Using ToS against users normal?

[maydna]

How come it's a waste of time? It's worth doing to see if there is a change or you can also wait until there is notification from the casino about the change in the rules. Perhaps, once a month could be the time to read the rules. After all, it's for your own good rather than later regret because of a rule change.

Well, it's usually like that but we don't know what changes the casino will make. For this reason, we must try to find out for ourselves. If we have done KYC, it seems like everything will be fine, but who knows?

Do you actually do that yourself, or just decided it's a smart thing to preach to others? Do you actually dedicate a big chunk of your life to sit down and study all the ToSs of all the services that you use just to see if there have been any changes (do you run version compare in Word lol)?

Yes, reading entire ToSs is usually pointless, unless you want to learn about some specific rule that interests you, but for an average, regular user, that's not necessary and nobody does that in practice (yourself included).

I do it myself, but since I don't gamble too much, I don't need it because I only gamble for fun and not for the pursuit of winning. I don't need to read all the ToS of all services because I've seen several notifications sent to my email or when I log in to my account. If you are a real gambler, you certainly don't want to get into trouble just for not reading the changes in the rules, do you?

Usually, the casino will notify all of its members if there is a change in the rules. The last time I looked at Stake, it popped up a window containing its latest rules and asking gamblers to agree to them.

[Mr.right85]

Changing of terms and conditions without notifying the users or gamblers is normal with online gambling websites? Then when you did something wrong or about to withdraw your money they will tell you that you don't read their terms and conditions, and you start arguing with them until you decide to read the ToS again and you find out that it's different.

Some gambling websites consist of wicked owners that willingly plan to defraud their users using the ToS against them, or is this normal? Have such happened to anyone on this forum before?

I don't find it abnormal for gambling sites to update there terms of service. What I find unusual is them having not yo send it out to there customers, using whatever means of notification available to them like they do with there promotions. That's outrightly wrong and casinosbor sportsbook found with this sort of behaviour should look into it or  looked into.
Terms of service updated after registration is usually not considered binding on old existing customers except given the opportunity to reconsider there stands with the update. That's what's obtainable and how it should be done.
There are news feeds and even at that, the mails be sent out as a means of fulfilling all righteousness.

[Wiwo]

How come it's a waste of time? It's worth doing to see if there is a change or you can also wait until there is notification from the casino about the change in the rules. Perhaps, once a month could be the time to read the rules. After all, it's for your own good rather than later regret because of a rule change.

Well, it's usually like that but we don't know what changes the casino will make. For this reason, we must try to find out for ourselves. If we have done KYC, it seems like everything will be fine, but who knows?

Do you actually do that yourself, or just decided it's a smart thing to preach to others? Do you actually dedicate a big chunk of your life to sit down and studying all the ToSs of all the services that you use just to see if there have been any changes (do you run version compare in Word lol)?

Yes, reading entire ToSs is usually pointless, unless you want to learn about some specific rule that interests you, but for an average, regular user, that's not necessary and nobody does that in practice (yourself included).

I do it myself, but since I don't gamble too much, I don't need it because I only gamble for fun and not for the pursuit of winning. I don't need to read all the ToS of all services because I've seen several notifications sent to my email or when I log in to my account. If you are a real gambler, you certainly don't want to get into trouble just for not reading the changes in the rules, do you?

Usually, the casino will notify all of its members if there is a change in the rules. The last time I looked at Stake, it popped up a window containing its latest rules and asking gamblers to agree to them.

I believe that there is no loss in reading the TOS of a gambling site before registering because that is what will provide you with the guide on how to protect yourself from falling into trouble while you are playing on the site,  but a lot of gamblers don't take note of that and at the end fall into problems on the long run and this is something the great of us should learn from.

We have to read the terms and conditions of the casino we want to gamble on for the long term,  what I do is read only the TOS of the casinos I like most since the document can be large sometimesmes.

[Bushdark]

Changing of terms and conditions without notifying the users or gamblers is normal with online gambling websites? Then when you did something wrong or about to withdraw your money they will tell you that you don't read their terms and conditions, and you start arguing with them until you decide to read the ToS again and you find out that it's different.

