Using ToS against users normal?

[libert19]

If I have to put my money somewhere and that site says something along the lines, 'We can change terms at our will, you may not be notified, it's your responsibility to check for updates in terms regularly" — I'll get outta there.

[danadc]

If I have to put my money somewhere and that site says something along the lines, 'We can change terms at our will, you may not be notified, it's your responsibility to check for updates in terms regularly" — I'll get outta there.

It's the best right? The only thing is that sometimes I don't realize these things, because normally if I enter a casino I look for my favorite game and start playing, I never or almost never go to the home page to verify, but this is a bad habit that I must Change for my own good, in the event that this happens to me with a casino, I immediately look to see if I have enough money to withdraw it and I go there, the bad thing is that if I have not been able to do my KYC that could take a while and they take me with the new rules or Terms and Conditions, it does not seem to me that a casino does these things, because it is not playing fair , it is Playing badly , to harm the person , it is as you say , better go.

[Ever-young]

Some gambling websites consist of wicked owners that willingly plan to defraud their users using the ToS against them, or is this normal? Have such happened to anyone on this forum before?

Most scam Casino out their main earning is from scamming users from their huge deposit or winning using their ToS as a right to confiscate users funds. And most gamblers falls victim to this as a result of always not making it necessary to read the ToS, only very few gambles will boldly say they fine out the time to actually read through Casino rules.

I haven't been a victim to such scam but I have come across friends which have, and in some situation it happens that the ToS are being changed or amended just either some days to when they got a target victim, or when they have already freeze someone's account, then they can Edit the ToS since it might not be easily identified as edited.

[ethereumhunter]

That's great. It only shows that these casinos are fair and they are afraid to get blamed once the user experience a problem just because they didn't noticed the change in TOS. Some customers might missed their emails or they are not a fan of checking it, so having a notification right after we login is a good one. Then there are costumers who play rarely but can check their emails so having the changes being emailed is also a good one.

Casino can do both and if possible maybe they can also send it through sms. Maybe some terms are not clear or hard to understand for us who are slow so indeed that we should make it a habit to ask than get in trouble. 

We should also check emails frequently to check if there are any changes to the casino rules so we can find out immediately. But some customers need to check the rules first and go directly to their account to deposit some money and start playing. But when there is a problem, they think that the casino has turned into a scam casino even though it is their own fault that they did not check there was a change in the rules in the casino.

I think the casino has notified it via email or even created a window that automatically appears when the user logs in to his gambling account. They should already understand that there has been a change in the rules at the casino so they have to check first and read all the rules before depositing their money. But that's up to each person and we also can't force them to read the changes in the rules.

[piebeyb]

I think the casino has notified it via email or even created a window that automatically appears when the user logs in to his gambling account. They should already understand that there has been a change in the rules at the casino so they have to check first and read all the rules before depositing their money. But that's up to each person and we also can't force them to read the changes in the rules.

So far playing at a big casino I always get notifications via email and notifications on the website about updates to terms or TOS, that's why to double check any updates that come via email, most gamblers don't use their email very actively so they sometimes skip the updates that have been given via email. e-mail. obviously it's very important

Apart from gambling, I am still actively using email, so if there is any information I know about updating the rules or requirements from the casino, maybe some small casinos can change the rules without telling their users to cheat, that is where the trust of users should play in big and trusted casinos too. good reputation in this forum. For starters, don't hesitate to ask anything about a casino that has a good reputation here. because the casino will maintain its reputation by providing the best service for its users and not trying to cheat in terms of changing the TOS or other regulations without the user knowing.

[Blitzboy]

That's great. It only shows that these casinos are fair and they are afraid to get blamed once the user experience a problem just because they didn't noticed the change in TOS. Some customers might missed their emails or they are not a fan of checking it, so having a notification right after we login is a good one. Then there are costumers who play rarely but can check their emails so having the changes being emailed is also a good one.

Casino can do both and if possible maybe they can also send it through sms. Maybe some terms are not clear or hard to understand for us who are slow so indeed that we should make it a habit to ask than get in trouble. 

