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June 21, 2023, 02:34:23 PM
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Chart patterns can be valuable tools for traders to understand market behavior and predict future price movements accurately. They can enhance your strategies, profitability and allow you to make more informed trading decisions. I summarized another article here, this time for the bear flag pattern - one of the most common and used one by traders. Here is the source, where you can find also other chart patterns.


What is the Bear Flag Pattern:

The bear flag pattern is a technical analysis pattern that occurs during a downtrend. It involves two sharp price drops separated by a brief consolidation phase. The pattern suggests that a further bearish move is likely, and it is confirmed when the lower support trendline is broken. This leads to another downtrend with prices falling towards the low of the formation.




Is the Bear Flag Pattern a Continuation or Reversal Pattern?

Bear flag occurs often in the market and it is generally considered to be a continuation pattern. It signals a pause or consolidation within a downtrend, where the bears take a brief break, and prices move slightly upward in a rectangular shape before continuing the downtrend. The breakout often occurs with a significant trading volume. Traders should look for either a break of important support or a pullback.




How to Identify a Bear Flag Pattern?

The bear flag pattern is a chart pattern that occurs during a downtrend. Traders should look for a fast and sharp decline in price (called a flagpole). This is followed by a brief period of consolidation (known as a flag), which is surrounded by two parallel upward-trending lines.

In bear flag formation, the volume is often in a downward trend. The breakout from the flag pattern typically occurs with a significant volume and confirms the continuation of the downtrend. Although this is not always the case, flag patterns with a diminishing volume or light breakout volume usually perform better.



During the consolidation phase, traders watch out for the price breakdown through the lower trendline and make a new low since it shows the bears are in control again to push another decline.




Where to Place Target and Stop Loss?

The target can be placed by measuring the distance from the start of the sharp price movement (the pole of the bear flag) to the point where the pattern’s upper trend line ends.
The stop loss can be placed above the upper trend line of the pattern. And you should aim for a risk-to-reward ratio of at least 2R. (for every 1 unit of risk you expect 2 units of reward).


How to incorporate the Bear Flag Pattern into your automated trading strategy?

To include the Bear Flag Pattern in your automated trading strategy, you can identify the pattern on the cleo.finance chart and use the pattern's lines as your automated entry and exit conditions, along with your stop losses and take profits. Then automate it.






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June 21, 2023, 03:39:28 PM
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Yeah but in my opinion, some patterns need other indicators that support them sometimes it fails to use only pattern, especially in a lower timeframe you also don't want an ending like this image below.



trade is crazy tho  Grin anyway good information Smiley

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June 21, 2023, 04:10:59 PM
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I am not sure if I will ever understand the seriousness of trading view and technical analysis but for the hardcore trader and new comer this article is just great help. Just lovely how you have extracted detailed info about it. I think I have seen some other thread in similar ways, may be it was you only and the cleo Website.

I don’t really believe in TA to the fullest. The pattern you shown, how is it based on and what are the “chances” that it will bounce back at particular period of time as shown in the trading charts above?

Let us say I learn the TA to fullest of my knowledge. How do you concur about the events repeating themselves so keenly?  Consider me curious and naive in TA.
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June 22, 2023, 02:14:47 PM
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Yeah but in my opinion, some patterns need other indicators that support them sometimes it fails to use only pattern, especially in a lower timeframe you also don't want an ending like this image below.



trade is crazy tho  Grin anyway good information Smiley

Thanks!

Precisely, the thing is using chart patterns alone won't give you the best result for predicting market moves. That is why it is always advisable to use chart patterns in conjunction with other technical indicator for the best results. We can think of chart patterns as some kind of essential piece of a trader's toolkit.

For the picture, I would say that, it is a flag pattern because flag patterns are very short consolidations with a flag a pole (the sharp price drop right before the pattern forms) and it works best on 4h, 1H and Daily.  Flag patterns are one of the most frequent chart patterns that form and they need to be watched carefully and always should be looked for confirming factors, such as volume and other technical indicators
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June 22, 2023, 02:27:16 PM
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I am not sure if I will ever understand the seriousness of trading view and technical analysis but for the hardcore trader and new comer this article is just great help. Just lovely how you have extracted detailed info about it. I think I have seen some other thread in similar ways, may be it was you only and the cleo Website.

I don’t really believe in TA to the fullest. The pattern you shown, how is it based on and what are the “chances” that it will bounce back at particular period of time as shown in the trading charts above?

Let us say I learn the TA to fullest of my knowledge. How do you concur about the events repeating themselves so keenly?  Consider me curious and naive in TA.

I appreciate the positive comment, thanks.

