even with some established casinos. unfortunately we do not have a company that moderates conflicts of this type, a third party that would be reliable and that the casinos would show evidence and thus have more transparency in this market

I doubt the casino will go into detail about what suspicious activity the casino has found, especially if you ask about it at support. They will only say that they found suspicious activity carried out by a gambler so they are forced to ask for a more complete clarification from the gambler, including asking them to do KYC if necessary. And if the gambler really didn't do anything that he was accused of, he can do KYC to prove it. If he really didn't do the things that he was accused of, the casino should immediately process his KYC and approve the verification and process the withdrawal of money. But if that happens in a shady casino, the casino will still not do anything and will even freeze the gambler's account so he can't do anything and the gambler can only complain about the problem without any resolution.

If the deposit was made by someone who just joined their casino in the past few days, it would obviously raise the suspicions of the casino so that the casino will ask him to do KYC. The gambler shouldn't do something like that because depositing a lot of money in a casino where he is new will raise suspicions and it is better for him to avoid it first. He has to wait until at least a month or so not to deposit big money and only make small to mid deposit or he can increase his deposit gradually so the casino doesn't suspect him. But the casino will still ask him to do KYC verification if he exceeds the limit in the casino because it has become a kind of obligation that the gamblers must fulfil.

In this case, the casino has the authority and not a third party because it has nothing to do with it. But it happens more often in shady casinos because they will easily accuse their customers of activity and have to go through a thorough vetting process which can take up to weeks. This makes its customers feel uncomfortable because they have to wait a long time and even though they ask the casino the same thing through the support service, their answer is the same and they are told to wait.

[BenCodie]

They should notify you, but I’m sure they probably do. Some sites have newsletters they email out that you can opt out of. I think they probably don’t want to bother you every time they update their terms. I assume most of the time they’re doing it because they have to legally, not because they’re trying to target their own users.

I think most of the time, gambling sites do not notify their users.

On the other hand, I'm pretty sure that it's just a rare case where even when we are not notified of the changes in the Terms and Conditions, we are still safe in our usual doings. I also think that in most cases where sites are using the Terms of Service against their users is, if the user won an insane amount and subject to investigation first even the winnings are done fair.

No choice but to comply with what they need. If they tell us some shitty reason why they shouldn't handle the win, let's fight back by exposing their name on various gambling platforms and showing the community all the proof. But I still believe there are lots of trusted sites out there that by just following what they need and being asked, will soon hand out our withdrawals smoothly.

Even if users are informed of changes in terms of service, a vast majority of users would not pay attention to it because usually, they don't include what has been changed...Just that it has been changed. So, users must re-read the document that they most likely did not read when they ticked "agree" upon signing up.

I am working on a thread that will list active, valid and unresolved complaints about TOS and non-TOS related account closures and suspensions. Hopefully this will open peoples eyes to the amount of complaints that have been submitted about a large portion of the casinos in this board.

[LUCKMCFLY]

Changing of terms and conditions without notifying the users or gamblers is normal with online gambling websites? Then when you did something wrong or about to withdraw your money they will tell you that you don't read their terms and conditions, and you start arguing with them until you decide to read the ToS again and you find out that it's different.

this will only shows how tricky those site is , it is normal to change TOS without notifying player , but the tricky part here is when they just changed that said terms after someone wins big and need to withdraw.
that makes them an obvious scammer/cheater.

Some gambling websites consist of wicked owners that willingly plan to defraud their users using the ToS against them, or is this normal? Have such happened to anyone on this forum before?

don't worry mate , eventually ? this will turns against them because the players itself will learn and let the world knows about theit attitude and surely , will let their players leave them and also no new visitors may enters.

Well, the truth is I don't know why it says that casinos can change their Tos and without notifying, I'm not saying anything that the Tos can be changed in the bonuses, that one bonus is different from another, but, I think that the Tos in a site like A casino that is like its rules, its laws, is like changing the constitution of a country without consulting the Ubelo in order to do it, what we commonly call a dictatorship, which is the case in some countries, but even a casino is not willing to do things like that Because as you say, when they do it that way, it is so that the player has no chance of being victorious under any scheme, and this is not the idea either, the casino already has its house advantage, and a player wins when he wins. It is because he was lucky, he persevered and won, and that must be recognized and they must do everything necessary so that he can withdraw his money, because once a player loses, I have not seen a single casino that says that it was their mistake and that they will return the deinor to their euna, that does not happen anywhere.

So with respect to the other thing you are talking about, it is very true, if there is a casino that defrauds its players, it is very easy for that casino to lose, no matter the great heavy machinery in fucking marketing, because if they did things wrong, a single player is capable of starting a revolt so that everyone goes against the casino, and even more so when they have contusive evidence, that is something that is very feasible, firstly because players know each other, there are communities, there are other forums, with an experience, they know it can tarnish all the effort that a casino has made or have a good reputation, it is something that takes a lot to build but that can be damaged by the slightest act of dishonesty, that is why as good players we must be alert before any accusation, when it is obviously well Answer if it is an accusation of fraud, to the comments of the DT members, because fraud is something unforgivable, it is not judged that any site abuses its power to be able to take money from the players, and something that is not justified.

[mak013]

I remember that some time ago I made a thread about notifications: which was the best way. 1.email,  2.internal message in the casino, or 3.any other way lik, e.g. msm via Telegram, etc... even on social networks, that is vital to be able to believe that they did not do it in bad faith.

There are casinos that do that, so you have to look for it, there they are, although in effect sometimes we go through that bad information that never arrives and then it is as you say, but as I already said it can happen to you once, it is avoided by looking for Casinos that have it largest way of information, come on! It is digital, so, it is easy to make the notification through all these ways.

The only right way is the internal messages. The other ways can be used additionally. And all changes in the ToS must be internal. And the gambler can`t bet until he agree with them. In this way the gambler surely will see all information and all email and other ways like msm and social networks can be not seen by the gambler.

