Why do you still want to play fake web2 casinos? Why we choose web3 casinos

[Dunamisx]

I feel like if something goes wrong with a “web2” casino, it’s an established process where they are responsible for any lost funds due to hacks or whatever. With a web3 casino I feel like if something goes wrong then they would point to the nature of web3 and say that you wanted to be responsible for your own funds. I’m all for being your own bank, but not every situation calls for it.

That's true, they believe they have advanced and level up the system to allow you have full responsibility over your fund but on the real sense they have the full custody indirect, but what I've found also that's common to this kind of experience is when a gambler try to make some suspicious moves, they take that and hold against them by freezing thier account which is another attack coming from their own end before the gamblers unleashed theirs first on them once detected.

[adzino]

Why would any one want to play on a new "web3" casino that no one knows about when there are already "web2" casinos (by which I guess you mean the centralized crypto casinos?) that has very good reputation, has been doing well, rewarding their users, solving all their issues they face? Why would someone want to risk their funds in something very new? Yeah, the "web3" casinos might be decentralized, but there are still ways were the "decentralization" might be compromised by the developers. And regulatory issues also exists. Gambling in a centralized casino seems more reliable and better to me in terms of support, legal issues and other general stuffs.

[Learn Bitcoin]

I feel like if something goes wrong with a “web2” casino, it’s an established process where they are responsible for any lost funds due to hacks or whatever. With a web3 casino I feel like if something goes wrong then they would point to the nature of web3 and say that you wanted to be responsible for your own funds. I’m all for being your own bank, but not every situation calls for it.

Well said, Og. Justbet representative trying to point out good things about web3 casinos and bad things about web2 casinos. The interesting part is they claimed that web2 casinos are unfair, and I asked him to back up his claim with any kind of proof or an explanation. But I am sad that I did not hear anything back from them. All I want to say to them is; every platform has its good sides and wrong sides. Don't point out others' problems while you also have some kind of problems. it's better to fix your own problem first and then point problems of others. It's like a dog eats dog situation. You don't have pull down someone to step forward. Better to oil your own machine! What do you say?

[arwin100]

I feel like if something goes wrong with a “web2” casino, it’s an established process where they are responsible for any lost funds due to hacks or whatever. With a web3 casino I feel like if something goes wrong then they would point to the nature of web3 and say that you wanted to be responsible for your own funds. I’m all for being your own bank, but not every situation calls for it.

Well said, Og. Justbet representative trying to point out good things about web3 casinos and bad things about web2 casinos. The interesting part is they claimed that web2 casinos are unfair, and I asked him to back up his claim with any kind of proof or an explanation. But I am sad that I did not hear anything back from them. All I want to say to them is; every platform has its good sides and wrong sides. Don't point out others' problems while you also have some kind of problems. it's better to fix your own problem first and then point problems of others. It's like a dog eats dog situation. You don't have pull down someone to step forward. Better to oil your own machine! What do you say?

He just trying to discourage people to use web2 casino since they see this still gaining despite of web3 slowly gaining fame in industry. But this shifting of likes and trust takes time since those web2 casino already earned some overwhelming fame so even though they are not doing any update regarding to this for now but for sure in future if web3 will became mandatory update provably majority will adopt and those people will remain on the casino where they trust the most and ignore other new one for a while.

[noormcs5]

I feel like if something goes wrong with a “web2” casino, it’s an established process where they are responsible for any lost funds due to hacks or whatever. With a web3 casino I feel like if something goes wrong then they would point to the nature of web3 and say that you wanted to be responsible for your own funds. I’m all for being your own bank, but not every situation calls for it.

Well said, Og. Justbet representative trying to point out good things about web3 casinos and bad things about web2 casinos. The interesting part is they claimed that web2 casinos are unfair, and I asked him to back up his claim with any kind of proof or an explanation. But I am sad that I did not hear anything back from them. All I want to say to them is; every platform has its good sides and wrong sides. Don't point out others' problems while you also have some kind of problems. it's better to fix your own problem first and then point problems of others. It's like a dog eats dog situation. You don't have pull down someone to step forward. Better to oil your own machine! What do you say?

He just trying to discourage people to use web2 casino since they see this still gaining despite of web3 slowly gaining fame in industry. But this shifting of likes and trust takes time since those web2 casino already earned some overwhelming fame so even though they are not doing any update regarding to this for now but for sure in future if web3 will became mandatory update provably majority will adopt and those people will remain on the casino where they trust the most and ignore other new one for a while.

Why would anyone suggest to leave the web 2.0 casino when the web 3.0 casino are not yet fully functional or in a very limited in number.

This can be compared with the centralised and decentralize exchanges where the centralised exchanges have a lot of features but they are access through the username and password while the decentralize exchanges we have control over the funds but they have lot less features.

It may take time that the web 3.0 casinos will get more popularity.

