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[acroman08]

OP, I think you are starting on the wrong note. ...

Nevertheless, you have a question pending answers as to why your white paper was a product of plagiarism here;
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5457233.msg62446152#msg62446152

Creating multiple threads and bypassing important issues like whitepaper plagiarism just make us question the character of the developer of this platform he should check every post on his thread and address every issue that comes along so he can't establish his reputation and presence here especially the plagiarism issue because it's a serious offense.

the fact that he deleted the content on the thread he first created here(when I mentioned the plagiarism on their terms and conditions) instead of addressing the "mistake"(before it was moved to the altcoin board) is concerning. no offense to the OP but I don't think I could trust a casino that does that. that being said, good luck with their casino.

[CryptSafe]

OP, I think you are starting on the wrong note. ...

Nevertheless, you have a question pending answers as to why your white paper was a product of plagiarism here;
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5457233.msg62446152#msg62446152

Creating multiple threads and bypassing important issues like whitepaper plagiarism just make us question the character of the developer of this platform he should check every post on his thread and address every issue that comes along so he can't establish his reputation and presence here especially the plagiarism issue because it's a serious offense.

the fact that he deleted the content on the thread he first created here(when I mentioned the plagiarism on their terms and conditions) instead of addressing the "mistake"(before it was moved to the altcoin board) is concerning. no offense to the OP but I don't think I could trust a casino that does that. that being said, good luck with their casino.

It is totally wrong and unacceptable such acts from the casino. They should have had a team to do review on the sites and vital important information on the website should have been cross checked before full running of the website. The developer too should be be ashamed of what they have done by plagiarising other casinos white paper when they should have been able to formulate theirs in line with their casino operations but it is unfortunate that they could act so childish copying from another casino. Does the developer knows the gravity of the crime he or he has committed.
I think the professionalism of the developer should be questioned.

[goaldigger]

OP, I think you are starting on the wrong note. ...

Nevertheless, you have a question pending answers as to why your white paper was a product of plagiarism here;
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5457233.msg62446152#msg62446152

Creating multiple threads and bypassing important issues like whitepaper plagiarism just make us question the character of the developer of this platform he should check every post on his thread and address every issue that comes along so he can't establish his reputation and presence here especially the plagiarism issue because it's a serious offense.

the fact that he deleted the content on the thread he first created here(when I mentioned the plagiarism on their terms and conditions) instead of addressing the "mistake"(before it was moved to the altcoin board) is concerning. no offense to the OP but I don't think I could trust a casino that does that. that being said, good luck with their casino.

Nice work mate, the site looks good but if you miss to read other details about this site, then you might fall to this.
OP have to clear this and his connection to the site, if this is a legit gambling site then they should be more professional when it comes to creating their own Whitepaper and the whole goal for this site. Does any one here able to play with the site already?

[suzanne5223]

For you to experience us:

$2.5 = 250 coin balance for first 50 registrations

*  min withdraw: $5 = 500 coins . ( If you want, you can withdraw when you reach the minimum amount. )
*  no wager requirements
*  Just register with your '@gmail.com' e-mail address. because we have a system to audit multiple accounts.
*  Balance will be transferred when the number participants is reached.

I can see you join this forum last year and I think you should have known how things work here instead of you ignoring all the advice given to you by the high-ranked member of this forum in other to get the needed traffic to your ecosystem.
I will advise you to create a marketable announcement or else most of the gamblers of this forum won't see you or the casino you represent as a movement that's serious about the service it provided.

Hello , I'm listening to everyone. Thank you very much for all the suggestions. I will fix all the problems one by one and I apologize for everything.

Glad you're to know that you're working on all the advice provided by the member of this forum and there's no need for you to apologize.
Having said that, it will be nice if you also give your website a little touch and also add some games in other to get some traction

[givemetroncom]

Hello ,

Our first 50 registration events have ended.

$2.5 transferred to 50 accounts.
*no deposit or wager requirements
*You can withdraw when the minimum withdraw limit reaches $5.


enjoy!

thanks for participating

[aylabadia05]

Hello , yes we made a big mistake. we purchased a service to create terms. We proceeded in a question-and-answer format with the person helping to create. but , he copied from someone else. and when we published it on the site, we checked it in detail and removed it instantly. all happened in 2-5 minutes. Of course it's our mistake and  we instantly created one ourselves and updated it.

