Boxing: Anthony Joshua vs Robert Helenius (replacement)

[TravelMug]

Lol. If Whyte really said that, then he is a funny guy. I wonder if he talks like that, when everyone knows that he will get KOed by AJ. There is a chance that AJ is still mentally flying somewhere, then there is a chance for Dillian.
Is AJ good today? His victory against Franklin was not impressive. He should KO such opponents, instead the fight went full distance.

AJ could be good, depends on his opponents,

I try to look for that press conference video if indeed as what someone posted was true:->https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cra4YVxInmE

Go to 2:38 and see what's their conversion is all about. Not sure if Dillian just wanted to be funny because you can see the reaction of both Joshua and Eddie and the media around.

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[Die_empty]

Lol, even at the press conference, Dillian Whyte ask Eddie Hearn what's the taste of Joshua's ball. Because obviously, Hearn is still on Joshua's bandwagon and wanted to resurrect his career because admit it or not,  he is not longer in his prime with back to back loses to Usyk.

It could have been great if Hearn would answer "salty",  .

But he says that Whyte will have to find it out during their fight.

Anthony Joshua needs to win this fight to meet Deontay Wilder which will be a new down in his challenged career but Dillian Whyte can spoil his day. Derek Chisora who was knocked out by Whyte in 2018 is predicting that although Joshua will find it difficult to win the fight but he would eventually will the match. He is predicting that Joshua will have a slow start but he will gradually improve in the game. One of the reasons he gave for Joshua's difficulty is the long flight from his training ground in Texas to Vegas before taking another eight hours flight to London. Chisora said that the long flights will make him tired which will be an advantage to Dillian Whyte who is training in Florida.

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[Sanitough]

Lol, even at the press conference, Dillian Whyte ask Eddie Hearn what's the taste of Joshua's ball. Because obviously, Hearn is still on Joshua's bandwagon and wanted to resurrect his career because admit it or not,  he is not longer in his prime with back to back loses to Usyk.

It could have been great if Hearn would answer "salty",  .

But he says that Whyte will have to find it out during their fight.

Anthony Joshua needs to win this fight to meet Deontay Wilder which will be a new down in his challenged career but Dillian Whyte can spoil his day. Derek Chisora who was knocked out by Whyte in 2018 is predicting that although Joshua will find it difficult to win the fight but he would eventually will the match. He is predicting that Joshua will have a slow start but he will gradually improve in the game. One of the reasons he gave for Joshua's difficulty is the long flight from his training ground in Texas to Vegas before taking another eight hours flight to London. Chisora said that the long flights will make him tired which will be an advantage to Dillian Whyte who is training in Florida.

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I guess this fight doesn't need to last long. Typically, in heavyweight fights, the match often ends early due to their knockout power and the potential fatigue that comes with their size as the rounds progress. However, if the fight were to last longer, I believe the advantage would be with the younger boxer, which in this case would be AJ.

[Fundamentals Of]

Joshua can't probably repeat what happened when they first met in the ring. If they had a rematch shortly after their first match, Joshua could have easily won it. But since this is 8 years later and Joshua has already suffered the effects of his first loss and also his back-to-back losses against Usyk, he will not be the same very confident guy. This is more of Dillian's bigger chance for a revenge. If Joshua wins, it will probably be a close UD.

[Questat]

Joshua can't probably repeat what happened when they first met in the ring. If they had a rematch shortly after their first match, Joshua could have easily won it. But since this is 8 years later and Joshua has already suffered the effects of his first loss and also his back-to-back losses against Usyk, he will not be the same very confident guy. This is more of Dillian's bigger chance for a revenge. If Joshua wins, it will probably be a close UD.

Joshua is likely not the same fighter he was when he was undefeated and a champion. Therefore, I honestly believe there's a good chance that Whyte will be able to level the playing field in the rematch. This would make for a more intriguing anticipation, and we might even see a trilogy of fights between them. If AJ were to lose, it would be unlikely for him to pursue a fight with Wilder.

