Why do you still want to play fake web2 casinos? Why we choose web3 casinos

[Slow death]

I think the answer is fairly simple: web3 casinos aren’t that polished just yet and web2 platforms simply work. If you can point out an example of a web3 casino that works flawlessly that doesn’t have any issues with law enforcement, then that would be great and we might as well try. That’s another reason why Web3 platforms aren’t as popular: they have potential issues with governments due to their nature that’s why people wouldn’t dare risk it.

Of course, we are working on having a license. But what is the license for? It is to protect the user from central authorities. Getting licenses for DAOs isn't easy because contracts own the system. For example, AAVE is like a bank, but it does not have a bank license. There is a lot of uncertainty about DAOs. Hopefully, we'll be the first to figure this out. Here users have to trust the contracts. For the security of the codes, of course, it is necessary to have audits with highly reputable security companies. All of this has already been done. We are negotiating with various license providers on the other issue and we will definitely reach a conclusion.

Currently, games can be played with WBTC on the platform. It is not possible to integrate Bitcoin in a decentralized way. If we get into the deposit-and-play thing like everyone else, then we'll compromise on decentralization.

although I also disagree with these government rules forcing casinos and people to have to do kyc, so as we have no choice we have to obey the laws and in that part how will your casino deal with kyc? it will be very complicated, the license issue will also be complicated, but your biggest problem is the fact that you don't have bitcoin as a deposit option in your casino so with that move you exclude those people who like to place bets only with bitcoin, so you come in this section where it is dedicated to bitcoin obviously you would have a problem

for you to be able to compete with other casinos you need to add bitcoin and old and more popular altcoins and you have to pay advertising so that your casino is widely known, then all you will need to do is have good customer service, bug free casino, be active in forum, these are things that are part of good marketing, but from what I can see it would not be easy for you to put bitcoin, so create publicity and tell people that your casino is intended for people who have altcoins and like to use them in casinos, if your casino has a lot of games then people will play there

[Fivestar4everMVP]

Web3 casinos are still very much new to several gamblers, we could take a look at centralized and decentralized exchanges for example, as of today decentralized exchanges have become quite popular, but why hasnt every trader abandoned centralized exchanges for decentralized ones?
The answer is quite simple, going decentralized is pretty complicated for many, coupled with that you have to hold the coin that powers the chain you are transacting on, so as to be able to pay for transaction confirmations on the chain, in as much as this is a lame reason, it still can be a good reason why many have refused to completely abandon centralized exchanges - we can link this same scenario to web2 and web3 casinos - and to add, like I mentioned earlier, web3 casinos are still very new and yet to gain trust from gamblers, a web3 casino right now will need alot of marketing to make any wave.

And again, find a way to start accepting bitcoin deposit and withdrawals on your casino, and your ann won't be moved to altcoin board anymore.

[goldkingcoiner]

I just want to hear your ideas so we can improve our platform. Thanks to admins, they don't like decentralization and they moved our ANN to altcoin section again.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5453737.msg62314774#msg62314774

So lets discuss here. What do you advise to improve our casino to beat unfair web2 casinos.

Obviously we need to decentralize everything that we can. Especially things that have power over our money. Web2 casinos or exchanges are all the same. They carry the risk of taking your money away whenever they wish, for whatever reason. Some are older, more known and definitely more trustworthy. But the fact that we have to have a trust scale at all seems redundant. I would rather verify than trust. And replacing trusting with verifying is exactly what web3 is for.

Unfortunately, web3 is in its baby shoes and there are no truly decentralized casino platforms just yet. Sure, many claim to be web3 but thats mostly marketing some decentralized feature. That is why web2 casinos are just as likely to freeze your funds or reject your winnings as web3 casinos are. For now, anyway. We will achieve real decentralization of casinos at some point in the future.

[STT]

Some draw a hard line between Bitcoin and the alternatives derived from the ideas of BTC origins but not directly related.  Hence a hard division between the two, I like innovation and all the possibilities but it does introduce possible complications that people maybe should be aware of as an added precaution.
  I followed your topic seems something interesting I should definitely know more about then I do currently.

