Using ToS against users normal?

[leonair]

Changing of terms and conditions without notifying the users or gamblers is normal with online gambling websites? Then when you did something wrong or about to withdraw your money they will tell you that you don't read their terms and conditions, and you start arguing with them until you decide to read the ToS again and you find out that it's different.

Some gambling websites consist of wicked owners that willingly plan to defraud their users using the ToS against them, or is this normal? Have such happened to anyone on this forum before?

I haven't heard of any case till date where the terms and conditions were changed without notice to their users and then any user was in trouble because of that.
Whenever there are any changes in any terms or conditions then their users are sent a notice through email of the same.
The email shares the changes or link to the new terms and conditions and this is done so that the users are aware of the new terms.
If any site is not following this approach then the site owners are at fault.

A good casino site always informs the users through email after changing their rules but it is our fault that we do not read the incoming emails regularly due to which none of the important emails are lost and that is why we face various problems. But even if those problems are due to our unconsciousness, we then blame others. All casino sites want to maintain their reputation and make a real and big business. So they are very careful in these cases.

[dezoel]

Changing of terms and conditions without notifying the users or gamblers is normal with online gambling websites? Then when you did something wrong or about to withdraw your money they will tell you that you don't read their terms and conditions, and you start arguing with them until you decide to read the ToS again and you find out that it's different.

Its a common law to notify its users whenever there's a chance of terms, because its like a contract between the users and business provider. If they never notify its users then the changes of the term cannot be execute or followed, and wont take effect.
Its users can file a case against the service whenever users are violated because of the changed terms so feel free to execute your rights.

Can a user actually file a case against a casino only because they didn't notify them for modifying the terms and conditions? I don't really thing that's a thing, because most of the casino platforms mention in their terms and conditions that they have all the rights to make changes, add more rules, or modify an existing one whenever they deem right, and in that way, a user doesn't have much of a say in it.

I understand that it is unethical for a platform to make a change in its terms and conditions that will directly affect its users or their activities and still don't notify them but I don't think that a user has much to do in such a case apart from leaving the platform for good.

[_act_]

Especially when there's a big claims of prizes then suddenly they change the TOS to avoid or declared the winner as a cheater then for that they can be determine as scam immediately since they done that on purpose. For minimal situation will its still tolerable but at least they explain to their community when someone ask so that questions on mind by those people who doubt will be clear and people can get an answer regarding on the updates they've done.

Since when I have been gambling, I have not seen this before. I mean for a gambler to win and the gambling site changed their terms and conditions so that the gambler will not be favoured. I have not seen anything like that before. What I have noticed is that if the terms and conditions is altered, their customers will be notified.

But we should use a better gambling site, a trustworthy one that people around you are recommending. As long as you keep to the terms and conditions that you read, you have no problem.

[Hamphser]

Changing of terms and conditions without notifying the users or gamblers is normal with online gambling websites? Then when you did something wrong or about to withdraw your money they will tell you that you don't read their terms and conditions, and you start arguing with them until you decide to read the ToS again and you find out that it's different.

Its a common law to notify its users whenever there's a chance of terms, because its like a contract between the users and business provider. If they never notify its users then the changes of the term cannot be execute or followed, and wont take effect.
Its users can file a case against the service whenever users are violated because of the changed terms so feel free to execute your rights.

Can a user actually file a case against a casino only because they didn't notify them for modifying the terms and conditions? I don't really thing that's a thing, because most of the casino platforms mention in their terms and conditions that they have all the rights to make changes, add more rules, or modify an existing one whenever they deem right, and in that way, a user doesn't have much of a say in it.

I understand that it is unethical for a platform to make a change in its terms and conditions that will directly affect its users or their activities and still don't notify them but I don't think that a user has much to do in such a case apart from leaving the platform for good.

You would rather just simply choose on leaving and dont mind about the money that had been spent out but if you do have the proper funding or financial then you could  really push up and file a case against but

we know that it isnt something that good idea on doing so if we do look about the funds would be used then its not something worth for you to mind off and fight for.If we do see that there's really that sudden
change of their TOS then there's nothing we can do about it but to move on because if we do tend to fight for it then it would really be money consuming and you wouldnt really be sure
that you would really be winning the case. This is why its pointless.

In overall, having this kind of TOS changing thing is a shady act to be done and its not something a doing with a legit casino but hey we cant really be so sure that they wouldnt really be doing
these potential actions but this would be unlikely on speaking with those known and popular sites.

