Using ToS against users normal?

[khaled0111]

Many gamblers are not reading the rules and just acknowledge it to create an account. It's quite normal for many of us to directly play and not taking time to read what's written on their ToS thinking that casinos are often have similar ToS. This is the player's fault if he/she is not aware of the rules for being lazy.

In that case, if you break one of the rules out of ignorance and the casino bans your account or confiscate your money then there is no one to blame but yourself.
The good thing about casinos is that they have pretty much the same terms except minor differences. So when reading the ToS you have to focus only on what concerns you and what you believe might be different from the casino's you are familiar with.

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[Blitzboy]

Many gamblers are not reading the rules and just acknowledge it to create an account. It's quite normal for many of us to directly play and not taking time to read what's written on their ToS thinking that casinos are often have similar ToS. This is the player's fault if he/she is not aware of the rules for being lazy.

In that case, if you break one of the rules out of ignorance and the casino bans your account or confiscate your money then there is no one to blame but yourself.
The good thing about casinos is that they have pretty much the same terms except minor differences. So when reading the ToS you have to focus only on what concerns you and what you believe might be different from the casino's you are familiar with.

Overlooking a casino's rules, deliberately or accidentally, can invite unwanted outcomes. Many casinos do share similar service terms, but we should stay alert to subtle differences. Prioritizing the review of clauses affecting our gaming or transactions is wise. Let's remember, gambling is about balancing risk and reward. Knowing the game's rules and playing sensibly can enhance enjoyment while reducing risks.

[lienfaye]

Many gamblers are not reading the rules and just acknowledge it to create an account. It's quite normal for many of us to directly play and not taking time to read what's written on their ToS thinking that casinos are often have similar ToS. This is the player's fault if he/she is not aware of the rules for being lazy.

In that case, if you break one of the rules out of ignorance and the casino bans your account or confiscate your money then there is no one to blame but yourself.
The good thing about casinos is that they have pretty much the same terms except minor differences. So when reading the ToS you have to focus only on what concerns you and what you believe might be different from the casino's you are familiar with.

Indeed. It's really a must to read the casino's terms of service to know their rules. This way if you don't agree or you're not comfortable on some of their rules then you can switch playing to other casinos that best suits you. Aside from this, it's wise also to check the reviews of the particular platform to know the experience of other gamblers to help you decide if it's a good choice to stay or look for another.

Anyway, if you don't want to have headaches due to your laziness for not doing the basic things to do before playing, then always take time to read the ToS. Because this can save you from violating the rules that might hinder you to withdraw your profit if ever you win huge.

[maydna]

^^
Not reading the ToS is not an excuse.
It doesn't matter why you didn't read the ToS of the service, but if you are going to be punished then you should assume it. The terms where there in front if you and you signed with the service and acknowledged that you agree with its terms.
If they find you guilty of breaching those terms then there isn't much anyone can do. You are at fault here and you should assume your responsibilities.

yes, if the ToS is approved at the beginning we create an account on the gambling platform, then it will be our fault if we violate the conditions we have agreed to.
but if there is a ToS change and the platform does not make a notification on the web or their social media. then of course it needs to be questioned. because usually an exchange platform also makes a notification if there is a change in their terms. or any application usually sends emails regarding changes to some conditions. and if we still don't read it, of course, it will be our fault.

Gamblers often underestimate this by not reading notification emails or when they enter the casino because usually, there must be a small or big window notifying them of the change. And if they weren't alert or didn't understand, they would just close the window and go straight to the game. But some casinos only notify of changes in email so many don't check their email because they go straight to the casino site. And it can keep them from knowing if there is a change in the rules.

A player always has many things that he can achieve , among which he must be very Careful because if the players change and they do not realize it, it is likely that when they go to make withdrawals or do other types of contests, they will be taken by surprise Sometimes one when I play is not aware of the announcements they make, Because we only concentrate on playing, that is a classic, then surprises come, that is something very Common , I am not one to be Aware , but now that this Thread they talk about so Many things is a very good way to take care of my Interests.

