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June 16, 2023, 09:09:42 PM
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I'm not specific to any religion and hopefully, no members here will mention any religion, the topic is in general and not specific to one's religion
Can a compulsive gambler that is newly converted to one religion, compel him to stop gambling?

When we talk about religion it's about changing our ways, ideas, and beliefs so when we successfully help one compulsive gambler to convert from an example to an atheist to one's religion can we compel him to stop gambling?
I am sure some of them can, but some of them will struggle because addiction is not something you can pray away. But you definitely can use religion as a walking stick trough hard times. Usually person changes other patterns in their life as well, so it will be easier to stay away from addiction.

Is it possible that he will continue playing but secretly?
Well obviously, but he would be doing it in secret because peer pressure of religious community. They wouldn't be trying to hide from deity they worship. Or they could even find loopholes from the religion to justify their gambling.

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June 16, 2023, 09:28:24 PM
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I'm not specific to any religion and hopefully, no members here will mention any religion, the topic is in general and not specific to one's religion

Can a compulsive gambler that is newly converted to one religion, compel him to stop gambling?

When we talk about religion it's about changing our ways, ideas, and beliefs so when we successfully help one compulsive gambler to convert from an example to an atheist to one's religion can we compel him to stop gambling?

Is it possible that he will continue playing but secretly?


It is possible that a religion can stop an addicted person to top gambing.  The process of replacing the uncontrollable urge to gamble with the urge to to set things straight.  Faith is a very powerful agent that can turn a person and its standpoint in an instance.

Once enlightened by religion, the person will definitely avoid or stop playing in casinos since the faith will serve as catalyst to make a gambling addict stop gambling.  Remember gambling addiction occupies a person's state of mind, faith also occupies the person's state of mind, and with faith outweighing the urge to gamble then it can really serve as way to stop gambling addiction.
Depends actually on someones will and strong mind whether they could really be stopping their gambling behavior on the time that they would switch up religion. I have known someone of my neighboorhood which they are ones that drunkards' which they had eventually stopped that kind of thing on the time that they did switch up religion and it is really that surprising that there's really a change of a certain person if  they are really
that willing to quit but honestly it isnt really that actually the sole reason because it is really just that a state of mind on which if you do really like to quit then you could quit right away but if not
then you would really be continuing on doing that.

So this one falls into that situation where it would really be totally depending on someones will and discipline whether it is really that under the influence of religion or not. We could eventually quit up gambling
if we wanted or simply with just that personal approach. Although it wouldnt be so easy knowing that addiction isnt something that so simple that could really be solved out.

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June 16, 2023, 09:39:41 PM
 #43

I'm not specific to any religion and hopefully, no members here will mention any religion, the topic is in general and not specific to one's religion

Can a compulsive gambler that is newly converted to one religion, compel him to stop gambling?

When we talk about religion it's about changing our ways, ideas, and beliefs so when we successfully help one compulsive gambler to convert from an example to an atheist to one's religion can we compel him to stop gambling?

Is it possible that he will continue playing but secretly?


Well the truth is that none of this things will ever happen suddenly and I wouldn't say that the convert will stick so easily but the fact is that fir a newly converted to actually focus and not get distracted to gamble at any point, he or she will actually need someone to be with them or constantly remind them of the consequences of the actions of persistent gambling  and that is why the best place to get someone corrected from addiction is to take them to a correctional center or hospital so that they can be taken proper care of.
I know of cases where some religion speaks against gambling so hard and forbids its members from gambling  but you'll agree with me that some of their members still gamble in secrets which is a prove that religion doesn't really matter but it's one's choice and behavioir.

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June 16, 2023, 09:46:39 PM
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Can a compulsive gambler that is newly converted to one religion, compel him to stop gambling?

Is it possible that he will continue playing but secretly?
If only people of the world was true to all the doctrims of there religion, the world would have been a more safe place to live.

In truth, there is no any one person in our world today that keeps to all the doctrims of there religion. All we can do is try but, its never enough and we are selective on what doctrim to follow and which not to. Tye onces that's suits us perhaps as it should be.

