Is Ban Evasion same as Proxy Ban?

[Turn it off]

I have been reading the rules of the forum and saw something about ban evading, and during my account registration I tried registring an account normally and I was asked to pay some evil fee, I was confused at first because this was my first account so how the heck did I commit any evil? so I proceeded to creating this one with my VPN turned on and it worked without any evil fee payment.

So for me creating an account and then abadoning it because of the evil fee to create a new one is that considered as an Ban Evasion? Please I need clarification, I just don't want something that is going to haunt me during my stay here or affect me later on.

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[Nwada001]

That's not ban evasion.. you got those evil fee to pay as a result of people who are within that your area using same IP address with you might have violated the system, they have been ban and all of that.

So Evasion is when someone have an account on the forum and because of rules violation they got there account permanently Ban and instead of appealing for the account to get unbanned, they created new account and start back their usual activities when such is detected that's when it's considered to be a Ban evasion and the user a ban invader.

[PX-Z]

So for me creating an account and then abadoning it because of the evil fee to create a new one is that considered as an Ban Evasion?

No, it's different, you will only ban evading if your other account/s are banned in this forum from different reasons.

"Proxy bans" are the results of those banned accounts, once a user was banned, the IP address used by those users received evil points/score. The higher the evil points the higher the payment it will be generated once a user registered using those IP address.

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That's not ban evasion.. you got those evil fee to pay as a result of people who are within that your area using same IP address with you might have violated the system, they have been ban and all of that.

You need to take note that IP blacklisting will affect all countries or the VPN location used. Let us take this an en example, you use service provider A to open an account on this forum, some other people also use service provider A, and they are permanently banned, this will affect other people that wants to open an account on this forum from that country that are using service provider A as the IP addresses if service provider A is blacklisted by this forum. Also if it is VPN, the VPN per each location that the banned people are using to register account will be blacklisted.

[SeriouslyGiveaway]

an account normally and I was asked to pay some evil fee, I was confused at first because this was my first account so how the heck did I commit any evil?

Did you use a public WiFi IP address for that account registration?

so I proceeded to creating this one with my VPN turned on and it worked without any evil fee payment.

Using free VPN can cause the same evil IP problem because many people use a same free VPN like you.

You can submit for whitelisting
Remove Proxyban (evil fees) - email to get whitelisted for free

So for me creating an account and then abadoning it because of the evil fee to create a new one is that considered as an Ban Evasion?

Evil IP is not an account ban. It does not cause a ban evasion.

25. Ban evasion (using or creating accounts while one of your accounts is banned) is not allowed.[e]

25. If you get banned (temporarily or permanently) and create a new account to continue posting / sending PMs, it's considered ban evasion. The only exception is creating a thread in Meta about your ban.

[SamReomo]

I have been reading the rules of the forum and saw something about ban evading, and during my account registration I tried registring an account normally and I was asked to pay some evil fee, I was confused at first because this was my first account so how the heck did I commit any evil? so I proceeded to creating this one with my VPN turned on and it worked without any evil fee payment.

So for me creating an account and then abadoning it because of the evil fee to create a new one is that considered as an Ban Evasion? Please I need clarification, I just don't want something that is going to haunt me during my stay here or affect me later on.

If you are from a location where many users have done wrong activities on this forum and because of those negative users the other people who share same set of IP addresses mostly because of the same ISP of the location could face such problem. It isn't you who committed evil but the ones who also belong to same city or country where you reside. It's common thing now that almost every ISP allocates dynamic IP addresses to the users of their service, and those dynamic IP addresses are mostly similar, but only difference in last numbers of the IP addresses.

It isn't ban evasion if you are creating your account for first time and you didn't got any ban from this forum. But, if someone has broken the rules of the forum in past and has got a ban from the administrators, but now created another fake account to use this forum because his/her main account was banned due to malicious activity then that kind of account creation falls into the domain of ban evasion. You haven't done ban evasion, but still using of VPN for creating an account isn't a good activity because such kind of act could be the cause of more spamming. Ban evasion is basically the act of creating accounts on a forum where someone's main account is banned, that thing is another type of fraud and that's why it's disliked by all reputed forums and websites.

However, if you intention behind using the VPN was to create your account for fair usage of the forum, and you didn't had an account banned of this forum in past then there isn't anything wrong in doing that. But be careful and read the rules of the forum so you can be safe from further issues. This forum is strictly against Plagiarism and if someone founds to be plagiarizing the content of others then the user will get banned as soon as he/she gets reported by the reputed members of the forum.

You should go through this post to understand the rules better:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=703657.0#post_rules

[FatFork]

So for me creating an account and then abadoning it because of the evil fee to create a new one is that considered as an Ban Evasion?