[bittraffic]

I feel like if something goes wrong with a “web2” casino, it’s an established process where they are responsible for any lost funds due to hacks or whatever. With a web3 casino I feel like if something goes wrong then they would point to the nature of web3 and say that you wanted to be responsible for your own funds. I’m all for being your own bank, but not every situation calls for it.

Well said, Og. Justbet representative trying to point out good things about web3 casinos and bad things about web2 casinos. The interesting part is they claimed that web2 casinos are unfair, and I asked him to back up his claim with any kind of proof or an explanation. But I am sad that I did not hear anything back from them. All I want to say to them is; every platform has its good sides and wrong sides. Don't point out others' problems while you also have some kind of problems. it's better to fix your own problem first and then point problems of others. It's like a dog eats dog situation. You don't have pull down someone to step forward. Better to oil your own machine! What do you say?

He just trying to discourage people to use web2 casino since they see this still gaining despite of web3 slowly gaining fame in industry. But this shifting of likes and trust takes time since those web2 casino already earned some overwhelming fame so even though they are not doing any update regarding to this for now but for sure in future if web3 will became mandatory update provably majority will adopt and those people will remain on the casino where they trust the most and ignore other new one for a while.

Why would anyone suggest to leave the web 2.0 casino when the web 3.0 casino are not yet fully functional or in a very limited in number.

This can be compared with the centralised and decentralize exchanges where the centralised exchanges have a lot of features but they are access through the username and password while the decentralize exchanges we have control over the funds but they have lot less features.

It may take time that the web 3.0 casinos will get more popularity.

The safety of funds will still be doubted by the users. Hacks reported that its when they connected to a web3 application that their funds started disappearing. The developers could argue their platform is safe and so it's tit for tat but then it's again going to be a reputation building for companies such as casinos.  Popularity and Funds assurance, this is where they are going to compete even when funds are in the user's own wallet. 

[KiaKia]

People will leave web2.0 for web3 if the advantages are very big but I don't see that happening, web 3 in the gambling/casino space has no difference from Web 2.0, now I even believe that the whole web3.0 idea is nonsense, something that's not fully functioning yet and most importantly, casinos are the last things that need or craves for web 3.0 the most because they don't need it, gamblers are happy with web 2.0 and I am still using web 2.0 crypto wallets and other.

If online casinos needs a better web it would at least introduce something worth switching for, right now, gamblers have no reasons to switch even if a casino is made of web 3.0, it's not needed.

[buwaytress]

A latecomer to this thread but other than being in agreement with ONasty on that not everything necessarily has to be decentralized -- I personally like gambling with a trusted entity, someone I trust can do the hard work required to create markets, to settle sports bets fairly (as opposed to objectively as a true smart contract might), even to enjoy some goodwill as I typically do at my favourite sportsbooks. Even to enjoy camaraderie between non-anon freaks.

That all said, a lot of people claim Web3 just the way people claimed decentralised a few years ago.

But they really only mean non-custodial, right OP? Wrapped BTC? Hosted (not distributed nodes) server. Single source developer? Non-diverse oracles for markets?

Aren't those all supposed to be the opposite of Web3 prerequisites? How many 'Web3' projects have all these?

[Wiwo]

I just want to hear your ideas so we can improve our platform. Thanks to admins, they don't like decentralization and they moved our ANN to altcoin section again.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5453737.msg62314774#msg62314774

So lets discuss here. What do you advise to improve our casino to beat unfair web2 casinos.

You think it's because of the decentralized nature pf web3 casino is the reason why the thread was moved to the altcoin section? If you have such beliefs then you are still far from understanding how posting in the forum works because web3 is pour altcoin oriented and as that its discussions belong to the altcoin section,  since it's unrelated to Bitcoin so admin is right for moving all web3 casino ANN fo altcoin section because that is where it belongs and not here in the main gambling board.

[AmoreJaz]

A latecomer to this thread but other than being in agreement with ONasty on that not everything necessarily has to be decentralized -- I personally like gambling with a trusted entity, someone I trust can do the hard work required to create markets, to settle sports bets fairly (as opposed to objectively as a true smart contract might), even to enjoy some goodwill as I typically do at my favourite sportsbooks. Even to enjoy camaraderie between non-anon freaks.

That all said, a lot of people claim Web3 just the way people claimed decentralised a few years ago.

But they really only mean non-custodial, right OP? Wrapped BTC? Hosted (not distributed nodes) server. Single source developer? Non-diverse oracles for markets?

Aren't those all supposed to be the opposite of Web3 prerequisites? How many 'Web3' projects have all these?

a lot of these casinos claiming to be practicing web 3.0 are really not web 3.0. as you said, they are more on non-custodial type thing but if you look at other facets, they are not exercising the web 3.0 features like total decentralisation.
and the data - i guess most of them are still owned by these owners not across users, which should be the case. somehow, the owners of these casinos still have control on the data they are actually receiving from their players.