[Viscore]

Joshua can't probably repeat what happened when they first met in the ring. If they had a rematch shortly after their first match, Joshua could have easily won it. But since this is 8 years later and Joshua has already suffered the effects of his first loss and also his back-to-back losses against Usyk, he will not be the same very confident guy. This is more of Dillian's bigger chance for a revenge. If Joshua wins, it will probably be a close UD.

Joshua is likely not the same fighter he was when he was undefeated and a champion. Therefore, I honestly believe there's a good chance that Whyte will be able to level the playing field in the rematch. This would make for a more intriguing anticipation, and we might even see a trilogy of fights between them. If AJ were to lose, it would be unlikely for him to pursue a fight with Wilder.

I agree with you but we will find out after this fight. Looks like this fight has become more popular than a real championship fight, and as we can see this one " Zhang Vs Joyce II WBO Interim World Heavyweight Championship", does not gain more attention than this thread that was created earlier.

Anyway, as per betting polls, "Anthony Joshua KO" still has more votes, so it's pretty obvious that Anthony Joshua is the crowd favorite.

[inthelongrun]

Lol, even at the press conference, Dillian Whyte ask Eddie Hearn what's the taste of Joshua's ball. Because obviously, Hearn is still on Joshua's bandwagon and wanted to resurrect his career because admit it or not,  he is not longer in his prime with back to back loses to Usyk.

It could have been great if Hearn would answer "salty",  .

But he says that Whyte will have to find it out during their fight.

Anthony Joshua needs to win this fight to meet Deontay Wilder which will be a new down in his challenged career but Dillian Whyte can spoil his day. Derek Chisora who was knocked out by Whyte in 2018 is predicting that although Joshua will find it difficult to win the fight but he would eventually will the match. He is predicting that Joshua will have a slow start but he will gradually improve in the game. One of the reasons he gave for Joshua's difficulty is the long flight from his training ground in Texas to Vegas before taking another eight hours flight to London. Chisora said that the long flights will make him tired which will be an advantage to Dillian Whyte who is training in Florida.

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I guess this fight doesn't need to last long. Typically, in heavyweight fights, the match often ends early due to their knockout power and the potential fatigue that comes with their size as the rounds progress. However, if the fight were to last longer, I believe the advantage would be with the younger boxer, which in this case would be AJ.

Come on Derek Vaseline! AJ and his team will fly back to the UK earlier as they do not want their fighter jet-lagged during fight night. But AJ is still a changed fighter and will hesitate to engage right away. AJ and his team knew that Whyte is known to fatigue in the late rounds so they will try to box and fight smart and will only go for the kill when the opportunity arises. But I do hope that Whyte is fully conditioned and has enough gas to go to war for 12 rounds if necessary. Because this is the only way he can win.

I wonder if Wilder is really next but it will be a very interesting fight. It would've been bigger than Fury-Wilder when they were both champions and undefeated and for the undisputed. Still, better late than never. But we'll see if they are really going to face each other next. The WBC already mandated Wilder and Ruiz for the final eliminator which means the winner will face Tyson Fury which is not really cool if we see another Fury-Wilder.   

[coin-investor]

I wonder if Wilder is really next but it will be a very interesting fight. It would've been bigger than Fury-Wilder when they were both champions and undefeated and for the undisputed. Still, better late than never. But we'll see if they are really going to face each other next. The WBC already mandated Wilder and Ruiz for the final eliminator which means the winner will face Tyson Fury which is not really cool if we see another Fury-Wilder.   

Probably it's going to happen Joshua's promoter has been entertaining this fight but Joshua wants to regain his confidence so he opted to fight Whyte instead, so if he wins against Whyte and Wilder wins against Ruiz they will face each other, it's not good to see another Fury and Wilder fight, I prefer the Wilder Usyk match the heavyweight division has a lot of great fights coming and there's a lot of new faces and familiar faces coming for the title, expect exciting fights in the heavyweight division.

[Jating]

Lol, even at the press conference, Dillian Whyte ask Eddie Hearn what's the taste of Joshua's ball. Because obviously, Hearn is still on Joshua's bandwagon and wanted to resurrect his career because admit it or not,  he is not longer in his prime with back to back loses to Usyk.