If they never want to check the rules, they can miss the information if there is a change in the rules, and they can have difficulties when they want to withdraw the money. Even though we don't chase victory either, we also have to check the rules regularly to adjust properly because if we are lucky, we can win a lot of money. And if we don't check the rules before playing and it turns out that we win a lot of money, that can make us have to do something to be able to withdraw the winning money. So there's nothing wrong if we check the rules so we won't be disappointed later.

[Jawhead999]

If they never want to check the rules, they can miss the information if there is a change in the rules, and they can have difficulties when they want to withdraw the money. Even though we don't chase victory either, we also have to check the rules regularly to adjust properly because if we are lucky, we can win a lot of money. And if we don't check the rules before playing and it turns out that we win a lot of money, that can make us have to do something to be able to withdraw the winning money. So there's nothing wrong if we check the rules so we won't be disappointed later.

Terms of service in any regulated site is really long and you need to spend for at least 30 minutes to read an entire rules. The question is, how regular you read the whole terms? everyday? every week? every month? it's time wasting if your life is only used to read the casino terms.

Usually a regulated casino terms is similar to each other, they will ask to submit KYC including ask video or live, if you don't want to fulfill it, you will not able to withdraw your big winnings.

[pawel7777]

Terms of service in any regulated site is really long and you need to spend for at least 30 minutes to read an entire rules. The question is, how regular you read the whole terms? everyday? every week? every month? it's time wasting if your life is only used to read the casino terms.

Usually a regulated casino terms is similar to each other, they will ask to submit KYC including ask video or live, if you don't want to fulfill it, you will not able to withdraw your big winnings.

Any regulated, law-compliant casino would not be able to pull any nasty tricks on their players via changes to ToS, as the law would usually offer protection to the players, or at least their deposited funds.
And for non-regulated ones, operating from exotic jurisdictions, regular studying of their ToS is probably pointless, as they could either change them whenever they see fit, or even ignore their own rules, as you unlikely will ever be able to take any legal actions, so it's all about trust and reputation.

[uneng]

Any regulated, law-compliant casino would not be able to pull any nasty tricks on their players via changes to ToS, as the law would usually offer protection to the players, or at least their deposited funds.
And for non-regulated ones, operating from exotic jurisdictions, regular studying of their ToS is probably pointless, as they could either change them whenever they see fit, or even ignore their own rules, as you unlikely will ever be able to take any legal actions, so it's all about trust and reputation.

As far as I know casinos have to ask users to agree with terms and conditions once again every time they make changes on it, doesn't matter how little they are, just like banks and every other services do. Moreover, a timeframe must be presented for users to cashout their funds, if they disagree the new terms. If casinos attempt to change (to forge) a document which was signed by an user, they are commiting a crime and will have to pay for it if the user denounces them to regulators.

However, proof is needed and I think the only way to do this would be to download and backup a copy of the terms and conditions on the moment of the agreement.

[Docnaster]

Any regulated, law-compliant casino would not be able to pull any nasty tricks on their players via changes to ToS, as the law would usually offer protection to the players, or at least their deposited funds.
And for non-regulated ones, operating from exotic jurisdictions, regular studying of their ToS is probably pointless, as they could either change them whenever they see fit, or even ignore their own rules, as you unlikely will ever be able to take any legal actions, so it's all about trust and reputation.

As far as I know casinos have to ask users to agree with terms and conditions once again every time they make changes on it, doesn't matter how little they are, just like banks and every other services do. Moreover, a timeframe must be presented for users to cashout their funds, if they disagree the new terms. If casinos attempt to change (to forge) a document which was signed by an user, they are commiting a crime and will have to pay for it if the user denounces them to regulators.

However, proof is needed and I think the only way to do this would be to download and backup a copy of the terms and conditions on the moment of the agreement.

Making it downloadable is the only way out of this. Some casinos could actually make changes and refuse to let gamblers know just like what Op said and then clear their changes log. How will an ordinary gambler like me and you trace it. When you complain they will refer you to the ToS and since you don't have a backup of the original terms you lost the case
In most cases too, gamblers doesn't care much about ToS, they will go straight and start gambling.