[Pandu Geddon]

a lot of these casinos claiming to be practicing web 3.0 are really not web 3.0. as you said, they are more on non-custodial type thing but if you look at other facets, they are not exercising the web 3.0 features like total decentralisation.
and the data - i guess most of them are still owned by these owners not across users, which should be the case. somehow, the owners of these casinos still have control on the data they are actually receiving from their players.

maybe they're just capitalizing on the hype that web 3.0 brought over. several crypto projects also take advantage of it to attract incoming investment.
New casinos offer what is currently popular in the market. and when they offer good programs and bonuses, of course it attracts attention from new users.
it may indeed require more in-depth research to find out how such casinos work. if no victim has complained yet, it probably won't be a concern for many people.

[wxa7115]

A latecomer to this thread but other than being in agreement with ONasty on that not everything necessarily has to be decentralized -- I personally like gambling with a trusted entity, someone I trust can do the hard work required to create markets, to settle sports bets fairly (as opposed to objectively as a true smart contract might), even to enjoy some goodwill as I typically do at my favourite sportsbooks. Even to enjoy camaraderie between non-anon freaks.

That all said, a lot of people claim Web3 just the way people claimed decentralised a few years ago.

But they really only mean non-custodial, right OP? Wrapped BTC? Hosted (not distributed nodes) server. Single source developer? Non-diverse oracles for markets?

Aren't those all supposed to be the opposite of Web3 prerequisites? How many 'Web3' projects have all these?

a lot of these casinos claiming to be practicing web 3.0 are really not web 3.0. as you said, they are more on non-custodial type thing but if you look at other facets, they are not exercising the web 3.0 features like total decentralisation.
and the data - i guess most of them are still owned by these owners not across users, which should be the case. somehow, the owners of these casinos still have control on the data they are actually receiving from their players.

It is the same as always, how many altcoins are out there which claim to be decentralized and when you really dig into them you find out that the coin is completely centralized?

This is just the same, when scammers realized that the idea of a decentralized casino was getting popular they immediately created their platform and claimed to be decentralized, and unfortunately there are many newbies out there that will believe them without making their due research, and most likely this will suffer heavy consequences because of it.

[Doan9269]

Since we are blessed enough to have the opportunity to use either the web2 or web3 casino gambling, we cannot arrived at the conclusion that one is fake over the other because they both serve different aspects under same purpose for better gambling experience for it users, there's no doubt that many of them have already upgraded to the web 3 technology because they realizes that it's what people want more these current dispensation.

[Beparanf]

Since we are blessed enough to have the opportunity to use either the web2 or web3 casino gambling, we cannot arrived at the conclusion that one is fake over the other because they both serve different aspects under same purpose for better gambling experience for it users, there's no doubt that many of them have already upgraded to the web 3 technology because they realizes that it's what people want more these current dispensation.

I doubt that the majority of the casino upgraded to web3 technology as in the real web which casino use smart contracts for a decentralized betting. Most of web3 application done by the casinos are just the application of web3 wallets to login on the casino but the rest of the experience is still web2 since they still offer same centralized game coming from 3rd party provider.

Web2 casino is still the best in terms of user experience because most of the providers is using wbe2 to have a better game design that is not limited to blockchain.

[ethereumhunter]

Since we are blessed enough to have the opportunity to use either the web2 or web3 casino gambling, we cannot arrived at the conclusion that one is fake over the other because they both serve different aspects under same purpose for better gambling experience for it users, there's no doubt that many of them have already upgraded to the web 3 technology because they realizes that it's what people want more these current dispensation.

I doubt that the majority of the casino upgraded to web3 technology as in the real web which casino use smart contracts for a decentralized betting. Most of web3 application done by the casinos are just the application of web3 wallets to login on the casino but the rest of the experience is still web2 since they still offer same centralized game coming from 3rd party provider.

Web2 casino is still the best in terms of user experience because most of the providers is using wbe2 to have a better game design that is not limited to blockchain.

Web3 casinos will still be supervised by the government so that if many gamblers, big or small, visit the casino, the government can ask the casino to implement verification for all of its members. This is possible because the government doesn't want to pass up the opportunity to get more tax from the gambling industry.

I guess people are also still using web2, but they know the casino they want, and it's not a scam casino. Those who use these casinos have done a good search to find the right one.

[Negotiation]

Since we are blessed enough to have the opportunity to use either the web2 or web3 casino gambling, we cannot arrived at the conclusion that one is fake over the other because they both serve different aspects under same purpose for better gambling experience for it users, there's no doubt that many of them have already upgraded to the web 3 technology because they realizes that it's what people want more these current dispensation.