Some gambling websites consist of wicked owners that willingly plan to defraud their users using the ToS against them, or is this normal? Have such happened to anyone on this forum before?

I don't find it abnormal for gambling sites to update there terms of service. What I find unusual is them having not yo send it out to there customers, using whatever means of notification available to them like they do with there promotions. That's outrightly wrong and casinosbor sportsbook found with this sort of behaviour should look into it or  looked into.
Terms of service updated after registration is usually not considered binding on old existing customers except given the opportunity to reconsider there stands with the update. That's what's obtainable and how it should be done.
There are news feeds and even at that, the mails be sent out as a means of fulfilling all righteousness.

This is a fraudulent act and they are based on different reasons that we might not know. Some time they may send the updated terms and conditions to some gamblers why leaving others without notifying them. This is why we need to use casinos thatbhave at least some good reputation even though in the past. I know people chances likewise casinos too.

It is better for us to choose from the casinos that have there threads on this forum so that when we have problem, we can easily run to the for our problem to be resolve without plenty writeups and complaints. This is a safe place where there are plenty of casinos where we can always move from one casino to another without having a problem of withdrawal or scam. So many threads here that we can check and reach the team anytime we have problems to be resolved.

[South Park]

I believe that there is no loss in reading the TOS of a gambling site before registering because that is what will provide you with the guide on how to protect yourself from falling into trouble while you are playing on the site,  but a lot of gamblers don't take note of that and at the end fall into problems on the long run and this is something the great of us should learn from.

We have to read the terms and conditions of the casino we want to gamble on for the long term,  what I do is read only the TOS of the casinos I like most since the document can be large sometimesmes.

Most people do not bother reading the terms of service of each casino as they think every casino out there is using a similar template and the rules should be roughly the same, and while they may have a point there, just a small difference in one rule can be the difference between becoming profitable and getting your account closed down because you violated one of their rules, so whenever a gambler begins to gamble at a new casino they need to read those terms so they do not get surprised with some unfair rules the casino could have put there.

[SamReomo]

I believe that there is no loss in reading the TOS of a gambling site before registering because that is what will provide you with the guide on how to protect yourself from falling into trouble while you are playing on the site,  but a lot of gamblers don't take note of that and at the end fall into problems on the long run and this is something the great of us should learn from.

We have to read the terms and conditions of the casino we want to gamble on for the long term,  what I do is read only the TOS of the casinos I like most since the document can be large sometimesmes.

Most people do not bother reading the terms of service of each casino as they think every casino out there is using a similar template and the rules should be roughly the same, and while they may have a point there, just a small difference in one rule can be the difference between becoming profitable and getting your account closed down because you violated one of their rules, so whenever a gambler begins to gamble at a new casino they need to read those terms so they do not get surprised with some unfair rules the casino could have put there.

That's very true because it's a fact that most of the gamblers avoid reading T&C of a casino site, and they doesn't care if the Casino has any strict rules or not. Many gamblers start gambling as soon as they register their account, and few people just deposit crypto-currencies and doesn't even care about KYC because of the entertainment part. That's the main reason why most of the gamblers accounts are frozen.

Some of those gamblers use VPN to hide their real IP address, and most of those VPN's are free, and they all share the same IP addresses to all users. Even if a single user who visit the site using the VPN's IP address performs a malicious activity, the all users on the IP address could face troubles in future. A gambler should read the T&C of a gambling site carefully before doing any kind of gambling on that casino, otherwise they will have to bear the consequences of their greediness.

[Fortify]

Changing of terms and conditions without notifying the users or gamblers is normal with online gambling websites? Then when you did something wrong or about to withdraw your money they will tell you that you don't read their terms and conditions, and you start arguing with them until you decide to read the ToS again and you find out that it's different.

Some gambling websites consist of wicked owners that willingly plan to defraud their users using the ToS against them, or is this normal? Have such happened to anyone on this forum before?

It's worth pointing out that terms of service cannot overrule the rule of law in the relevant jurisdictions and if they try to impose unfair rule changes by stealth then they can possibly open themselves up to all sorts of legal remedies. However, it is an unusual scenario to see a major rule change that would be unfair to most users because they are usually just small tweaks made when new avenues of abuse are opened up against the casinos. Things like this are very bad for business and many sites usually evolve over time but have the foundations of their terms of service pretty broad at the beginning. Sometimes it'll work in the users favor if they get more specific about certain scenarios that may apply or it might even be initiated by legal action against them.