[Blitzboy]

Changing of terms and conditions without notifying the users or gamblers is normal with online gambling websites? Then when you did something wrong or about to withdraw your money they will tell you that you don't read their terms and conditions, and you start arguing with them until you decide to read the ToS again and you find out that it's different.

this will only shows how tricky those site is , it is normal to change TOS without notifying player , but the tricky part here is when they just changed that said terms after someone wins big and need to withdraw.
that makes them an obvious scammer/cheater.

Some gambling websites consist of wicked owners that willingly plan to defraud their users using the ToS against them, or is this normal? Have such happened to anyone on this forum before?

don't worry mate , eventually ? this will turns against them because the players itself will learn and let the world knows about theit attitude and surely , will let their players leave them and also no new visitors may enters.

Well, the truth is I don't know why it says that casinos can change their Tos and without notifying, I'm not saying anything that the Tos can be changed in the bonuses, that one bonus is different from another, but, I think that the Tos in a site like A casino that is like its rules, its laws, is like changing the constitution of a country without consulting the Ubelo in order to do it, what we commonly call a dictatorship, which is the case in some countries, but even a casino is not willing to do things like that Because as you say, when they do it that way, it is so that the player has no chance of being victorious under any scheme, and this is not the idea either, the casino already has its house advantage, and a player wins when he wins. It is because he was lucky, he persevered and won, and that must be recognized and they must do everything necessary so that he can withdraw his money, because once a player loses, I have not seen a single casino that says that it was their mistake and that they will return the deinor to their euna, that does not happen anywhere.

So with respect to the other thing you are talking about, it is very true, if there is a casino that defrauds its players, it is very easy for that casino to lose, no matter the great heavy machinery in fucking marketing, because if they did things wrong, a single player is capable of starting a revolt so that everyone goes against the casino, and even more so when they have contusive evidence, that is something that is very feasible, firstly because players know each other, there are communities, there are other forums, with an experience, they know it can tarnish all the effort that a casino has made or have a good reputation, it is something that takes a lot to build but that can be damaged by the slightest act of dishonesty, that is why as good players we must be alert before any accusation, when it is obviously well Answer if it is an accusation of fraud, to the comments of the DT members, because fraud is something unforgivable, it is not judged that any site abuses its power to be able to take money from the players, and something that is not justified.

Changing the TOS without notice? Thats not sneaky, thats wrong. Think about it : An app or software that modified its terms of service without alerting users would cause a disturbance. Now I understand the dictatorship comparison. It's good but harsh. Gambling works because individuals trust each other. Players think the regulations won't change to steal their hard-earned money. The home usually has an edge, but come on. A player beats the odds because they're good or lucky. The end. Why not celebrate their win?

Since forums, social media, and communities are interrelated, one deception can damage a casino's reputation. You explained this clearly. Dishonesty hurts every firm, especially in today's hyperconnected society. As players, its not only about money, but the rules. Staying informed, speaking up against injustice, and most importantly, working together are essential. Remember that our collective power can halt any evil. If they try, we'll inform them. The end.

[LUCKMCFLY]

Regarding suspicious activities, it is always good that we as players always keep in mind that any activity that a casino considers suspicious is not a big deal, for a casino suspicious activity, what can it be? enter with a VPN? And if the person is traveling and is in a country where they are not allowed to enter the casino, but they have their account, then they have the right to enter from a VPN because if they are in an important tournament, then they will not be able to enter? Or that a person tries to withdraw every time he wins something, why can't he do it? Or so that person tries to make several deposits, so he can't do it? These are things that I will never understand why a casino considers an activity suspicious.

In case there is a suspicion, it shouldn't be thought of as not a big deal.  Once you are suspected by the casino, you will be monitored and possibly unable to access your acount until the suspicion is cleared.  With regards to the use of VPN, we must clarify first if it is allowed to use VPN or not.  We will be in trouble if we happen to use a VPN thinking that it is ok since we are not in the restricted area but find out that any means of VPN usage is not accepted by the casino.  This will bring trouble in your account, so we must always think first and inquire before using anything that can possibly jeopardize our account.

The case with VPN usage can mostly be dealt with when it involve new accounts since most of those that use VPN also use it to create multiple accounts on the casino either to claimabuses or abusing the casino with such bonuses, This is aside from the other fact that those that use VPN do so to avoid restrictions.

But in a case where the account is already a verified one,  the player can use a VPN to gamble freely from anywhere that way,  the casino already knows that such a gambler is doing so with clear intentions.

Some casino permits the use of VPN but also outlines its limitation and usage restrictions

Yes, it is very true, in fact there are casinos such as Bitcasino that have their own blog where they have very interesting articles and there is one in particular that talks about VPNs and casinos, how is it that they do accept the use of the VPN without any problem, which I applaud because I think that it is that they value the fact that they use the VPN and accept it much more than other casinos, this should be an example for other casinos, so that they can do something similar and so on take the lead, I believe that people who do this with a VPN and skip the priorities that their own countries have imposed on them that prevent them from entering to play in a casino, because I consider that entering a casino is not something that asks to be considered as illegal, if we don't see it from a much deeper perspective, we realize that governments always look for excuses to have control over people, not only crypto, and especially eprsoans that use bitcoin, they also mess with something that is fun, the casinos, they want to regulate, they want to know every movie, and if they do not submit to their licenses, then they simply do not operate in that country, what absurd things, but like that It is, what seems totally absurd is that a casino adheres to that and does not allow the use of the casino to people from countries that are considered banned.

I am very surprised that the USA is one of the countries that is usually suspended in some casinos, in the case of stake.us it is a great option that you have so that you can do things right there, it offers you the same services and operates From the USA, this is a great achievement, but apart from the USA you can see many efforts by people from other countries, in China, African countries, some South American countries where they are permanently banned, which I don't see sense in, However, as I said before, I applaud those casinos that do allow the use of VPN, and that allow free taste so that people from other countries have that freedom to play.