It seems blessed because Web3 will transform the Internet as we know it, upsetting the traditional gatekeepers and ushering in a new digital economy without intermediaries. This will make it easier for gamblers to play because most people believe that AI will play an important role in Web3. Currently, with blockchain technology, the gambling industry will grow even bigger with no government regulation.

[Wiwo]

Why would any one want to play on a new "web3" casino that no one knows about when there are already "web2" casinos (by which I guess you mean the centralized crypto casinos?) that has very good reputation, has been doing well, rewarding their users, solving all their issues they face? Why would someone want to risk their funds in something very new? Yeah, the "web3" casinos might be decentralized, but there are still ways were the "decentralization" might be compromised by the developers. And regulatory issues also exists. Gambling in a centralized casino seems more reliable and better to me in terms of support, legal issues and other general stuffs.

Web3 casino claim to be fully decentralized and even though that is not what is sustainable in the long run and it has created a lot of misconceptions around the gambling community and this is something we should take a closer look at to settle within our self whether or not we should trust the web3 development since there have been many negativity around web3 casino with a lot of unsolved issues.

Then so why then do we need a web3 casino when we have casinos like Stake and the rest reputable casino that offer almost everything the web3 promises?

[abel1337]

Since we are blessed enough to have the opportunity to use either the web2 or web3 casino gambling, we cannot arrived at the conclusion that one is fake over the other because they both serve different aspects under same purpose for better gambling experience for it users, there's no doubt that many of them have already upgraded to the web 3 technology because they realizes that it's what people want more these current dispensation.

I doubt that the majority of the casino upgraded to web3 technology as in the real web which casino use smart contracts for a decentralized betting. Most of web3 application done by the casinos are just the application of web3 wallets to login on the casino but the rest of the experience is still web2 since they still offer same centralized game coming from 3rd party provider.

Web2 casino is still the best in terms of user experience because most of the providers is using wbe2 to have a better game design that is not limited to blockchain.

Web3 casinos will still be supervised by the government so that if many gamblers, big or small, visit the casino, the government can ask the casino to implement verification for all of its members. This is possible because the government doesn't want to pass up the opportunity to get more tax from the gambling industry.

I guess people are also still using web2, but they know the casino they want, and it's not a scam casino. Those who use these casinos have done a good search to find the right one.

This is what I'm thinking. I'm sure that government will find a way to tax gambler or worst completely ban the things that they cannot control such as decentralized casino. If somehow web3 casinos become a norm in the future and web2 casino is already losing it's traction, Government will surely implement things that they will gain something from knowing that the tax money they are getting from casino is getting smaller and smaller. I know we are heading to web3 but government makes me worries about the possible implementation that they can do to overall web3. It might be a revolution that we come to the point that government can't do anything to web3 platforms.

[dezoel]

He just trying to discourage people to use web2 casino since they see this still gaining despite of web3 slowly gaining fame in industry. But this shifting of likes and trust takes time since those web2 casino already earned some overwhelming fame so even though they are not doing any update regarding to this for now but for sure in future if web3 will became mandatory update provably majority will adopt and those people will remain on the casino where they trust the most and ignore other new one for a while.

I don't really see any significant success for the web3 platforms so far, we don't even have much in the industry for the time being, even if there are, most people don't use them due to trust issues because they require you to connect your wallet with the website in order to be able to gamble which can be risky if the website isn't trusted and all your assets are kept in that wallet, that's why these platforms aren't getting enough fame for now.

There might be a time in future when these web3 platforms will become popular and might even cross web2 platforms in popularity and revenue generating, but for the time being, web2 casinos are ruling the online gambling industry and there are no signs of them going down.

[Outhue]

Since we are blessed enough to have the opportunity to use either the web2 or web3 casino gambling, we cannot arrived at the conclusion that one is fake over the other because they both serve different aspects under same purpose for better gambling experience for it users, there's no doubt that many of them have already upgraded to the web 3 technology because they realizes that it's what people want more these current dispensation.

I doubt that the majority of the casino upgraded to web3 technology as in the real web which casino use smart contracts for a decentralized betting. Most of web3 application done by the casinos are just the application of web3 wallets to login on the casino but the rest of the experience is still web2 since they still offer same centralized game coming from 3rd party provider.

Web2 casino is still the best in terms of user experience because most of the providers is using wbe2 to have a better game design that is not limited to blockchain.

Let there be fun and people won't care where or which web the game is running on, I could decide to get rid of my PC for a PlayStation 5 to enjoy the games that are only available for PlayStation because they are more fun, if web 2.0 casino games are addictive enough, what else more do gamblers need? Will web 3 erase losses when gambling? Will web 3 introduce a way that gamblers can reduce losses? Who cares about all these? If I can gamble on a casino that gives me what I want I won't care if it's Web 1.2.3, it doesn't matter to me, the fun and experience is all I yearn for.