[danadc]

If they never want to check the rules, they can miss the information if there is a change in the rules, and they can have difficulties when they want to withdraw the money. Even though we don't chase victory either, we also have to check the rules regularly to adjust properly because if we are lucky, we can win a lot of money. And if we don't check the rules before playing and it turns out that we win a lot of money, that can make us have to do something to be able to withdraw the winning money. So there's nothing wrong if we check the rules so we won't be disappointed later.

Terms of service in any regulated site is really long and you need to spend for at least 30 minutes to read an entire rules. The question is, how regular you read the whole terms? everyday? every week? every month? it's time wasting if your life is only used to read the casino terms.

Usually a regulated casino terms is similar to each other, they will ask to submit KYC including ask video or live, if you don't want to fulfill it, you will not able to withdraw your big winnings.

How come it's a waste of time? It's worth doing to see if there is a change or you can also wait until there is notification from the casino about the change in the rules. Perhaps, once a month could be the time to read the rules. After all, it's for your own good rather than later regret because of a rule change.

Well, it's usually like that but we don't know what changes the casino will make. For this reason, we must try to find out for ourselves. If we have done KYC, it seems like everything will be fine, but who knows?

I never trust something like that, for me it is very important that the things that can occur such as having the terms correctly set without changes, because first I am not a player who always reads the terms, I have gotten rough for not reading, And if I enter a casino where I read the terms and I don't see anything favorable to me but that it is constantly changing, I don't stay because that is something that does not give me confidence, how can I trust a casino like this? there is no way, if I see that they change it is because they do it at the convenience of the casino, they will never do it to benefit the players, they will not be stupid to do it.

[Renampun]

Changing of terms and conditions without notifying the users or gamblers is normal with online gambling websites? Then when you did something wrong or about to withdraw your money they will tell you that you don't read their terms and conditions, and you start arguing with them until you decide to read the ToS again and you find out that it's different.

Some gambling websites consist of wicked owners that willingly plan to defraud their users using the ToS against them, or is this normal? Have such happened to anyone on this forum before?

Trusted gambling sites will definitely keep their users informed about any events or changes that occur to their gambling sites (especially for countries that are not so friendly to casinos and cryptocurrency). changes will always be there and we can't refuse it but if the TOS changes in the casino, they don't inform the user in advance then most likely the site is trying to deceive users (immediately withdraw your money and leave the gambling site before they make it difficult for you to do that).

[Hamphser]

If they never want to check the rules, they can miss the information if there is a change in the rules, and they can have difficulties when they want to withdraw the money. Even though we don't chase victory either, we also have to check the rules regularly to adjust properly because if we are lucky, we can win a lot of money. And if we don't check the rules before playing and it turns out that we win a lot of money, that can make us have to do something to be able to withdraw the winning money. So there's nothing wrong if we check the rules so we won't be disappointed later.

Terms of service in any regulated site is really long and you need to spend for at least 30 minutes to read an entire rules. The question is, how regular you read the whole terms? everyday? every week? every month? it's time wasting if your life is only used to read the casino terms.

Usually a regulated casino terms is similar to each other, they will ask to submit KYC including ask video or live, if you don't want to fulfill it, you will not able to withdraw your big winnings.

How come it's a waste of time? It's worth doing to see if there is a change or you can also wait until there is notification from the casino about the change in the rules. Perhaps, once a month could be the time to read the rules. After all, it's for your own good rather than later regret because of a rule change.

Well, it's usually like that but we don't know what changes the casino will make. For this reason, we must try to find out for ourselves. If we have done KYC, it seems like everything will be fine, but who knows?

I never trust something like that, for me it is very important that the things that can occur such as having the terms correctly set without changes, because first I am not a player who always reads the terms, I have gotten rough for not reading, And if I enter a casino where I read the terms and I don't see anything favorable to me but that it is constantly changing, I don't stay because that is something that does not give me confidence, how can I trust a casino like this? there is no way, if I see that they change it is because they do it at the convenience of the casino, they will never do it to benefit the players, they will not be stupid to do it.