We should also check emails frequently to check if there are any changes to the casino rules so we can find out immediately. But some customers need to check the rules first and go directly to their account to deposit some money and start playing. But when there is a problem, they think that the casino has turned into a scam casino even though it is their own fault that they did not check there was a change in the rules in the casino.

I think the casino has notified it via email or even created a window that automatically appears when the user logs in to his gambling account. They should already understand that there has been a change in the rules at the casino so they have to check first and read all the rules before depositing their money. But that's up to each person and we also can't force them to read the changes in the rules.

Anyone committing their hard-earned money to ANY online platform, be it casinos, stock trading platforms, or e-commerce sites, ought to be doing their due diligence. Its not merely about checking emails, but actively looking for any red flags. Seriously, if someone just rushes into depositing money without even spending a minute understanding the updated rules, then they have no right to complain post facto.

The casino, like any other legitimate business, has every incentive to ensure that its users are well-informed. The last thing they need is an army of disgruntled users! But come on, if they're notifying you via email, or even going so far as to display notifications upon login, and you still neglect it, then the blame squarely falls on YOU.

Economically speaking, its basic information asymmetry. If you're not keeping yourself informed, you're setting yourself up for a loss

[panjul07]

If I have to put my money somewhere and that site says something along the lines, 'We can change terms at our will, you may not be notified, it's your responsibility to check for updates in terms regularly" — I'll get outta there.

Unfortunately most casinos has the term that they reserve the right to change their terms anytime and most of them also did not notify their players about the change.
Even if they notify their players, most casinos will only say that they have updated their terms but they did not give clear clue about what is being updated.
Stake for example, they updated their terms some time ago and they notify players about it but most players do not really know what is new in the terms.

[Coin_trader]

If I have to put my money somewhere and that site says something along the lines, 'We can change terms at our will, you may not be notified, it's your responsibility to check for updates in terms regularly" — I'll get outta there.

The only casino that I know that notifies player every ToS is Stake.com and the update will be popup when you login. I don’t know if others do the same but I don’t receive any email regarding change of ToS on any of my casino account for my 7 years of crypto casino experience.

Casino usually update their ToS but the case of this thread is very rare to happened which the update is to use against its customers. Casino that do this kind of cheat are those who don’t have any reputation to protect.

[Odusko]

If I have to put my money somewhere and that site says something along the lines, 'We can change terms at our will, you may not be notified, it's your responsibility to check for updates in terms regularly" — I'll get outta there.

Most times,  those shady casinos that change their terms and conditions of service at will are all targeting and selectively scamming their customers and most time you ain't have the ability to get out and even if you want you may end up losing your balance in the casino since they will make sure that they twist the terms and conditions when you already deposited and won a good amount.
It is best to only play on already known casinos with good reputations instead of risking your money with scam casinos,  most of the casinos that do this are also good at locking players' accounts without any notification and seeking clarification and redress is always almost impossible.

[ethereumhunter]

So far playing at a big casino I always get notifications via email and notifications on the website about updates to terms or TOS, that's why to double check any updates that come via email, most gamblers don't use their email very actively so they sometimes skip the updates that have been given via email. e-mail. obviously it's very important

Apart from gambling, I am still actively using email, so if there is any information I know about updating the rules or requirements from the casino, maybe some small casinos can change the rules without telling their users to cheat, that is where the trust of users should play in big and trusted casinos too. good reputation in this forum. For starters, don't hesitate to ask anything about a casino that has a good reputation here. because the casino will maintain its reputation by providing the best service for its users and not trying to cheat in terms of changing the TOS or other regulations without the user knowing.

By always checking e-mail or gambling accounts, we will always know if there is a notification from the casino notifying any changes in the casino. And you should always choose a big and trusted casino to avoid cheating by changing rules that the casino doesn't notify.

I agree with you not to hesitate to ask what casinos are trusted and have a reputation on this forum because there are sure to be many members who will give their advice. But still, they have to try one by one from the list of casinos provided by members here to find the casino they are looking for. Playing gambling is about the comfort and convenience of each member, of course, it will be different.