This raises a natural question: if a player uses a VPN, then this automatically means that he either simply bypasses possible blocking of the casino site in the country where he really lives. 
Or it may be an option that such a player, in principle, wants to remain completely anonymous and even tries to hide the real country where he is located.  So in this second case there is one very unpleasant contradiction.  It lies in the fact that if a player wins a large amount in a casino, then it is very likely that the casino will require him to undergo the KYC procedure and fully reveal his identity. 
Otherwise, he will not be allowed to transfer the money won to his wallet.  In this case, the use of a VPN will obviously create problems with identification.  In particular, for this reason, as I think, the casino may well find fault and begin to oppose the payment of this winnings in every possible way.  At the same time, the natural question from the casino is, why did the player actually use VPN at all? 
If the player simply bypassed the blocking of the site of this casino, adopted by the decision of the regulatory authorities of the country, then the player violated local laws and regulations, but if he hides his identity in case of receiving undeclared income from winnings, and uses a VPN, then he also violates local laws. 
As a result, everything turns out badly.

You are right, in particular there is a way out for this questioning, I could say that I am from a prohibited country, it certainly is, but why use VPNs to be more anonymous and have more privacy, but a person who is You can ask a favor that is from an allowed country, obviously you can comply with the KYC, but you used the VPN for the simple fact that you were in that country, because you reside in the other, so that is a way out, not very ethical but if exit, although things when it comes to VPNs can happen quite the opposite, the perxozna could have complied with the KYC and obviously used a VPN to be able to play from a country that is prohibited and then when he did it is considered a infringement? It is something that should not be, also if that happens, can a casino not pay for it either? I think so, and a person who complies with her KYC would already get rid of that problem.

The KYC thing will always be a problem, but a VPN shouldn't be, by now a casino should accept VPNs, but things when it comes to regulations will come a moment where they won't even accept others to play, and then that will become something where they can no longer be in a casino, because a person who wants to maintain their anonymity and privacy is something that is not worth it, in fact many users here on the forum consider it that way, they believe that Their privacy is essential and they need to take care of it, I respect that very much, and if everyone went with that trend, I think there would be more things or much more anonymous, the bad thing is that when they are decentralized casinos it is very disappointing to the players, because it is Like more commitment, I read a long time ago that a decentralized casino charged for each movement that the player makes, so these things are what can stop players , of course if he is a player who has a lot of money, well, no, but he must have everything those kinds of precautions.

[iv4n]

Changing of terms and conditions without notifying the users or gamblers is normal with online gambling websites?

No, it's not normal and not acceptable.
Any reputable casino or any other service provider must inform its users about any updates in their terms of service. They must also mention when the last time their terms were updated. Besides new terms and rules should not have a retroactive effect. Any company that doesn't do this does not respect its customers and it should be avoided at all costs.

https://www.btcgosu.com/blog/news/chips-gg-casino-plunges-into-chaos-co-founder-accusations-and-unexpected-maintenance/

Chips.gg is a good example of this topic. Chips is one of the crypto casinos that changed their ToS without any notice. They did it more than once as I remember. Apart from being very unprofessional, we have to ask ourselves if they are ready to do that what could they do next?

Well, Betnomi didn't wake up from maintenance mode, maybe the same thing will happen with Chips now.

[Zoomic]

Changing of terms and conditions without notifying the users or gamblers is normal with online gambling websites?

No, it's not normal and not acceptable.
Any reputable casino or any other service provider must inform its users about any updates in their terms of service. They must also mention when the last time their terms were updated. Besides new terms and rules should not have a retroactive effect. Any company that doesn't do this does not respect its customers and it should be avoided at all costs.

https://www.btcgosu.com/blog/news/chips-gg-casino-plunges-into-chaos-co-founder-accusations-and-unexpected-maintenance/

Chips.gg is a good example of this topic. Chips is one of the crypto casinos that changed their ToS without any notice. They did it more than once as I remember. Apart from being very unprofessional, we have to ask ourselves if they are ready to do that what could they do next?

Well, Betnomi didn't wake up from maintenance mode, maybe the same thing will happen with Chips now.

I like it when names are mentioned and not just generalised stories . But I like it more when the mentioned casinos come up to clear their names and not to remain mute.
Does chip gg have an ANN thread in this forum? If yes, what have they said about it. It seems lately that the modifications of the ToS without the consent of the gamblers is a new trend of scam happening lately. I also know that wetin a small time there will be solution to this. Meanwhile, the solution I have and have always suggested is for casinos to provide a downloadable ToS. But this, both the casinos and the gamblers will have an offline version of the ToS.

[tsaroz]

Changing of terms and conditions without notifying the users or gamblers is normal with online gambling websites? Then when you did something wrong or about to withdraw your money they will tell you that you don't read their terms and conditions, and you start arguing with them until you decide to read the ToS again and you find out that it's different.

Some gambling websites consist of wicked owners that willingly plan to defraud their users using the ToS against them, or is this normal? Have such happened to anyone on this forum before?

This has occurred a multiple of times. And it's difficult to blame just the casino for this legally and practically in case of legit and popular casinos.
Legally they put the term that they could change the terms without a prior notice. And for many, they should obey the demand of the authorities from the jurisdiction they belongs to.
Most casinos blocks people when they try to withdraw a large amount and it seems they want to confiscate the money just because it's a large amount and they want to scam the person. But in reality there are some red flags they need to investigate or found on either the source of the coins (dirty coins) or the hacking attempt by the user. For some it could be an attempt to mix coins for cheap and money laundering. Arbitrage is also selectively banned by some.