It could have been great if Hearn would answer "salty",  .

But he says that Whyte will have to find it out during their fight.

Anthony Joshua needs to win this fight to meet Deontay Wilder which will be a new down in his challenged career but Dillian Whyte can spoil his day. Derek Chisora who was knocked out by Whyte in 2018 is predicting that although Joshua will find it difficult to win the fight but he would eventually will the match. He is predicting that Joshua will have a slow start but he will gradually improve in the game. One of the reasons he gave for Joshua's difficulty is the long flight from his training ground in Texas to Vegas before taking another eight hours flight to London. Chisora said that the long flights will make him tired which will be an advantage to Dillian Whyte who is training in Florida.

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I guess this fight doesn't need to last long. Typically, in heavyweight fights, the match often ends early due to their knockout power and the potential fatigue that comes with their size as the rounds progress. However, if the fight were to last longer, I believe the advantage would be with the younger boxer, which in this case would be AJ.

We can't really say that because AJ is coming from losses to Usyk. While Dillian could have been in the sunset of his career. Although it has the potential to end in a knockout. But AJ should have the upper hand in as this looks like a tune up fight.

Because we have heard that after this, it will be Wilder in Saudi Arabia. So he better prepare hard on this fight and if he wanted to impress us, then go for knockout. If not, at least dominate Whyte in full 12 rounds and we can say that he has move on already and no longer affected mentally by the Usyk losses.

[Fundamentals Of]

Joshua can't probably repeat what happened when they first met in the ring. If they had a rematch shortly after their first match, Joshua could have easily won it. But since this is 8 years later and Joshua has already suffered the effects of his first loss and also his back-to-back losses against Usyk, he will not be the same very confident guy. This is more of Dillian's bigger chance for a revenge. If Joshua wins, it will probably be a close UD.

Joshua is likely not the same fighter he was when he was undefeated and a champion. Therefore, I honestly believe there's a good chance that Whyte will be able to level the playing field in the rematch. This would make for a more intriguing anticipation, and we might even see a trilogy of fights between them. If AJ were to lose, it would be unlikely for him to pursue a fight with Wilder.

I don't know if a trilogy is necessary or whether it will happen if Dillian will win this fight. I think it will just be a revenge on the part of Whyte II and Joshua's 3-1 record for the past two years would make him less and less of a valuable opponent. The loser of Zhang vs Joyce II match could be next. Or if Deontay will be fighting Ruiz Jr. next, it is possible Joshua will face the loser. If it's Ruiz who will lose, which is more likely, then it's possible to have a different trilogy.

[Kemarit]

Joshua can't probably repeat what happened when they first met in the ring. If they had a rematch shortly after their first match, Joshua could have easily won it. But since this is 8 years later and Joshua has already suffered the effects of his first loss and also his back-to-back losses against Usyk, he will not be the same very confident guy. This is more of Dillian's bigger chance for a revenge. If Joshua wins, it will probably be a close UD.

Joshua is likely not the same fighter he was when he was undefeated and a champion. Therefore, I honestly believe there's a good chance that Whyte will be able to level the playing field in the rematch. This would make for a more intriguing anticipation, and we might even see a trilogy of fights between them. If AJ were to lose, it would be unlikely for him to pursue a fight with Wilder.

I don't know if a trilogy is necessary or whether it will happen if Dillian will win this fight. I think it will just be a revenge on the part of Whyte II and Joshua's 3-1 record for the past two years would make him less and less of a valuable opponent. The loser of Zhang vs Joyce II match could be next. Or if Deontay will be fighting Ruiz Jr. next, it is possible Joshua will face the loser. If it's Ruiz who will lose, which is more likely, then it's possible to have a different trilogy.

Perhaps it was just the circumstances that Dillian Whyte was given another crack of Joshua here. As others have said, it's a faded version of Joshua now but Eddie Hearn needs to find a opponent that can bring back Joshua's confident so Dillian Whyte is a perfect fit for it. Maybe a trilogy can happen, or maybe if Joshua losses here then there's no more Wilder for him in the horizon or even Tyson Fury and it could be over for him. Or least he is now considered just a B-level fighter and just looking for payday before he retires.