Attracting people's interest isn't this kind of method.
If you get a response like the one that has appeared in this thread, then many members will judge that this service is not serious so that it will reduce interest in playing on the platform that you are promoting.
I would normally visit websites that just popped up here, but since it's been like this, I no longer plan to open any.

Good luck.

[CryptSafe]

Hello , yes we made a big mistake. we purchased a service to create terms. We proceeded in a question-and-answer format with the person helping to create. but , he copied from someone else. and when we published it on the site, we checked it in detail and removed it instantly. all happened in 2-5 minutes. Of course it's our mistake and  we instantly created one ourselves and updated it.

Attracting people's interest isn't this kind of method.
If you get a response like the one that has appeared in this thread, then many members will judge that this service is not serious so that it will reduce interest in playing on the platform that you are promoting.
I would normally visit websites that just popped up here, but since it's been like this, I no longer plan to open any.

Good luck.

They really are not serious in rendering services. There are lots of pending questions yet to be answered by this casino. If you look at my previous posts, you would see lots of accusations against them which are factual and here OP is ignoring and keeping silent over it. Coming to tell us that their first 50 registration bonus has ended and would be transferring $2.5 to them. Do they see us as kids to ride on our intelligence?

I do not think this is a good strategy for promoting their casino as they have messed up the process and it would be very difficult for anyone here to have anything to do with them.

[TimeTeller]

Hello , yes we made a big mistake. we purchased a service to create terms. We proceeded in a question-and-answer format with the person helping to create. but , he copied from someone else. and when we published it on the site, we checked it in detail and removed it instantly. all happened in 2-5 minutes. Of course it's our mistake and  we instantly created one ourselves and updated it.

Attracting people's interest isn't this kind of method.
If you get a response like the one that has appeared in this thread, then many members will judge that this service is not serious so that it will reduce interest in playing on the platform that you are promoting.
I would normally visit websites that just popped up here, but since it's been like this, I no longer plan to open any.

Good luck.

They really are not serious in rendering services. There are lots of pending questions yet to be answered by this casino. If you look at my previous posts, you would see lots of accusations against them which are factual and here OP is ignoring and keeping silent over it. Coming to tell us that their first 50 registration bonus has ended and would be transferring $2.5 to them. Do they see us as kids to ride on our intelligence?

I do not think this is a good strategy for promoting their casino as they have messed up the process and it would be very difficult for anyone here to have anything to do with them.

If they are aiming for longer lifespan of their site, they will answer each and every question in a satisfactory manner.
Because if they will just ignore some important queries, I don't think they will survive long in this business.
A lot of these players will just move on and not use their site if they are not very transparent with things.
But as said above, they said they will fix thing one by one, maybe prioritize the vital aspects of the site first.
So let's give them the benefit of the doubt, too early to judge how they will handle their site and improve their services.

[givemetroncom]

If they are aiming for longer lifespan of their site, they will answer each and every question in a satisfactory manner.
Because if they will just ignore some important queries, I don't think they will survive long in this business.
A lot of these players will just move on and not use their site if they are not very transparent with things.
But as said above, they said they will fix thing one by one, maybe prioritize the vital aspects of the site first.
So let's give them the benefit of the doubt, too early to judge how they will handle their site and improve their services.

Hello ,
I already answered the questions. I said the mistake we made about "terms".
The first 50 register bonus was before and if this event has ended I must announce it.
I didn't do anything bad. everything is transparent.
I trust this community, but they acting like there's a huge problem.
I know the beginning is not good. I am aware of everything. I'm not stupid.
I've never had any user issues in any of my projects. our games are provably fair . It's your decision to try.

[CryptSafe]

If they are aiming for longer lifespan of their site, they will answer each and every question in a satisfactory manner.
Because if they will just ignore some important queries, I don't think they will survive long in this business.
A lot of these players will just move on and not use their site if they are not very transparent with things.
But as said above, they said they will fix thing one by one, maybe prioritize the vital aspects of the site first.
So let's give them the benefit of the doubt, too early to judge how they will handle their site and improve their services.