Nope, that's not considered ban evasion. If you happen to come across a proxy ban and don't feel like paying evil fees, you can try changing your public IP address or switching to a different VPN provider (if you're using one) and make a fresh account. Just remember, you won't be able to reuse the same username.

[Faisal2202]

I have been reading the rules of the forum and saw something about ban evading, and during my account registration I tried registring an account normally and I was asked to pay some evil fee, I was confused at first because this was my first account so how the heck did I commit any evil? so I proceeded to creating this one with my VPN turned on and it worked without any evil fee payment.

So for me creating an account and then abadoning it because of the evil fee to create a new one is that considered as an Ban Evasion? Please I need clarification, I just don't want something that is going to haunt me during my stay here or affect me later on.

Is there any other person near you, who is on this platform too, because what i have read in my Networking class that, when we get internet from the same service provider it provides the same IP, For example, You bought the internet from a middleman who got the internet from regional internet provider, and that middleman uses some old technology (modems) which mixes the IP address (mean did not change the IP address and allocate the same IP to every users connected to that modem. (well this could be eliminated if you could ask the middleman to change it).

Why i asked is there any person near you on this platform, because his/her IP and you IP would be same and that person might have violated the rules of this platform, so this platform blacklisted that IP, and you having the same IP, tried to sign in or sign up and asked to pay fee.

Now coming to evasion to ban, this is tricky for me, because if you could prove that you are new to this platform and never had any account in past which had violated the rules and got you banned then i think it is ok for you to be here and there left no reason for you to fear the ban. Well, let's left it on the moderators.

[KingsDen]

So for me creating an account and then abadoning it because of the evil fee to create a new one is that considered as an Ban Evasion? Please I need clarification, I just don't want something that is going to haunt me during my stay here or affect me later on.

2 activity and 2 posts both in meta and you already talking about ban evasion. Well, you are not totally a newcomer as you claimed but don't be afraid of ban evasion if you are not ban evading.
The message that displayed in the evil fee portal didn't state that you are ban evading, just that you have the pre knowledge that ban evasion breeds evil fee.
Don't panic and use the free forum in a healthy and honest manner.

[Dunamisx]

So for me creating an account and then abadoning it because of the evil fee to create a new one is that considered as an Ban Evasion? Please I need clarification, I just don't want something that is going to haunt me during my stay here or affect me later on.

When you're about to register on the forum, the platform have a list of IP addresses in some certain locations being blacklisted or suspected for an abuse or violation and in other to avoid them making registration indiscriminately on the forum, the introduction of evil fee payment was placed on those IP locations and if your country is one of them, you can't register for free but needs to pay for an evil fee to allow you have access to get onboard, know that this payment you're making is very affordable and not beyond what an average person can afford.

If you're already a member of this forum and have once created an account before which leads to permanent banned in time past, and you were found to be connected with the same baned account, that's a call for what is termed ban evasion, that is why you need to be law abiding when on this forum in other not to receive a ban from either way.

[Nwada001]

You need to take note that IP blacklisting will affect all countries or the VPN location used. Let us take this an en example, you use service provider A to open an account on this forum, some other people also use service provider A, and they are permanently banned, this will affect other people that wants to open an account on this forum from that country that are using service provider A as the IP addresses if service provider A is blacklisted by this forum. Also if it is VPN, the VPN per each location that the banned people are using to register account will be blacklisted.

I get your point, and we are still on the same page here.
I can be in a particular location and use a VPN to appear to be in another location, which means that the VPN that changes my location can also be used to create multiple accounts. When those accounts all get knocked out, I might end up giving that location a bad reputation, which could possibly make the location blacklisted.
 
But I don't think getting an IP address blacklisted is done just by 1-4 accounts getting banned for rules violation, I guess is far more above that, their should be a huge number enough to drag the attention of the admin.

[LoyceV]

But I don't think getting an IP address blacklisted is done just by 1-4 accounts getting banned for rules violation, I guess is far more above that, their should be a huge number enough to drag the attention of the admin.

As far as I know, every ban adds some "evil" to the IP (range), and if there's enough evil collected, any new accounts created from those IPs get proxybanned.

I proceeded to creating this one with my VPN turned on and it worked without any evil fee payment.

Usually it's the other way around: home IPs should be cleaner than VPN IPs. You must live in a bad neighborhood

As others said: this isn't ban evasion, you're good to go.

[Sim_card]

I also had the same problem when I registered here. I saw the evil fee and I was what a hell is this,I thought that the forum registration was free. After three days,the idea of using VPN came to my thought and immediately,I gave it a trial and my registration was accepted freely. Later,I had to read through and understood that if there are users who have violated the forum rules and got banned here,their IP address will be blacklisted and an evil fee will be paid. I like the initiative because it will help restrict registrations from the abused location.

