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July 29, 2023, 08:50:01 PM
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Changing of terms and conditions without notifying the users or gamblers is normal with online gambling websites? Then when you did something wrong or about to withdraw your money they will tell you that you don't read their terms and conditions, and you start arguing with them until you decide to read the ToS again and you find out that it's different.

Some gambling websites consist of wicked owners that willingly plan to defraud their users using the ToS against them, or is this normal? Have such happened to anyone on this forum before?
If you find yourself with casinos that operates in such a debauchery manner with their ToS that's a red flag sign for you the gambler to abandon such online casinos site and look for a well reputable online casino. If you've got some cash in there find ways to withdraw it ASAP cause it's not only wrong for them to change ToS without prior notification to their clients but it's a subtle scheme of defrauding their customers.

A lot of these online casinos that behave this way often come into the market with outrageous bonuses just to attract more users to later trap them with obnoxious ToS unknown to users.

True, but as it turns out, even huge casinos and even crypto exchanges often show dishonest behavior towards ordinary users. For example, crypto casinos, where there is no need to pass the KYC, may prohibit a player from making large withdrawals. The fact is that on crypto exchanges and casinos, when withdrawing large amounts, you need to prove that you are the one withdrawing this money. And often crypto platforms at this moment provide a passport or other documents. And the exchanges, which knowingly stated that they would not ask for these documents, will force the user to undergo 10 checks, and hope that he will cancel the code and return to lose this money.

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July 29, 2023, 08:50:12 PM
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There are some casino platforms that use malicious ToS to annoy users. It has been observed that when a gambler tries to withdraw the lottery winnings, various charges are issued against the user from ToS. In many cases, malicious ToS are harassed by casino platforms that go out of their way to scam them. But if this happened to someone then definitely those scam gambling platforms should be avoided.
A gambler doesn't violate their ToS when they keep losing, but when a gambler starts winning they accuse that gambler of various suspicious activities and freeze that gambler's funds. These are actually seen regularly in the gambling industry, there are many gambling websites that are always looking for ways to quietly cheat their customers. So it is important for a gambler to keep updated, regularly aware of the ToS, so as not to block the gambler's money with any irrelevant complaint. Before joining a gambling website, a gambler should be well aware of the casino's reputation.
And that signifies that you are dealing with a shady casino on which having that kind of behavior which is something unforgivable or something that shouldn't really be tolerated. Yes, any platform could be able to do such act
on which on the time that there are players who do have big wins and the platform starts on throwing up those issues about changes of rules and terms on which it would be causing for those lock ups. Yes, they could be able to do such thing but on the time that those players do make out complaints and its been proven that they've been doing shady things then it would really be taking a toll into their business on which it would be
resulting that they wont really be visited out by gamblers because they do know that it does already have that kind of shady history. Nothing really beats out into those casinos who could really be able to
process instant no matter how big or small the winning is, also when it comes to transparency then i dont really have doubts for those most popular gambling sites as of this time.
 Going or making use of TOS alterations for avoiding winning is really a no go or really a shady act for a business to do so.

What I can do in These cases is Something very easy , let myself be Carried away by things that are not usually shady , those casinos that Remain in a good Treatment with their Clients and do not Leave anything crazy, they are Well focused and do not Change the Rules of the game , I have not been in Casinos that are like this , but at the Moment that the Rules Change for me and I see that the Rules are changing due to the processes in my Games , what I would look for Would be to withdraw what I have done if it is that I have money there, and then go Because I like to Protect myself from Sites that use Fraud, that want to take Advantage of the Slightest errors of a Player to get rich , and I Think that's the best.

That is the fact,  any casino that is truly ready for business will do everything within their power to make sure that they satisfy the customer's and work out a way to build a good reputation that will increase their user based on the community,  and those casinos that have cases of change in the TOS changes and funny acts are set out to defraud their clients at all cost and their are not interested in building a reputable business in the casino.

We can easily spot such fake casinos with the ways their treat their clients issues and how the constantly changes the mode operation.
On the time that you would really be changing up or testing up some new casinos that you would be tending to do so then its always been ideal that you should be watching or researching for whatever feedbacks that
it would have neither positive or negative and if you do find out something not that nice then make some in depth research if its true or not or simply trying out to check a website or company but if you dont really like
some headache then it would really better that you shouldn't really be tending to risks out if you arent sure or your are really that hesitating.