The term Web3 was coined by Gavin Wood—one of the co-founders of the Ethereum cryptocurrency—as Web 3.0 in 2014. Since then it’s become a catch-all term for anything that has to do with the next generation of the internet being a decentralized digital infrastructure(Opens in a new window).

Wood, and those who support the Web3 concept, claim that Web 2.0 is controlled by big tech, which in turn is beholden to regulators who may or may not be effective at maintaining public trust in the internet or data security. In a 2021 interview with Wired(Opens in a new window), Wood said the current web requires trust in institutions that we can’t hold accountable:

"Maybe [companies] tell the truth because they're scared that their reputation will take a big hit if they don't. But then, as we saw with some of the Snowden revelations, sometimes companies don't get an opportunity to tell the truth," Wood told Wired. "Sometimes, security services can just install a box in their back office, and they're told, ‘You don't need to look at this box, you're not allowed to say or do anything about this box, you just have to sit quietly.’” https://www.pcmag.com/how-to/what-is-web3-and-how-will-it-work

[Desmong]

I just want to hear your ideas so we can improve our platform. Thanks to admins, they don't like decentralization and they moved our ANN to altcoin section again.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5453737.msg62314774#msg62314774

So lets discuss here. What do you advise to improve our casino to beat unfair web2 casinos.

The only thing you need is to do what you say you will do. There are casinos just like yours that will make a big promise but end up cheating there customers. That alone can spoil your reputation and make gamblers not to choose to use your casino and bet. Provide more games and increase bonuses because that will make more gamblers to want to bet since there are bonuses.

[Newlifebtc]

I just want to hear your ideas so we can improve our platform. Thanks to admins, they don't like decentralization and they moved our ANN to altcoin section again.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5453737.msg62314774#msg62314774

So lets discuss here. What do you advise to improve our casino to beat unfair web2 casinos.

The only thing you need is to do what you say you will do. There are casinos just like yours that will make a big promise but end up cheating there customers. That alone can spoil your reputation and make gamblers not to choose to use your casino and bet. Provide more games and increase bonuses because that will make more gamblers to want to bet since there are bonuses.

the way you are in the sizing on casino I don't think that there is no casino that does not have cheating on its way or principles because I know that casinos platform cheating is the way they make their own money so over I'm making all repeating the statement of a casino platforms cheating I don't think that is a very nice idea from my own understand that is why I continue to go through or what you post and continue to be quoting you to antagonize or to come against your posts.

[CryptSafe]

do well to work on accepting bitcoin as quick as possible

This is another reason to their being u professional enough because most standard casinos accept bitcoin, they may decided not to accept other cryptocurrencies but bitcoin is a must for acceptabilities despite if they have their own coin introduced.

Bitcoin is the first priority for every casino because it is a general commodity for all gamblers online. When it comes to funds mostly and commonly used by online gamblers, you think of bitcoin because bitcoin has been there onset from the very first beginning of online gambling and it has been there and would  still remain there and moreover, it is the first cryptocurrency to be acknowledged and accepted as a digital currency before the advent of other crypto currency so therefore, any new generational casino that is thinking of standing without including bitcoin as a means of payment is likely not going anywhere because nobody would look into their way to gamble with them. Justbet should know about this before they doom themselves.

[acroman08]

I just want to hear your ideas so we can improve our platform. Thanks to admins, they don't like decentralization and they moved our ANN to altcoin section again.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5453737.msg62314774#msg62314774

So lets discuss here. What do you advise to improve our casino to beat unfair web2 casinos.

it's not that the admins don't like decentralization, this board has a rule that a gambling site that is going to post an ANN thread here needs to accept BTC as a payment method in order for their thread to remain here. your gambling site isn't the only one that has been moved to the altcoin board for not accepting BTC as a payment method on their gambling site. one thing you can do if you want your thread to stay here is to accept BTC as a payment method.

[Ebede]

I just want to hear your ideas so we can improve our platform. Thanks to admins, they don't like decentralization and they moved our ANN to altcoin section again.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5453737.msg62314774#msg62314774

So lets discuss here. What do you advise to improve our casino to beat unfair web2 casinos.