Every trader understands that it's impossible to predict market moves with 100% certainty. However, using technical indicators can help us make better decisions. These indicators and patterns give us clues about how buyers and sellers behave in the market. For instance, with a bear flag, when prices consolidate and volume is low, it means neither buyers nor sellers have control. But when there's a breakout, it suggests that sellers are gaining momentum again, giving us an idea of how to position ourselves.

The concept of events repeating themselves in the market is often attributed to the belief that human psychology plays a role in shaping market dynamics. Market participants tend to exhibit similar patterns of behavior when faced with similar market conditions, leading to the repetition of certain patterns over time.

You can also check out the Bulkowski statistics here about flag patterns, in terms of breakout, throwback, etc stats. He has one of the most extensive research and tests on chart pattern and where he shared all the stats he got. https://thepatternsite.com/flags.html
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I appreciate the positive comment, thanks.

Every trader understands that it's impossible to predict market moves with 100% certainty. However, using technical indicators can help us make better decisions. These indicators and patterns give us clues about how buyers and sellers behave in the market. For instance, with a bear flag, when prices consolidate and volume is low, it means neither buyers nor sellers have control. But when there's a breakout, it suggests that sellers are gaining momentum again, giving us an idea of how to position ourselves.


I also like to say briefly that when there is breakouts , it also depends on the strategy of the trader or type of trader. Like if a trader is a daily trader, he should be careful of the breakout and not be carried away because at every breakout there is correction and such correction may take time to continue the breakout position. Some traders like swingers or daily trader may feel no reversal after the breakout and they may be caught on the web of correction if they don't use stop loss. Breakout only means a directional position but not that it may not change from time to time within the moment.
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Good info. It is nice and clean. I have saved the article and the other ones. Your blog seems pretty cool! About the bear flag pattern, the diminishing volume during the formation is a must?   
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Yeah but in my opinion, some patterns need other indicators that support them sometimes it fails to use only pattern, especially in a lower timeframe you also don't want an ending like this image below.
Many times, the market moves oppositely to what it should move based on patterns which are used by most of market participants. If the market moves exactly like what most of us think, most of us will be rich. Many years, in all markets, most of people lose money and only very intelligent investors, traders get richer.

Don't trust patterns and indicators which are set up by Market Makers to help them richer and make us poorer. Focus on fundamentals and have a wide overview, long term plan are better.

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June 28, 2023, 08:41:32 AM
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It should be understood that any strategy has a time of use and relevance. And sometimes it is extremely difficult to choose the right moment. It is better to try your hand at a demo account first, as an option.

I like the fact that people are developing new strategies to help boost their trading experience with the use of different patterns base on their research work on the effective use of alternatives to trading indications used over time, one can use many approach just to arrived on same accurate result for trading purpose and we just have to certainly create a trial for the use of the new one from the existing ones for more successful result while tracking on price speculations.

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June 28, 2023, 09:30:42 AM
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I appreciate the positive comment, thanks.

Every trader understands that it's impossible to predict market moves with 100% certainty. However, using technical indicators can help us make better decisions. These indicators and patterns give us clues about how buyers and sellers behave in the market. For instance, with a bear flag, when prices consolidate and volume is low, it means neither buyers nor sellers have control. But when there's a breakout, it suggests that sellers are gaining momentum again, giving us an idea of how to position ourselves.


I also like to say briefly that when there is breakouts , it also depends on the strategy of the trader or type of trader. Like if a trader is a daily trader, he should be careful of the breakout and not be carried away because at every breakout there is correction and such correction may take time to continue the breakout position. Some traders like swingers or daily trader may feel no reversal after the breakout and they may be caught on the web of correction if they don't use stop loss. Breakout only means a directional position but not that it may not change from time to time within the moment.
Personally I like trading the breakout of a Flag pole however I prefer price retouching or pullback to the outer line of the flag pole and watch out for Price Action for possible price continuation something like exhaustion on a bullish or bearish candle that touched the line before pulling the trigger for a possible long or Short order with reference to the 1 hour or 2 hour timeframe definitely anot daily timeframe which I believe trading it breakout will lead to a massive drawdown if the price undergoes correction, however multi timeframe analysis is also very helpful to determine the trend of the market.

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Good post but, we aint getting the timeframe we should currently be looking for this BEAR FLAG pattern. as much as i know this pattern dont usually comes up in the lower TF on like the higher TF. like the 1hr, 2hr, 3hr, 4hr down to the daily. And one thing i noticed this current year people talk more of SMC, ICT than patterns, as at 2018 i started with patterns.