A site that do make use of that TOS change for it to be the reason on why locking up users funds then it would really be creating that kind of impression that it is really indeed shady.
Legit casino sites would really be transparent as much as possible on which even on the slightest changes would really be having a corresponding announcement or alert
in about such changes or whatever actions they had made out.

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July 29, 2023, 10:53:45 PM
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Changing of terms and conditions without notifying the users or gamblers is normal with online gambling websites? Then when you did something wrong or about to withdraw your money they will tell you that you don't read their terms and conditions, and you start arguing with them until you decide to read the ToS again and you find out that it's different.

Some gambling websites consist of wicked owners that willingly plan to defraud their users using the ToS against them, or is this normal? Have such happened to anyone on this forum before?
If you find yourself with casinos that operates in such a debauchery manner with their ToS that's a red flag sign for you the gambler to abandon such online casinos site and look for a well reputable online casino. If you've got some cash in there find ways to withdraw it ASAP cause it's not only wrong for them to change ToS without prior notification to their clients but it's a subtle scheme of defrauding their customers.

A lot of these online casinos that behave this way often come into the market with outrageous bonuses just to attract more users to later trap them with obnoxious ToS unknown to users.

I agree that the player should avoid the shady casino and hop into a reputable casino platform.  But sadly it would be too late for the player to recover his funds and just have to move on with the losses.  It is really infuriating when we happen to stumble a pretending to be a good casino with their initial good TOS only to find out that they are tricksters by modifying their TOS in order to support their illegal actions and the player can't do anything about it but to just move on.
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July 29, 2023, 11:38:19 PM
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Changing of terms and conditions without notifying the users or gamblers is normal with online gambling websites? Then when you did something wrong or about to withdraw your money they will tell you that you don't read their terms and conditions, and you start arguing with them until you decide to read the ToS again and you find out that it's different.

Some gambling websites consist of wicked owners that willingly plan to defraud their users using the ToS against them, or is this normal? Have such happened to anyone on this forum before?
If you find yourself with casinos that operates in such a debauchery manner with their ToS that's a red flag sign for you the gambler to abandon such online casinos site and look for a well reputable online casino. If you've got some cash in there find ways to withdraw it ASAP cause it's not only wrong for them to change ToS without prior notification to their clients but it's a subtle scheme of defrauding their customers.

A lot of these online casinos that behave this way often come into the market with outrageous bonuses just to attract more users to later trap them with obnoxious ToS unknown to users.

I agree that the player should avoid the shady casino and hop into a reputable casino platform.  But sadly it would be too late for the player to recover his funds and just have to move on with the losses.  It is really infuriating when we happen to stumble a pretending to be a good casino with their initial good TOS only to find out that they are tricksters by modifying their TOS in order to support their illegal actions and the player can't do anything about it but to just move on.

In reputable casino they cannot experience that editing of TOS for them to get a conflict with it compare to unknown casino which sometimes do that so their players cannot withdraw their winnings especially when the amount is big. This is the important reason why we need to choose the best casino since it gave convenience and can make sure that we are playing safe platform with them. If we found out some casino do this actions then its better to report it here to warn other people so many can avoid and get compromised.

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July 30, 2023, 06:50:29 AM
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If you find yourself with casinos that operates in such a debauchery manner with their ToS that's a red flag sign for you the gambler to abandon such online casinos site and look for a well reputable online casino.

True, but as it turns out, even huge casinos and even crypto exchanges often show dishonest behavior towards ordinary users. ~ The fact is that on crypto exchanges and casinos, when withdrawing large amounts, you need to prove that you are the one withdrawing this money. And often crypto platforms at this moment provide a passport or other documents. And the exchanges, which knowingly stated that they would not ask for these documents, will force the user to undergo 10 checks, and hope that he will cancel the code and return to lose this money.

You can not generalize that all casinos and exchanges are practising dishonest behaviour. In some cases, due to the applied laws and regulatory frameworks, it is required for them to collect more user identification when dealing with some high threshold amount of money. They want to make their business safe, so they must comply. A well reputable casino and exchange surely follow the regulatory framework for the sake of the user and their own.

So just because a service or platform asks their user for more detailed information does not mean they are practising dishonest behaviour.
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July 30, 2023, 11:04:38 AM
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If you find yourself with casinos that operates in such a debauchery manner with their ToS that's a red flag sign for you the gambler to abandon such online casinos site and look for a well reputable online casino.