Hello ,
I already answered the questions. I said the mistake we made about "terms".
The first 50 register bonus was before and if this event has ended I must announce it.
I didn't do anything bad. everything is transparent.
I trust this community, but they acting like there's a huge problem.
I know the beginning is not good. I am aware of everything. I'm not stupid.
I've never had any user issues in any of my projects. our games are provably fair . It's your decision to try.

OP, in as much as we all are here trying to making sure things are done properly, it is still for our own good but I will let you know that there are still some actions that would be taken that would call for proper scrutinizing. I began to have doubt in your casino from the onset you deleted the first thread you created on this platform which has the same content as this thread you created. And my question is this after you had got serious questions to answer on that thread which should have given you more solutions to moving your casino forward to rendering good Services, why did you delete the content of that thread you created?  Why creating another thread again with same content. Would it not have been ok you moved it down here if you claim that was the wrong board.

[givemetroncom]

If they are aiming for longer lifespan of their site, they will answer each and every question in a satisfactory manner.
Because if they will just ignore some important queries, I don't think they will survive long in this business.
A lot of these players will just move on and not use their site if they are not very transparent with things.
But as said above, they said they will fix thing one by one, maybe prioritize the vital aspects of the site first.
So let's give them the benefit of the doubt, too early to judge how they will handle their site and improve their services.

Hello ,
I already answered the questions. I said the mistake we made about "terms".
The first 50 register bonus was before and if this event has ended I must announce it.
I didn't do anything bad. everything is transparent.
I trust this community, but they acting like there's a huge problem.
I know the beginning is not good. I am aware of everything. I'm not stupid.
I've never had any user issues in any of my projects. our games are provably fair . It's your decision to try.

OP, in as much as we all are here trying to making sure things are done properly, it is still for our own good but I will let you know that there are still some actions that would be taken that would call for proper scrutinizing. I began to have doubt in your casino from the onset you deleted the first thread you created on this platform which has the same content as this thread you created. And my question is this after you had got serious questions to answer on that thread which should have given you more solutions to moving your casino forward to rendering good Services, why did you delete the content of that thread you created?  Why creating another thread again with same content. Would it not have been ok you moved it down here if you claim that was the wrong board.

Hello ,
yes , moved to another category because our don't use bitcoin. then we added bitcoin. We published the same topic in the category of gambling again.
because we added bitcoin.
again, our topic was moved to another category and we contacted the moderator and proved that we added bitcoin.
I don't use bitcointalk a lot so I don't know everything.  they can go to the past topic already on my profile.

[husseinhere]

Congratulations on the launch. Unfortunately your provably fair system isn't actually provably fair. In fact, it's not even provably pre-determined


Firstly, never use md5, it's been fully obsoleted for almost 15 years. You're already using sha256, so just stick to that. No need to mix in anything different.  But the way you use it is very strange, you md5 the ROUND_CREATED ... for no purpose. And then don't md5 the ROUND_ENDED.  You could actually just remove md5 with no functional difference.


But your fatal flaw is you have control of three variables SECRET, ROUND_CREATED and ROUND_ENDED. There's no way to validate that these values are picked fairly.  The ROUND_ENDED is particularly insidious, because it would allow you to trivially cheat (i.e. make the round end 1 second later/earlier to prevent someone winning big).


If you are interested, I'm happy to help you integrate a best-in-class provably fair system and give you some demo code. I run https://provablyhonest.com/  and your roulette use case is well supported. Basically you'd use a hash-chain exactly like this: https://github.com/provablyhonest/vx-demo/blob/master/crash.ts#L75  and I'd make a custom roulette game type for you (which the outcome could be simply  `vx_signature % 15` ). Anyway, if you're interested I'm happy to help.  (And besides creating a robust provably fair system, my scheme would also help provide additional security guarantees)

[aliveNFT]

Hey there, and welcome to Bitcointalk
There is nothing to add. The site is simple, without any sophistication and fancy design. I didn't understand that you don't have contacts anywhere, or I didn't find them.
Suddenly there will be problems with the deposit or withdrawal; where to contact?