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Good post but, we aint getting the timeframe we should currently be looking for this BEAR FLAG pattern. as much as i know this pattern dont usually comes up in the lower TF on like the higher TF. like the 1hr, 2hr, 3hr, 4hr down to the daily. And one thing i noticed this current year people talk more of SMC, ICT than patterns, as at 2018 i started with patterns.

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It can happened on any timeframe including long time frame. Probably you are just looking on specific coin that doesn’t behave a steady movement in long term but you can see it if you browse on other tokens/coin. It’s normally being notice on short timeframe since there’s a lot of price action on short timeframe compared to long timeframe.

Patterns is still being use to get an overview on what’s gonna happened next. Indicators is just popular nowadays since it can provide a data that easy to analyze for signals compared on finding a pattern on candles and wait for the next candle to establish to confiremd the next movement of the price.

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June 28, 2023, 12:31:46 PM
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About the bear flag pattern, the diminishing volume during the formation is a must?   
No, it isn't. However, in order to maximize your chances of winning the trade, you must use the volume indicator as your confluence. Some individuals use numerous indicators such as EMA and RSI in addition with a bear flag pattern. The more confluences the higher the probability. If you see a bear flag, you can utilize the EMA as dynamic resistance and the RSI for divergence. If you find these all in the chart, it raises your chances of winning the trade.
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About the bear flag pattern, the diminishing volume during the formation is a must?   
No, it isn't. However, in order to maximize your chances of winning the trade, you must use the volume indicator as your confluence. Some individuals use numerous indicators such as EMA and RSI in addition with a bear flag pattern. The more confluences the higher the probability. If you see a bear flag, you can utilize the EMA as dynamic resistance and the RSI for divergence. If you find these all in the chart, it raises your chances of winning the trade.

Hmm, everyone has his own preference, Moving Average seems to be more attractive for those only who are jumping in the market for the long run as whales, and patient holders as well, wining a trade is not at all granted a bit with any sort of pattern because as for particularly the condition in the market, we are facing its completely based on the developments related the market. Keep close eyes on the developments to win the trade with your analysis.

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Personally I like trading the breakout of a Flag pole however I prefer price retouching or pullback to the outer line of the flag pole and watch out for Price Action for possible price continuation something like exhaustion on a bullish or bearish candle that touched the line before pulling the trigger for a possible long or Short order with reference to the 1 hour or 2 hour timeframe definitely anot daily timeframe which I believe trading it breakout will lead to a massive drawdown if the price undergoes correction, however multi timeframe analysis is also very helpful to determine the trend of the market.

To this end I think scalpers may not have too much to do here with exhaustion, you are definitely waiting for correction and multi timeframe is useful to determine this position but I don't like to go for scalping because it is rather slow not to be caught up by retracement.. Although sometimes depending on the timeframe that this exhaustion is severe, it may change market direction especially with higher timeframe like daily above.
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Personally I like trading the breakout of a Flag pole however I prefer price retouching or pullback to the outer line of the flag pole and watch out for Price Action for possible price continuation something like exhaustion on a bullish or bearish candle that touched the line before pulling the trigger for a possible long or Short order with reference to the 1 hour or 2 hour timeframe definitely anot daily timeframe which I believe trading it breakout will lead to a massive drawdown if the price undergoes correction, however multi timeframe analysis is also very helpful to determine the trend of the market.

To this end I think scalpers may not have too much to do here with exhaustion, you are definitely waiting for correction and multi timeframe is useful to determine this position but I don't like to go for scalping because it is rather slow not to be caught up by retracement.. Although sometimes depending on the timeframe that this exhaustion is severe, it may change market direction especially with higher timeframe like daily above.
When you do consider you out on doing scalping then everything would really be on fastrack or would really be into that fast pacing when it comes on buying and selling or simply actively been facing up with that

volatility which is something that not all would able to pull on because i could really say that scalping is really indeed hardest thing to be done when you do make out trades. You would really be finding these

technical indicators to be that your main friend when it comes to this. The difference on here is that you wouldn't really be sticking on higher time frame on which you would be mainly focusing on smaller ones.
I have tested out on doing scalping and it turns out that it isnt really something that it is really for me. It is really that hard once you do step your foot into the market.
Lots of indicators which you might really be needing but since we do know that trading isnt an assured thing no matter how well you do make TA's then its up to you on how you would gonna handle yourself.

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Yeah but in my opinion, some patterns need other indicators that support them sometimes it fails to use only pattern, especially in a lower timeframe you also don't want an ending like this image below.
Many times, the market moves oppositely to what it should move based on patterns which are used by most of market participants. If the market moves exactly like what most of us think, most of us will be rich. Many years, in all markets, most of people lose money and only very intelligent investors, traders get richer.