[Odusko]

Especially when there's a big claims of prizes then suddenly they change the TOS to avoid or declared the winner as a cheater then for that they can be determine as scam immediately since they done that on purpose. For minimal situation will its still tolerable but at least they explain to their community when someone ask so that questions on mind by those people who doubt will be clear and people can get an answer regarding on the updates they've done.

Since when I have been gambling, I have not seen this before. I mean for a gambler to win and the gambling site changed their terms and conditions so that the gambler will not be favoured. I have not seen anything like that before. What I have noticed is that if the terms and conditions is altered, their customers will be notified.

But we should use a better gambling site, a trustworthy one that people around us are recommending. As long as you keep to the terms and conditions that you read, you have no problem.

We are not familiar with this kind of practice in any way and I have not seen a proven case of such where the casino suddenly change the rule just to favour themselves the first time I am hearing that is now in this thread where the ops mentioned his problem and since he did not back this up with any evidence it shows that there is little we can contribute to this situation and if all things being equal,  we expect to see an update from the ops regarding this development if he has anything to further contribute or add to the already existing details that can help our discussion more.

[PX-Z]

Changing of terms and conditions without notifying the users or gamblers is normal with online gambling websites? Then when you did something wrong or about to withdraw your money they will tell you that you don't read their terms and conditions, and you start arguing with them until you decide to read the ToS again and you find out that it's different.

Its a common law to notify its users whenever there's a chance of terms, because its like a contract between the users and business provider. If they never notify its users then the changes of the term cannot be execute or followed, and wont take effect.
Its users can file a case against the service whenever users are violated because of the changed terms so feel free to execute your rights.

Can a user actually file a case against a casino only because they didn't notify them for modifying the terms and conditions? I don't really thing that's a thing, because most of the casino platforms mention in their terms and conditions that they have all the rights to make changes, add more rules, or modify an existing one whenever they deem right, and in that way, a user doesn't have much of a say in it.

Yes, it's considered as a breach of contract. Any casino can change and modify its terms anytime they like, but they are oblige to let their users know the new terms or the new "contract", because you can disagree with it and leave the site if you don't agree the changes, like they require to agree the terms upon registration.

You can file a case if you have proof that you are not informed about the terms, the accused will be then defend your accusations. Because usually, reputed casino always informed its users by mail, it even has a banner on the site that there are changes on its terms. And they informed its users a head of time usually its weeks to seven days, because they are required to do it.

[RILWAN]

Some casinos have been known for scams and even though the player did not violate any of their rules, they still find a way to still take the deposits without any possible reason and if the players don't have strong evidence, to support their case they could go scot free but if there is evidence then the ops may have a case against the casino.

[Mr. Magkaisa]

     -   I haven't been able to play gambling for quite some time now, a few weeks, so every time I play, I don't check to see if anything has been changed in their rules. Because the last time I won crypto gambling, I didn't see any problem and I was able to withdraw the money I won which was not much.

Perhaps, other gamblers like me don't notice this, but of course it's still better to verify their clients so that they are also aware in case they have a withdrawal issue so they don't have to ask the their support.

[delfastTions]

     -   I haven't been able to play gambling for quite some time now, a few weeks, so every time I play, I don't check to see if anything has been changed in their rules. Because the last time I won crypto gambling, I didn't see any problem and I was able to withdraw the money I won which was not much.

Perhaps, other gamblers like me don't notice this, but of course it's still better to verify their clients so that they are also aware in case they have a withdrawal issue so they don't have to ask the their support.

In general, well-known casinos that have been operating on the market for a long time, in the case when you have passed the KYC procedure, which was introduced by almost all of these casinos, fulfilling the requirements of the law and the relevant requirements of local regulators, always notify players about serious changes in TOS. 
This is usually done by sending email notifications.  And sometimes the SMS is even duplicated if you have provided the casino with your mobile phone number.  When playing in such casinos, of course, you can not watch TOS every time you visit their site.  However, not all casinos do this.  Those who are smaller and not as friendly to their customers may not send out information about significant TOS changes. 
The main issue that is regulated and that is important for all players is, of course, the issue of withdrawing your funds, especially in the event of your big win.  And everything related to such an operation.  Amount limit, need for re-KYC, fee amounts, etc.

