Why do you still want to play fake web2 casinos? Why we choose web3 casinos

[FatFork]

If they accept BRC-20 tokens would that mean anything now considering it's on the Bitcoin network? Not that familiar on this yet but it's fairly simple that it's related to Bitcoin compare to those who erc20 tokens or other chains.

Considering that BRC-20 tokens are built on the Bitcoin network, it can be reasonably assumed that a casino accepting such tokens would still fulfill the requirement of being connected to Bitcoin. Although, I am not sure how the moderators would look at this.

Leave the web3 side of thing out of this whole gambling idea, gamblers only want opportunities, I as a person, wants fun while losing some part of my money and having few numbers of wins, I don't think anything new can change the old experience of gambling, it's always the same.

Well, I would disagree with this. Nowadays, the majority of web2 online casinos actually demand KYC (Know Your Customer) verification from their customers. This is mainly because they operate as licensed platforms and are obligated to comply with legal regulations. However, it's worth mentioning that the crypto gambling community, in general, is not particularly fond of KYC procedures. Consequently, if web3 casinos manage to provide a secure and trustworthy environment for players while also addressing the concerns surrounding privacy and KYC, they could potentially gain a significant advantage in attracting users.

[tusandii]

Let me start from play stations. People are still using PS2 game station just because it is cheaper to the upgraded ones. Just the web2 and web3. People are still using web2 because probably it cheaper for them to play game so if you want to beat them you have to make some market survey from users and make some research from the net. And make your games in 4D/5D standard and let not your fees should not pursue your customers.

I understand your point. Fees may be a problem for players. Being on-chain requires a fee, but we will overcome this with Account Abstraction. Web2 users can log in with their social accounts and play games without paying a fee. We are working on it.

Does the free development guarantee the smooth running of every transaction and also the comfort of the players there?
Actually, cost is not an obstacle if gamblers can get satisfying service, like my own example, I don't really care about costs if I can get service and satisfaction.
But I admit some people choose to look for lower fees even though there are delays or it takes a long time on each transaction.
It all depends on usage and how much money we use.

[maydna]

Why should anyone care about web2 or web3 casino when one won't increase your winning chances over the other? You heard me right, web3 will matter only if gamblers are going to win more than using web2, if that's not the case then this debate is officially over.

Web3 is new and that's why almost every thing online want to join the cruise and gain from it's momentum, I get it, but this needs to be carried out professionally, what are the benefits of using web3 gambling platforms? Gasless transactions? Higher numbers of offers and bonuses? New gambling experience on the fun aspect?

Leave the web3 side of thing out of this whole gambling idea, gamblers only want opportunities, I as a person, wants fun while losing some part of my money and having few numbers of wins, I don't think anything new can change the old experience of gambling, it's always the same.

And that's why gamblers decide which casino they want to play at, whether web2, web3, or whatever. And if they win more often at one casino, they won't go anywhere and will stick around playing gambling there. But even though they also lose at the casino, maybe some of them stay there because they can get comfortable playing gambling. We must remember that gamblers also look for the convenience factor in playing gambling, which does not depend on the type of casino. And when we get comfortable, we will continue to play casino gambling.

[jostorres]

Web3 is new so most people believe that AI will play an important role in Web3. This is due to the heavy involvement of machine to machine communication and decision making that will be required to run many Web3 applications. web3 is nothing more than a rebranding effort for crypto, aiming to shake off some of the industry's cultural and political baggage and convince people that blockchains are the natural next step in computing. But web2 games are much easier to play. Even if there is a chance of losing, gamblers can recover very easily.

I don't understand what you mean by AI playing an important role in Web3 when AI is actually not a very big part of it since web3 is mostly about blockchain, cryptocurrencies, and decentralization, while AI is more on the machine learning side and these two are not closely related, though I know that these two can be used together but Web3 can also stand alone.

I also don't think that there is any advantage for players on a web2 casino compared to a web3 one, both have games with a house edge and the house will still have the same amount of chances of winning against a player even in a web2 casino.

[klidex]

I just want to hear your ideas so we can improve our platform. Thanks to admins, they don't like decentralization and they moved our ANN to altcoin section again.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5453737.msg62314774#msg62314774

So lets discuss here. What do you advise to improve our casino to beat unfair web2 casinos.

Before I give advice to you about everything you say please explain to me or to everyone what you say web2 casino is unfair?
I don't feel unfair unless this is just FOMO, sorry to sound a little harsh but I'm telling you what I'm really experiencing.
If you are from one of the web3 casinos and say web2 casino is unfair, how does your web3 system work and what bases have you added to your site? is it really using web3 base?