True, but as it turns out, even huge casinos and even crypto exchanges often show dishonest behavior towards ordinary users. ~ The fact is that on crypto exchanges and casinos, when withdrawing large amounts, you need to prove that you are the one withdrawing this money. And often crypto platforms at this moment provide a passport or other documents. And the exchanges, which knowingly stated that they would not ask for these documents, will force the user to undergo 10 checks, and hope that he will cancel the code and return to lose this money.

You can not generalize that all casinos and exchanges are practising dishonest behaviour. In some cases, due to the applied laws and regulatory frameworks, it is required for them to collect more user identification when dealing with some high threshold amount of money. They want to make their business safe, so they must comply. A well reputable casino and exchange surely follow the regulatory framework for the sake of the user and their own.

So just because a service or platform asks their user for more detailed information does not mean they are practising dishonest behaviour.
It is correct that not all casinos are into fraudulent activities or are dishonest to their customers. We also understand that different jurisdictions have different laws that are guiding gambling in their area and a certain casino that is established in that area must follow the laws.
It is the process of licensing that the government that pressure casino to demand for extra kyc. But then there are some casinos that are looking for slight reasons to flag customers winnings. They open the door wide open during deposit and close it during withdrawal.

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July 30, 2023, 11:30:33 AM
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If you find yourself with casinos that operates in such a debauchery manner with their ToS that's a red flag sign for you the gambler to abandon such online casinos site and look for a well reputable online casino.

True, but as it turns out, even huge casinos and even crypto exchanges often show dishonest behavior towards ordinary users. ~ The fact is that on crypto exchanges and casinos, when withdrawing large amounts, you need to prove that you are the one withdrawing this money. And often crypto platforms at this moment provide a passport or other documents. And the exchanges, which knowingly stated that they would not ask for these documents, will force the user to undergo 10 checks, and hope that he will cancel the code and return to lose this money.

You can not generalize that all casinos and exchanges are practising dishonest behaviour. In some cases, due to the applied laws and regulatory frameworks, it is required for them to collect more user identification when dealing with some high threshold amount of money. They want to make their business safe, so they must comply. A well reputable casino and exchange surely follow the regulatory framework for the sake of the user and their own.

So just because a service or platform asks their user for more detailed information does not mean they are practising dishonest behaviour.
That's right and it depends on each casino or exchange and as long as we can choose the casino or exchange, we definitely won't have any problem with them. And when you find a casino or exchange that is dishonest with their ToS, you can move on to other, more trustworthy places. We are users of casinos and exchanges and can choose the ones we want. Don't stick to one casino or exchange if that makes us uncomfortable with the service so that we can experience a different atmosphere. And both casinos and exchanges now require their users to verify their users. And if one person doesn't like one thing, they should look elsewhere until they find one that suits them.

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July 30, 2023, 11:32:43 AM
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So just because a service or platform asks their user for more detailed information does not mean they are practising dishonest behaviour.
Yes, of course there are certain reasons for gambling platforms to ask for KYC and the user's full identity, usually small gambling platforms will complicate the withdrawal process and process reviewing the user's identity, except on large gambling platforms they will not make it difficult for user withdrawals and even they are honest with their users that it is a regulation that already exist so that it must be done to prevent money laundering or fraud being committed.

So as long as KYC is still considered normal it won't be a problem as long as a trusted gambling platform site is in this forum, I'm sure they will practice honest behavior, don't just because one gambling platform behaves dishonestly we all think that other casinos are like that too, not really , because a big and reputable casino will not make things difficult for all of its users.

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July 30, 2023, 11:52:05 AM
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Changing of terms and conditions without notifying the users or gamblers is normal with online gambling websites? Then when you did something wrong or about to withdraw your money they will tell you that you don't read their terms and conditions, and you start arguing with them until you decide to read the ToS again and you find out that it's different.

Some gambling websites consist of wicked owners that willingly plan to defraud their users using the ToS against them, or is this normal? Have such happened to anyone on this forum before?

A terms of service is a contract, in this case between the casino and the player. The terms of service is in all cases I've seen, very prominently linked throughout the site. The player also has to indicate in most cases, that they've acknowledged and agree to adhere to this set of rules. That seems perfectly fair to me and you seem annoyed that people are held to the promises that they make? Often the terms are there to make the relationship simply defined because things have been abused in the past.

