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July 06, 2023, 11:05:47 PM
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However, in an online casino it is much more difficult to apply punishments for two reasons:
The first is the difficulty in finding or finding evidence that these people are gambling;
Second is the impossibility of imposing fines or restricting access to the site if it is operating on a site that is hosted outside the jurisdiction where the crime was caught.
Currently, the convenience of accessing online gambling platforms is available everywhere. Even in my country, which incidentally prohibits gambling, this is inseparable. Lots of new platforms keep popping up through advertisements on various games played by young children. So that they can easily access the online gambling platform through these advertisements. And what's more, as we know, in gambling advertisements, of course they will provide very tempting motivation, namely in the form of very easy wins to earn very large amounts of money. But in reality we know how the process goes. But what is faced here are children, where sometimes they still don't understand these advertisements and are only interested in imagining the money they want to get, while they can easily access and play it. So, it's quite difficult to have punishment or other things because at this time, online gambling is developing very rapidly with various conveniences and sometimes without data verification or even identity for age.

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July 06, 2023, 11:06:22 PM
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There are many purposes of KYC not just the two that you mentioned. There is that; It is used for the government to get involved in the casino so that they can legally tax them. KYC can also be used to possibly prevent or reduce the fraudulent activity inside the casino.

If the casino is not strict enough in terms of KYC verifications then yes it can be bypassed easily if the gambler is also wise enough. Inside job can also happen where the casino can get bribes in exchange of immediate access and these gamblers will not be asked by a KYC in the future. There are casinos who doesn't mandate a KYC but only restrict some certain countries. This can easily be bypassed by using a VPN but this was still risky because our accounts or withdrawals can get blocked later on.
Indeed. KYC may have varied purposes, not only 2 purposes I stated above. I never said that KYC only has 2 purposes, so I never limit the purposes.
I agree that tax issues and avoid fraudulent activity are 2 other reasons of KYC procedure. Without KYC, the government has no chance to identify people's data to be imposed with the tax. The casino will be also difficult to handle fraudulent activities because they have no data of each gambler. These are just the examples of the benefits of KYC.

That's exactly what the points of my explanation above.
KYC verification can be manipulated with fake data, but I think it will be a small chance to bribe money to the team members of the casinos. Regarding the country restriction, surely it can be bypassed by VPN. But the gambler ID can show where the gambler comes, it can't be handle by VPN only. However, it can still be passed with fake data.


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July 07, 2023, 03:14:02 AM
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I feel like as long as people are over 18, they should be able to gamble. I know that sounds like a very young age when you are old enough, I certainly think that 18 year olds are kids and not adults yet, but at the same time there are so many of them who go off to live their own life and not with their parents anymore.

It means that it is time for them to learn real life, I certainly did and it was a very tough wake up call to learn that I was a child that was cared for and real world do not care about me at all. Took me a few years to realize that I have to grab the bull by the horn and just ride it out, and they should be able to learn how difficult life is by making these mistakes. If they are any younger then it is not a lesson, their parents would help them as best as they can, if they are older then it is too late.

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July 07, 2023, 04:31:55 AM
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I feel like as long as people are over 18, they should be able to gamble. I know that sounds like a very young age when you are old enough, I certainly think that 18 year olds are kids and not adults yet, but at the same time there are so many of them who go off to live their own life and not with their parents anymore.

This make sense, however for a teenager who's just learning to live independently it is not really god for them if they engage into something that cost their money with a higher probability of losing it than earning. I always prefer over 21 above because at this stage our kids might already have their stable job that could sustain their lifestyle. It's better this way than being broke because of gambling at a very early stage of your life. 18 is like more of testing the waters, in which field they would work comfortably. In fact some of them are still in school while having a part time job to sustain their educational needs. Each casino in every country has it's own preferences, but it's always a good preference if you're thinking about the future of the children.

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July 07, 2023, 05:30:30 AM
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I feel like as long as people are over 18, they should be able to gamble. I know that sounds like a very young age when you are old enough, I certainly think that 18 year olds are kids and not adults yet, but at the same time there are so many of them who go off to live their own life and not with their parents anymore.
Gambling is a risky activity to engage in; when we gamble, we automatically sign up for both earnings and losses; that's all we have to deal with. Adults are more likely to gamble when they believe they have fulfilled certain duties, and they may follow their friends in doing whatever they believe is right. You are correct; once a child reaches the age of 18, he or she is no longer considered a child, but rather a teen capable of caring for themselves. 21 years is more significant because it provides an advantage over other specified hurdles. I'm not encouraging our young adults to gamble, rather they should gamble with less risks.