Anyone committing their hard-earned money to ANY online platform, be it casinos, stock trading platforms, or e-commerce sites, ought to be doing their due diligence. Its not merely about checking emails, but actively looking for any red flags. Seriously, if someone just rushes into depositing money without even spending a minute understanding the updated rules, then they have no right to complain post facto.

The casino, like any other legitimate business, has every incentive to ensure that its users are well-informed. The last thing they need is an army of disgruntled users! But come on, if they're notifying you via email, or even going so far as to display notifications upon login, and you still neglect it, then the blame squarely falls on YOU.

Economically speaking, its basic information asymmetry. If you're not keeping yourself informed, you're setting yourself up for a loss

In this case, we must be wise gamblers who only deposit money after checking the applicable wagering requirements to avoid unwanted cases. And you have given things to do to avoid it and if they are new people who want to play gambling, they have to do it so they don't get into trouble.

The casino will notify all of its members if there is a change in the rules at their casino. Only a shady casino will look for many reasons not to tell of a change in the rules at their casino because the casino really wants to cheat and take its members' money by cheating. So be careful when you want to deposit money at the casino.

[slapper]

If I have to put my money somewhere and that site says something along the lines, 'We can change terms at our will, you may not be notified, it's your responsibility to check for updates in terms regularly" — I'll get outta there.

Most times,  those shady casinos that change their terms and conditions of service at will are all targeting and selectively scamming their customers and most time you ain't have the ability to get out and even if you want you may end up losing your balance in the casino since they will make sure that they twist the terms and conditions when you already deposited and won a good amount.
It is best to only play on already known casinos with good reputations instead of risking your money with scam casinos,  most of the casinos that do this are also good at locking players' accounts without any notification and seeking clarification and redress is always almost impossible.

I cannot emphasize this more. These cunning casinos believe they can get away with cheating us easily. Changing the rules when it's convenient for them? Outrageous! You invest your hard-earned money, perhaps even succeed in winning a sizable sum, and then... wham! The goals are altered

Anyone who is reading this, look: Just play at reputable casinos. those who have a solid reputation. Why? since they respect you as a player and won't deceive you. You have a higher chance of competing fairly

Locking out players is also disgusting. But it does occur. A lot. Avoid such sketchy areas if you don't want to wake up with a locked account and a regret-filled heart. Keep with those we are familiar with and can rely on

[Negotiation]

Some gambling websites consist of wicked owners that willingly plan to defraud their users using the ToS against them, or is this normal? Have such happened to anyone on this forum before?

Most scam Casino out their main earning is from scamming users from their huge deposit or winning using their ToS as a right to confiscate users funds. And most gamblers falls victim to this as a result of always not making it necessary to read the ToS, only very few gambles will boldly say they fine out the time to actually read through Casino rules.

I haven't been a victim to such scam but I have come across friends which have, and in some situation it happens that the ToS are being changed or amended just either some days to when they got a target victim, or when they have already freeze someone's account, then they can Edit the ToS since it might not be easily identified as edited.

I think the reason they fall under the scam is because the sites are not analyzed well. It is normal to use ToS but the gamblers have to check properly they fall into the trap of cheating with various information. A gambling friend of mine fell into the trap of such fraud. Therefore before checking the casino further. We do an investigation on a few key points that show us whether the casino is trustworthy or not. By doing proper research therefore as a player you can be sure that your money and winnings are safe by avoiding these casinos.

[delfastTions]

So far playing at a big casino I always get notifications via email and notifications on the website about updates to terms or TOS, that's why to double check any updates that come via email, most gamblers don't use their email very actively so they sometimes skip the updates that have been given via email. e-mail. obviously it's very important

Apart from gambling, I am still actively using email, so if there is any information I know about updating the rules or requirements from the casino, maybe some small casinos can change the rules without telling their users to cheat, that is where the trust of users should play in big and trusted casinos too. good reputation in this forum. For starters, don't hesitate to ask anything about a casino that has a good reputation here. because the casino will maintain its reputation by providing the best service for its users and not trying to cheat in terms of changing the TOS or other regulations without the user knowing.

By always checking e-mail or gambling accounts, we will always know if there is a notification from the casino notifying any changes in the casino. And you should always choose a big and trusted casino to avoid cheating by changing rules that the casino doesn't notify.