[Haunebu]

This is easily one of the biggest issues with online gambling sites these days. I didn't experience this issue yet, but I have seen so many legit gamblers get screwed because of greedy sites taking advantage of the TOS.

This is why gamblers need to do their research thoroughly and regularly store proof of their important transactions which could be helpful later on.

[Questat]

This is why gamblers need to do their research thoroughly and regularly store proof of their important transactions which could be helpful later on.

It's necessary if you are gambling with a huge sum of money as you'll surely want to ensure that you can recover your winnings in case the gambling site cheats you. However, for typical gamblers who don't risk a significant amount of money, pursuing legal action can be time-consuming and a waste of effort as it takes time for gambling sites to be convicted of their wrongdoings.

[mak013]

It is so. And if the gambler would read the ToS more attentively they often wouldn`t accepted it. Lots of paragraphs are written so blurry that the casino can ban gambler, or set the limits, or cancel his bet any moment. I had such problems several times and i can`t do anything with it - it is written in the ToS. The main problem that such situation is true for the most part of the casinos and you can read all the ToS attentively and don`t like it but you have to agree with it because you`ll get the same ToS in all other casinos.

^Laziness I think why most reason gamblers did not know the terms.
However, as I notice here there are many responsible gamblers who do take the time to read and understand the terms and conditions before engaging in any gambling activities. But most of them think that some gamblers may have used similar gambling services before and assume that the terms and conditions are likely to be similar as well. This assumption can lead to complacency and a lack of thorough reading which the result is not good for us.

Sure, many gamers find TOS a roadblock and overlook it, but it's this neglect that can cause problems. The TOS isn't just wordy gibberish; it's a pact detailing rights and duties of both parties. Believing that reading TOS is time-wasting doesn't lessen its key role in warding off disputes. Gamers could dodge troubles by knowing what they're agreeing to. Promoting TOS awareness isn't useless, even if largely ignored. Skipping the TOS can lead to unexpected issues like account freezing, lost income, or quarrels with support. Thus, urging players to read TOS can spare time and future headaches.

It is so. And if the gambler would read the ToS more attentively they often wouldn`t accepted it. Lots of paragraphs are written so blurry that the casino can ban gambler, or set the limits, or cancel his bet any moment. I had such problems several times and i can`t do anything with it - it is written in the ToS. The main problem that such situation is true for the most part of the casinos and you can read all the ToS attentively and don`t like it but you have to agree with it because you`ll get the same ToS in all other casinos.

Before accepting the terms and conditions, gamblers should carefully read and understand them. Reviewing the terms can be time-consuming and challenging, but it is important for users to understand the risks and limitations associated with using a particular casino platform. ToS clauses that you find unfavorable or ambiguous must be carefully considered before you accept them. Whenever you have questions or concerns, you can reach out to the casino's customer service team. Your specific concerns may be addressed by them or they may be able to provide more information.

While many casinos have similar or even identical terms, it's still important to read each ToS carefully, as there may be subtle differences or additional clauses that may affect your experience, But I will never support changing ToS silently, in a casino want to change some certain ToS they should inform the existing customer first.

I don`t talking about reading ToS. If the gambler didn`t read the ToS and agreed with it - it is only his problem. And it doesn`t matter was the gambler lazy or just decided that it is the same ToS.
But the gambler can`t do anything with the paragraphs in the ToS. He has to agree with them or search the casino without these paragraphs. And the problem is that these paragraphs are the same for the casinos and no one will change them.

[Haunebu]

It's necessary if you are gambling with a huge sum of money as you'll surely want to ensure that you can recover your winnings in case the gambling site cheats you. However, for typical gamblers who don't risk a significant amount of money, pursuing legal action can be time-consuming and a waste of effort as it takes time for gambling sites to be convicted of their wrongdoings.

Great point. I didn't really think of that. Most victims are usually small scale gamblers who cannot do much after getting screwed over, but they can still harm the site thanks to the proof that they collected within this forum and other sites.