[Yatsan]

Web3 is new so most people believe that AI will play an important role in Web3. This is due to the heavy involvement of machine to machine communication and decision making that will be required to run many Web3 applications. web3 is nothing more than a rebranding effort for crypto, aiming to shake off some of the industry's cultural and political baggage and convince people that blockchains are the natural next step in computing. But web2 games are much easier to play. Even if there is a chance of losing, gamblers can recover very easily.

I don't understand what you mean by AI playing an important role in Web3 when AI is actually not a very big part of it since web3 is mostly about blockchain, cryptocurrencies, and decentralization, while AI is more on the machine learning side and these two are not closely related, though I know that these two can be used together but Web3 can also stand alone.

I also don't think that there is any advantage for players on a web2 casino compared to a web3 one, both have games with a house edge and the house will still have the same amount of chances of winning against a player even in a web2 casino.

Well I am seeing statements lately of how gamblers are associating the use of AI technology in gambling duch as detecting bots or using it as an advantage in this industry. Web 3 simply opens a decentralized platform for players wherein they'd be the ones to benefit from their winnings alone, likewise with streamers on their contents. The only advantage by web 2 I guess is being centralized in a way that it promotes better security towards gambling platforms. But as OP have mentioned, fake web 2 casinos? no matter what web it is, then that won't be advisable.

Either web 2 or 3, as long as it fills your need as a gambler and as long as your funds would be safe from conflicts, then it would be good to go regardless of the web you are using.

[dezoel]

The main thing is that the casino or other gambling services meet the requirements of honesty in the conditions. What difference does it make web2 or web3 if the casino has an open source and is accredited by programmers who see that the chances of winning are fair?
I think that such conditions are enough to safely play in an online casino.

Exactly, Web3 casino have a license to operate while they are just using a 3rd party provider for their games is audited and license too by gambling regulator. A pure decentralised casino is not in demand that much since centralized casino already move forward on the legality compared before that most casino do exit scam since they have nothing to lose because the owner is a complete anonymous.

Centralized casino is operating for so long without a problem or known serious scam accusations that doesn't solved. I doubt decentralized casino can beat that considering the games offered on web3 casino is very plain and simple.

I think it was the Web2 casinos are the ones who usually has a License but Web3's are like a Decentralized gambling site so License are sometimes unlikely here. I heard there are fake Web3's casinos out there but maybe they have a license too. That's fine I guess because having a License would mean that they are not a scam because if they are, they can't obtain a License at the first place and then they will be traced easily as I think it requires the team to be doxxed before they get their very own License.

Both Centralized and Decentralized casino has their own Pros and Cons. Some of us still prefers the Decentralized one because they stick on the vision of the original Cryptos which is to promote Decentralization.

[Coin_trader]

I just want to hear your ideas so we can improve our platform. Thanks to admins, they don't like decentralization and they moved our ANN to altcoin section again.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5453737.msg62314774#msg62314774

So lets discuss here. What do you advise to improve our casino to beat unfair web2 casinos.

Before I give advice to you about everything you say please explain to me or to everyone what you say web2 casino is unfair?
I don't feel unfair unless this is just FOMO, sorry to sound a little harsh but I'm telling you what I'm really experiencing.
If you are from one of the web3 casinos and say web2 casino is unfair, how does your web3 system work and what bases have you added to your site? is it really using web3 base?

I think he means the case of Web2 casino that is not paying players due to ToS issue or some games that rigged. Also your use of FOMO(Fear of Missing Out) is out of context here, perhaps the word you are looking for is FUD(Fear Uncertainty and Doubt).

There’s really some web2 casino that unfair on customers and they can easily do this because they have the full control of the casino. I think he is just trying to emphasize here the main advantage of web3 decentralized casino.

[CarnagexD]

I just want to hear your ideas so we can improve our platform. Thanks to admins, they don't like decentralization and they moved our ANN to altcoin section again.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5453737.msg62314774#msg62314774

So lets discuss here. What do you advise to improve our casino to beat unfair web2 casinos.

any casino must not beat one another. They just need to be profitable, have enough funds to operate, and apply the system day in and day out. Well probably there is always a competition in any business however, if one wants to thrive, a business vision is already enough. Focusing on their competition will only make them and their operation go in circle as they are minding their competitors business.

As any business would do, customers often go back on a service for two things. It's availability and its speed. Integration of crypto and BTC as part of web3 is ideal. Fast transactions is always the best. Even web3 companies are often decentralized, as long as it is regulated by trusted members, it will do good in the long run. It's always longevity is the key of any business.