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July 07, 2023, 05:44:01 AM
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Almost all of gambling sites were allowing people are 18 years old or even more to gamble. It refers to comply with the regulation. I know that if mostly of countries were defining anyone who under 18 years old was child. That means anyone who under 18 years old can be categorized as child and they have not been allowing to play gambling. The gambling site could put less age only of law was also mentioning it. Child have not been allowed to play gambling based in all of laws. 18 years old become the minimum age to play gambling due to the regulation.



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In the United States as of 1971, minor is generally legally defined as a person under the age of 18. However, in the context of alcohol or gambling laws, people under the age of 21 may also sometimes be referred to as minors. However, not all minors are considered juveniles in terms of criminal responsibility.
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Some countries were also defining a child as someonw who is less than 21 years old. That's why 18/21 could become minimum age to gamble.

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July 07, 2023, 06:11:12 AM
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Gambling is a risky activity to engage in; when we gamble, we automatically sign up for both earnings and losses; that's all we have to deal with. Adults are more likely to gamble when they believe they have fulfilled certain duties, and they may follow their friends in doing whatever they believe is right. You are correct; once a child reaches the age of 18, he or she is no longer considered a child, but rather a teen capable of caring for themselves. 21 years is more significant because it provides an advantage over other specified hurdles. I'm not encouraging our young adults to gamble, rather they should gamble with less risks.


The reason why people allowed 18 above that is because it is the age where their mental capacity and capability are slowly getting mature, they can now create decision for themselves and they started to develop their organs and their thinking. But some of the youth still have so much time in their learning curve so I think 18 is not yet enough to let them play maybe 21.
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July 07, 2023, 07:12:27 AM
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I feel like as long as people are over 18, they should be able to gamble. I know that sounds like a very young age when you are old enough, I certainly think that 18 year olds are kids and not adults yet, but at the same time there are so many of them who go off to live their own life and not with their parents anymore.

It means that it is time for them to learn real life, I certainly did and it was a very tough wake up call to learn that I was a child that was cared for and real world do not care about me at all. Took me a few years to realize that I have to grab the bull by the horn and just ride it out, and they should be able to learn how difficult life is by making these mistakes. If they are any younger then it is not a lesson, their parents would help them as best as they can, if they are older then it is too late.
That is the minimum age in gambling so of course those who have reached that age can already play casinos, but there are still some who say that the age at 18 is still immature and the most ideal age is 21 years old, while the age in 18 years most of them are still in the college stage of course there are still responsibilities from parents and they are not really mature.

With the age that has reached, they will certainly learn how to feel responsible for what they do, including how to make money, because it is impossible to play casino still rely on parents, so the life that starts for teenagers to adulthood I think he must understand his life and know what is his conclusion.

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July 07, 2023, 08:06:51 AM
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The reason why people allowed 18 above that is because it is the age where their mental capacity and capability are slowly getting mature, they can now create decision for themselves and they started to develop their organs and their thinking. But some of the youth still have so much time in their learning curve so I think 18 is not yet enough to let them play maybe 21.

Oh yeah? There are lots of people who are dumb as box of rocks even at 50+. Notice, that people who are 18 are allowed to gamble at the casinos, while they can be younger than 18 and freely gamble at home or at any other place. Imho the minimum age should be the age when the person finds out and understand how hard it is to earn money. It is individual or everyone. However, on the other hand, if gambling is all about emotions, why should there be age limit then? Seems stupid that a person only from age 18 is allowed to have fun.

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July 07, 2023, 08:35:28 AM
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       -  Here in our country, casino ads was very rampant especially on Facebook and Youtube, On Facebook, millions of people use it in our country, including millions of minors, and they can see popular influencers endorsing and encouraging gambling among their followers, of course even if they are not followers, they can watch and casino ads can be seen.

At this point, it is not good for me because the casino has been exposed too much without our government noticing that it is not good anymore because of the minor children. There should be a law about this in our country, though knowing that only adults should be gambling in casinos.

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July 07, 2023, 08:54:52 AM
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Some countries were also defining a child as someonw who is less than 21 years old. That's why 18/21 could become minimum age to gamble.
In the country I live in, a person is considered an adult when he reaches the age of 18+ and to be able to go to places of entertainment, the age requirement is very much enforced too, but not for gambling because the country where I prohibits gambling activities.
Age limits can help casinos deal with a problem because if gamblers are of age they have data that casinos might ask for.
It's just that I'm sure there are some who do manipulation, namely by using fake identities or other people's identities, making it difficult for casinos who want real personal data.