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July 30, 2023, 11:58:06 AM
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If you find yourself with casinos that operates in such a debauchery manner with their ToS that's a red flag sign for you the gambler to abandon such online casinos site and look for a well reputable online casino.

True, but as it turns out, even huge casinos and even crypto exchanges often show dishonest behavior towards ordinary users. ~ The fact is that on crypto exchanges and casinos, when withdrawing large amounts, you need to prove that you are the one withdrawing this money. And often crypto platforms at this moment provide a passport or other documents. And the exchanges, which knowingly stated that they would not ask for these documents, will force the user to undergo 10 checks, and hope that he will cancel the code and return to lose this money.

You can not generalize that all casinos and exchanges are practising dishonest behaviour. In some cases, due to the applied laws and regulatory frameworks, it is required for them to collect more user identification when dealing with some high threshold amount of money. They want to make their business safe, so they must comply. A well reputable casino and exchange surely follow the regulatory framework for the sake of the user and their own.

So just because a service or platform asks their user for more detailed information does not mean they are practising dishonest behaviour.
This is requested by the casino, usually because of the license used and some licenses do require the casino to enforce identification rules for each customer, apart from that there are also jurisdictional restrictions that have been set by the casino.
Saying that casinos behave dishonestly just because it is is actually too much and unethical in my opinion.

It is better to first study every faq or tos that is on the first page of a gambling site than when acting against the rules and saying the casino is behaving dishonestly because that seems like an accusation that is not groundless.

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July 30, 2023, 10:24:04 PM
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If you find yourself with casinos that operates in such a debauchery manner with their ToS that's a red flag sign for you the gambler to abandon such online casinos site and look for a well reputable online casino.

True, but as it turns out, even huge casinos and even crypto exchanges often show dishonest behavior towards ordinary users. ~ The fact is that on crypto exchanges and casinos, when withdrawing large amounts, you need to prove that you are the one withdrawing this money. And often crypto platforms at this moment provide a passport or other documents. And the exchanges, which knowingly stated that they would not ask for these documents, will force the user to undergo 10 checks, and hope that he will cancel the code and return to lose this money.

You can not generalize that all casinos and exchanges are practising dishonest behaviour. In some cases, due to the applied laws and regulatory frameworks, it is required for them to collect more user identification when dealing with some high threshold amount of money. They want to make their business safe, so they must comply. A well reputable casino and exchange surely follow the regulatory framework for the sake of the user and their own.

So just because a service or platform asks their user for more detailed information does not mean they are practising dishonest behaviour.
This is requested by the casino, usually because of the license used and some licenses do require the casino to enforce identification rules for each customer, apart from that there are also jurisdictional restrictions that have been set by the casino.
Saying that casinos behave dishonestly just because it is is actually too much and unethical in my opinion.

It is better to first study every faq or tos that is on the first page of a gambling site than when acting against the rules and saying the casino is behaving dishonestly because that seems like an accusation that is not groundless.
Verification procedures and jurisdictional restrictions are standard aspects of licensed online casinos; they're not there as a malicious intent to trick players. They’re about ensuring safety, legality, and fairness

Rather than jumping to conclusions and branding these platforms as dishonest, it's crucial to familiarize oneself with their FAQ and TOS. These resources offer clear explanations about the regulations and the measures casinos take to ensure customer identity and safety

Admittedly, no system is perfect, but casting aspersions without substantiated claims does a disservice to both the casino and the player community. We all have a part to play in creating a fair and secure online gambling environment

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July 30, 2023, 11:55:00 PM
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even huge casinos and even crypto exchanges often show dishonest behavior towards ordinary users. For example, crypto casinos, where there is no need to pass the KYC, may prohibit a player from making large withdrawals. The fact is that on crypto exchanges and casinos, when withdrawing large amounts, you need to prove that you are the one withdrawing this money. And often crypto platforms at this moment provide a passport or other documents. And the exchanges, which knowingly stated that they would not ask for these documents, will force the user to undergo 10 checks, and hope that he will cancel the code and return to lose this money.
I dare you to mention one "huge" (as per your description) or reputable casino or exchange that clearly states in its terms if service that the will never ask for kyc!
Any service provider that doesn't do so shouldn't be trustedand you should deal with them with extreme caution. Even unlicensed service providers may ask you to verify your identity and there is nothing you can do about it but to comply.