The only thing you need is to do what you say you will do. There are casinos just like yours that will make a big promise but end up cheating there customers. That alone can spoil your reputation and make gamblers not to choose to use your casino and bet. Provide more games and increase bonuses because that will make more gamblers to want to bet since there are bonuses.

consumer platforms have their own strategic ways they do use to make their own money so you cannot blame them or saying that they are cheating because you don't know what the bathroom and then kind of metal they use in anything that they do so I don't blend casino platforms

[bitbunnny]

I just want to hear your ideas so we can improve our platform. Thanks to admins, they don't like decentralization and they moved our ANN to altcoin section again.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5453737.msg62314774#msg62314774

So lets discuss here. What do you advise to improve our casino to beat unfair web2 casinos.

The only thing you need is to do what you say you will do. There are casinos just like yours that will make a big promise but end up cheating there customers. That alone can spoil your reputation and make gamblers not to choose to use your casino and bet. Provide more games and increase bonuses because that will make more gamblers to want to bet since there are bonuses.

I agree that casinos should avoid big promises they didn't intend to keep just to attract gamblers. I don't believe that in essence casino's have intention to cheat because that will ruin them and their business sooner or later but sometimes they want quick profit and don't mind about fair and legit running of business. But any one of us has always keep in mind the nain reasons that casinos exist is profit in shortest period of time as possible.

[Hispo]

I honestly I would not mind if the forum policies allowed web 3 casinos to be around here as well, but unfortunately this is Bitcoin-talk so Bitcoin needs to be within the topic in questions, whatever it is, otherwise it is moved to the alternative section.

I would not go as far as calling web2 or traditional casinos to be fake or unfair, it is just about having a different concept or market, which you would like to approach as a service provider, still getting a look at your ANN. I almost missed it if not for this thread, btw.

[tusandii]

I honestly I would not mind if the forum policies allowed web 3 casinos to be around here as well, but unfortunately this is Bitcoin-talk so Bitcoin needs to be within the topic in questions, whatever it is, otherwise it is moved to the alternative section.

I would not go as far as calling web2 or traditional casinos to be fake or unfair, it is just about having a different concept or market, which you would like to approach as a service provider, still getting a look at your ANN. I almost missed it if not for this thread, btw.

Agreed, even though this is in the gambling section of the forum but at least they also have the use of Bitcoin as one of their main values.

Web2 or traditional casinos are actually not a fake because they had experienced a period of success in their time.
Maybe now a web3 base appears and I believe web3 updates and development will be superior to web2 but for now there is still little trust in web3 so saying the old one is fake is also not fair in my opinion.

[JustBet]

You don't want to take it against the mods but you're saying they don't like decentralization hehe. Why do you also attack web 2 casinos by calling them unfair and fake? I doubt most players would even consider opening your site with that kind of approach to promote your own.

There are hybrid gambling platforms here that allows connecting personal wallet directly to the casino while also giving players the option to login via email. Maybe try to look at them and see if you could adapt.

That's the next update we are working on it. Account Abstraction is the process of making it easier for users to interact with blockchain by customizing certain elements of smart contract accounts, from fee payment methods to transaction approval mechanisms.

with AA, they will be able to connect with their social accounts, will be able to play without paying fee etc. Step by step

[Kakmakr]

I think a lot of these Web3 casinos are created for money laundering purposes and decentralization are used to make it difficult for the law enforcement agencies to shut them down. 

This is the current perception of people towards the Web3 casinos at the moment, because people seem to think that they are mostly scam sites. It is basically the same with all "new" technologies... and a stage that will pass over time. (Bitcoin went through the same thing, until people realized that it is used more for legit projects)

[ryzaadit]

I don't care web2, web3 or anything you are called.

The main factor on gambling: Good platform, easy, can get my money in & out faster, have higher limit withdraw without KYC. Who care about web2/web3, we are gambler just want all these things.

So, even you said web2 is worse. Not for me.

[delfastTions]

I think a lot of these Web3 casinos are created for money laundering purposes and decentralization are used to make it difficult for the law enforcement agencies to shut them down. 

