⚽ Premier League 2025/2026 Discussion Thread ⚽

[Lembo69]

I agree, this season really feels like one of Arsenal best chances to finally take the Premier League title.

Let’s see how Arsenal will perform this season, let’s see if they will be able to continue with their good performance till the season end. But we all know how Arsenal have been performing in Previous seasons, and I just think the same thing is about to repeat itself this season. Arsenal started the season well, but Manchester city are already behind Arsenal with just 4 points difference, Arsenal will have to be winning all their matches for now, if they make any slight mistake, Manchester city will take over Arsenal current position.

This season Arsenal really look strong and consistent compared to past years.They’ve started strong, with solid wins and fewer slip ups than previous seasons.They’re not just scoring goals but also defending more reliably than before.If they keep this consistency and avoid late season collapses, this could very well be their best shot at the title in years.

Yeah! No doubts consistency will always deliver to you it's result . All what Arsenal needs now is to hold unto the standards they've already set from the beginning of the season and definitely there will always be a positive result .
Not because they already have outstanding performances of playing 11 matches and then have about 26 goals then they will start relaxing and thinking that they have had it on. Its not easy what they have achieved so far in the season winning 8matches draw 2 and loose just one is a huge success but my candid advice they should keep pushing because Manchester City is not smiling at all

Arsenal's quality is good from the beginning and they are performing well, but they need to make some temporary changes, because Manchester City is making their team stronger. Since Arsenal is performing very well from the beginning, Manchester can change some of their quality and some players to be a stronger team in front of them, Arsenal's quality in this game is perfect and a strong team. They should go further and should not spoil their quality of play in any way. If they can maintain their quality of play like this, then they can almost struggle with other teams.

[Adbitco]

As long as Liverpool's new signings can't become solid, adapt well, and execute Arne Slot's tactics well, or as long as Arne Slot doesn't have a good tactic for Liverpool, it will be quite difficult for them to regain their top position. Liverpool's profile has been quite low so far. It remains to be seen how these players can improve their profile after this international break.

By the way, regarding Liverpool's new signings, I found a post with both pros and cons regarding new signings who have been deemed failures at the club this season, including Liverpool players.

Source: ESPN have named the worst deals of the summer transfer window for Premier League clubs

It's just funny how Alexander Isak is actually on top of this list considering the way he left Newcastle, for some weird reasons I think the Newcastle faithfuls will be happy at the turn of events even though their team isn't doing well also. At least they will have this sense of satisfaction that their team isn't doing well and also their main man who forced his way out isn't doing well as well. I'm just thinking.

[Iroh]

Isn't it early to list Alexander Isak as the worst player currently because in my view, the difficulty Liverpool is suffering right now isn't directly down to one or two players, the entire team is struggling. Alexander Isak is a striker that a team will rely on and expect much from, because he's one of the best strikers in the Premier League. He's sharp in scoring, but the problem is he joined Liverpool when they're not in their best form, and that's why he's yet to adapt to their pattern.

I don't think they're listing him as a bad player cause he's not. He's listed as a bad signing as hr hasn't been able to make some good difference since he was brought into the club. And seeing how much Liverpool had spent to bring him makes it all the more frustrating. It's no surprise that their supporters are expecting a great deal from the player.
Asides the amount of money used to bring him in, he is an exceptional player and that was shown during his time at Newcastle. And he already played in the premier league so the opinion of settling in is kinda not relevant. I know he alone can't make miracles as it's a team effort. I hope he gets in sync with his new team soon.

[icebar]

Isn't it early to list Alexander Isak as the worst player currently because in my view, the difficulty Liverpool is suffering right now isn't directly down to one or two players, the entire team is struggling. Alexander Isak is a striker that a team will rely on and expect much from, because he's one of the best strikers in the Premier League. He's sharp in scoring, but the problem is he joined Liverpool when they're not in their best form, and that's why he's yet to adapt to their pattern.

Two of Liverpool’s biggest transfers this year were Isak and Wirtz.
I don’t think they’ve been able to get any real productivity from either of them.
I already thought Wirtz was overrated, and I think that has proven to be true.(My opinion)
Isak isn’t much different from Wirtz in that sense.

Liverpool won’t be able to get full efficiency from these two players, because in my opinion the issue isn’t only with the team — the players themselves are also part of the problem.