[Negotiation]

Some casinos have been known for scams and even though the player did not violate any of their rules, they still find a way to still take the deposits without any possible reason and if the players don't have strong evidence, to support their case they could go scot free but if there is evidence then the ops may have a case against the casino.

Even if you file a case against the casino, it takes a long time and it is very difficult to get the correct information from them. Due to the stiff competition for players, many legitimate casinos offer bonuses to both new and existing players. Reconsider when the deal looks very attractive scam casinos usually offer mouth watering bonuses, only asking the recipient player to make a deposit before receiving the prize. Worse, the wagering requirements may be disabled fraudulent casinos hide in their bonus schemes.

[Mr. Magkaisa]

     -   If a casino wants to change their Tos, I think it's their right because they are the ones who oversee it. And only us gamblers have nothing to do but follow it and play on their platform.

So it's normal in my opinion. It's not againts and I also think that I don't see anything wrong with something like this. Toss has a gambling casino. It's only us gamblers who probably give it a bad meaning, after all we are not forced to play on their platform casino.

[davis196]

Changing of terms and conditions without notifying the users or gamblers is normal with online gambling websites? Then when you did something wrong or about to withdraw your money they will tell you that you don't read their terms and conditions, and you start arguing with them until you decide to read the ToS again and you find out that it's different.

Some gambling websites consist of wicked owners that willingly plan to defraud their users using the ToS against them, or is this normal? Have such happened to anyone on this forum before?

Every online service(including online casinos) must be required by the law to notify their customers when there are changes in the Terms of Service. The customers must agree to the changes of the ToS, if they don't, they are free to leave that particular platform and close their accounts. I agree that some shady online casinos are using their ToS as an excuse to scam their gamblers. This is terrible, but we can't find a way to stop those casinos from doing such things. Maybe the only way would be to spread awareness about which casinos act shady and against which casinos the gamblers have the most negative reviews. Perhaps decentralized gambling might become the new norm after several years and the gamblers would just gamble by using their own cold wallets, instead of sending coins to a centralized entity.

[Wapfika]

     -   If a casino wants to change their Tos, I think it's their right because they are the ones who oversee it. And only us gamblers have nothing to do but follow it and play on their platform.

So it's normal in my opinion. It's not againts and I also think that I don't see anything wrong with something like this. Toss has a gambling casino. It's only us gamblers who probably give it a bad meaning, after all we are not forced to play on their platform casino.

It's really normal for a casino to change ToS without any notice to players but the main point of discussion here is the change of ToS just to use it against the existing case of user. It's not ethical to change ToS just to have an advantage over the players since it's like bullying players without a chance to explain. The good news is, Only shady casino do this kind of trick while the rest of the reputable casino don't modify their ToS for the purpose of taking advantage on someone case or to prevent someone to withdraw profit.

[danadc]

     -   If a casino wants to change their Tos, I think it's their right because they are the ones who oversee it. And only us gamblers have nothing to do but follow it and play on their platform.

So it's normal in my opinion. It's not againts and I also think that I don't see anything wrong with something like this. Toss has a gambling casino. It's only us gamblers who probably give it a bad meaning, after all we are not forced to play on their platform casino.

It's really normal for a casino to change ToS without any notice to players but the main point of discussion here is the change of ToS just to use it against the existing case of user. It's not ethical to change ToS just to have an advantage over the players since it's like bullying players without a chance to explain. The good news is, Only shady casino do this kind of trick while the rest of the reputable casino don't modify their ToS for the purpose of taking advantage on someone case or to prevent someone to withdraw profit.

When Coughs are exchanged for just one user, that is frowned upon, and it is also unethical and speaks very badly of a casino, and it also has to demonstrate that they do not have enough capital to be able to face the losses of a casino, and I think that a casino can change all its Tos but when there is no associated case it is the most illogical thing I can see and perceive from a casino, very poorly done, also if I see something like this happen in a casino I don't play or go near it again, because that It is something that is not right, that they do not deserve to be clients because the casino moves its rules at its convenience , and if they do it that way it is because they are not honest.

[QueenVera]

Any casino that intentionally  tempers with their terms and conditions  without informing  their customers  is a clear scam and there is no way a reputation  casino  would want to temper with their  terms of services simply because of a particular  user which isn't right.
The moment  any of this act is noticed  then legal actions should be taken on those casinos.