Problem here is that most people are lazy which is why they don't bother with collecting proof and end up regretting it later on if they face such situations.

A couple of screenshots now and then is all it takes to safeguard your account and funds.

[jostorres]

Any regulated, law-compliant casino would not be able to pull any nasty tricks on their players via changes to ToS, as the law would usually offer protection to the players, or at least their deposited funds.
And for non-regulated ones, operating from exotic jurisdictions, regular studying of their ToS is probably pointless, as they could either change them whenever they see fit, or even ignore their own rules, as you unlikely will ever be able to take any legal actions, so it's all about trust and reputation.

As far as I know casinos have to ask users to agree with terms and conditions once again every time they make changes on it, doesn't matter how little they are, just like banks and every other services do. Moreover, a timeframe must be presented for users to cashout their funds, if they disagree the new terms. If casinos attempt to change (to forge) a document which was signed by an user, they are commiting a crime and will have to pay for it if the user denounces them to regulators.

However, proof is needed and I think the only way to do this would be to download and backup a copy of the terms and conditions on the moment of the agreement.

I think casinos are way wiser than that, they generally have a statement in their terms and conditions which says that they have the right to change, remove or modify any rule or statement written in terms and conditions at any given time, and guess what? Users agree with that when they are signing up, and when users accepted that themselves, there is nothing left about it and it wouldn't be considered a crime, it might be unethical not informing the customers though.

This is the reason why a gambler should always read the terms and conditions before they join a platform and they should always keep themselves updated. Most casinos don't make changes and if they do, they let their players know, but some might do it, so gamblers need to watch out.

[pawel7777]

As far as I know casinos have to ask users to agree with terms and conditions once again every time they make changes on it, doesn't matter how little they are, just like banks and every other services do. Moreover, a timeframe must be presented for users to cashout their funds, if they disagree the new terms.

Exactly, it's not limited to casinos, but it goes to pretty much any online service. But that's assuming such service operates in compliance with the law, and there are plenty of casinos that operate illegally or half-legally (which is not necessarily a bad thing though).

Most victims are usually small scale gamblers who cannot do much after getting screwed over, but they can still harm the site thanks to the proof that they collected within this forum and other sites.

I think if the casino is trying to pull a scam, it would be easier to screw few big players than hundreds of small ones, as in the latter scenario, a larger group of victims would make much more noise online and the word would spread much faster.
From the legal perspective: if casino has chosen to pull up a scam, they wouldn't care about any legal action anyway. And if they operate legally and screwed people unintentionally, then you'd expect authorities to eventually step in and order them to make the players whole.

[GiftedMAN]

Many gamblers are not reading the rules and just acknowledge it to create an account. It's quite normal for many of us to directly play and not taking time to read what's written on their ToS thinking that casinos are often have similar ToS. This is the player's fault if he/she is not aware of the rules for being lazy.

In that case, if you break one of the rules out of ignorance and the casino bans your account or confiscate your money then there is no one to blame but yourself.
The good thing about casinos is that they have pretty much the same terms except minor differences. So when reading the ToS you have to focus only on what concerns you and what you believe might be different from the casino's you are familiar with.

Overlooking a casino's rules, deliberately or accidentally, can invite unwanted outcomes. Many casinos do share similar service terms, but we should stay alert to subtle differences. Prioritizing the review of clauses affecting our gaming or transactions is wise. Let's remember, gambling is about balancing risk and reward. Knowing the game's rules and playing sensibly can enhance enjoyment while reducing risks.

The terms and conditions are meant to guide every gamblers on making the right choice and following the already set down rules so that they can bet in the type of games they like without breaching at rules. It is important for us to always check the terms and see if there is any changes even though we are not notified about any changes in the terms we are ought to follow. It a sense of manipulation if a casino is not updating there terms and informing customers at the same time to check it out and keep abiding by the rules.

[Haunebu]

And if they operate legally and screwed people unintentionally, then you'd expect authorities to eventually step in and order them to make the players whole.