Ekitike also joined this year, but unlike them, he has adapted very well and is contributing a lot to the team.

Without a doubt, Isak and Wirtz were Liverpool's best signings. Isak performed very well during his time at Newcastle. Liverpool were very optimistic about him. On the other hand, Wirtz is a future youngster. I don't think he is overrated. The reason for their failure may be that they are not able to adapt to the team. If they can adapt quickly, the team will be able to bring out their potential in the upcoming matches. If this happens, it will be good for Liverpool.

[Son Of Blockchain (SOB)]

As long as Liverpool's new signings can't become solid, adapt well, and execute Arne Slot's tactics well, or as long as Arne Slot doesn't have a good tactic for Liverpool, it will be quite difficult for them to regain their top position. Liverpool's profile has been quite low so far. It remains to be seen how these players can improve their profile after this international break.

By the way, regarding Liverpool's new signings, I found a post with both pros and cons regarding new signings who have been deemed failures at the club this season, including Liverpool players.

Source: ESPN have named the worst deals of the summer transfer window for Premier League clubs

It's just funny how Alexander Isak is actually on top of this list considering the way he left Newcastle, for some weird reasons I think the Newcastle faithfuls will be happy at the turn of events even though their team isn't doing well also. At least they will have this sense of satisfaction that their team isn't doing well and also their main man who forced his way out isn't doing well as well. I'm just thinking.

Their player is also on the list to so it's even, if they mock Isak then Liverpool fans would have to banter them too cause the striker they bought as Isak's replacement is also on the list. Although I'm really worried about Isak cause I want him to be great in the Epl and be one of the best striker Liverpool ever had, I believe he'll bounce back once the team is back to their full potential.
 Unfortunately almost all the players Liverpool signed this season are on that list and it's something to worry about based on the amount they were bought for, I keep wondering what went wrong cause all of them were doing better in their previous clubs but switched to Liverpool and suddenly became flops, is it that Liverpool isn't the right club they would've gone to or it's the general team performance that's affecting them, I really don't know what's going on with Liverpool summer signings cause they're supposed to make the team stronger.

[jaberwock]

the best option is to allow  kovacic to go the Manchester City where he has interest of playing than delaying him, because since he has developed interest in Manchester City keeping him will not yield any positive results to Chelsea because he might have lost totally the spirit of being a Chelsea player and will no longer be comfortable in Chelsea club ... untill he leaves to the club of his choice which is the Manchester City..

Plus, when you do not want a player anymore, you do not think that he will do better at rival team. So think about it, a guy who is not good enough to be my starter, is wanted by another team that is my rival? There are two possibilities, either there is something about that player that I did not see and they see and that is why there is a difference.

Or we are seeing some sort of situation where the rival team wants that player even though he is not great because they are forced to. Chelsea thought that Kovacic wasn't that great and City was just in dire need for lack of KDB and that is why they agreed, because they thought he wasn't good enough and that was the case, and we are not looking at it like it's possibility at all.

[Baki202]

I agree, this season really feels like one of Arsenal best chances to finally take the Premier League title.

Let’s see how Arsenal will perform this season, let’s see if they will be able to continue with their good performance till the season end. But we all know how Arsenal have been performing in Previous seasons, and I just think the same thing is about to repeat itself this season. Arsenal started the season well, but Manchester city are already behind Arsenal with just 4 points difference, Arsenal will have to be winning all their matches for now, if they make any slight mistake, Manchester city will take over Arsenal current position.

This season Arsenal really look strong and consistent compared to past years.They’ve started strong, with solid wins and fewer slip ups than previous seasons.They’re not just scoring goals but also defending more reliably than before.If they keep this consistency and avoid late season collapses, this could very well be their best shot at the title in years.

They look stronger, and they are truly showing consistent, and this is the mandate they have taken upon themselves this season, and they need to hold on seriously, because they might even lose their position very soon, and since the city is behind them, they need to work harder because, they hve a good shot this season and I won't be angry if arsenal should win the Premier League because they have been seriously struggling to win it and if they are not serious enough we are going to win it again, we are just some point behind them.

Most of the clubs that will give them issues they have played against, so they have all they need to win, because if Arteta does not win anything, they should sack him because he is their problem. After all, Arsenal doesn't have any excuse if they don't win, so they should do whatever it takes, even if I don't like them because of their incompetence.