[Yamifoud]

Joshua can't probably repeat what happened when they first met in the ring. If they had a rematch shortly after their first match, Joshua could have easily won it. But since this is 8 years later and Joshua has already suffered the effects of his first loss and also his back-to-back losses against Usyk, he will not be the same very confident guy. This is more of Dillian's bigger chance for a revenge. If Joshua wins, it will probably be a close UD.

Joshua is likely not the same fighter he was when he was undefeated and a champion. Therefore, I honestly believe there's a good chance that Whyte will be able to level the playing field in the rematch. This would make for a more intriguing anticipation, and we might even see a trilogy of fights between them. If AJ were to lose, it would be unlikely for him to pursue a fight with Wilder.

I don't know if a trilogy is necessary or whether it will happen if Dillian will win this fight. I think it will just be a revenge on the part of Whyte II and Joshua's 3-1 record for the past two years would make him less and less of a valuable opponent. The loser of Zhang vs Joyce II match could be next. Or if Deontay will be fighting Ruiz Jr. next, it is possible Joshua will face the loser. If it's Ruiz who will lose, which is more likely, then it's possible to have a different trilogy.

Perhaps it was just the circumstances that Dillian Whyte was given another crack of Joshua here. As others have said, it's a faded version of Joshua now but Eddie Hearn needs to find a opponent that can bring back Joshua's confident so Dillian Whyte is a perfect fit for it. Maybe a trilogy can happen, or maybe if Joshua losses here then there's no more Wilder for him in the horizon or even Tyson Fury and it could be over for him. Or least he is now considered just a B-level fighter and just looking for payday before he retires.

It would be a good test for AJ and therefore he needs to win this fight so his name will come out again and people will talk about him. He isn't a champion now so it will not be easy for him to demand a bigger purse, but the moment he earn another championship fight and he could reclaim himself, then maybe he has a shot to be back at the top again.  Slowly but surely and it should start by winning this fight.

[inthelongrun]

I wonder if Wilder is really next but it will be a very interesting fight. It would've been bigger than Fury-Wilder when they were both champions and undefeated and for the undisputed. Still, better late than never. But we'll see if they are really going to face each other next. The WBC already mandated Wilder and Ruiz for the final eliminator which means the winner will face Tyson Fury which is not really cool if we see another Fury-Wilder.   

Probably it's going to happen Joshua's promoter has been entertaining this fight but Joshua wants to regain his confidence so he opted to fight Whyte instead, so if he wins against Whyte and Wilder wins against Ruiz they will face each other, it's not good to see another Fury and Wilder fight, I prefer the Wilder Usyk match the heavyweight division has a lot of great fights coming and there's a lot of new faces and familiar faces coming for the title, expect exciting fights in the heavyweight division.

I have the feeling that Wilder is also yet recovering mentally from his back-to-back brutal losses to Tyson Fury. Though he might have won a first-round KO in his return bout against Helenius, he was the one running backward instead of the other way around. If not for that huge counter, Helenius would've been able to do some damage on Wilder. The Ruiz fight will determine if Wilder is really back to his usual confidence when he was undefeated. And if Wilder wins, he also needs to decide if he goes for AJ or he will rematch Fury for the fourth time.

There are a lot of good fights to happen in this division with Usyk-Fury for the undisputed belts as the biggest. Usyk after Dubois might also get another mandatory from the IBF against the undefeated Filip Hrgovic and the WBO if Joe Joyce wins his rematch against Zhang. Only a unification fight with Fury will excuse Usyk from his mandatories.

[coin-investor]

Perhaps it was just the circumstances that Dillian Whyte was given another crack of Joshua here. As others have said, it's a faded version of Joshua now but Eddie Hearn needs to find a opponent that can bring back Joshua's confident so Dillian Whyte is a perfect fit for it. Maybe a trilogy can happen, or maybe if Joshua losses here then there's no more Wilder for him in the horizon or even Tyson Fury and it could be over for him. Or least he is now considered just a B-level fighter and just looking for payday before he retires.