Still, gambling is just a game like any other. A game of prediction but, having a stake to it is the difference here and the main element of gambling. If one can keep to good morals even in there gambling activities, then its all cool.
Sometimes, we over rate religion.
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June 16, 2023, 09:50:14 PM
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Some people are religious, but they started gambling and even with their religion, they still became addicted to Gambling. Choosing not to gamble is not a decision influenced by religion, it is a personal decision. As an addicted gambler, you will stop gambling when you decide, if you cannot help yourself, then you need help, but admitting the need to change is the first thing to do. Your personal decision matters more and will be a stronger to make you stop gambling.
^That is a good thought, it should be a personal decision and not just because it is caused by religion.
But it has an impact if you are a religious person because there are some compulsive gamblers who undergo a religious conversion, the newfound faith and its teachings may inspire a genuine desire to overcome their gambling addiction. The individual may find strength, support, and guidance within their religious community, which can assist them in refraining from gambling. However, in the end, the decision is still in you not because of them.
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June 16, 2023, 09:54:14 PM
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Can a compulsive gambler that is newly converted to one religion, compel him to stop gambling?

The influence of the religion can totally change your perspective about gambling and if you’re serious with that Religion, you’ll follow it and later on you’ll get used to it. Most of the Religion believes that Gambling is not ok though many are still not following it. The chance to quit gambling just because of Religion is 50/50, some Religion are not that strict. Compulsive gambler is still not an addict gambler, there’s still a big chance for him to quit gambling and with a help of Religion and his activities to that Religion, he can easily stop gambling.

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June 16, 2023, 09:59:01 PM
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If you’re into gambling that much, then it will not be easy but if you are serious to change your course and start following the words of the Lord then you can achieve it and be free from any gambling stress.

Religion have their influence to their followers though believe it or not, not all are following their rules so expect that some can still gamble secretly especially those who are not serious about quitting.
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June 16, 2023, 10:14:59 PM
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Can a compulsive gambler that is newly converted to one religion, compel him to stop gambling?

When we talk about religion it's about changing our ways, ideas, and beliefs so when we successfully help one compulsive gambler to convert from an example to an atheist to one's religion can we compel him to stop gambling?
If the religion he is moving to doesn't accept gambling and consider it a sin, it's likely he is going to stop betting, so he will be being coherent with his decision of becoming an adept of that religion, which will have a heavy impact on several aspects of his life.

Is it possible that he will continue playing but secretly?
Obviously, since it's everything about the "free will" we have in life. We are on the control of the situations we face daily. We can choose being coherent or incoherent towards them. The person can continue gambling secretly, maybe because he isn't strong enough to fight his fleshly desires or maybe because he isn't aiming to be loyal to his new religion since the beginning, that is, he is just joining it for another reasons, such as social status and financial reasons (what is really common).

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June 16, 2023, 10:19:50 PM
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I'm not specific to any religion and hopefully, no members here will mention any religion, the topic is in general and not specific to one's religion

Can a compulsive gambler that is newly converted to one religion, compel him to stop gambling?

When we talk about religion it's about changing our ways, ideas, and beliefs so when we successfully help one compulsive gambler to convert from an example to an atheist to one's religion can we compel him to stop gambling?
Religion is capable of making a genuine adherent cease from engaging in whatever activity that's not in line with his religious belief. Like Karl Marx clearly stated that "religion is an opium of the masses". It is one tool  that's fundamentally used to subdue the actions and inactions of humans and especially when it is used in the positive it is capable of changing anyone away from their old lifestyle and behavior.
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Is it possible that he will continue playing but secretly?
Except such a new entrant never genuine got himself converted. To accept a religion is to accept ways and it belief system therefore abhorring anything the religion is not in tone with.
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Last edit: June 16, 2023, 10:56:13 PM by AmoreJaz
 #50

I'm not specific to any religion and hopefully, no members here will mention any religion, the topic is in general and not specific to one's religion

Can a compulsive gambler that is newly converted to one religion, compel him to stop gambling?

When we talk about religion it's about changing our ways, ideas, and beliefs so when we successfully help one compulsive gambler to convert from an example to an atheist to one's religion can we compel him to stop gambling?
Religion is capable of making a genuine adherent cease from engaging in whatever activity that's not in line with his religious belief. Like Karl Marx clearly stated that "religion is an opium of the masses". It is one tool  that's fundamentally used to subdue the actions and inactions of humans and especially when it is used in the positive it is capable of changing anyone away from their old lifestyle and behavior.
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Is it possible that he will continue playing but secretly?
Except such a new entrant never genuine got himself converted. To accept a religion is to accept ways and it belief system therefore abhorring anything the religion is not in tone with.

if the person is indeed genuine about following his religion, he can very well opt to life-changing decision and commit to whatever his religion is teaching him to live a better life. but yes, if he is just using the religion as a front, then he can easily be swayed by personal desires. this is why religion is not the ultimate route in changing the life of a person because it is still heavily dependent on the person himself.