I agree with you not to hesitate to ask what casinos are trusted and have a reputation on this forum because there are sure to be many members who will give their advice. But still, they have to try one by one from the list of casinos provided by members here to find the casino they are looking for. Playing gambling is about the comfort and convenience of each member, of course, it will be different.

Changes in the rules of the game in any casino in its ToS can occur for two main reasons. 
Firstly, these are the changes that the casino is forced to make due to the requirements of the changed local legislation in the financial sector or in the gambling industry. 
Secondly, changes in the rules may be caused by the desire of the casino to maximize its profits and for this somehow tighten or loosen the requirements for placing and withdrawing certain amounts on customer deposits.  But it is obvious that in both the first and second cases, the responsible large casino always notifies its players of such changes in advance by e-mail. 
So of course you should always read such messages and watch out if they accidentally end up in spam.

Anyone committing their hard-earned money to ANY online platform, be it casinos, stock trading platforms, or e-commerce sites, ought to be doing their due diligence. Its not merely about checking emails, but actively looking for any red flags. Seriously, if someone just rushes into depositing money without even spending a minute understanding the updated rules, then they have no right to complain post facto.

The casino, like any other legitimate business, has every incentive to ensure that its users are well-informed. The last thing they need is an army of disgruntled users! But come on, if they're notifying you via email, or even going so far as to display notifications upon login, and you still neglect it, then the blame squarely falls on YOU.

Economically speaking, its basic information asymmetry. If you're not keeping yourself informed, you're setting yourself up for a loss

In this case, we must be wise gamblers who only deposit money after checking the applicable wagering requirements to avoid unwanted cases. And you have given things to do to avoid it and if they are new people who want to play gambling, they have to do it so they don't get into trouble.

The casino will notify all of its members if there is a change in the rules at their casino. Only a shady casino will look for many reasons not to tell of a change in the rules at their cssino because the casino really wants to cheat and take its members' money by cheating. So be careful when you want to deposit money at the casino.

I think that such advice does not always work as it should with players who come to play in a completely new casino for themselves. 
Unfortunately, during the game in a particular casino new to the player, situations often arise that the player did not know anything about and which he encountered only in a real game. 
Usually, of course, these are questions related to withdrawing money to your wallet in the event of a large or even mebium-sized win in the case when the player is suddenly lucky.  Usually in such situations, problems may arise, the solution of which has to be discussed with the support services of these casinos.  This is of course unpleasant and takes up extra time from you and often even makes you very nervous. 
But, unfortunately, it is a reality that it makes no sense to ignore.

[Ever-young]

I think the reason they fall under the scam is because the sites are not analyzed well. It is normal to use ToS but the gamblers have to check properly they fall into the trap of cheating with various information.

Not always mate, their are times where one will follow up all the do(s) and don't of a Casino and still fall into the trap of the Casino freezing the gamblers funds, most times this is all depends on the casino's reputation, their are those who are just their making unecessary excuse to why they don't want to pay a particular gambler when looking at those excuse the gambler appears to be free from any form of cheating, but the Casino won't still credit them of their winnings. The part following the ToS and not following help user alot in determining how free they can be when it comes to what they can be accused of or not.

[CarnagexD]

If I have to put my money somewhere and that site says something along the lines, 'We can change terms at our will, you may not be notified, it's your responsibility to check for updates in terms regularly" — I'll get outta there.

The only casino that I know that notifies player every ToS is Stake.com and the update will be popup when you login. I don’t know if others do the same but I don’t receive any email regarding change of ToS on any of my casino account for my 7 years of crypto casino experience.

Casino usually update their ToS but the case of this thread is very rare to happened which the update is to use against its customers. Casino that do this kind of cheat are those who don’t have any reputation to protect.

It's like saying, if there's anything happen or if there's anything changes on the website without you knowing, then it will be your problem. Well that's reasonable but it is also the website tipping their hands telling you that they don't want to be accountable with your account even though you let them handle your funds or invested money. You cannot say that these websites where cheating but it only lessens their credibility.