[Donneski]

As long as Liverpool's new signings can't become solid, adapt well, and execute Arne Slot's tactics well, or as long as Arne Slot doesn't have a good tactic for Liverpool, it will be quite difficult for them to regain their top position. Liverpool's profile has been quite low so far. It remains to be seen how these players can improve their profile after this international break.

By the way, regarding Liverpool's new signings, I found a post with both pros and cons regarding new signings who have been deemed failures at the club this season, including Liverpool players.

Source: ESPN have named the worst deals of the summer transfer window for Premier League clubs

Arne Slot this season I don't think have given us the kind of performance that should make us think he has all it takes to revive Liverpool, make them formidable enough again to compete for the biggest trophies even with the intimidating number of quality players at his disposal and that's why I've maintained that the only way out for Liverpool is to part ways with the Dutchman, get another experienced manager that'll introduce a playing pattern that'll bring out the best from the team.
As for Alexander Isak's decline in form since he arrived Liverpool, it's not been a big surprise to me, he rightly deserve that position as the worst signing of the summer in the English Premier League because despite the huge amount the defending champions payed Newcastle to get him, he's yet to show any signs of repaying the club's fate in him

[Qhunman]

I agree, this season really feels like one of Arsenal best chances to finally take the Premier League title.

Let’s see how Arsenal will perform this season, let’s see if they will be able to continue with their good performance till the season end. But we all know how Arsenal have been performing in Previous seasons, and I just think the same thing is about to repeat itself this season. Arsenal started the season well, but Manchester city are already behind Arsenal with just 4 points difference, Arsenal will have to be winning all their matches for now, if they make any slight mistake, Manchester city will take over Arsenal current position.

This season Arsenal really look strong and consistent compared to past years.They’ve started strong, with solid wins and fewer slip ups than previous seasons.They’re not just scoring goals but also defending more reliably than before.If they keep this consistency and avoid late season collapses, this could very well be their best shot at the title in years.

Yeah! No doubts consistency will always deliver to you it's result . All what Arsenal needs now is to hold unto the standards they've already set from the beginning of the season and definitely there will always be a positive result .
Not because they already have outstanding performances of playing 11 matches and then have about 26 goals then they will start relaxing and thinking that they have had it on. Its not easy what they have achieved so far in the season winning 8matches draw 2 and loose just one is a huge success but my candid advice they should keep pushing because Manchester City is not smiling at all

Arsenal's quality is good from the beginning and they are performing well, but they need to make some temporary changes, because Manchester City is making their team stronger. Since Arsenal is performing very well from the beginning, Manchester can change some of their quality and some players to be a stronger team in front of them, Arsenal's quality in this game is perfect and a strong team. They should go further and should not spoil their quality of play in any way. If they can maintain their quality of play like this, then they can almost struggle with other teams.

What changes are you talking here, arsenal is in top Form and their doing just fine. Players are doing great,they understand each other's on the field,giving each top passes and coordinated assists. Arsenal team play is perfect, all they have to do is put more efforts. Manchester City aren't stronger than Arsenal though they have quality players like arsenal but this competition isn't about arsenal and Manchester although they both has fine players but fine players alone wouldn't win the premier League title but consistency will do.  With consistency,even the least popular team in the premier League can make it bigger and better.

[Tmoonz]

I agree, this season really feels like one of Arsenal best chances to finally take the Premier League title.

Let’s see how Arsenal will perform this season, let’s see if they will be able to continue with their good performance till the season end. But we all know how Arsenal have been performing in Previous seasons, and I just think the same thing is about to repeat itself this season. Arsenal started the season well, but Manchester city are already behind Arsenal with just 4 points difference, Arsenal will have to be winning all their matches for now, if they make any slight mistake, Manchester city will take over Arsenal current position.

This season Arsenal really look strong and consistent compared to past years.They’ve started strong, with solid wins and fewer slip ups than previous seasons.They’re not just scoring goals but also defending more reliably than before.If they keep this consistency and avoid late season collapses, this could very well be their best shot at the title in years.