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July 07, 2023, 09:07:26 AM
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If KYC is not mandatory in an online casino, then even a minor can play with them. It turns out like this. I guess in this case, the casino can't and will not prohibit a minor from playing their games of chance for the simple reason that the casino will not know that the player is a minor.

Taking legal action against a casino in which a minor plays is associated with many obstacles, difficulties and delays. I think so. Here, questions arise about the legality of the casino, in which jurisdiction the casino is registered, which country the underage player is a resident of, and possibly other nuances. All this together can have discrepancies and create one big confusion, which will at least be very difficult to hold the casino accountable. I see that online casinos are mostly in the gray zone of regulation and therefore, in this area, as in the wild west, the laws don't work in full force.

It seems to me that online casinos don't care whose money they receive, from adults or from minors.

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July 07, 2023, 09:25:32 AM
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Gambling is a risky activity to engage in; when we gamble, we automatically sign up for both earnings and losses; that's all we have to deal with. Adults are more likely to gamble when they believe they have fulfilled certain duties, and they may follow their friends in doing whatever they believe is right. You are correct; once a child reaches the age of 18, he or she is no longer considered a child, but rather a teen capable of caring for themselves. 21 years is more significant because it provides an advantage over other specified hurdles. I'm not encouraging our young adults to gamble, rather they should gamble with less risks.


The reason why people allowed 18 above that is because it is the age where their mental capacity and capability are slowly getting mature, they can now create decision for themselves and they started to develop their organs and their thinking. But some of the youth still have so much time in their learning curve so I think 18 is not yet enough to let them play maybe 21.

So it still depends on the country? because other countries allow 18 and above, but to others it is 21. Though it is really better to be  21 because we are mature enough at that time, this again depends on the law. Even though the risk is still present, meaning all of us can get addicted no matter what our age is, having this age limit is best because we know that those teens are very prone to addiction and easily get influenced by others.
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July 07, 2023, 11:07:01 AM
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So it still depends on the country? because other countries allow 18 and above, but to others it is 21. Though it is really better to be  21 because we are mature enough at that time, this again depends on the law. Even though the risk is still present, meaning all of us can get addicted no matter what our age is, having this age limit is best because we know that those teens are very prone to addiction and easily get influenced by others.
more clearly if someone who starts gambling when they are over 18+ they have better self-control compared to minors who are very vulnerable to emotions that cannot be controlled, causing addiction. this age limit is actually not very successful in preventing minors but especially for online gambling but for physical gambling the age limit will really help minors avoid gambling.
because if in a physical casino when entering a gambling place you will always be asked for the identity of gambling security but for online casinos minors can use fake data to still be able to gamble.

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July 07, 2023, 01:07:37 PM
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Yes, parents are the first people who should be questioned why their underage children can access gambling sites, I mean when they give freedom to hold cellphones for example, they should also control what their children do with their cellphones. I think it is quite easy to see slightly different behavior when their children have become users who play gambling. From money for example, surely children who are still minors have money from their parents' gifts, and as parents must have set aside how much their monthly / weekly / daily money is, when they look more extravagant then it is suspicious which then must be followed up.

Sometimes it really looks like most parents in so-called developed countries don't even try to raise their children, they just feed them, cloth them, buy them stuff and outsource looking after them to schools or nurseries.
Controlling what kids do on their phones gets almost impossible when we're talking about late teens. If you didn't teach your kids self-control and installed proper values by then, there's not much you can do.
In terms of preventing them from gambling, the best you could do is control their finances and monitor their spending. To gamble online they'd have to make an online deposit, for which you'd need a bank account. I don't even know if it'd be possible to make such deposit from a junior account.
I don't really know what the freedom in the world of parents in some big cities is like, but indeed if something like that happens then this kind of condition is dangerous because one of the roles of parents that should be important seems to be eroded by the progress of the times and as if such things are not needed today.
Children are a trust that should be taken care of properly because this is our successor but if indeed the role of parents alone is abandoned as you say then it will obviously be very difficult for me to accept.

Controlling children especially if they are still at a vulnerable age is important so in this case the role of parents is clearly needed. It does not mean that we limit children's creations but control like this is only for some conditions so that children know what they should touch and what should not be violated with their very young age.

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July 07, 2023, 02:02:55 PM
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I feel like as long as people are over 18, they should be able to gamble. I know that sounds like a very young age when you are old enough, I certainly think that 18 year olds are kids and not adults yet, but at the same time there are so many of them who go off to live their own life and not with their parents anymore.

It means that it is time for them to learn real life, I certainly did and it was a very tough wake up call to learn that I was a child that was cared for and real world do not care about me at all. Took me a few years to realize that I have to grab the bull by the horn and just ride it out, and they should be able to learn how difficult life is by making these mistakes. If they are any younger then it is not a lesson, their parents would help them as best as they can, if they are older then it is too late.
Some mistakes are really hard to correct especially when made in a tender age and the worst type of mistake would be the one of turning to a gambling addict at a tender age.