[givemetroncom]

Congratulations on the launch. Unfortunately your provably fair system isn't actually provably fair. In fact, it's not even provably pre-determined


Firstly, never use md5, it's been fully obsoleted for almost 15 years. You're already using sha256, so just stick to that. No need to mix in anything different.  But the way you use it is very strange, you md5 the ROUND_CREATED ... for no purpose. And then don't md5 the ROUND_ENDED.  You could actually just remove md5 with no functional difference.


But your fatal flaw is you have control of three variables SECRET, ROUND_CREATED and ROUND_ENDED. There's no way to validate that these values are picked fairly.  The ROUND_ENDED is particularly insidious, because it would allow you to trivially cheat (i.e. make the round end 1 second later/earlier to prevent someone winning big).


If you are interested, I'm happy to help you integrate a best-in-class provably fair system and give you some demo code. I run https://provablyhonest.com/  and your roulette use case is well supported. Basically you'd use a hash-chain exactly like this: https://github.com/provablyhonest/vx-demo/blob/master/crash.ts#L75  and I'd make a custom roulette game type for you (which the outcome could be simply  `vx_signature % 15` ). Anyway, if you're interested I'm happy to help.  (And besides creating a robust provably fair system, my scheme would also help provide additional security guarantees)

We cannot interfere with the outcome of the round. the results are instantaneous - we can't see it ahead of time.
what you say makes no sense. I don't understand  ,  Why should we make the result 1 second early or late?
https://replit.com/@steampoweredgj/RosybrownIntrepidDebugger
You can verify here. our porvably system.
it's stupid to do something the user will notice. because we will certainly give this result.

Hey there, and welcome to Bitcointalk
There is nothing to add. The site is simple, without any sophistication and fancy design. I didn't understand that you don't have contacts anywhere, or I didn't find them.
Suddenly there will be problems with the deposit or withdrawal; where to contact?

you can write to global chat and we will solve it instantly. msg are never deleted in global chat, they are always read.  we will open our community channel soon

[husseinhere]

what you say makes no sense. I don't understand  ,  Why should we make the result 1 second early or late?

Let's use your provably fair demo:

Code:

const ROUND_CREATED = "6/20/2023, 10:31:12 PM";            // Timestamp when round was created.
const ROUND_HASH = md5(ROUND_CREATED);                     // MD5 of Timestamp.
const SECRET = "vo1Ee1o11CSv";                             // A 12-characters string randomly generated.
const ROUND_ENDED = "6/20/2023, 10:31:32 PM";              // Timestamp when round has ended.

const GEN_OUTCOME = hexdec(sha256(`${ROUND_HASH}-${SECRET}-${ROUND_ENDED}`).substr(0, 8)) % 15;

console.log("Outcome is", GEN_OUTCOME);

That prints:

Code:

Outcome is 2

But let's say the round ended 1 second earlier:  

Code:

const ROUND_ENDED = "6/20/2023, 10:31:31 PM";

it would print:

Code:

Outcome is 13

Because we have no way of verifying when the round should have ended, or started, there's no way to know if you have manipulated the result or not.  

A malicious site operator could easily cheat by picking secrets, start or end times to lead to what ever result they wanted. Therefor it's not provably fair.

[givemetroncom]

what you say makes no sense. I don't understand  ,  Why should we make the result 1 second early or late?

Let's use your provably fair demo:

Code:

const ROUND_CREATED = "6/20/2023, 10:31:12 PM";            // Timestamp when round was created.
const ROUND_HASH = md5(ROUND_CREATED);                     // MD5 of Timestamp.
const SECRET = "vo1Ee1o11CSv";                             // A 12-characters string randomly generated.
const ROUND_ENDED = "6/20/2023, 10:31:32 PM";              // Timestamp when round has ended.

const GEN_OUTCOME = hexdec(sha256(`${ROUND_HASH}-${SECRET}-${ROUND_ENDED}`).substr(0, 8)) % 15;

console.log("Outcome is", GEN_OUTCOME);

That prints:

Code:

Outcome is 2

But let's say the round ended 1 second earlier:  

Code:

const ROUND_ENDED = "6/20/2023, 10:31:31 PM";

it would print:

Code:

Outcome is 13

Because we have no way of verifying when the round should have ended, or started, there's no way to know if you have manipulated the result or not.  