Yeah! No doubts consistency will always deliver to you it's result . All what Arsenal needs now is to hold unto the standards they've already set from the beginning of the season and definitely there will always be a positive result .
Not because they already have outstanding performances of playing 11 matches and then have about 26 goals then they will start relaxing and thinking that they have had it on. Its not easy what they have achieved so far in the season winning 8matches draw 2 and loose just one is a huge success but my candid advice they should keep pushing because Manchester City is not smiling at all

Arsenal's quality is good from the beginning and they are performing well, but they need to make some temporary changes, because Manchester City is making their team stronger. Since Arsenal is performing very well from the beginning, Manchester can change some of their quality and some players to be a stronger team in front of them, Arsenal's quality in this game is perfect and a strong team. They should go further and should not spoil their quality of play in any way. If they can maintain their quality of play like this, then they can almost struggle with other teams.

My point too, I really think this is their time to lift that trophy for the first time in a long time, I just hope they win it if not for anything but for the hard work and devotion Mikel Arteta put on that team they should just win it at least, after first we all didn't believe Arsenal could be this good and no one believe Mikel Arteta but now we all can clearly see the good work he's done on the team and he should be compensated with either the English premier League or the UEFA Champions League they should just give him one of these trophies.

[DubemIfedigbo001]

They look stronger, and they are truly showing consistent, and this is the mandate they have taken upon themselves this season, and they need to hold on seriously, because they might even lose their position very soon, and since the city is behind them, they need to work harder because, they hve a good shot this season and I won't be angry if arsenal should win the Premier League because they have been seriously struggling to win it and if they are not serious enough we are going to win it again, we are just some point behind them.

They've a clear shift at it this time around with such a squad depth you're supposed to win trophies. Arterta has no excuses this season, Arsenal has given him everything he needs to win major trophies and even have a secure at the champions League.

Premier League is a must win for Arterta this season, else I don't think he's remaining as Arsenal boss for any season more. Arsenal don't need to hold on, they need to do more and keep at it until the end. Good thing almost every single wing in the team have good replacements and with good rotation of players, the fatigue his players regularly suffers towards the end of season may be averted this time around

[TelolettOm]

By the way, regarding Liverpool's new signings, I found a post with both pros and cons regarding new signings who have been deemed failures at the club this season, including Liverpool players........................ (snipped)

Liverpool have two star players in this list, Isak and Wirtz, that explains many things about the latest terrible performances of that club. The bad adaptation and performances of Wirtz are more easily explained and understood than current issues of Isak. The Swedish striker has played many seasons in Premier League for Newcastle United and his success in Newcastle United brought him to Liverpool in the summer. Isak does not have problems with Premier League but more likely with Liverpool tactics and teammates as well as with pressure from his expensive transfer cost record.

Yes, that's right, there are two big names at the top of Liverpool's squad. While they've actually started to perform better than they did at the beginning, it's just that they're top players, especially Isak, who was a top signing at a fantastic price, that's the most disappointing. By the way, Wirtz's performance with his national team is still very good. That's why he once said he hadn't found his rhythm or wasn't comfortable with his tactics at Liverpool in particular.

Like what happened in the World Cup, he even delivered two assists for his national club. Maybe he really isn't suited to Liverpool, or is he just not the right fit?

Like what happened in the World Cup, he even delivered two assists for his national club. Maybe he really doesn't fit in with Liverpool, or is he just not the right fit yet?

Source: Florian Wirtz after delivering TWO assists

[Adbitco]

It's just funny how Alexander Isak is actually on top of this list considering the way he left Newcastle, for some weird reasons I think the Newcastle faithfuls will be happy at the turn of events even though their team isn't doing well also. At least they will have this sense of satisfaction that their team isn't doing well and also their main man who forced his way out isn't doing well as well. I'm just thinking.

Their player is also on the list to so it's even, if they mock Isak then Liverpool fans would have to banter them too cause the striker they bought as Isak's replacement is also on the list. Although I'm really worried about Isak cause I want him to be great in the Epl and be one of the best striker Liverpool ever had, I believe he'll bounce back once the team is back to their full potential.
 Unfortunately almost all the players Liverpool signed this season are on that list and it's something to worry about based on the amount they were bought for, I keep wondering what went wrong cause all of them were doing better in their previous clubs but switched to Liverpool and suddenly became flops, is it that Liverpool isn't the right club they would've gone to or it's the general team performance that's affecting them, I really don't know what's going on with Liverpool summer signings cause they're supposed to make the team stronger.