99% on which most of us do really neglect out on reading up TOS on which it would really be a reason on why we do users do really experience out that kind of problem on which on the time that they would be making

out some silent changes or doesnt really able to make some announcement then it would really make lots of people would really be committing out such violation on which means that lots of users funds would be locked up or would be forfeited or something like that. It is really thats somewhat shady if they do really have that kind of behavior on which it would really be just that ethical if they would be at least
having those kind of small announcement about telling the users that they made up some changes.

Despite on not really that too relevant or something that not necessary but having at least the time on saying up such changes would be more preferable.

[harizen]

Some of those gamblers use VPN to hide their real IP address, and most of those VPN's are free, and they all share the same IP addresses to all users. Even if a single user who visit the site using the VPN's IP address performs a malicious activity, the all users on the IP address could face troubles in future.

Although generally, VPNs are mostly accepted by some gambling sites, users just have to make sure that they are using them for a good purpose.

It's fine to hide the IP address as long as the user is still accessing the site in a supported country or region.

But in the case of using VPN in the prohibited countries, that was a different story and is now subject to account suspension or possibly termination.

A gambler should read the T&C of a gambling site carefully before doing any kind of gambling on that casino, otherwise they will have to bear the consequences of their greediness.

How does greediness have something to do with it? Users just want to gamble.

If you are referring to bonuses, it's actually tough to abuse bonuses nowadays. Gambling sites are wise.

[Blitzboy]

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99% on which most of us do really neglect out on reading up TOS on which it would really be a reason on why we do users do really experience out that kind of problem on which on the time that they would be making

out some silent changes or doesnt really able to make some announcement then it would really make lots of people would really be committing out such violation on which means that lots of users funds would be locked up or would be forfeited or something like that. It is really thats somewhat shady if they do really have that kind of behavior on which it would really be just that ethical if they would be at least
having those kind of small announcement about telling the users that they made up some changes.

Despite on not really that too relevant or something that not necessary but having at least the time on saying up such changes would be more preferable.

Your worries about platforms skipping user alerts on service term updates are justifiable. It breaches the transparency ethos, a cornerstone of the Bitcoin community. Clearly, platforms must up their game. Tools like auto-alerts or bulletins could pave the path. Not only boosting transparency, but nurturing community trust and fairness. Despite hurdles, Im optimistic. Bitcoin's essence invites self-regulation. As a collective, we can urge platforms to raise their standards. United, we can effect change.

[maydna]

I believe that there is no loss in reading the TOS of a gambling site before registering because that is what will provide you with the guide on how to protect yourself from falling into trouble while you are playing on the site,  but a lot of gamblers don't take note of that and at the end fall into problems on the long run and this is something the great of us should learn from.

We have to read the terms and conditions of the casino we want to gamble on for the long term,  what I do is read only the TOS of the casinos I like most since the document can be large sometimesmes.

That is the point because by reading the TOS, we can know more about the rules made by the casino so that we don't experience any problems while playing gambling. We also have to pay attention to what is allowed and what is not allowed because this has been experienced by many gamblers who are not careful in reading their TOS. Even though reading the TOS might take a long time, it's still worth doing because it's for our own good in playing gambling. Later, if we win and want to withdraw the money, we already know what to do to withdraw the money smoothly.

I never trust something like that, for me it is very important that the things that can occur such as having the terms correctly set without changes, because first I am not a player who always reads the terms, I have gotten rough for not reading, And if I enter a casino where I read the terms and I don't see anything favorable to me but that it is constantly changing, I don't stay because that is something that does not give me confidence, how can I trust a casino like this? there is no way, if I see that they change it is because they do it at the convenience of the casino, they will never do it to benefit the players, they will not be stupid to do it.

The rules at the casino can change at any time, without or with notification and this requires our attention so that we can be aware of these changes and we need to adapt to the new regulations. It's better for us to take a moment to know the rules than to regret them later because when we want to withdraw the winning money but find ourselves in trouble, it will disappoint us. There may be a reason the casino changed the rules so that people who don't see the TOS can get in trouble. But a trusted and good casino will always notify you if there is a change in the rules.