A malicious site operator could easily cheat by picking secrets, start or end times to lead to what ever result they wanted. Therefor it's not provably fair.

round duration 30 seconds.  Look at the time of the previous round and add +30 seconds. simple.
If you check the provably fair section, the round is always finish every 30 seconds and the time is written.

here is the proof for you

last round: 10:43:11
when will the next round be over?
of course , 10:43:41


i think everything is fair

I mean, the user will notice it when they check it out.
Let's create a scenario from what you said

const ROUND_ENDED = "6/20/2023, 10:31:32 PM";              // Timestamp when round has ended.
That prints:

Code:

Outcome is 2

so the result is red.  

"6/20/2023, 10:31:23 PM" The user placed a bet before it drawn at this time. and think you're betting on black. and we don't know the result because time is not up. would actually lose the bet.

i interestingly drawn 1 second early or later.

Code:

const ROUND_ENDED = "6/20/2023, 10:31:31 PM";

it would print:

Code:

Outcome is 13

 > 13 - black
and the user won.
So I roll the dice without knowing the result. user won because of me.
and When you check it, it will ask why the round ended 1 second late or early.
So our system is fair.


I never know the result. why would i make it 1 second late or early.  If I knew the result 30 seconds ago, what you said is true.
I am confused

https://replit.com/@steampoweredgj/RosybrownIntrepidDebugger  You can verify the rounds with nodejs. just test and check everything.

[CrazyMMG]

what you say makes no sense. I don't understand  ,  Why should we make the result 1 second early or late?

Let's use your provably fair demo:

Code:

const ROUND_CREATED = "6/20/2023, 10:31:12 PM";            // Timestamp when round was created.
const ROUND_HASH = md5(ROUND_CREATED);                     // MD5 of Timestamp.
const SECRET = "vo1Ee1o11CSv";                             // A 12-characters string randomly generated.
const ROUND_ENDED = "6/20/2023, 10:31:32 PM";              // Timestamp when round has ended.

const GEN_OUTCOME = hexdec(sha256(`${ROUND_HASH}-${SECRET}-${ROUND_ENDED}`).substr(0, 8)) % 15;

console.log("Outcome is", GEN_OUTCOME);

That prints:

Code:

Outcome is 2

But let's say the round ended 1 second earlier:  

Code:

const ROUND_ENDED = "6/20/2023, 10:31:31 PM";

it would print:

Code:

Outcome is 13

Because we have no way of verifying when the round should have ended, or started, there's no way to know if you have manipulated the result or not.  

A malicious site operator could easily cheat by picking secrets, start or end times to lead to what ever result they wanted. Therefor it's not provably fair.

round duration 30 seconds.  Look at the time of the previous round and add +30 seconds. simple.
If you check the provably fair section, the round is always finish every 30 seconds and the time is written.

here is the proof for you

last round: 10:43:11
when will the next round be over?
of course , 10:43:41


i think everything is fair

I mean, the user will notice it when they check it out.
Let's create a scenario from what you said

const ROUND_ENDED = "6/20/2023, 10:31:32 PM";              // Timestamp when round has ended.
That prints:

Code:

Outcome is 2

so the result is red.  

"6/20/2023, 10:31:23 PM" The user placed a bet before it drawn at this time. and think you're betting on black. and we don't know the result because time is not up. would actually lose the bet.

i interestingly drawn 1 second early or later.

Code:

const ROUND_ENDED = "6/20/2023, 10:31:31 PM";

it would print:

Code:

Outcome is 13

 > 13 - black
and the user won.
So I roll the dice without knowing the result. user won because of me.
and When you check it, it will ask why the round ended 1 second late or early.
So our system is fair.


I never know the result. why would i make it 1 second late or early.  If I knew the result 30 seconds ago, what you said is true.
I am confused

https://replit.com/@steampoweredgj/RosybrownIntrepidDebugger  You can verify the rounds with nodejs. just test and check everything.