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June 16, 2023, 11:05:15 PM
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Can a compulsive gambler that is newly converted to one religion, compel him to stop gambling?

Converting to another religion is a hard choice and it requires 100% realization that those persons really decided to do so.

Therefore, we can assume those persons are really serious about following the so-called "doctrines" of that religion - and that includes minimizing gambling activity (if it's prohibited under that said religion). Their everyday life will surely be changed after converting and it will affect their prior usual activities e.g gambling etc.

When we talk about religion it's about changing our ways, ideas, and beliefs so when we successfully help one compulsive gambler to convert from an example to an atheist to one's religion can we compel him to stop gambling?

Honestly, the bottom line here is, no one here can really give us a close answer since it should come from a person who has the experience like that. I don't know if there's a user here who has that situation and is willing to share their experience.

That's the reason why the topic is somehow no need for any further discussion. Instead, maybe it's good to ask that on a forum where there are sections for religions. However, you really need to post and ask the question manually in each thread.

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June 16, 2023, 11:07:48 PM
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I'm not specific to any religion and hopefully, no members here will mention any religion, the topic is in general and not specific to one's religion

Can a compulsive gambler that is newly converted to one religion, compel him to stop gambling?

When we talk about religion it's about changing our ways, ideas, and beliefs so when we successfully help one compulsive gambler to convert from an example to an atheist to one's religion can we compel him to stop gambling?

Is it possible that he will continue playing but secretly?


I think this is entirely possible especially if that person is devoted and dedicated in following the morals/lessons of his/her religion.

Remember that there are countries where religion is the main focus and drive of the country. Specifically, Muslim countries prohibit the use of any gambling activities as they deemed it unlawful. Following this kind of prohibition, it is but obvious that these countries would completely prohibit gambling which makes it almost impossible for the inhabitants to attempt it.

Though this may be the case, there are still people who gamble even if their religion prohibits. At the end of the day, it depends upon the person if they respect their religion which makes them avoid gambling at all cost.
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June 16, 2023, 11:08:25 PM
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I think it is possible but would depend on how strong his belief is. We are talking about impulsion here wherein it is a state that a player is gambling as part of his everyday routine, or without thinking of having to put a stop on such behavior or habit. Religion on the other hand is a belief and all of its teachings are meant to be applied on a daily basis. So if an individual would come across a religion and would take initiative to engage to its teachings, then there's a tendency for him to change behaviors and habits that are against what is wrong or in contrast with those teachings. We all know gambling is not supported to most, if not all, religion. Which is why I pointed out it dependence with the strength of that individual's faith.
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June 16, 2023, 11:09:27 PM
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It is possible that he'll comply with the religion's rule of not gambling and at the same time gambling secretly. At the end of the day, this will depend on the gambler's willingness to submit to its religion and if he's really pursuing to change, he'll follow what rules are said to that religion.
While those that are still helping themselves and looking for ways to stop themselves so that they won't get addicted will find this as a solution. But then again, this will depend on their willingness so all of the answers to the questions are possible.

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June 16, 2023, 11:29:19 PM
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I'm not specific to any religion and hopefully, no members here will mention any religion, the topic is in general and not specific to one's religion

Can a compulsive gambler that is newly converted to one religion, compel him to stop gambling?

When we talk about religion it's about changing our ways, ideas, and beliefs so when we successfully help one compulsive gambler to convert from an example to an atheist to one's religion can we compel him to stop gambling?

Is it possible that he will continue playing but secretly?

Considering that gambling can become an addiction and disease as strong as alcohol, cigarettes or other illicit drugs, I believe that there are several possibilities for each situation.

Most religions prohibit gambling, so most people who are not atheists could be in this situation.
Whether you actually drop games or continue playing occasionally or play in secret depends on many personal factors:

First, imagine someone who is forced by his parents not to play because the family's religion forbids it, I believe he will easily play hide and seek.

Now, imagine someone who went through great financial difficulties, got into debt to the point of losing a car or his house, his wife left him and his children no longer respect him... then he bowed in faith and got a second chance at life. life to start over. It is very likely that he will never play again.