[wiss19]

I never trust something like that, for me it is very important that the things that can occur such as having the terms correctly set without changes, because first I am not a player who always reads the terms, I have gotten rough for not reading, And if I enter a casino where I read the terms and I don't see anything favorable to me but that it is constantly changing, I don't stay because that is something that does not give me confidence, how can I trust a casino like this? there is no way, if I see that they change it is because they do it at the convenience of the casino, they will never do it to benefit the players, they will not be stupid to do it.

For everything they do on their platforms, they might show this way, but it isn't to benefit the players because they are running businesses and they need to take care of their revenue generation instead of taking care of players and their benefits. I know that there are some casinos that care too much about their gamblers because they know that they are nothing without them and their platform will be useless if there are no gamblers.

But that isn't the case with every casino out there, that is the reason why we should be vigilant when choosing a platform where we will gamble because not all of them are the same nor they are all trusted at the same level whether it's about terms and conditions or anything else.

[virasisog]

I never trust something like that, for me it is very important that the things that can occur such as having the terms correctly set without changes, because first I am not a player who always reads the terms, I have gotten rough for not reading, And if I enter a casino where I read the terms and I don't see anything favorable to me but that it is constantly changing, I don't stay because that is something that does not give me confidence, how can I trust a casino like this? there is no way, if I see that they change it is because they do it at the convenience of the casino, they will never do it to benefit the players, they will not be stupid to do it.

For everything they do on their platforms, they might show this way, but it isn't to benefit the players because they are running businesses and they need to take care of their revenue generation instead of taking care of players and their benefits. I know that there are some casinos that care too much about their gamblers because they know that they are nothing without them and their platform will be useless if there are no gamblers.

But that isn't the case with every casino out there, that is the reason why we should be vigilant when choosing a platform where we will gamble because not all of them are the same nor they are all trusted at the same level whether it's about terms and conditions or anything else.

There are shady casinos that simply care about their bottom line and don't value their customers. In some cases, the TOS have even been applied to penalize winning customers. Numerous complaints have been made against these kinds of casinos, thus it is understandable that their reputation has also been harmed by their behavior.

But when it comes to reputable casinos, I don't think they will do such thing because they will not allow their reputation to be affected negatively by that kind of act. They are following what's in the TOS and they are not even using it against their players. They know how to value their gamblers because they are the ones who generate funds for their business.

They still have the right to change their TOS anytime but they are also informing their gamblers. However, it is still our personal responsibility to check on the changes from time to time. Yes, reading will be time consuming but it will still be best for our future activities and transactions. We still have a part in assuring our wellness in a casino site.

[pawel7777]

I do it myself, but since I don't gamble too much, I don't need it because I only gamble for fun and not for the pursuit of winning. I don't need to read all the ToS of all services because I've seen several notifications sent to my email or when I log in to my account.

I find it hard to believe that you have actually read a full ToS of any gambling site, it doesn't make sense especially when you don't gamble too much. Why would you spend a chunk of your free time to read them if you only wanted to play a little bit? It does not add up.

Sure, sending notifications of any changes is a good practice, but did Stake.com actually obliged themselves (in the ToS) to send notifications of any changes? If not, you'd still have to read them everytime you log in, if you want to practice what you preach.

If you are a real gambler, you certainly don't want to get into trouble just for not reading the changes in the rules, do you?

If you're a real gambler, you'll take a gamble of not reading them 
But seriously, as mentioned before, unless you're looking for a specific, nuanced information, reading ToS doesn't help much and does not guarantee you won't get in trouble, as those would almost always be worded in favour of the house, not the player. So what really protects you is either the law, or a hope that casino is genuine and will not engage in any shady practice out of a fear of losing reputation.

[klidex]

The rules at the casino can change at any time, without or with notification and this requires our attention so that we can be aware of these changes and we need to adapt to the new regulations. It's better for us to take a moment to know the rules than to regret them later because when we want to withdraw the winning money but find ourselves in trouble, it will disappoint us. There may be a reason the casino changed the rules so that people who don't see the TOS can get in trouble. But a trusted and good casino will always notify you if there is a change in the rules.