Don't trust patterns and indicators which are set up by Market Makers to help them richer and make us poorer. Focus on fundamentals and have a wide overview, long term plan are better.
The same thing when I play gambling and I'm expecting to win, I will only lose but by the time I play randomly and I forgot to think about winning a profit, I can win smoothly lol, why is that? But did you get what I am thinking? Maybe we should start thinking the opposite from now on when we trade and play gambling.

Let's see if we will make a profit this time. You said to focus on the fundamentals. Really? But I think many traders are focusing on technical too much and I still believe not many are losing because they are also wise and they don't just rely on others' pattern or signals. Another thing about relying on our own, is that we can avoid blaming other's in case we lose.

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A quick tip using this bear flag pattern is before you enter the trade, you must also consider the other timeframe because sometimes, it is bullish or bearish (it's not aligned on your current timeframe)
By doing this, you can decide a better entry, stop loss and take profit price.

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Bear flags is just a confirmation of bear trend and nothing much to it. A newbie may find it a little bit confused if not explained in simple terms. Watch the trend if you can use longer time, confirm lower minutes and go in if it suits you then within minutes you are already in profit that shows you are right with the trend. It is not a rocket science that if you enter a wrong trend then you will come out in loss.
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A quick tip using this bear flag pattern is before you enter the trade, you must also consider the other timeframe because sometimes, it is bullish or bearish (it's not aligned on your current timeframe)
By doing this, you can decide a better entry, stop loss and take profit price.

that is true, sometimes it depends on the time frame that you are looking at. because the bear or bull season has no defined timeline, it depends on where you referenced your time frame to another one.
and do remember, every project has their own timelines and so what do you call the bear and bull season. it is relative to the market they have.
as much as possible, check the whole market performance of the project, so you know what kind of season you are entering with respect to their overall market.

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I think it's safe to state that the trading game has evolved over the years and today we don't trade patterns or trend lines alone...you need to bundle this with extra confluence! Of course we have a few people that have mastered on how best to use these but the best winning chance is to have to use extra tools.

And looking at the bearish flag given, if I applied some ICT concepts or smart money concepts to this, we can see that price came up for that displacement or price inefficiency called "fair value gap" which signaled we had an unmitigated area and price was expected to get here and reverse which it did for a 1:3 risk to reward

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A quick tip using this bear flag pattern is before you enter the trade, you must also consider the other timeframe because sometimes, it is bullish or bearish (it's not aligned on your current timeframe)
By doing this, you can decide a better entry, stop loss and take profit price.

that is true, sometimes it depends on the time frame that you are looking at. because the bear or bull season has no defined timeline, it depends on where you referenced your time frame to another one.
and do remember, every project has their own timelines and so what do you call the bear and bull season. it is relative to the market they have.
as much as possible, check the whole market performance of the project, so you know what kind of season you are entering with respect to their overall market.
easily in my opinion by paying attention to the trend line that is happening, as shown in the picture, the trend line that is formed becomes a support defense area and if it is broken then it is likely that the price will run down, so we can look for areas to sell it especially if a correction occurs price. a technique like this is very logical to use, considering that the price reasonableness limit has been broken so that it will affect most traders to think the same way, namely to sell, you can realize that most people suggest following the direction of the trend that is happening, considering that at that time most traders had thoughts the same one

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Quote from: palle11
Bear flags is just a confirmation of bear trend and nothing much to it. A newbie may find it a little bit confused if not explained in simple terms. Watch the trend if you can use longer time, confirm lower minutes and go in if it suits you then within minutes you are already in profit that shows you are right with the trend. It is not a rocket science that if you enter a wrong trend then you will come out in loss.

I agree with you, many newbies will not get it right in a way they will be able to flow with the bear flag because some of them are new to the bear flag which they will be seeing bear flag in the market but they will not know it is time to buy and hold for a better future. When the price is low to your satisfaction in the market is the best time to buy coins and hold which is the best strategy many potential traders are using to monitor the market price every night and day to ensure they didn't miss their weekly, monthly and yearly profits. If you don't believe in the bear flag, I think the forum is another place you can use to monitor the market price to trade because every single move of the price of the crypto in the market the information will be spread in the forum.

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I think it's safe to state that the trading game has evolved over the years and today we don't trade patterns or trend lines alone...you need to bundle this with extra confluence! Of course we have a few people that have mastered on how best to use these but the best winning chance is to have to use extra tools.