[Blitzboy]

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You are right, in particular there is a way out for this questioning, I could say that I am from a prohibited country, it certainly is, but why use VPNs to be more anonymous and have more privacy, but a person who is You can ask a favor that is from an allowed country, obviously you can comply with the KYC, but you used the VPN for the simple fact that you were in that country, because you reside in the other, so that is a way out, not very ethical but if exit, although things when it comes to VPNs can happen quite the opposite, the perxozna could have complied with the KYC and obviously used a VPN to be able to play from a country that is prohibited and then when he did it is considered a infringement? It is something that should not be, also if that happens, can a casino not pay for it either? I think so, and a person who complies with her KYC would already get rid of that problem.

The KYC thing will always be a problem, but a VPN shouldn't be, by now a casino should accept VPNs, but things when it comes to regulations will come a moment where they won't even accept others to play, and then that will become something where they can no longer be in a casino, because a person who wants to maintain their anonymity and privacy is something that is not worth it, in fact many users here on the forum consider it that way, they believe that Their privacy is essential and they need to take care of it, I respect that very much, and if everyone went with that trend, I think there would be more things or much more anonymous, the bad thing is that when they are decentralized casinos it is very disappointing to the players, because it is Like more commitment, I read a long time ago that a decentralized casino charged for each movement that the player makes, so these things are what can stop players , of course if he is a player who has a lot of money, well, no, but he must have everything those kinds of precautions.

The threat to our personal data grows with the digital world. KYC protects players and casinos. Fraud and money laundering are its main goals, although others find it intrusive. VPNs might cause problems when bypassing geographical restrictions. If a player from a restricted location wins via a VPN, the casino may withhold winnings after finding the breach. Its not about the casino refusing to pay, but about license. Decentralized casinos give more autonomy but also present obstacles. Though per-move charges may appear excessive, they often support the network. User freedom and operational sustainability are delicate.

[Wiwo]

The threat to our personal data grows with the digital world. KYC protects players and casinos. Fraud and money laundering are its main goals, although others find it intrusive. VPNs might cause problems when bypassing geographical restrictions. If a player from a restricted location wins via a VPN, the casino may withhold winnings after finding the breach. Its not about the casino refusing to pay, but about license. Decentralized casinos give more autonomy but also present obstacles. Though per-move charges may appear excessive, they often support the network. User freedom and operational sustainability are delicate.

The thing is that,  KYC and AML rules have it double edge implications on the gambler and since in whatever ways you must have to go through KYC verifications at all costs unless you are ready to lose your balance,  this is the risk associated with the use of a VPN,  but we must also note that VPN usage is as a result of many circumstances while some use VPN to bypasses their geographical locations.

While others use VPN just because of the networks their connected to if the feels it not secured then you can use VPN,  but the most important thing is to make sure that your account is fully kyc verified before you make attempt to use a VPN so that you won't have any issue from the usage.

[danadc]

The threat to our personal data grows with the digital world. KYC protects players and casinos. Fraud and money laundering are its main goals, although others find it intrusive. VPNs might cause problems when bypassing geographical restrictions. If a player from a restricted location wins via a VPN, the casino may withhold winnings after finding the breach. Its not about the casino refusing to pay, but about license. Decentralized casinos give more autonomy but also present obstacles. Though per-move charges may appear excessive, they often support the network. User freedom and operational sustainability are delicate.

The thing is that,  KYC and AML rules have it double edge implications on the gambler and since in whatever ways you must have to go through KYC verifications at all costs unless you are ready to lose your balance,  this is the risk associated with the use of a VPN,  but we must also note that VPN usage is as a result of many circumstances while some use VPN to bypasses their geographical locations.

While others use VPN just because of the networks their connected to if the feels it not secured then you can use VPN,  but the most important thing is to make sure that your account is fully kyc verified before you make attempt to use a VPN so that you won't have any issue from the usage.

But if the Person uses a VPN to be able to Play and start bothering ? Can't they accuse her that the account is not that person's , but Rather that the Person did him a Favor so that he can have that Account at the casino ? That is one of the Things that can happen and think about its Support , so due to Such Circumstances it is that a Person who Dreams of the VPN can find Himself in trouble , so in these cases it is better to avoid , to avoid using this for later do not be Punished and can be suspended , because casinos now Make those Decisions to Suspend Accounts as the First easy Measure of Action , which I will Never Agree, Because they are the most funds from Players who make use of their Casino.

[Wiwo]

But if the Person uses a VPN to be able to Play and start bothering ? Can't they accuse her that the account is not that person's , but Rather that the Person did him a Favor so that he can have that Account at the casino ? That is one of the Things that can happen and think about its Support , so due to Such Circumstances it is that a Person who Dreams of the VPN can find Himself in trouble , so in these cases it is better to avoid , to avoid using this for later do not be Punished and can be suspended , because casinos now Make those Decisions to Suspend Accounts as the First easy Measure of Action , which I will Never Agree, Because they are the most funds from Players who make use of their Casino.

Yes it is better to avoid VPN usage if possible because even if the casino does not publicly state its displeasure on VPN usage it still remains a fact that casino can hit you with KYC demands at any time regardless of whether you use VPN or not as long as your account activities exhibit suspicious moves you can be called to verify your identity and this also applies to VPN users.

However, some casinos look away from VPN usage is because of their clients who may be on travel and are in a region where the casino is blocked so VPN will allow them to bypass such blockages and continue to play.

[delfastTions]

But if the Person uses a VPN to be able to Play and start bothering ? Can't they accuse her that the account is not that person's , but Rather that the Person did him a Favor so that he can have that Account at the casino ? That is one of the Things that can happen and think about its Support , so due to Such Circumstances it is that a Person who Dreams of the VPN can find Himself in trouble , so in these cases it is better to avoid , to avoid using this for later do not be Punished and can be suspended , because casinos now Make those Decisions to Suspend Accounts as the First easy Measure of Action , which I will Never Agree, Because they are the most funds from Players who make use of their Casino.