[Eternad]

I have been reading the rules of the forum and saw something about ban evading, and during my account registration I tried registring an account normally and I was asked to pay some evil fee, I was confused at first because this was my first account so how the heck did I commit any evil? so I proceeded to creating this one with my VPN turned on and it worked without any evil fee payment.

So for me creating an account and then abadoning it because of the evil fee to create a new one is that considered as an Ban Evasion? Please I need clarification, I just don't want something that is going to haunt me during my stay here or affect me later on.

It’s different because I try to create new account before on new device with new cellular phone data plan that I didn’t use to access Bitcointalk but still this proxy ban persist same with the case of my friend that I invite to join here and lost the interest to pursue here be cause he can’t interact using his account with proxy ban.

I don’t know but the proxy ban seems like available on most of newly registered account that has an IP from specific country in my case PH. I’m late to know that VPN can bypass this proxy ban thing.

[aysg76]

As you have been already told you are not doing anything wrong because you have registered new account but there was not any old account here that was banned.Some users who violate any forum rules get ban like signature ban or permanent ban depending on the voilation and if they create another account to post normally then it's under ban evasion as the rules state you can only open a thread in meta section for your clarification to uplift the ban nothing else.

But what you encountered was evil fees issue which was implemented by @theymos to prevent scammers to avoid these bans.Like for each account banned the evil points are attached to the IP address of that account and with more evil points if the system detects new account registered with the neighbouring IP it ask users to pay some fees before creating the account so that was the issue you faced.So if you want to read about it in detail click here

[SatoPrincess]

I have been reading the rules of the forum and saw something about ban evading, and during my account registration I tried registring an account normally and I was asked to pay some evil fee, I was confused at first because this was my first account so how the heck did I commit any evil? so I proceeded to creating this one with my VPN turned on and it worked without any evil fee payment.

So for me creating an account and then abadoning it because of the evil fee to create a new one is that considered as an Ban Evasion? Please I need clarification, I just don't want something that is going to haunt me during my stay here or affect me later on.

That’s not ban evasion, ban evasion applies to users who were members of the forum and were banned for plagiarism, spamming e.t.c. You are free to create as many accounts as you like and that won’t get you banned, as long as you follow the forum rules and do not use your alt accounts to cheat campaigns.
The proxy ban affects users from certain regions, it’s nothing serious and as you have discovered using vpn can help you bypass it.

[Adbitco]

There is nothing to worry over your account my only worry for you is to get known the rules and regulation as newbies because whenever your account is ban you aren't permitted to make another account again, so i would advise you to make proper use of your account and follow the rules correctly. I know many people do not follow instructions correctly after being ban they put up all manner of apology letter for the ban to be lifted, avoid being in that situation I encourage you to put more efforts to understand how the forum works since you are already being afraid of getting ban.

[BIT-BENDER]

If you are free to not watch but to also post then there is nothing to worry about mate. You are just unlucky to be in a location that's branded an evil IP.

Good question nevertheless and we in the forum don't know your motives for coming to the forum but for what ever it is try as much as possible to keep it in line with the rules and regulations that is governing the forum and you would not have to bother about permanent or temporary ban.

[Subbir]

I hope that it's problem when you using share IPs, VPN or old evil proxy, Proxyban and Ban evasion is not same, possible Proxy unbanned by some evil fees.

but when you suspected "Ban evasion" so not a consider for open a new account.
 
Many people have already discussed this topic extensively above so follow them.

But I don't think getting an IP address blacklisted is done just by 1-4 accounts getting banned for rules violation, I guess is far more above that, their should be a huge number enough to drag the attention of the admin.

As far as I know, every ban adds some "evil" to the IP (range), and if there's enough evil collected, any new accounts created from those IPs get proxybanned.

I proceeded to creating this one with my VPN turned on and it worked without any evil fee payment.

Usually it's the other way around: home IPs should be cleaner than VPN IPs. You must live in a bad neighborhood

As others said: this isn't ban evasion, you're good to go.

I hope @LoyceV is cleared concept for everything.

[Despairo]

If someone can't post due to proxy ban, they can reach few members in this forum to get whitelist or just pay the evil fee/buy copper membership to get rid from it.

Although this forum has a rule about ban evasion which mean you must not create alt account to post except for ban appeal, but the reality someone create alt account and not care about it. They can still use their alt account until someone discover it and they're still active, not get banned, one of the example is naim027.

do not use your alt accounts to cheat campaigns.

Cheating in the same campaign wouldn't make you get banned, you're only get negative feedback as the punishment.