But they never wanted to sell Isak in the first place and they know they really can't get a suitable replacement for Isak because most of the players that are better than Isak and plays in his position all plays for big teams and there's no way Newcastle could have snatched any of those players. Besides Liverpool and Newcastle are not in the same level as Liverpool is clearly ahead of them. Newcastle isn't fighting for the title but Liverpool is or should I say was, lol.

[bitgolden]

I understand Isak, because if you pay 100 million for a player then he should be scoring goals more than everyone else, like fight with Haaland for the top scorer levels of player, that's what you request from a 150 million transfer.

But Wissa makes no sense, dude is just injured how could you say he is a bad transfer when the guy hasn't even played yet, sure it was bad timing on injury but there is still time for him to heal and get back and be better. List is a bit weird, like Woltemade plays better than Firtz but he is ranked higher, no idea why that was the case. In any case, I would put Sesko in there too, that dude didn't do anything so far and I am not entirely sure why they didn't put him on the list at all.

[ancafe]

Arsenal must control their mentality as calmest as possible because Manchester City are strong and very experienced in title competition while they have better player resource than Arsenal. Therefore, Manchester City are able to deal with one or some player injuries better than Arsenal and this ability is important in a long season. The current point difference against Manchester City is only four points, that is not too big gap for Arsenal to feel safe or for Manchester City to feel hopelesslly.

Speaking of the quality of the players Arsenal possess may be quite good, but what Arteta needs to improve is the players' mentality and confidence. I see this as a real weakness for Arsenal. This team isn't built with a winning mentality, so they quickly become frustrated when other challengers put pressure on them, which leads to them losing their concentration to overcome the pressure. Regarding injuries, they have squad depth, and they should be able to overcome this, as Manchester City and Liverpool did in previous seasons. I see almost no other issues that have consistently prevented Arsenal from winning the Premier League title.

[impulse709]

Arsenal must control their mentality as calmest as possible because Manchester City are strong and very experienced in title competition while they have better player resource than Arsenal. Therefore, Manchester City are able to deal with one or some player injuries better than Arsenal and this ability is important in a long season. The current point difference against Manchester City is only four points, that is not too big gap for Arsenal to feel safe or for Manchester City to feel hopelesslly.

Speaking of the quality of the players Arsenal possess may be quite good, but what Arteta needs to improve is the players' mentality and confidence. I see this as a real weakness for Arsenal. This team isn't built with a winning mentality, so they quickly become frustrated when other challengers put pressure on them, which leads to them losing their concentration to overcome the pressure. Regarding injuries, they have squad depth, and they should be able to overcome this, as Manchester City and Liverpool did in previous seasons. I see almost no other issues that have consistently prevented Arsenal from winning the Premier League title.

The quality of Arsenal is no longer really a problem in itself, talent-wise they are far more similar to City than they were a few years ago. Actually you are correct that the mentality gap can still be felt during pressure situations. City have established a squad that does not panic over the years even when results do not go their way or when injuries strike. Arsenal on the other hand continue to falter when the championship race is close and this is where experience and mentality counts rather than tactics itself.

Four points in a season is nothing and therefore; the resiliency and calmness will make the difference in case Arsenal is keen to remain in the fray. Their depth in the squad is satisfactory, yet their mentality requires an extra level.

[Different patterns]

Arsenal must control their mentality as calmest as possible because Manchester City are strong and very experienced in title competition while they have better player resource than Arsenal. Therefore, Manchester City are able to deal with one or some player injuries better than Arsenal and this ability is important in a long season. The current point difference against Manchester City is only four points, that is not too big gap for Arsenal to feel safe or for Manchester City to feel hopelesslly.

Speaking of the quality of the players Arsenal possess may be quite good, but what Arteta needs to improve is the players' mentality and confidence. I see this as a real weakness for Arsenal. This team isn't built with a winning mentality, so they quickly become frustrated when other challengers put pressure on them, which leads to them losing their concentration to overcome the pressure. Regarding injuries, they have squad depth, and they should be able to overcome this, as Manchester City and Liverpool did in previous seasons. I see almost no other issues that have consistently prevented Arsenal from winning the Premier League title.