The authorities cannot really do much to anonymous crypto gambling sites operating discreetly from around the world which is one of the biggest pros and cons of crypto gambling in my honest opinion.

Many victims tried to file lawsuits against scammy crypto gambling sites and failed primarily due to this particular issue.

[delfastTions]

And if they operate legally and screwed people unintentionally, then you'd expect authorities to eventually step in and order them to make the players whole.

The authorities cannot really do much to anonymous crypto gambling sites operating discreetly from around the world which is one of the biggest pros and cons of crypto gambling in my honest opinion.

Many victims tried to file lawsuits against scammy crypto gambling sites and failed primarily due to this particular issue.

I think that the authorities are simply not able to keep track of the many casinos in general in the global gambling industry, since there are so many of these casinos themselves and they are all registered in different jurisdictions.  Some of these casinos have licenses, such as the Curacao license, some say they have a license and even show a scanned copy of the document, although this is a fake, some do not mention licensing at all.  So in general, in the flow of this information, which is generally a mixture of truth and lies, and as a rule there are more lies, it is extremely difficult to calculate and take response measures from law enforcement officers.  And there is also the problem of the territorial registration of the casino or false registration.

 I hope the authorities and law enforcement officers will guess with time and the development of technical progress to connect AI to the search for calculations and blocking casinos that have at least the slightest signs of fraud.  There is only one hope that here AI will help humanity. 
Although I'm not at all sure that scammers will not be able to deceive AI either. 

[Sanitough]

I think that the authorities are simply not able to keep track of the many casinos in general in the global gambling industry, since there are so many of these casinos themselves and they are all registered in different jurisdictions. 

The thing is, if a casino is registered in a different jurisdiction, it may not be regulated by the local authorities. The authorities would only be able to take action if there are complaints from gamblers that they can investigate. However, the problem is that most gamblers are reluctant to file a case, especially if the amount involved is not significant and it would require investing their time.

That's why communities like bitcointalk exist. They provide a platform where we can give feedback on casinos with bad reputations, allowing people to avoid them.

[maydna]

If they never want to check the rules, they can miss the information if there is a change in the rules, and they can have difficulties when they want to withdraw the money. Even though we don't chase victory either, we also have to check the rules regularly to adjust properly because if we are lucky, we can win a lot of money. And if we don't check the rules before playing and it turns out that we win a lot of money, that can make us have to do something to be able to withdraw the winning money. So there's nothing wrong if we check the rules so we won't be disappointed later.

Terms of service in any regulated site is really long and you need to spend for at least 30 minutes to read an entire rules. The question is, how regular you read the whole terms? everyday? every week? every month? it's time wasting if your life is only used to read the casino terms.

Usually a regulated casino terms is similar to each other, they will ask to submit KYC including ask video or live, if you don't want to fulfill it, you will not able to withdraw your big winnings.

How come it's a waste of time? It's worth doing to see if there is a change or you can also wait until there is notification from the casino about the change in the rules. Perhaps, once a month could be the time to read the rules. After all, it's for your own good rather than later regret because of a rule change.

Well, it's usually like that but we don't know what changes the casino will make. For this reason, we must try to find out for ourselves. If we have done KYC, it seems like everything will be fine, but who knows?

[pawel7777]

How come it's a waste of time? It's worth doing to see if there is a change or you can also wait until there is notification from the casino about the change in the rules. Perhaps, once a month could be the time to read the rules. After all, it's for your own good rather than later regret because of a rule change.

Well, it's usually like that but we don't know what changes the casino will make. For this reason, we must try to find out for ourselves. If we have done KYC, it seems like everything will be fine, but who knows?

Do you actually do that yourself, or just decided it's a smart thing to preach to others? Do you actually dedicate a big chunk of your life to sit down and study all the ToSs of all the services that you use just to see if there have been any changes (do you run version compare in Word lol)?

Yes, reading entire ToSs is usually pointless, unless you want to learn about some specific rule that interests you, but for an average, regular user, that's not necessary and nobody does that in practice (yourself included).