Yes it is better to avoid VPN usage if possible because even if the casino does not publicly state its displeasure on VPN usage it still remains a fact that casino can hit you with KYC demands at any time regardless of whether you use VPN or not as long as your account activities exhibit suspicious moves you can be called to verify your identity and this also applies to VPN users.

However, some casinos look away from VPN usage is because of their clients who may be on travel and are in a region where the casino is blocked so VPN will allow them to bypass such blockages and continue to play.

All casino players can be conditionally divided into three large groups. 
The first is officially introduced and KYC-passed players WHO do not use VPNs.  And they naturally should not have serious problems with the withdrawal of money from the casino in case of winning.  Unless the re-verification of KYC, which such a player will pass without difficulty. 
The next group of players are those who use VPN.  The reasons for using a VPN can range from being able to bypass local blocking to trying to remain anonymous.  Among these players, there are also two groups - these are those players who are simply forced to use a VPN to bypass local blocking, but in general, they can go through KYC if they need to withdraw money from the casino.  But the casino will naturally have a question, why did such a player need to enter the site via VPN at all?  Tese are possible unnecessary problems for such a player. 
But the third group of players are those who play with a VPN in order to remain anonymous and they will never provide the casino with their personal data - these are very risky players and for them in general the gamee is possible only for very small amounts, and even then the casino can  start requiring KYC even for small amounts of money withdrawal to the account of such a player. 
I think that millions of people belong to this third group for many reasons, and unfortunately such an interesting and exciting entertainment as online gambling for large sums is basically not available to them. 
And this is very sad.  But, alas, this is how the gambling industry works.

[Fivestar4everMVP]

But if the Person uses a VPN to be able to Play and start bothering ? Can't they accuse her that the account is not that person's , but Rather that the Person did him a Favor so that he can have that Account at the casino ? That is one of the Things that can happen and think about its Support , so due to Such Circumstances it is that a Person who Dreams of the VPN can find Himself in trouble , so in these cases it is better to avoid , to avoid using this for later do not be Punished and can be suspended , because casinos now Make those Decisions to Suspend Accounts as the First easy Measure of Action , which I will Never Agree, Because they are the most funds from Players who make use of their Casino.

Yes it is better to avoid VPN usage if possible because even if the casino does not publicly state its displeasure on VPN usage it still remains a fact that casino can hit you with KYC demands at any time regardless of whether you use VPN or not as long as your account activities exhibit suspicious moves you can be called to verify your identity and this also applies to VPN users.

However, some casinos look away from VPN usage is because of their clients who may be on travel and are in a region where the casino is blocked so VPN will allow them to bypass such blockages and continue to play.

You are right , there are indeed some casinos that do look away from gamblers using VPN to access their account on the casino, but then, if a casino did not publicly state that VPN is not a problem to them, it's best for the gambler to always confirm the casino's stand on VPN from the casino's customer care service before making a final decision of whether play with VPN turned on or off ..

And another thing to really consider is. Making sure to avoid free VPN, because free VPN often comes with shares IP addresses which could cause the casino to think that the gambler is multi accounting which an issue majorly all casinos frown at, this often happens when there are other players using the same casino with the same IP address issued to you by the VPN, this is majorly why I think free VPN is very risky, even for casinos that allow VPN usage .

[Wiwo]

And another thing to really consider is. Making sure to avoid free VPN, because free VPN often comes with shares IP addresses which could cause the casino to think that the gambler is multi accounting which an issue majorly all casinos frown at, this often happens when there are other players using the same casino with the same IP address issued to you by the VPN, this is majorly why I think free VPN is very risky, even for casinos that allow VPN usage.

I agree with that fact also and that is why it is very important to have your account verified before you make any attempt to use a VPN which is something that the casino doesn't really approve it usage unless a few of them that actually allow some form of VPN usage.

But also we have to take note of some few circumstances that can force us into VPN usage which already pointed out in my earlier.

[Hamphser]

But if the Person uses a VPN to be able to Play and start bothering ? Can't they accuse her that the account is not that person's , but Rather that the Person did him a Favor so that he can have that Account at the casino ? That is one of the Things that can happen and think about its Support , so due to Such Circumstances it is that a Person who Dreams of the VPN can find Himself in trouble , so in these cases it is better to avoid , to avoid using this for later do not be Punished and can be suspended , because casinos now Make those Decisions to Suspend Accounts as the First easy Measure of Action , which I will Never Agree, Because they are the most funds from Players who make use of their Casino.

Yes it is better to avoid VPN usage if possible because even if the casino does not publicly state its displeasure on VPN usage it still remains a fact that casino can hit you with KYC demands at any time regardless of whether you use VPN or not as long as your account activities exhibit suspicious moves you can be called to verify your identity and this also applies to VPN users.

However, some casinos look away from VPN usage is because of their clients who may be on travel and are in a region where the casino is blocked so VPN will allow them to bypass such blockages and continue to play.

You are right , there are indeed some casinos that do look away from gamblers using VPN to access their account on the casino, but then, if a casino did not publicly state that VPN is not a problem to them, it's best for the gambler to always confirm the casino's stand on VPN from the casino's customer care service before making a final decision of whether play with VPN turned on or off ..

And another thing to really consider is. Making sure to avoid free VPN, because free VPN often comes with shares IP addresses which could cause the casino to think that the gambler is multi accounting which an issue majorly all casinos frown at, this often happens when there are other players using the same casino with the same IP address issued to you by the VPN, this is majorly why I think free VPN is very risky, even for casinos that allow VPN usage .

One of the most common things that i do check out or tend to read whenever i do play on a certain new site then i would be always checking about VPN related information and restricted countries
and their threshold on which this would be the snippets of information i do check out on terms and conditions which i should say or could say that it is the most common point to look at because this is where usually platforms would really be making out some issues or reasoning about a certain user do able to commit out which it is really that very common. Using TOS against their users? This is indeed a shady
act or behavior of a casino and this is why if you are having some trust issues then you could really have some screen shot on their TOS anytime you do play on a new site.