[Docnaster]

If I have to put my money somewhere and that site says something along the lines, 'We can change terms at our will, you may not be notified, it's your responsibility to check for updates in terms regularly" — I'll get outta there.

Straight out because there is a red flag already, anyone betting there is doing so at their own detriment.  But then no casino and even the dishonest ones will be bold enough to make such statement. Such a statement will scare people away from the site unless for people who do not bother to read ToS before using the site. The ToS side of every website is strictly the legal part of the project and should be treated as that. Changing the ToS without the consent of the customers is tantamount to rewriting a written agreement without the knowledge of one party and yet still having their signatory there.

[SamReomo]

If I have to put my money somewhere and that site says something along the lines, 'We can change terms at our will, you may not be notified, it's your responsibility to check for updates in terms regularly" — I'll get outta there.

Casino usually update their ToS but the case of this thread is very rare to happened which the update is to use against its customers. Casino that do this kind of cheat are those who don’t have any reputation to protect.

I think any shady casino will force the users to agree with the ToS even if they are against the will or you can say against the rights of the users. The casinos that update their ToS without the knowledge of its users is somehow doing cheating with the users because the new conditions can be really tricky and most of the users may not even know about the updated ToS because only few people read ToS after initial agreement.

[Slow death]

If I have to put my money somewhere and that site says something along the lines, 'We can change terms at our will, you may not be notified, it's your responsibility to check for updates in terms regularly" — I'll get outta there.

most casinos and if i am not wrong i can even say that more than 70% of casinos in their TOS they say that they reserve the right to change any part of their TOS or even the whole TOS without prior notice, of course in terms ethical and legal this is not a good practice, but even so some or most of the casinos have done this, if we look at the TOS of paypal or ebay which are big companies they when they change their TOS send an email advising that in a few weeks it will enter A new part of the TOS is in force and they show that same part in which it will come into force and tell the customer that in case of not agreeing, the customer is free to no longer use paypal or ebay services

In my country, companies also do this, they notify customers 30 days in advance and ask customers to read carefully the part where it will be changed and in case the customer does not agree with that change, then the customer is free to choose another company, this is something ethical and legally acceptable. but what you see in the crypto world is something that shows that there is no legal department in crypto companies or in many casinos, what I have concluded is that people get years of experience coding and then create a casino but they are not interested and know more about the legal part and because of that we see these bad behaviors

[tusandii]

If I have to put my money somewhere and that site says something along the lines, 'We can change terms at our will, you may not be notified, it's your responsibility to check for updates in terms regularly" — I'll get outta there.

Straight out because there is a red flag already, anyone betting there is doing so at their own detriment.  But then no casino and even the dishonest ones will be bold enough to make such statement. Such a statement will scare people away from the site unless for people who do not bother to read ToS before using the site. The ToS side of every website is strictly the legal part of the project and should be treated as that. Changing the ToS without the consent of the customers is tantamount to rewriting a written agreement without the knowledge of one party and yet still having their signatory there.

I agree with you and any casino that has the goal of developing to be able to compete to become one of the best casinos, they will never dare to issue a response or statement like that because it can make customers disappointed and leave the casino so instead and can go bankrupt because it is considered a shady casino and dishonest to all customers.
But it's different from casinos, which really aim to build a business to make it bigger and more popular, so they will notify all customers every time there is an update, either for TOS or other information.
So far I have never known or seen a casino change its TOS without the approval of a customer and almost all the casinos I have used always provide information regarding updates to seek approval from every existing customer.

[dwyane36]

but what you see in the crypto world is something that shows that there is no legal department in crypto companies or in many casinos, what I have concluded is that people get years of experience coding and then create a casino but they are not interested and know more about the legal part and because of that we see these bad behaviors

There is no single standard for crypto regulation, and each jurisdiction may have different rules. So it seems to me that the legal aspects are just a formality for most crypto projects, especially for gambling projects. For example, freebitcoin successfully operated for 10 years without ToS and any other legal information. In fact, they had only a three-line rule, and that's it. However, it's worth noting that they recently decided to add a full-fledged ToS, but as I already said, it's only a formal thing as nothing has changed for its users.