Hussein is right. The provably fair system on this site is completely obsolete, as the "Secret" string you are using for roulette can be cherrypicked once bets are placed - meaning the entire round result can be swayed in the house's favour if a large bet is placed on a certain spot. Taking a quick look at your Duels game mode, it also seems to have a faulty provably fair system.

Consider using a hash chain for your roulette, with the client seed being picked via seeding event, and using EOS block hashes for your Duels.

[husseinhere]

round duration 30 seconds.  Look at the time of the previous round and add +30 seconds. simple.
If you check the provably fair section, the round is always finish every 30 seconds and the time is written.

Ok, that's good. But you need to include that information in your provably fair section and verification. That way if the round duration is not 30 seconds, someone can tell the round is not fair.


But your system is still has issues. For instance now the "ROUND_CREATED" and "SECRET" are values created by you, and as soon as you create those values you know the game outcome, thus you grind it to pick what ever outcome you want.

The standard solution would be a simply hash chain, popularized by bustabit ( https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2807542.0 ) or more novel approach would be using https://provablyhonest.com/ 's hashchain which would be able to offer you some extra guarantees against software errors or compromises

[givemetroncom]

round duration 30 seconds.  Look at the time of the previous round and add +30 seconds. simple.
If you check the provably fair section, the round is always finish every 30 seconds and the time is written.

Ok, that's good. But you need to include that information in your provably fair section and verification. That way if the round duration is not 30 seconds, someone can tell the round is not fair.


But your system is still has issues. For instance now the "ROUND_CREATED" and "SECRET" are values created by you, and as soon as you create those values you know the game outcome, thus you grind it to pick what ever outcome you want.

The standard solution would be a simply hash chain, popularized by bustabit ( https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2807542.0 ) or more novel approach would be using https://provablyhonest.com/ 's hashchain which would be able to offer you some extra guarantees against software errors or compromises

I added this as an info.

[CryptSafe]

If they are aiming for longer lifespan of their site, they will answer each and every question in a satisfactory manner.
Because if they will just ignore some important queries, I don't think they will survive long in this business.
A lot of these players will just move on and not use their site if they are not very transparent with things.
But as said above, they said they will fix thing one by one, maybe prioritize the vital aspects of the site first.
So let's give them the benefit of the doubt, too early to judge how they will handle their site and improve their services.

Hello ,
I already answered the questions. I said the mistake we made about "terms".
The first 50 register bonus was before and if this event has ended I must announce it.
I didn't do anything bad. everything is transparent.
I trust this community, but they acting like there's a huge problem.
I know the beginning is not good. I am aware of everything. I'm not stupid.
I've never had any user issues in any of my projects. our games are provably fair . It's your decision to try.

OP, in as much as we all are here trying to making sure things are done properly, it is still for our own good but I will let you know that there are still some actions that would be taken that would call for proper scrutinizing. I began to have doubt in your casino from the onset you deleted the first thread you created on this platform which has the same content as this thread you created. And my question is this after you had got serious questions to answer on that thread which should have given you more solutions to moving your casino forward to rendering good Services, why did you delete the content of that thread you created?  Why creating another thread again with same content. Would it not have been ok you moved it down here if you claim that was the wrong board.

Hello ,
yes , moved to another category because our don't use bitcoin. then we added bitcoin. We published the same topic in the category of gambling again.
because we added bitcoin.
again, our topic was moved to another category and we contacted the moderator and proved that we added bitcoin.
I don't use bitcointalk a lot so I don't know everything.  they can go to the past topic already on my profile.

OP, this does not answer my question. You are beginning to make me be more curious and inquisitive about your casino.  I asked you pertinent questions and yet you are not coming forth with the answers to the question. Now here was your first thread with your casino advert which was the same content as this thread you created before it was moved and you deleted it (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5457233.msg62445249#msg62445249.)  Would it not have been better if you moved it back to this board instead of creating another thread for it with the same content or you were thinking about the exposure on that thread as a result of your lapses, that would have given you a good guide and stand here building your reputation but you choose to ignore these questions coming your way waiting for answers.