Yes, not all casinos will give notifications when there are changes to the TOS, but as I recall, the popular casinos that I currently use, such as Stake.com, will notify you when you open the site after the TOS changes have been made.
Like last time when Stake changed the TOS and I opened the site and there was a notification that there was a change in the TOS that had been determined.
It is at that time that we are obliged to read the changes that have occurred so that we avoid the problem of violating the TOS.
Maybe not all casinos will have the same notices but I hope we all at least read a little bit about the more important TOS we have to comply with.

[mak013]

Changing of terms and conditions without notifying the users or gamblers is normal with online gambling websites? Then when you did something wrong or about to withdraw your money they will tell you that you don't read their terms and conditions, and you start arguing with them until you decide to read the ToS again and you find out that it's different.

Some gambling websites consist of wicked owners that willingly plan to defraud their users using the ToS against them, or is this normal? Have such happened to anyone on this forum before?

Trusted gambling sites will definitely keep their users informed about any events or changes that occur to their gambling sites (especially for countries that are not so friendly to casinos and cryptocurrency). changes will always be there and we can't refuse it but if the TOS changes in the casino, they don't inform the user in advance then most likely the site is trying to deceive users (immediately withdraw your money and leave the gambling site before they make it difficult for you to do that).

It isn`t so. Lots of casinos just have a paragraph in ToS that they can change ToS as they want and the gambler has to check it regulary.
The best of them after changes makes a gambler to accept it again but it is rare situation. And anyway even such casinos ToS contains some paragraphs that allows to cancel gambler`s win.

[piebeyb]

The rules at the casino can change at any time, without or with notification and this requires our attention so that we can be aware of these changes and we need to adapt to the new regulations. It's better for us to take a moment to know the rules than to regret them later because when we want to withdraw the winning money but find ourselves in trouble, it will disappoint us. There may be a reason the casino changed the rules so that people who don't see the TOS can get in trouble. But a trusted and good casino will always notify you if there is a change in the rules.

Yes, not all casinos will give notifications when there are changes to the TOS, but as I recall, the popular casinos that I currently use, such as Stake.com, will notify you when you open the site after the TOS changes have been made.
Like last time when Stake changed the TOS and I opened the site and there was a notification that there was a change in the TOS that had been determined.
It is at that time that we are obliged to read the changes that have occurred so that we avoid the problem of violating the TOS.
Maybe not all casinos will have the same notices but I hope we all at least read a little bit about the more important TOS we have to comply with.

Yes if I'm not mistaken not long ago I also received a notification that there was a change in the TOS from my account at Stake and made sure we read it too and agreed, that's why I always believe in Stake , because maybe not all casinos do the same with Stake, but this i say not because i brought their site signature campaign but i believe all Stake users might see that notification in their account.

Tos changes that are not known by the user, in my opinion, is a crime committed by the casino secretly to commit fraud and steal user money. usually maybe it only happens in small and new casinos, don't know in other casinos besides stake. whether they do the same or not. I have no experience at other casinos.

[Coin_trader]

Yes if I'm not mistaken not long ago I also received a notification that there was a change in the TOS from my account at Stake and made sure we read it too and agreed, that's why I always believe in Stake , because maybe not all casinos do the same with Stake, but this i say not because i brought their site signature campaign but i believe all Stake users might see that notification in their account.

I open my Stake account just now and this ToS update popup on my screen while I need to agree first before I can play the casino. This is a good feature of Stake to make all the players updated but the only thing I hate about this was they included the whole ToS instead of just highlighting what's new to save time for players on noting what's to look out. It's very hard to read the full ToS written on the small notification box and there's a high tendency that user will just skip to the last part and confirm just to close the notification box.

Tos changes that are not known by the user, in my opinion, is a crime committed by the casino secretly to commit fraud and steal user money. usually maybe it only happens in small and new casinos, don't know in other casinos besides stake. whether they do the same or not. I have no experience at other casinos.

It's a crime if the changes on ToS is important that can affect the users current gameplay but if it's just minor update then it's not a big deal. As a player. We should be updated always on the casino terms since we are risking our money on their services.