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June 16, 2023, 11:41:19 PM
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Can a compulsive gambler that is newly converted to one religion, compel him to stop gambling?
Yes.

When we talk about religion it's about changing our ways, ideas, and beliefs so when we successfully help one compulsive gambler to convert from an example to an atheist to one's religion can we compel him to stop gambling?
You don't have to when it's already successful. These gamblers will change for their own betterment if that's what they're looking for. But if they don't think that they've got a reason to do that even if you force them with these things to change, they won't change.

Is it possible that he will continue playing but secretly?
Yes.

At the beginning, it's hard to change instantly but eventually these secret bets might even be gone when the will power is stronger to change.

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June 17, 2023, 12:04:09 AM
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I'm not specific to any religion and hopefully, no members here will mention any religion, the topic is in general and not specific to one's religion

Can a compulsive gambler that is newly converted to one religion, compel him to stop gambling?

When we talk about religion it's about changing our ways, ideas, and beliefs so when we successfully help one compulsive gambler to convert from an example to an atheist to one's religion can we compel him to stop gambling?

Is it possible that he will continue playing but secretly?

I guess it depends? I'm more of the reason the person will quit because you just don't get "converted" into a religion. It means you believe in it or its beliefs resonate with you. Now I'm not a religious fanatic, but a basic change in a person's beliefs can go a long way, not just in religions really. Who knows, the person may actually just need a reason to stop gambling, and his new religion may be enough of a factor to push it.

But I wouldn't pull out playing secretly. An addict doesn't exactly stop doing what he's addicted to all at once. It's a slow process. If he can manage that, then I reckon it should be possible. If not, well, withdrawals have a high chance of happening and in that case, quitting may just be far from actually happening.

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June 17, 2023, 02:33:24 AM
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Religion forbids people to gamble but if a compulsive gambler has no intention to stop gambling, I think it's hard to happen because it depends on the gambler himself. If he embraces one religion to stop, that's good for him because he has already realized that gambling is prohibited by religion.

If we force a compulsive gambler to stop gambling, I suspect it will be some resistance from him because he has no intention of quitting yet. After all, a compulsive gambler can hide his gambling activities from others so that those around him do not know if he is a compulsive gambler.

Maybe we can only advise him to stop gambling but we cannot force him. But whatever it is, the compulsive gambler can continue playing so quietly that it means nothing even if he embraces his new religion.

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June 17, 2023, 04:17:18 AM
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I'm not specific to any religion and hopefully, no members here will mention any religion, the topic is in general and not specific to one's religion

Can a compulsive gambler that is newly converted to one religion, compel him to stop gambling?

When we talk about religion it's about changing our ways, ideas, and beliefs so when we successfully help one compulsive gambler to convert from an example to an atheist to one's religion can we compel him to stop gambling?

Is it possible that he will continue playing but secretly?

I think that if all of this is based on a sense of coercion and compulsion, the success rate in getting the gambler to stop is very minimal. Because approaching someone even though through religious channels, but by force, usually will end badly and tend to hate that religion more. Because in my opinion, playing gambling or not, it's each person's right, the most important thing is not harming each other, I don't think there will be a problem. But if we take it into the context of religion, there are indeed some religions in this world that prohibit gambling. But what I know, there is no religious teaching that forces someone, especially people of that religion, to immediately stop playing gambling. So if you ask whether people who gamble can stop because of certain religious teachings, in my opinion the answer is relative.
Because when it comes to the awareness of the human heart, in my opinion it is a matter of the almighty, and human speech (religious experts) is only an intermediary, which cannot guarantee an outcome.

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June 17, 2023, 04:25:50 AM
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Generally, I don't think that you can compel someone to stop doing something or do something that they don't do, if you force them, they might act like they've left doing it or if you are making them do something, they will do it in front of you but with a heavy heart and won't actually do it from their heart which is useless in my opinion, if they do a practice themselves because they believe it is good or bad for them, that is what matters.

There are religions that prohibit gambling, like Islam, which doesn't allow Muslims to gamble because it is considered a sin and the money earned from it is considered Haram (prohibited to use), so if someone converts and becomes a Muslim, they are religiously not allowed to do it, but no one can compel them, if their religious beliefs are strong, they might stop doing it themselves.

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