Whyte is someone who can bring back Joshua in contention or could possibly bring him to retirement so Joshua better be at his best Whyte can still deliver a big surprise, if ever he beats Joshua there could be a trilogy but Joshua will be out of contention and it's going to be a hard climb we have many faces in the heavyweight division that wants to have a crack on the titles held by Fury and Usyk and a loss from Whyte will shut him out, Dubois, Zhang, and Joyce are those up and coming names.

[btc_angela]

Perhaps it was just the circumstances that Dillian Whyte was given another crack of Joshua here. As others have said, it's a faded version of Joshua now but Eddie Hearn needs to find a opponent that can bring back Joshua's confident so Dillian Whyte is a perfect fit for it. Maybe a trilogy can happen, or maybe if Joshua losses here then there's no more Wilder for him in the horizon or even Tyson Fury and it could be over for him. Or least he is now considered just a B-level fighter and just looking for payday before he retires.

Whyte is someone who can bring back Joshua in contention or could possibly bring him to retirement so Joshua better be at his best Whyte can still deliver a big surprise, if ever he beats Joshua there could be a trilogy but Joshua will be out of contention and it's going to be a hard climb we have many faces in the heavyweight division that wants to have a crack on the titles held by Fury and Usyk and a loss from Whyte will shut him out, Dubois, Zhang, and Joyce are those up and coming names.

And maybe bring the best of Joshua as well? Because they have fought already and Joshua win via knockout on the 7th round.

So there might be a big possibility that Joshua is thinking the same, and it he can do that definitely his confidence is back. Yes, they are still in the top echelon of the HW right now. But there are a lot of incoming boxers as well.

Don't forget about Andy Ruiz, he is still very much active and we all know that he dealt Joshua his first lost. Him and Wilder are supposed to fight, but not sure what happens behind the negotiation.

[electronicash]

Perhaps it was just the circumstances that Dillian Whyte was given another crack of Joshua here. As others have said, it's a faded version of Joshua now but Eddie Hearn needs to find a opponent that can bring back Joshua's confident so Dillian Whyte is a perfect fit for it. Maybe a trilogy can happen, or maybe if Joshua losses here then there's no more Wilder for him in the horizon or even Tyson Fury and it could be over for him. Or least he is now considered just a B-level fighter and just looking for payday before he retires.

Whyte is someone who can bring back Joshua in contention or could possibly bring him to retirement so Joshua better be at his best Whyte can still deliver a big surprise, if ever he beats Joshua there could be a trilogy but Joshua will be out of contention and it's going to be a hard climb we have many faces in the heavyweight division that wants to have a crack on the titles held by Fury and Usyk and a loss from Whyte will shut him out, Dubois, Zhang, and Joyce are those up and coming names.

And maybe bring the best of Joshua as well? Because they have fought already and Joshua win via knockout on the 7th round.

So there might be a big possibility that Joshua is thinking the same, and it he can do that definitely his confidence is back. Yes, they are still in the top echelon of the HW right now. But there are a lot of incoming boxers as well.

Don't forget about Andy Ruiz, he is still very much active and we all know that he dealt Joshua his first lost. Him and Wilder are supposed to fight, but not sure what happens behind the negotiation.

it's not in AJ's interest anymore to fight Wilder. he isn't what he was anymore after Ruiz fight. he will be a good training match for Ngannou if he likes but he will retire win or lose against Whyte.  there are great undercard fights though like Mckean and Fisher. it should be a good prospect to bet on.

[inthelongrun]

...there are great undercard fights though like Mckean and Fisher. it should be a good prospect to bet on.

I am expecting another KO win by Johnny Fisher. The main supporting event is what made me curious. I say a lot of guts there by Demsey McKean for taking the fight and many fans are even believing that he can pull a win over The Animal. Props to him for taking this fight but I really doubt there is anyone in boxing right now that can beat Filip especially when he is at his best, except Usyk and Fury which I believe are all 50/50 fights if the bouts are in neutral places. If McKean will be allowed by the referee to bring his dirty tactics, he may survive and bring the fight to a decision but if the referee will make the fight clean, Hrgovic should easily destroy him or put a boxing clinic.