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July 31, 2023, 05:52:34 AM
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This is requested by the casino, usually because of the license used and some licenses do require the casino to enforce identification rules for each customer, apart from that there are also jurisdictional restrictions that have been set by the casino.
Saying that casinos behave dishonestly just because it is is actually too much and unethical in my opinion.

It is better to first study every faq or tos that is on the first page of a gambling site than when acting against the rules and saying the casino is behaving dishonestly because that seems like an accusation that is not groundless.
Verification procedures and jurisdictional restrictions are standard aspects of licensed online casinos; they're not there as a malicious intent to trick players. They’re about ensuring safety, legality, and fairness

Rather than jumping to conclusions and branding these platforms as dishonest, it's crucial to familiarize oneself with their FAQ and TOS. These resources offer clear explanations about the regulations and the measures casinos take to ensure customer identity and safety

Admittedly, no system is perfect, but casting aspersions without substantiated claims does a disservice to both the casino and the player community. We all have a part to play in creating a fair and secure online gambling environment
Now that's what all existing gamblers should learn and understand, especially for those beginners who don't want to find out all the information or read every provision in the faq or tos of gambling sites.
If gamblers are willing to read all the casino rules then it is unlikely that they will in the future object to any verification rules or the like that have been written there.

I understand that reading high-fives and FAQs is boring, but when a problem occurs it is they themselves who experience difficulties, so feeling a little bored at the start of entering a gambling site is not a problem, but in the future we can be free from problems that could occur.
Only stupid people blame gambling sites because of their own fault breaking casino rules.

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July 31, 2023, 07:03:09 AM
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even huge casinos and even crypto exchanges often show dishonest behavior towards ordinary users. For example, crypto casinos, where there is no need to pass the KYC, may prohibit a player from making large withdrawals. The fact is that on crypto exchanges and casinos, when withdrawing large amounts, you need to prove that you are the one withdrawing this money. And often crypto platforms at this moment provide a passport or other documents. And the exchanges, which knowingly stated that they would not ask for these documents, will force the user to undergo 10 checks, and hope that he will cancel the code and return to lose this money.
I dare you to mention one "huge" (as per your description) or reputable casino or exchange that clearly states in its terms if service that the will never ask for kyc!
Any service provider that doesn't do so shouldn't be trustedand you should deal with them with extreme caution. Even unlicensed service providers may ask you to verify your identity and there is nothing you can do about it but to comply.

Maybe he's talking about before since this KYC is not necessarily needed but time change when crypto became big and government institution notice some business running using this and now every reputable or old platforms need to conduct this requirements to their users. I guess there's no problem about it as long as the casino is reputable and have strong community that supports it.

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July 31, 2023, 09:36:01 AM
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There are some casino platforms that use malicious ToS to annoy users. It has been observed that when a gambler tries to withdraw the lottery winnings, various charges are issued against the user from ToS. In many cases, malicious ToS are harassed by casino platforms that go out of their way to scam them. But if this happened to someone then definitely those scam gambling platforms should be avoided.
A gambler doesn't violate their ToS when they keep losing, but when a gambler starts winning they accuse that gambler of various suspicious activities and freeze that gambler's funds. These are actually seen regularly in the gambling industry, there are many gambling websites that are always looking for ways to quietly cheat their customers. So it is important for a gambler to keep updated, regularly aware of the ToS, so as not to block the gambler's money with any irrelevant complaint. Before joining a gambling website, a gambler should be well aware of the casino's reputation.
That is the reason why it's important for a gambler to read the terms and conditions of a casino before signing up and especially before making a deposit, because if they do that, they would know the rules and everything and they can also have an idea if the platform is good or not, if they don't like the terms and conditions of the casino, they should simply avoid using it and try and find another platform that has different terms and conditions that they like more.

But, most of the time, gamblers don't read the terms and conditions only because they are long and boring and require some time as you will need to read through it all which becomes the reason for later running into problems. If a gambler doesn't want to read the terms and conditions, they should only use casinos that are already trusted by the community.