If there's no statement about kyc and vpn then it is really just that good or ideal on having those shots and then later on if there would be some related issues that thrown at you
then you could at least have the reason or could really be fighting with your right if there a sufficient proof at least.

[LUCKMCFLY]

But if the Person uses a VPN to be able to Play and start bothering ? Can't they accuse her that the account is not that person's , but Rather that the Person did him a Favor so that he can have that Account at the casino ? That is one of the Things that can happen and think about its Support , so due to Such Circumstances it is that a Person who Dreams of the VPN can find Himself in trouble , so in these cases it is better to avoid , to avoid using this for later do not be Punished and can be suspended , because casinos now Make those Decisions to Suspend Accounts as the First easy Measure of Action , which I will Never Agree, Because they are the most funds from Players who make use of their Casino.

Yes it is better to avoid VPN usage if possible because even if the casino does not publicly state its displeasure on VPN usage it still remains a fact that casino can hit you with KYC demands at any time regardless of whether you use VPN or not as long as your account activities exhibit suspicious moves you can be called to verify your identity and this also applies to VPN users.

However, some casinos look away from VPN usage is because of their clients who may be on travel and are in a region where the casino is blocked so VPN will allow them to bypass such blockages and continue to play.

You are right , there are indeed some casinos that do look away from gamblers using VPN to access their account on the casino, but then, if a casino did not publicly state that VPN is not a problem to them, it's best for the gambler to always confirm the casino's stand on VPN from the casino's customer care service before making a final decision of whether play with VPN turned on or off ..

And another thing to really consider is. Making sure to avoid free VPN, because free VPN often comes with shares IP addresses which could cause the casino to think that the gambler is multi accounting which an issue majorly all casinos frown at, this often happens when there are other players using the same casino with the same IP address issued to you by the VPN, this is majorly why I think free VPN is very risky, even for casinos that allow VPN usage .

One of the most common things that i do check out or tend to read whenever i do play on a certain new site then i would be always checking about VPN related information and restricted countries
and their threshold on which this would be the snippets of information i do check out on terms and conditions which i should say or could say that it is the most common point to look at because this is where usually platforms would really be making out some issues or reasoning about a certain user do able to commit out which it is really that very common. Using TOS against their users? This is indeed a shady
act or behavior of a casino and this is why if you are having some trust issues then you could really have some screen shot on their TOS anytime you do play on a new site.

If there's no statement about kyc and vpn then it is really just that good or ideal on having those shots and then later on if there would be some related issues that thrown at you
then you could at least have the reason or could really be fighting with your right if there a sufficient proof at least.

Of all this, I think the following, a person who uses a VPN should not give so much in terms of demands if they use a VPN, if I comply with VPN, why do they want to have more demands again? I once see that things are done like this, because the vpn is unnecessary, if I want I do it and they must accept me, I don't see why there are so many problems with that, I personally don't see the point of any casino putting Tatas works on that, there are some casinos that already accept the use of the VPN for players, normally if you are a player from a prohibited country you can do it, because there are cases where players who are native to those countries but live in different countries Well, they can play, they have the right to do so, because I don't see any type of restriction there and if they want to make another type of protocol to enter a casino, well, they are within their rights, I don't see what the drama is, there are perhaps those who accept person with a VPN, I imagine that when they comply with their KYC, everything is in order.

When we see the accusations of fraud or something in the children of respect, many cases are that they have the use of a VPN, but as I have said before, I consider that a person who plays with a VPN that has already fulfilled its KYC, because the casino You must acknowledge the rejection and then if you warn him not to use the VPN anymore and to take the necessary measures for that because the casino does not accept the VPN, but he must acknowledge that if the player complied with KYC and that he played like this and won they must pay him, because it is the duty to be.

The drama always begins because the casino suspends the player's account just because he used the VPN and that is something that should not be, a casino that does not want to pay for that, because it simply looks bad to me, and it is something that is not it makes sense to lose a client because of that, and not only lose that client, but lose many more because that client tells his friends and they will have a bad idea about the casino, and then basically things will not look good.

[Wiwo]

The drama always begins because the casino suspends the player's account just because he used the VPN and that is something that should not be, a casino that does not want to pay for that, because it simply looks bad to me, and it is something that is not it makes sense to lose a client because of that, and not only lose that client, but lose many more because that client tells his friends and they will have a bad idea about the casino, and then basically things will not look good.

Casino does not just lock or nail a client because they use VPN,  but only if the client account exhibit some form of behaviour that raises the casino security team awareness to such account and oppond checking discover that the customer is using a VPN and if that be,  the casino will consider such customer as a bad actor and will lick him out or demand for KYC to verify his identity,  and also we have to know that,  not all casino prohibits the use of VPN just like not all casino make kyc demands at point of account opening.

On the issue of multiple accounts, and VPN usage it may be so because some customers may be seeking to abuse the casino bonus and other system through the use of VPN to hide their identity.

[Hamphser]

But if the Person uses a VPN to be able to Play and start bothering ? Can't they accuse her that the account is not that person's , but Rather that the Person did him a Favor so that he can have that Account at the casino ? That is one of the Things that can happen and think about its Support , so due to Such Circumstances it is that a Person who Dreams of the VPN can find Himself in trouble , so in these cases it is better to avoid , to avoid using this for later do not be Punished and can be suspended , because casinos now Make those Decisions to Suspend Accounts as the First easy Measure of Action , which I will Never Agree, Because they are the most funds from Players who make use of their Casino.

Yes it is better to avoid VPN usage if possible because even if the casino does not publicly state its displeasure on VPN usage it still remains a fact that casino can hit you with KYC demands at any time regardless of whether you use VPN or not as long as your account activities exhibit suspicious moves you can be called to verify your identity and this also applies to VPN users.