And looking at the bearish flag given, if I applied some ICT concepts or smart money concepts to this, we can see that price came up for that displacement or price inefficiency called "fair value gap" which signaled we had an unmitigated area and price was expected to get here and reverse which it did for a 1:3 risk to reward

This is a must now, I am sure that the most advanced bots out there which are trading the markets have all of those patterns on their code, but instead of going with them they decide to go against it to trap a lot of people that are still using similar trading methods.

Then those people are forced to sell and then the bots may finally allow for the market to take its natural course, so newbies need to be incredibly careful when trading patterns like this as we cannot hope they are as effective as they were decades ago.

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I think it's safe to state that the trading game has evolved over the years and today we don't trade patterns or trend lines alone...you need to bundle this with extra confluence! Of course we have a few people that have mastered on how best to use these but the best winning chance is to have to use extra tools.

And looking at the bearish flag given, if I applied some ICT concepts or smart money concepts to this, we can see that price came up for that displacement or price inefficiency called "fair value gap" which signaled we had an unmitigated area and price was expected to get here and reverse which it did for a 1:3 risk to reward

This is a must now, I am sure that the most advanced bots out there which are trading the markets have all of those patterns on their code, but instead of going with them they decide to go against it to trap a lot of people that are still using similar trading methods.

Then those people are forced to sell and then the bots may finally allow for the market to take its natural course, so newbies need to be incredibly careful when trading patterns like this as we cannot hope they are as effective as they were decades ago.
These stereotypical strategies won't work anymore cause the traders are evolving with the help of technology so the opportunities are shrinking. The most easiest way is we can expect a green candle after a big red candle that is still preferred by many day traders and believing they can make money with this simple strategy. Well, it's true but not 100% accurate which means the remaining 20% plays a huge role so we need to be careful and build complex strategies to minimise the risks.









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A Bear Flag pattern is a chart pattern used in technical analysis to identify potential bearish trends in the market. I can always identify the pattern in a chart by looking for the sharp and steep downtrend (the flagpole) followed by a period of consolidation usually characterized by a parallel channel or flag shape. One of my favorite patterns I used in trading the crypto-market hardly results in losses if one uses it well.

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Then those people are forced to sell and then the bots may finally allow for the market to take its natural course, so newbies need to be incredibly careful when trading patterns like this as we cannot hope they are as effective as they were decades ago.

Flags are not to be traded alone for better result. I see flagpole as a signal to enter the market but that should not mean to jump in without checking out other indicators. So it is wiser to recheck on other indicators but as for market moving in a probable wrong way, it is happens sometimes and that is to take out stop losses first before taking the right direction. Bots are also configured to function that way but it is not as accurate as manual.
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These stereotypical strategies won't work anymore cause the traders are evolving with the help of technology so the opportunities are shrinking.
Evolving with the help of technology,  I don't follow..elaborate!

And just so you know, today we have more people winning  when it comes to the trading game as compared to a few years back were everyone relied on moving averages, trend lines and the alike...

The most easiest way is we can expect a green candle after a big red candle that is still preferred by many day traders and believing they can make money with this simple strategy. Well, it's true but not 100% accurate which means the remaining 20% plays a huge role so we need to be careful and build complex strategies to minimise the risks.
Trading the Green candle after a red candle and you say it's the preferred strategy by day traders in this day and age Huh No ways mate, clearly this is gambling!!!
How many times are you going to get false signals before catching the real move based on this strategy? I guess several false signals and I would advice anyone doing this to stop immediately !!

Btw trading shouldn't be hard or complex, if you trade it in a mechanical way and a trade meets all requirements before placing that pending order then the art of trading  is mastered!

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I am trying to learn how to trade with chart patterns myself too...

What I found based on backtesting flag patterns is that they also fail a lot. However, I did manage to get better results by adding some more rules to my strategy like these candlestick patterns - https://www.morpher.com/blog/candlestick-patterns/ - for entry signals. It proved to work much better than I expected.

Also consider other indicators or patterns for extra confirmation to avoid false signals. Understanding all the patterns is definitely not easy, I am still trying to understand how harmonic patterns - https://www.litefinance.org/blog/for-beginners/harmonic-patterns/ - work but it's a bit complicated. I'd say candlestick ones are much more suitable to start with.
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Bear market trend was used by the experienced traders to earn more money from it.Many traders know the fact,bear market is suitable one to buy the good coins at cheap prices.So use the opportunity in the trading to earn more money.The bear market flag pattern can be found using the previous chart history of that coin.After creating a strategy use the money to earn good profit after the rise in value.When you get loss,use that pattern to hold the coin to avoid of loss again in future.Because the pattern is repeated one in future trading.

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