This is the current perception of people towards the Web3 casinos at the moment, because people seem to think that they are mostly scam sites. It is basically the same with all "new" technologies... and a stage that will pass over time. (Bitcoin went through the same thing, until people realized that it is used more for legit projects)

I think that bitcoin is used for legal payments even to a much greater extent than regular fiat payments.  
Just from a practically scientific experiment, which at some stage of development was used by criminals and scammers, they made such an image of "dirty" money.  And everywhere this information was disseminated as part of opposition from competitors - classical banking structures.  According to banking structures, I think there are orders of magnitude more criminal money, both in cash and in non-cash form.  But the negative image of bitcoin has been successfully created and now, only after many years of challenging this false statement in the public space, will it be possible to neutralize it.  In any case, I do not hope for it.  

Probably the story with WEB 3 will also face the fact that the image of something illegal or even fraudulent will be created.  
But this, as in the case of bitcoin, will be fixed simply based on the experience of using WEB 3 by a large number of people.  Moreover, many of them will not encounter fraud at all and will simply use such a casino or other sites in the WEB 3 system without any problems.
This, of course, is a question that humanity will have to solve for decades.

[bittraffic]

You don't want to take it against the mods but you're saying they don't like decentralization hehe. Why do you also attack web 2 casinos by calling them unfair and fake? I doubt most players would even consider opening your site with that kind of approach to promote your own.

There are hybrid gambling platforms here that allows connecting personal wallet directly to the casino while also giving players the option to login via email. Maybe try to look at them and see if you could adapt.

That's the next update we are working on it. Account Abstraction is the process of making it easier for users to interact with blockchain by customizing certain elements of smart contract accounts, from fee payment methods to transaction approval mechanisms.

with AA, they will be able to connect with their social accounts, will be able to play without paying fee etc. Step by step

What will make you win the decentralization is if you create a browser wallet for Bitcoin to connect to your Justbet and they may move back your thread to the right space.

Seeing that they already replied reasons why it was moved out of the Bitcoin board, there is nothting to add more to it. wBTC is not even considered BTC.

[JustBet]

What will make you win the decentralization is if you create a browser wallet for Bitcoin to connect to your Justbet and they may move back your thread to the right space.

Seeing that they already replied reasons why it was moved out of the Bitcoin board, there is nothting to add more to it. wBTC is not even considered BTC.

Unfortunately, Bitcoin doesn't support smart contracts so it is not possible at the moment.

I don't care web2, web3 or anything you are called.

The main factor on gambling: Good platform, easy, can get my money in & out faster, have higher limit withdraw without KYC. Who care about web2/web3, we are gambler just want all these things.

So, even you said web2 is worse. Not for me.

Yeah, you're right about it. If we look at the feedback we received from the users, we understand that they like the UI/UX. Apart from that, we need more games to entertain the players and we are working on them. Also, there is no deposit/withdraw things in Web3 Casinos as you're playing directly through your wallet.

[Outhue]

I just want to hear your ideas so we can improve our platform. Thanks to admins, they don't like decentralization and they moved our ANN to altcoin section again.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5453737.msg62314774#msg62314774

So lets discuss here. What do you advise to improve our casino to beat unfair web2 casinos.

Everyone loves decentralization more than centralization on this forum, including the admins, that's not the reason your ANN was moved to the altcoin section by the admins.

Web 2 or web 3 casinos makes no difference to me, every gambling platform that has good looking and fast dashboard is welcome by the people, if withdrawal is instant then your casino will attract even more people, but online gambling is all about how much gamblers can make, is they make less money to none on a web 3 casino do you think they will keep playing because it's web3? They will go back to the old Web2...

If the web 3 has less attractive offers and bonuses, gamblers will go back to the old web 2, this is why I said that it doesn't matter, for gamblers it's about the offers, bonuses and winning experience.

[_act_]

The main factor on gambling: Good platform, easy, can get my money in & out faster, have higher limit withdraw without KYC. Who care about web2/web3, we are gambler just want all these things.

So, even you said web2 is worse. Not for me.

But not only for you that web2 is good. There are many web2 casinos which have good reputation and there are ones that are good too. As long as they are satisfying their customers, they will have good reputation.

Seeing that they already replied reasons why it was moved out of the Bitcoin board, there is nothting to add more to it. wBTC is not even considered BTC.

All other coins like wBTC and many of them like that were created because of staking or yield farming or so, they are truly not bitcoin, they are all altcoins which are pegged with bitcoin price.