However, some casinos look away from VPN usage is because of their clients who may be on travel and are in a region where the casino is blocked so VPN will allow them to bypass such blockages and continue to play.

You are right , there are indeed some casinos that do look away from gamblers using VPN to access their account on the casino, but then, if a casino did not publicly state that VPN is not a problem to them, it's best for the gambler to always confirm the casino's stand on VPN from the casino's customer care service before making a final decision of whether play with VPN turned on or off ..

And another thing to really consider is. Making sure to avoid free VPN, because free VPN often comes with shares IP addresses which could cause the casino to think that the gambler is multi accounting which an issue majorly all casinos frown at, this often happens when there are other players using the same casino with the same IP address issued to you by the VPN, this is majorly why I think free VPN is very risky, even for casinos that allow VPN usage .

One of the most common things that i do check out or tend to read whenever i do play on a certain new site then i would be always checking about VPN related information and restricted countries
and their threshold on which this would be the snippets of information i do check out on terms and conditions which i should say or could say that it is the most common point to look at because this is where usually platforms would really be making out some issues or reasoning about a certain user do able to commit out which it is really that very common. Using TOS against their users? This is indeed a shady
act or behavior of a casino and this is why if you are having some trust issues then you could really have some screen shot on their TOS anytime you do play on a new site.

If there's no statement about kyc and vpn then it is really just that good or ideal on having those shots and then later on if there would be some related issues that thrown at you
then you could at least have the reason or could really be fighting with your right if there a sufficient proof at least.

Of all this, I think the following, a person who uses a VPN should not give so much in terms of demands if they use a VPN, if I comply with VPN, why do they want to have more demands again? I once see that things are done like this, because the vpn is unnecessary, if I want I do it and they must accept me, I don't see why there are so many problems with that, I personally don't see the point of any casino putting Tatas works on that, there are some casinos that already accept the use of the VPN for players, normally if you are a player from a prohibited country you can do it, because there are cases where players who are native to those countries but live in different countries Well, they can play, they have the right to do so, because I don't see any type of restriction there and if they want to make another type of protocol to enter a casino, well, they are within their rights, I don't see what the drama is, there are perhaps those who accept person with a VPN, I imagine that when they comply with their KYC, everything is in order.

When we see the accusations of fraud or something in the children of respect, many cases are that they have the use of a VPN, but as I have said before, I consider that a person who plays with a VPN that has already fulfilled its KYC, because the casino You must acknowledge the rejection and then if you warn him not to use the VPN anymore and to take the necessary measures for that because the casino does not accept the VPN, but he must acknowledge that if the player complied with KYC and that he played like this and won they must pay him, because it is the duty to be.

The drama always begins because the casino suspends the player's account just because he used the VPN and that is something that should not be, a casino that does not want to pay for that, because it simply looks bad to me, and it is something that is not it makes sense to lose a client because of that, and not only lose that client, but lose many more because that client tells his friends and they will have a bad idea about the casino, and then basically things will not look good.

Actually be depending because we know that people around wont really be able to have those good impressions into those who do violate sites terms and conditions. It might really be that bad looking for the platform on holding or pending up someones withdrawal but we do know that it had been stated on their terms and conditions that they do have the full rights on doing so on the time someone had violated those terms which i could say that it is really just that right that they would take action. If ever they would be making out some decisions which arent that something right then the community or people around would really be having their own words regarding on the situation. They cant really just make out some conclusion that the platform do sucks or shady just because of the action that they had made. Not all the times that
everything would really be blamed out on the platform since there are really that users which do really be able to commit out some violations which it is really just that right that they would be facing up those consequences.

[TastyChillySauce00]

But if the Person uses a VPN to be able to Play and start bothering ? Can't they accuse her that the account is not that person's , but Rather that the Person did him a Favor so that he can have that Account at the casino ? That is one of the Things that can happen and think about its Support , so due to Such Circumstances it is that a Person who Dreams of the VPN can find Himself in trouble , so in these cases it is better to avoid , to avoid using this for later do not be Punished and can be suspended , because casinos now Make those Decisions to Suspend Accounts as the First easy Measure of Action , which I will Never Agree, Because they are the most funds from Players who make use of their Casino.

Yes it is better to avoid VPN usage if possible because even if the casino does not publicly state its displeasure on VPN usage it still remains a fact that casino can hit you with KYC demands at any time regardless of whether you use VPN or not as long as your account activities exhibit suspicious moves you can be called to verify your identity and this also applies to VPN users.

However, some casinos look away from VPN usage is because of their clients who may be on travel and are in a region where the casino is blocked so VPN will allow them to bypass such blockages and continue to play.

Using VPN will never be recommended way to access the casino. When you were not in US but you have used US VPN and you will be blocked by the casino to access its site.
They will be tracking your IP related to your VPN and if it comes from the strict country like US and verifying KYC is a must. The casino was just trying to deal with the regulation. Better for them to avoid having trouble with the regulators.

Changing DNS or using WARP are always become the best method to bypass it. I do understand if sometimes ISP could also block the access to the casino as well.
Some casino were also very strict on its users.

[Wiwo]

They will be tracking your IP related to your VPN and if it comes from the strict country like US and verifying KYC is a must. The casino was just trying to deal with the regulation. Better for them to avoid having trouble with the regulators.

Changing DNS or using WARP are always become the best method to bypass it. I do understand if sometimes ISP could also block the access to the casino as well.
Some casino were also very strict on their users.

Aside from the regulatory compliance,  there are other form of practices by the gambler that can warrant the casino to demand for kyc and this can be pointed out veg the conduct of the gambler while playing on the site,  there have been cases of gamblers abuses of casinos to exploit the bonus system and some other features,  VPN come as a victim and more of regulatory demands and that is why some time the casino never demand for KYC verification if the gambler operates within the laws and doesn't violates the terms and conditions of the casino.