[Fivestar4everMVP]

The main factor on gambling: Good platform, easy, can get my money in & out faster, have higher limit withdraw without KYC. Who care about web2/web3, we are gambler just want all these things.

So, even you said web2 is worse. Not for me.

But not only for you that web2 is good. There are many web2 casinos which have good reputation and there are ones that are good too. As long as they are satisfying their customers, they will have good reputation.

You are absolutely correct, for me though, I don't think I've seen a web3 casino I can completely trust the same way I atleast, trust on the web2 casino where I gamble, I understand that web3 casinos are trustless, but that can only be if there are no malicious code to hack and syphone funds from a user's wallet to the hackers wallet included in the smart contract.

Seeing that they already replied reasons why it was moved out of the Bitcoin board, there is nothting to add more to it. wBTC is not even considered BTC.

All other coins like wBTC and many of them like that were created because of staking or yield farming or so, they are truly not bitcoin, they are all altcoins which are pegged with bitcoin price.
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And again, I completely agree with you, wBTC are not real Bitcoins, the same way the price of wBTC is pegged to the price of the original bitcoin, it could also be depegged and liquidity withdrawn, and those who hold wBTC thinking they hold bitcoin will just lose their money.

[decodx]

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There’s really some web2 casino that unfair on customers and they can easily do this because they have the full control of the casino. I think he is just trying to emphasize here the main advantage of web3 decentralized casino.

Yeah, that's probably it. I also noticed that the OP mentioned "fake" web2 casinos in the title. And you know what? He's not wrong. There are some downright scammy online casinos out there, and they're a real threat to us players. They rig the games, manipulate the odds, and do everything in their power to make sure we lose our money. However, although the concept of web3 casinos, which operate on blockchain technology, may seem promising in terms of transparency and security, it doesn't guarantee that all web3 casinos will be trustworthy or immune to scams. Just like with any other industry, there will always be bad actors looking to exploit vulnerabilities and deceive unsuspecting players. Maybe even more so in this case, because the vast majority of web3 casinos will operate on decentralized platforms and smart contracts, which can introduce a whole new set of risks and challenges. Decentralized exchanges (DEXs), for example, have faced issues such as smart contract vulnerabilities, hacking incidents, and scams. Just as we have seen in the case of DEXs and other decentralized autonomous organizations (DAOs), the risks and challenges associated with web3 casinos can indeed be significant.

[BitcoinGirl.Club]

So lets discuss here. What do you advise to improve our casino to beat unfair web2 casinos.

Read few of the responses and my guess is web2 casinos are the casinos exists right now? Deposit crypto or fiat to their platform, play and if you win then withdraw?
The problems with these type of casinos are
[1.] You need to trust the casino management/service that they are not manipulating games
[2.] You need to trust them that they are not holding your fund if you win big
[3.] You need to trust them with your information like KYC and things like that.

But almost all casinos take care of their own business first. Will we say WEB3 casinos can serve better on the above three points?

[DoublerHunter]

So lets discuss here. What do you advise to improve our casino to beat unfair web2 casinos.

Read few of the responses and my guess is web2 casinos are the casinos exists right now? Deposit crypto or fiat to their platform, play and if you win then withdraw?
The problems with these type of casinos are
[1.] You need to trust the casino management/service that they are not manipulating games
[2.] You need to trust them that they are not holding your fund if you win big
[3.] You need to trust them with your information like KYC and things like that.

But almost all casinos take care of their own business first. Will we say WEB3 casinos can serve better on the above three points?

^All I know is that web2 is centralized and web3 is decentralized, which is that thought they have big differences.
By popularity and gaining the trust of the community is a way we can trust web2, plus another factor by having an active business here in our forum will bring them more trust than others. The reason could be people still love to use Web 2 casinos is the accessibility and user experience. Web2 casinos often have user-friendly interfaces and intuitive navigation, making them more accessible and convenient for casual users while Web3 casinos, on the other hand, may require additional technical knowledge or the use of specialized wallets and tools, which can be a barrier for some users, that was I see here.

[khaled0111]

Sorry, I just read your topic and want to tell you that your old topic's been moved to the altcoins board because, as a web3 casino, you don't accept bitcoin. Those are the rules and they apply to everyone. Don't take it personally.
I believe, you as part of this web3 casino, should enlighten us about what is the difference between web3 and web3 casinos, then we can argue which one of them is the best.
I'm asking this because most of us still don't know what a web3 casino is all about!