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August 02, 2023, 11:24:00 AM
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So just because a service or platform asks their user for more detailed information does not mean they are practising dishonest behaviour.
Yes, of course there are certain reasons for gambling platforms to ask for KYC and the user's full identity, usually small gambling platforms will complicate the withdrawal process and process reviewing the user's identity, except on large gambling platforms they will not make it difficult for user withdrawals and even they are honest with their users that it is a regulation that already exist so that it must be done to prevent money laundering or fraud being committed.

You can not generalize that all casinos and exchanges are practising dishonest behaviour. In some cases, due to the applied laws and regulatory frameworks, it is required for them to collect more user identification when dealing with some high threshold amount of money. They want to make their business safe, so they must comply. A well reputable casino and exchange surely follow the regulatory framework for the sake of the user and their own.

So just because a service or platform asks their user for more detailed information does not mean they are practising dishonest behaviour.
This is requested by the casino, usually because of the license used and some licenses do require the casino to enforce identification rules for each customer, apart from that there are also jurisdictional restrictions that have been set by the casino.
Saying that casinos behave dishonestly just because it is is actually too much and unethical in my opinion.

Certainly. The silver lining, AFAIK, is some licensed games are required different regulation requirements than others. Furthermore, each casino software or slot provider also applies a set of different terms requirements for their own games. It is a complex process to ensure the casino and provider is compliant with its respective regulation.

Moreover, as a piece of information, obviously, it is stated in the casinos' terms of service. Some providers or casinos did not support some countries. Some games are also, only available in some countries. So it is clearly stated about those terms.
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August 02, 2023, 12:26:07 PM
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Changing of terms and conditions without notifying the users or gamblers is normal with online gambling websites? Then when you did something wrong or about to withdraw your money they will tell you that you don't read their terms and conditions, and you start arguing with them until you decide to read the ToS again and you find out that it's different.

Some gambling websites consist of wicked owners that willingly plan to defraud their users using the ToS against them, or is this normal? Have such happened to anyone on this forum before?

We recently had the in the stake thread.
They are changing their terms all the time without notifying anybody, that's really a bad way to communicate with your customers. Also it is dangerous for us, since unknowingly we can violate some rules that have been implemented recently which results in an investigation and/or bad in the worst scenario.

On other fiat site I played in the past every change of terms was communicated with the players and had to be agreed on if you want to continue playing there. That's how it is supposed to be and any place that isn't doing it can't be trusted 100% unfortunately.

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August 07, 2023, 01:05:56 PM
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Changing of terms and conditions without notifying the users or gamblers is normal with online gambling websites? Then when you did something wrong or about to withdraw your money they will tell you that you don't read their terms and conditions, and you start arguing with them until you decide to read the ToS again and you find out that it's different.

Some gambling websites consist of wicked owners that willingly plan to defraud their users using the ToS against them, or is this normal? Have such happened to anyone on this forum before?
If you find yourself with casinos that operates in such a debauchery manner with their ToS that's a red flag sign for you the gambler to abandon such online casinos site and look for a well reputable online casino. If you've got some cash in there find ways to withdraw it ASAP cause it's not only wrong for them to change ToS without prior notification to their clients but it's a subtle scheme of defrauding their customers.

A lot of these online casinos that behave this way often come into the market with outrageous bonuses just to attract more users to later trap them with obnoxious ToS unknown to users.

True, but as it turns out, even huge casinos and even crypto exchanges often show dishonest behavior towards ordinary users. For example, crypto casinos, where there is no need to pass the KYC, may prohibit a player from making large withdrawals. The fact is that on crypto exchanges and casinos, when withdrawing large amounts, you need to prove that you are the one withdrawing this money. And often crypto platforms at this moment provide a passport or other documents. And the exchanges, which knowingly stated that they would not ask for these documents, will force the user to undergo 10 checks, and hope that he will cancel the code and return to lose this money.
The thing is that no platform would want to deliberately punish a customer if you don't bridge or go against their policy, that why it's good as a customer to read through the policies of a platform so a not to fall victim of these actions taken by casino owners to push people who go against there policy
 Some customers try to use these casino platforms to divert funds gotten from fraudulent acts into their betting accounts and withdraw the huge funds without staking on a game, therefore they've come up with different strategies to track users that are commiting such act and that's why they'll always be suspicious of customers that's try to withdrawal  huge funds whether you win it from the platform or not you'll have to go through a process to prove your ownership.
 However there are still some acts the some casino sites do that i don't find interesting with is changing their TOS  without the notice of the customers, I feel if a platform wants to change their policy the first thing they need to do is to inform their customers of the new change of policy so as not to be victims of a policy breach due to ignorance.