This season is a big opportunity for Arsenal, but it’s also a test of maturity and consistency. As the pressure grows, every match will feel bigger and every mistake will feel heavier, This is where mentality becomes just as important as tactics or talent.Manchester City have been in this position many times before so that's shows a upper hand. They know how to stay calm, handle setbacks, and maintain momentum late in the season unlike Arsenal, Their squad depth also gives them an advantage when key players get injured, they have the resources to replace them without losing quality.That is why Arsenal must stay mentally strong and as composed as possible. The gap between both teams is only four points and that is not enough for Arsenal to feel secure or for City to feel defeated though it's not a big. The title race is still very much alive and every decision, every performance, and every moment now matters.

[Velvet78]

The most interesting game of the week is Arsenal - Tottenham to me.

There is a serious injury problem for Arsenal. They have still done really good in this situation so far. But in especially big games they need these players a lot. Many of them are expected to return in a couple of days.

However how many of them will be able to play though?    If Arteta doesn't have a good lineup for the game it will be much harder to get the win. I still want to believe in them though considering Tottenham's poor form...

[Son Of Blockchain (SOB)]

This season is a big opportunity for Arsenal, but it’s also a test of maturity and consistency. As the pressure grows, every match will feel bigger and every mistake will feel heavier, This is where mentality becomes just as important as tactics or talent.Manchester City have been in this position many times before so that's shows a upper hand. They know how to stay calm, handle setbacks, and maintain momentum late in the season unlike Arsenal, Their squad depth also gives them an advantage when key players get injured, they have the resources to replace them without losing quality.That is why Arsenal must stay mentally strong and as composed as possible. The gap between both teams is only four points and that is not enough for Arsenal to feel secure or for City to feel defeated though it's not a big. The title race is still very much alive and every decision, every performance, and every moment now matters.

It's going to be one of their toughest season cause their injury list just extended, it used to be Madueke, Odegaard, Gabriel Jesus, Gyökeres, Martineli and Calafiori but Kai Havertz and Gabriel Magalhaes recently joined the list, it's a big problem for the team cause Arsenal has one of the strongest defense in Europe but one of the centre backs who made it possible is currently injured and could cause them a set back, these are challenging times for Arteta I wonder how he'll cope this period.
 They have tough matches after the International break and could be affected since the squad is not complete, I won't be suprised if Manchester City close the gap and take over their spot then push them to second position. Injury have been a hindrance for Arsenal and it's stroke them again, so bad.

[slapper]

Chelsea might capture the 2nd place by the end of this week's matches maybe.

- Burnley v Chelsea
- Newcastle v Manchester City

This is why I think so. Chelsea can get a win by landslide if they manage to open the lock early. The only issue is that Burnley have a better defending at home.    Arsenal beat them by 2-0 away earlier. Not a huge goal gap despite a one sided match...

I'm not sure about Manchester City here. Newcastle were quite bad in their last 2 matches in the league. But they might still not lose easily in a big home match. If Haaland keeps going the same Newcastle's job would be much harder though.

Arsenal is not a team that scores many goals no matter the team they face but one thing they are very good at is defending their goals so if they are 1 goal ahead it's difficult for teams to equalize. Burnley concedes goals to even weaker teams so I don't think Chelsea will have problems facing them at all. Arsenal scoring only two against them doesn't mean other teams won't score more, Chelsea have one of the best attack in the league so they can definitely do more.

Seems like Newcastle is the home team so they are at advantage here but that's not a guarantee that they will win. Newcastle always seem to be good when they face strong teams, they always give it their all against big teams but Manchester City are also doing well now so they can also win the match.
Manchester City losing 2nd place is in their hands because their is high possibility that Chelsea will win Burnley so they have to have in mind that Chelsea already won and now it's left to them to win their own match if they want to retain the second place.

The timing in this case is quite vital and no one is discussing it seriously. City begins five hours later than Chelsea. Imagine going into the pitch already having known that you have fallen to third place as a result of Chelsea crushing Burnley. Quite a different game of mind

People continue to recycle old stories. "Newcastle's tough at home by big teams" Based on what? They are fourteen, and have lost their last two matches by the same margins, and they were absolutely toothless against Brentford at St. James' Park. A single shot on target in ninety minutes. It is not a team that is going to bother City on paper, yet the whole attack of the City goes through a single player. Haaland has scored more than 60 percent of their goals, they have had no goals of set pieces

Chelsea's the opposite. Goals come from everywhere. Caicedo, Neto, Fernandez, Joaquim Pedro all contributing. It's a system, not a superstar. Their statistics underscore it they are the real thing, not some people riding on luck