[btc_angela]

Perhaps it was just the circumstances that Dillian Whyte was given another crack of Joshua here. As others have said, it's a faded version of Joshua now but Eddie Hearn needs to find a opponent that can bring back Joshua's confident so Dillian Whyte is a perfect fit for it. Maybe a trilogy can happen, or maybe if Joshua losses here then there's no more Wilder for him in the horizon or even Tyson Fury and it could be over for him. Or least he is now considered just a B-level fighter and just looking for payday before he retires.

Whyte is someone who can bring back Joshua in contention or could possibly bring him to retirement so Joshua better be at his best Whyte can still deliver a big surprise, if ever he beats Joshua there could be a trilogy but Joshua will be out of contention and it's going to be a hard climb we have many faces in the heavyweight division that wants to have a crack on the titles held by Fury and Usyk and a loss from Whyte will shut him out, Dubois, Zhang, and Joyce are those up and coming names.

And maybe bring the best of Joshua as well? Because they have fought already and Joshua win via knockout on the 7th round.

So there might be a big possibility that Joshua is thinking the same, and it he can do that definitely his confidence is back. Yes, they are still in the top echelon of the HW right now. But there are a lot of incoming boxers as well.

Don't forget about Andy Ruiz, he is still very much active and we all know that he dealt Joshua his first lost. Him and Wilder are supposed to fight, but not sure what happens behind the negotiation.

it's not in AJ's interest anymore to fight Wilder. he isn't what he was anymore after Ruiz fight. he will be a good training match for Ngannou if he likes but he will retire win or lose against Whyte.  there are great undercard fights though like Mckean and Fisher. it should be a good prospect to bet on.

But if I'm not mistaken, he still wanted to fight Wilder after this one. And that is why others say that this is just a tune up fight for him because there is something being cooked maybe in December or early next year for Joshua vs Wilder and then Fury vs Usyk.

All of them have fights already in the horizon, although Wilder and Ruiz Jr is not yet set up or in the process of negotiation. So there is a big possibility that this HW fights might be setup by Eddie Hearn later.

[QueenVera]

A rematch is coming between former unified champion Anthony Joshua and Dillian Whyte this coming August 12 at the O2 Arena in the UK. Both fighters are rebuilding but the winner might get an eliminator or even a title shot. Whyte was KO'd by Tyson Fury last year for the WBC belt while AJ has a back-to-back defeat at the hands of unified champion Oleksandr Usyk.   

AJ will remain a favorite in this fight but we better not count out Whyte. AJ is a completely changed fighter which is something Whyte can capitalize on. If AJ continues to try to box, not letting his hands go and Whyte is well-conditioned conditioned for a full fight then it will be a very exciting one. AJ might also get his confidence back knowing he already TKO'd Whyte when both of them are still unbeaten.

I think this anticipated match is going to be very interesting and since it would be held in the UK at the O2 arena it's going to entertaining a lot of fans around the world, I wish I would be opportuned to view it live at the stadium, however it's going to be a tough one for both AJ and whyte both has suffered great loses and would want to prove themselves again, and many would stake on AJ because he's the fan favourite and they feel he'll want to use this opportunity to get back to glory days after being defeated twice by Usyk.

 Of course it's not right to count out Whyte because he could try to capitalise of Joshua's loses against Usky which caused him some emotional breakdown and also try to revenge his defeat in Dec 12, 2015 when he was TKO'd by Joshua but after a comeback win against Jeramin Franklin this April I think Joshua is fully fit and ready to go back to the glory days and only time will tell if we should expect another TKO by Anthony Joshua.

[Yatsan]

They have fought twice already with amature and pro matches, and both of them are knockout experts. As we all know, these two came from a loss on their previous fight but that won't be the bottomline. Both fighters have known each other and their fighting styles which for sure could be the factor to come whoever wins this match. A 2-2 and a 3-3 on there previous matches while they're 1:1 on their previous two fights making this match the tie breaker. I'd be betting that Whyte is more eager to pull this one up. He's a more experienced fighter over Joshua. However, I won't underestimate Joshua's KO rate which should be a threat to white. Will definitely be exciting to watch.