[Chikito]

Thanks to admins, they don't like decentralization and they moved our ANN to altcoin section again.

I just read your comment until page 3, and good, you have the best points I ever heard. And, Yes, agree with you, web3 development is good as the interpretation of blockchain development. But, whatever you explain and post, a forum rule is simple, if you don't have a Bitcoin, you are not on Gambling Board.

I don't know why you don't try development to make a Bitcoin deposit, you going here in the Bitcoin forum, of course, if you try to market it here, you must have a Bitcoin, just simple like that. And, if you force (don't have a Bitcoin) and still impose to market here, you are still welcome, the forum is open to anyone (altcoin), and the forum has tolerance, but you have to agree if mod put your thread on the altcoin service board.

[Haunebu]

Fake web 2.0 casinos? Seriously op? There are a couple of fake crappy ones for sure, but there are many popular web 2.0 sites which are great for gamblers though they do enforce KYC under certain conditions which is a bummer.

If BTC is somehow successfully integrated into web 3.0 platforms, many gamblers will definitely switch thanks to the decentralization aspect.

[decodx]

^All I know is that web2 is centralized and web3 is decentralized, which is that thought they have big differences.
By popularity and gaining the trust of the community is a way we can trust web2, plus another factor by having an active business here in our forum will bring them more trust than others. The reason could be people still love to use Web 2 casinos is the accessibility and user experience. Web2 casinos often have user-friendly interfaces and intuitive navigation, making them more accessible and convenient for casual users while Web3 casinos, on the other hand, may require additional technical knowledge or the use of specialized wallets and tools, which can be a barrier for some users, that was I see here.

I think that the concept of web3 is still largely undefined and does not have a clear meaning. Yes, the underlying technology of web3, such as blockchain, is designed to be decentralized, but this does not mean that everything that is web3 is also decentralized. There is underlying technology and there are applications or platforms built on top of it. While the technology itself may be decentralized, the actual implementation and use of web3 applications can vary.

[jostorres]

Sorry, I just read your topic and want to tell you that your old topic's been moved to the altcoins board because, as a web3 casino, you don't accept bitcoin. Those are the rules and they apply to everyone. Don't take it personally.
I believe, you as part of this web3 casino, should enlighten us about what is the difference between web3 and web3 casinos, then we can argue which one of them is the best.
I'm asking this because most of us still don't know what a web3 casino is all about!

A web3 casino is probably the one that uses blockchain technology and cryptography for all its operations including betting and the outcome of the bets, etc. Someone should be able to use their decentralized wallets to connect and play at a web3 casino because they are decentralized by nature. A web2 casino is a decentralized casino just like we have right now, examples are Stake, Duelbits, TrustDice, and many more.

That is at least what we know so far about web3 platforms, but the technology is fairly new and there will surely be improvements and more features added in the future and we might see a lot of changes in it in the times to come.

[BitcoinGirl.Club]

So lets discuss here. What do you advise to improve our casino to beat unfair web2 casinos.

Read few of the responses and my guess is web2 casinos are the casinos exists right now? Deposit crypto or fiat to their platform, play and if you win then withdraw?
The problems with these type of casinos are
[1.] You need to trust the casino management/service that they are not manipulating games
[2.] You need to trust them that they are not holding your fund if you win big
[3.] You need to trust them with your information like KYC and things like that.

But almost all casinos take care of their own business first. Will we say WEB3 casinos can serve better on the above three points?

^All I know is that web2 is centralized and web3 is decentralized, which is that thought they have big differences.

Unfortunately I still don't understand the Web3 versions very clearly. I saw many scam sites ask to connect their wallet and later found that they crypto were stolen. So it feels me uncomfortable to connect wallet through an extension. For me it's better to risk $100 or $200 or $500, deposit it and play in a casino. If I win then good, if I lose then I forget it for few months then play again.  

[goaldigger]

Fake web 2.0 casinos? Seriously op? There are a couple of fake crappy ones for sure, but there are many popular web 2.0 sites which are great for gamblers though they do enforce KYC under certain conditions which is a bummer.

If BTC is somehow successfully integrated into web 3.0 platforms, many gamblers will definitely switch thanks to the decentralization aspect.

Web 3.0 is not fully operational yet and there’s still a lot of things that needs to update.
So far Web 2.0 sites are still doing good especially if we are talking about the good gambling site here, when you say unfair its a broad description about the site and if you are experiencing problem with any site, then better to look for alternatives. OP’s site looks competitive too, better to go to the main thread and focus on that.