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August 07, 2023, 01:15:20 PM
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The thing is that no platform would want to deliberately punish a customer if you don't bridge or go against their policy, that why it's good as a customer to read through the policies of a platform so a not to fall victim of these actions taken by casino owners to push people who go against there policy
 Some customers try to use these casino platforms to divert funds gotten from fraudulent acts into their betting accounts and withdraw the huge funds without staking on a game, therefore they've come up with different strategies to track users that are commiting such act and that's why they'll always be suspicious of customers that's try to withdrawal  huge funds whether you win it from the platform or not you'll have to go through a process to prove your ownership.
 However there are still some acts the some casino sites do that i don't find interesting with is changing their TOS  without the notice of the customers, I feel if a platform wants to change their policy the first thing they need to do is to inform their customers of the new change of policy so as not to be victims of a policy breach due to ignorance.
That is the fact most of the casino who cares about their reputation tend to follow every rule and regulations and can only punish players on the violation of their terms and conditions and in most cases before there be a substitution to any rule on the terms and conditions of their service, they tend to make proper briefing and creating enough awareness for the players so at to be able to stay away from any possible regulatory punishment that can come along with their decisions of changing the rules if there don't follow the proper guidelines.

But then also,  we have some other casinos that may not abide by these laydown rules and may decide to operate as a fraudulent casino that can easily break their terms of service just to scam the players and keep on defending themselves for a long time,  so those are the class of casinos we must stay away from to avoid losing all our balance on them.
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August 07, 2023, 03:03:46 PM
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Changing of terms and conditions without notifying the users or gamblers is normal with online gambling websites? Then when you did something wrong or about to withdraw your money they will tell you that you don't read their terms and conditions, and you start arguing with them until you decide to read the ToS again and you find out that it's different.

Some gambling websites consist of wicked owners that willingly plan to defraud their users using the ToS against them, or is this normal? Have such happened to anyone on this forum before?
If you find yourself with casinos that operates in such a debauchery manner with their ToS that's a red flag sign for you the gambler to abandon such online casinos site and look for a well reputable online casino. If you've got some cash in there find ways to withdraw it ASAP cause it's not only wrong for them to change ToS without prior notification to their clients but it's a subtle scheme of defrauding their customers.

A lot of these online casinos that behave this way often come into the market with outrageous bonuses just to attract more users to later trap them with obnoxious ToS unknown to users.

True, but as it turns out, even huge casinos and even crypto exchanges often show dishonest behavior towards ordinary users. For example, crypto casinos, where there is no need to pass the KYC, may prohibit a player from making large withdrawals. The fact is that on crypto exchanges and casinos, when withdrawing large amounts, you need to prove that you are the one withdrawing this money. And often crypto platforms at this moment provide a passport or other documents. And the exchanges, which knowingly stated that they would not ask for these documents, will force the user to undergo 10 checks, and hope that he will cancel the code and return to lose this money.
The thing is that no platform would want to deliberately punish a customer if you don't bridge or go against their policy, that why it's good as a customer to read through the policies of a platform so a not to fall victim of these actions taken by casino owners to push people who go against there policy
 Some customers try to use these casino platforms to divert funds gotten from fraudulent acts into their betting accounts and withdraw the huge funds without staking on a game, therefore they've come up with different strategies to track users that are commiting such act and that's why they'll always be suspicious of customers that's try to withdrawal  huge funds whether you win it from the platform or not you'll have to go through a process to prove your ownership.
 However there are still some acts the some casino sites do that i don't find interesting with is changing their TOS  without the notice of the customers, I feel if a platform wants to change their policy the first thing they need to do is to inform their customers of the new change of policy so as not to be victims of a policy breach due to ignorance.

You correctly noticed that a client may try to "clean up" his cryptocurrency by introducing it to an exchange or to a gaming crypto platform, such as a casino, poker, or a betting service. It's hard to imagine how much work lawyers and data analysts have, who double-check incoming funds on huge services, for example, such as binance, because there is a huge flow of users, and even if one introduces a cryptocurrency that has previously appeared in illegal actions, then the exchange /gambling service will have problems, since the service can be blamed aiding and abetting illegal actions.

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