[LUCKMCFLY]

But if the Person uses a VPN to be able to Play and start bothering ? Can't they accuse her that the account is not that person's , but Rather that the Person did him a Favor so that he can have that Account at the casino ? That is one of the Things that can happen and think about its Support , so due to Such Circumstances it is that a Person who Dreams of the VPN can find Himself in trouble , so in these cases it is better to avoid , to avoid using this for later do not be Punished and can be suspended , because casinos now Make those Decisions to Suspend Accounts as the First easy Measure of Action , which I will Never Agree, Because they are the most funds from Players who make use of their Casino.

Yes it is better to avoid VPN usage if possible because even if the casino does not publicly state its displeasure on VPN usage it still remains a fact that casino can hit you with KYC demands at any time regardless of whether you use VPN or not as long as your account activities exhibit suspicious moves you can be called to verify your identity and this also applies to VPN users.

However, some casinos look away from VPN usage is because of their clients who may be on travel and are in a region where the casino is blocked so VPN will allow them to bypass such blockages and continue to play.

You are right , there are indeed some casinos that do look away from gamblers using VPN to access their account on the casino, but then, if a casino did not publicly state that VPN is not a problem to them, it's best for the gambler to always confirm the casino's stand on VPN from the casino's customer care service before making a final decision of whether play with VPN turned on or off ..

And another thing to really consider is. Making sure to avoid free VPN, because free VPN often comes with shares IP addresses which could cause the casino to think that the gambler is multi accounting which an issue majorly all casinos frown at, this often happens when there are other players using the same casino with the same IP address issued to you by the VPN, this is majorly why I think free VPN is very risky, even for casinos that allow VPN usage .

One of the most common things that i do check out or tend to read whenever i do play on a certain new site then i would be always checking about VPN related information and restricted countries
and their threshold on which this would be the snippets of information i do check out on terms and conditions which i should say or could say that it is the most common point to look at because this is where usually platforms would really be making out some issues or reasoning about a certain user do able to commit out which it is really that very common. Using TOS against their users? This is indeed a shady
act or behavior of a casino and this is why if you are having some trust issues then you could really have some screen shot on their TOS anytime you do play on a new site.

If there's no statement about kyc and vpn then it is really just that good or ideal on having those shots and then later on if there would be some related issues that thrown at you
then you could at least have the reason or could really be fighting with your right if there a sufficient proof at least.

Of all this, I think the following, a person who uses a VPN should not give so much in terms of demands if they use a VPN, if I comply with VPN, why do they want to have more demands again? I once see that things are done like this, because the vpn is unnecessary, if I want I do it and they must accept me, I don't see why there are so many problems with that, I personally don't see the point of any casino putting Tatas works on that, there are some casinos that already accept the use of the VPN for players, normally if you are a player from a prohibited country you can do it, because there are cases where players who are native to those countries but live in different countries Well, they can play, they have the right to do so, because I don't see any type of restriction there and if they want to make another type of protocol to enter a casino, well, they are within their rights, I don't see what the drama is, there are perhaps those who accept person with a VPN, I imagine that when they comply with their KYC, everything is in order.

When we see the accusations of fraud or something in the children of respect, many cases are that they have the use of a VPN, but as I have said before, I consider that a person who plays with a VPN that has already fulfilled its KYC, because the casino You must acknowledge the rejection and then if you warn him not to use the VPN anymore and to take the necessary measures for that because the casino does not accept the VPN, but he must acknowledge that if the player complied with KYC and that he played like this and won they must pay him, because it is the duty to be.

The drama always begins because the casino suspends the player's account just because he used the VPN and that is something that should not be, a casino that does not want to pay for that, because it simply looks bad to me, and it is something that is not it makes sense to lose a client because of that, and not only lose that client, but lose many more because that client tells his friends and they will have a bad idea about the casino, and then basically things will not look good.

Actually be depending because we know that people around wont really be able to have those good impressions into those who do violate sites terms and conditions. It might really be that bad looking for the platform on holding or pending up someones withdrawal but we do know that it had been stated on their terms and conditions that they do have the full rights on doing so on the time someone had violated those terms which i could say that it is really just that right that they would take action. If ever they would be making out some decisions which arent that something right then the community or people around would really be having their own words regarding on the situation. They cant really just make out some conclusion that the platform do sucks or shady just because of the action that they had made. Not all the times that
everything would really be blamed out on the platform since there are really that users which do really be able to commit out some violations which it is really just that right that they would be facing up those consequences.

Well, if the terms and conditions state that I do not use the VPN, but that would be a precedent and if so, there is nothing to do, because obviously the people who play in a casino do so because they have accepted those imposed conditions. or the casino, and in that term nothing can be done, but the point is that if a casino does not have those things in its Toss, it is likely that the average player can use the vpn without any problem, which matters for As a company, if it were a casino, it is that a person enters, and if he comes from a country one way or another, I don't understand what the problem is that a person from a country that is considered prohibited cannot have fun, and they have to impose so many restrictions on their fun as well? So I say something, is it unacceptable that a person is also going to have trouble with the way of having fun, so already a country is totally prohibited like this, also in having fun? What do you gain from that? These are things that I do not understand and I think I will never Understand why the governments that consider themselves stronger, instead of oppressing their Contenders , who are actually the politicians, make them pay through their people, their people. , because there are rulers who really don't care if their people do poorly, as long as they are well, then everything is fine.

I would think that here the casinos that need to be congratulated are the ones that accept the use of VPN without much problem, it is something that does not have much to do with it, it does not affect us, and it is not the idea either 'because every human being, wherever they are from , has the Right to have fun, then we can think that the things in this case where the casinos will accept VPNs there is nothing wrong, bad is that they do not want to enter the casino even through VPN , I think those are the Things to Consider.