Some gambling websites consist of wicked owners that willingly plan to defraud their users using the ToS against them, or is this normal? Have such happened to anyone on this forum before?

The site have the right to change their ToS when deemed necessary but of course they have to notify everyone with regards to this one and give time to the gamblers to adjust accordingly.

The site has every right to change their term of service at anytime  but that should be done after notifying their customers and not just doing so without any prior  announcement  and suddenly  blame the gambler when a rule is been broken unintentionally.

[pawel7777]

     -   If a casino wants to change their Tos, I think it's their right because they are the ones who oversee it. And only us gamblers have nothing to do but follow it and play on their platform.

So it's normal in my opinion. It's not againts and I also think that I don't see anything wrong with something like this. Toss has a gambling casino. It's only us gamblers who probably give it a bad meaning, after all we are not forced to play on their platform casino.

Terms and Conditions are a form of agreement between the platform operator and the user. When you sign up, you agree to certain terms (in theory, in practice - no one reads that), so when the casino decides to change their T&Cs even a little bit, they should properly inform all the users and give them the option to opt-out and withdraw if they don't agree with the changes.

It's sad to see how people seem to be thinking that casinos have some sort of position of authority over players and they can do whatever they want. Casinos and players are equal parties to the agreement and both have their rights.
Also - as I said multiple times before, Terms of Service do not supersede the law.

[Odusko]

Only gambling sites like 1xbit will steal players' money and change the term and conditions I don't have any record of past accusations against them but then there is a high possibility of that happening at some point.
But at the same time any casino that suddenly change their TOS is tend to scam it users and each and every one should stay away from such casinos.

[stomachgrowls]

     -   If a casino wants to change their Tos, I think it's their right because they are the ones who oversee it. And only us gamblers have nothing to do but follow it and play on their platform.

So it's normal in my opinion. It's not againts and I also think that I don't see anything wrong with something like this. Toss has a gambling casino. It's only us gamblers who probably give it a bad meaning, after all we are not forced to play on their platform casino.

Terms and Conditions are a form of agreement between the platform operator and the user. When you sign up, you agree to certain terms (in theory, in practice - no one reads that), so when the casino decides to change their T&Cs even a little bit, they should properly inform all the users and give them the option to opt-out and withdraw if they don't agree with the changes.

It's sad to see how people seem to be thinking that casinos have some sort of position of authority over players and they can do whatever they want. Casinos and players are equal parties to the agreement and both have their rights.
Also - as I said multiple times before, Terms of Service do not supersede the law.

But we know that most of us would really be having no time on reading up those long pile of text on the time that we do make out some register on a certain platform or casino on which it would really be just that normal
that it is really that necessary to read up so that you've been aware on what are the dos and dont's of a certain platform but since every one of them does have that kind of similar words been stated and this is why i couldnt really blame out someone on why they would really be just simply ignoring these words and assume that it is really just the same when it comes to rules and conditions.

We should really make ourselves that think that we know that there might be some changes when it comes to terms which we might be able to miss out on reading it on. On the time
that there's some claim that you are going against their ToS then there's nothing you can fight on because you dont even know on what their TOS are and on the time that they would be shooting up
those issues then there's no much that you can do.

[Hispo]

Only gambling sites like 1xbit will steal players' money and change the term and conditions I don't have any record of past accusations against them but then there is a high possibility of that happening at some point.
But at the same time any casino that suddenly change their TOS is tend to scam it users and each and every one should stay away from such casinos.

I think that 1xbit has reached to the point that they do not even try to have any aura of legitimacy anymore and mess with the own Terms of Service to bend the situations in their favor. As far as I am aware they go with the usual money grab and them sending the same canned emails on "endind their collaboration"  

That is why I would advice anyone who wants to have a seamless experience from the get go, to try a reliable place or casino, instead venturing from the beginning to small and unknown platforms.

[BitcoinPanther]

Some gambling websites consist of wicked owners that willingly plan to defraud their users using the ToS against them, or is this normal? Have such happened to anyone on this forum before?

Modifying TOS just to suite the gambling casinos accusation on players isn't a normal thing to happen.  Only shrewd and scammer do this kind of tactics.  If you observe how reputable casino address they change of term and service, they either create a pop up on their website or email their users about the changes.  Reputable Casino thinks that it is ethical to inform  clients of possible changes in the terms and agreement besides, it is their responsibility to inform players of the changes in TOS.