Gamble age for most countries are different but in all I feel someone who is up to 21 must have mature in mind and reasonable to carry up such habit in other to become an addict to the habit and he or she must be working in order for him to take responsibility for any irresponsible actions taken by him.
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July 07, 2023, 02:08:55 PM
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I feel like as long as people are over 18, they should be able to gamble. I know that sounds like a very young age when you are old enough, I certainly think that 18 year olds are kids and not adults yet, but at the same time there are so many of them who go off to live their own life and not with their parents anymore.

It means that it is time for them to learn real life, I certainly did and it was a very tough wake up call to learn that I was a child that was cared for and real world do not care about me at all. Took me a few years to realize that I have to grab the bull by the horn and just ride it out, and they should be able to learn how difficult life is by making these mistakes. If they are any younger then it is not a lesson, their parents would help them as best as they can, if they are older then it is too late.
Some mistakes are really hard to correct especially when made in a tender age and the worst type of mistake would be the one of turning to a gambling addict at a tender age.

Gamble age for most countries are different but in all I feel someone who is up to 21 must have mature in mind and reasonable to carry up such habit in other to become an addict to the habit and he or she must be working in order for him to take responsibility for any irresponsible actions taken by him.

Because most of that age is so eager on everything they wanna try and gambling is somehow hard to resist especially when they think that they can always win with it and they can enjoy all the games and be out of control since their mindset is YOLO on everything. This is why its important for government to take some rules and increase up the age of gamblers allowed to play on casino to avoid such thing that can possibly harm young adults if teens play gambling in bad way.

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       -  Here in our country, casino ads was very rampant especially on Facebook and Youtube, On Facebook, millions of people use it in our country, including millions of minors, and they can see popular influencers endorsing and encouraging gambling among their followers, of course even if they are not followers, they can watch and casino ads can be seen.

At this point, it is not good for me because the casino has been exposed too much without our government noticing that it is not good anymore because of the minor children. There should be a law about this in our country, though knowing that only adults should be gambling in casinos.

Well, gambling ads on social media is something different as these ads promote the gambling sites business but they are not meant specifically for minors to join gambling. We cannot control those ads but the gambling sites should be responsible enough to disallow minors to play at their platforms.

Sadly most of the gambling platforms will only care for their own money and they would not care about the adverse effect of gambling on children and minors accessing those sites.

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July 07, 2023, 05:37:53 PM
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Because most of that age is so eager on everything they wanna try and gambling is somehow hard to resist especially when they think that they can always win with it and they can enjoy all the games and be out of control since their mindset is YOLO on everything. This is why its important for government to take some rules and increase up the age of gamblers allowed to play on casino to avoid such thing that can possibly harm young adults if teens play gambling in bad way.
Adolescence can make someone more curious to know and discover and they can take the wrong path if they don't get guidance from adults. Many teenagers have taken the wrong path, which makes them unable to get out of there if they don't get help from others. They can become more curious when they already know about gambling, especially if they have lost many times and want to feel the winning. Increasing the gambling age is probably a good step that needs to be taken by the government and limits users who want to enter the gambling world so that they don't get out of control and cause problems for their lives when they become adults.

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July 07, 2023, 05:47:47 PM
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So it still depends on the country? because other countries allow 18 and above, but to others it is 21. Though it is really better to be  21 because we are mature enough at that time, this again depends on the law. Even though the risk is still present, meaning all of us can get addicted no matter what our age is, having this age limit is best because we know that those teens are very prone to addiction and easily get influenced by others.
more clearly if someone who starts gambling when they are over 18+ they have better self-control compared to minors who are very vulnerable to emotions that cannot be controlled, causing addiction. this age limit is actually not very successful in preventing minors but especially for online gambling but for physical gambling the age limit will really help minors avoid gambling.
because if in a physical casino when entering a gambling place you will always be asked for the identity of gambling security but for online casinos minors can use fake data to still be able to gamble.

Actually people that are 18 ain't mentally much different than 15 y.o. people. I know how dumb I was when I was 18 and I can tell there wasn't a great difference with my 15 years old self. So just because a person is over 18 doesn't mean he will make wise choices instantly.

Most people stay dumb till their 30's and some people stay dumb forever till they die.

On the other hand I've seen 15 y.o. kids that are way smarter than most adults. These kids were able to think and act like an adult. It is like they were living their 2nd or 3rd life... But let's be honest most people ain't like that.

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