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July 09, 2023, 01:28:28 PM
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There’s still a lot of lands available on other country while highly urbanized country can always import agricultural goods from other country that focus on this as main source of product. Vertical is indeed very popular on highly urbanized area but most of them is just using the goods for their own consumption and not for market distribution.

Maybe in the future this will become popular and a must but right now there’s still a lot of country especially 3rd world country that farming crops for export purposes. Rich country can pay for the export fees since they are getting huge income from taxes of people job on highly urbanized areas. It’s a give and take.
If it includes a broader, it is certainly not good if you meet the needs of your country by only holding on to other countries, utamanaya the third state, it is a narrow thought in my opinion, because if you are too dependent on other countries in this case, your country will is under the influence of other countries and it is not good for the sovereignty of the state because it can be disturbed, over time the exact price of organic food commodities will increase because the narrower production land and demand more, the owner of the goods will ask for more payment, and your country will be very beaten if a significant price increase is implemented.

Like European Union that relies on nickel from Indonesia, then Indonesia is louder to manage it itself, and carry out an export stop policy that makes nickel prices rise, and the European Union can only report and report to the WTO.


This is the price being paid of the countries that focus on urbanization/modernization over agriculture. Also it’s ok for them to rely on 3rd world country goods because they are getting it on cheap price while they can produce this raw products to a valuable item in the market that gives them more profit than the raw goods supplier.

I think problem will only arise if 3rd world country decided to stop their supply but this will not gonna happened since it’s their main source of income.

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July 09, 2023, 02:10:04 PM
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Currently all agricultural fields are competing to be able to get maximum results, then vertical farming is their choice but for some farmers still use the old way so that their yields cannot reach the maximum number, so now is the time for farmers to follow vertical farming because there are so many positive things they can get for example their products can be consistent and greater yields, So it's time to make a change for farmers.
This problem is only on a small scale compared to farming as a whole, I understand why this idea makes sense now that the story of farmland is shrinking and researchers Everyone wants to find new ways of spreading, just like some yielding plants produce yields. I remember there was some research in Africa in the past on banana varieties that can bring a lot of starch to help the African people to cultivate and are suitable in quantity and well adapted to the right climate.
article about this resource or you can find it on many other places will also mention: https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-60074407

So the story of global food is always recognized and appreciated as very important in human life, there are things that are changing more and more making food scarce, but the solutions are still being studied. research because this is a leading issue in society.


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July 09, 2023, 02:29:53 PM
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Currently all agricultural fields are competing to be able to get maximum results, then vertical farming is their choice but for some farmers still use the old way so that their yields cannot reach the maximum number, so now is the time for farmers to follow vertical farming because there are so many positive things they can get for example their products can be consistent and greater yields, So it's time to make a change for farmers.

Vertical farming can be preferred, but first of all, farmers who do normal farming should be helped. The reason why the farmers no longer do agriculture is that it forces them economically. Agriculture should always be supported by the state. If a farmer sells his product with very little profit, he will not be able to produce that product again. Because the merchant earns more than the farmer. The country I live in has had this problem for years. If the state does not support seeds, drugs, and gasoline, agriculture will end in a short time.

In order for the products to be consistent, the farmers need to be supported financially, not the vertical or normal farming separation. You can't expect yields from gardens that do not use pesticides.
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July 09, 2023, 04:17:54 PM
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Currently all agricultural fields are competing to be able to get maximum results, then vertical farming is their choice but for some farmers still use the old way so that their yields cannot reach the maximum number, so now is the time for farmers to follow vertical farming because there are so many positive things they can get for example their products can be consistent and greater yields, So it's time to make a change for farmers.
Only old farmers who are unfamiliar with technology still use traditional farming methods without relying on new methods for their agriculture, so they also have to be satisfied with the results that are not optimal. Meanwhile, farmers who are a little smart in growing crops, of course, will always look for alternatives that make it easier for them to get satisfying yields because sometimes methods or efforts to make maximum yields also have to apply methods that are not so easy for farmers to do.

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July 09, 2023, 05:23:05 PM
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Today, urban land is expensive, scarce, often polluted, and hardly cultivable. Not to mention, even if we shorten the supply chain as much as possible, agricultural products are very perishable. More especially, when we can see that the short-term food shortages during the recent COVID-19 lockdown were most clearly felt among the working class, who make up the vast majority of society, it shows that the sustainable agriculture of the future will not be organic, local, or "natural," but industrialized, scalable, and serving as many people as possible.

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July 09, 2023, 05:49:01 PM
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Land is becoming lesser and not very available for agriculture as before, There is a lot of Urbanization going on and many land space are being built on to carter for the increasing number of persons. There will be lesser organic foods available for consumption as the worlds population increase and farming space reduces. ...//...:::

I'm not going to translate it, what I think of that article, and please, you don't take it the wrong way but also part of your comment regarding and specifically that the space for cultivation is running out, it is "paja".

There are comments, news, (at the time) where it was said or it is even said that the population of the planet is ending up without space to live, blah, blah, blah, I am writing based on mental memories, so GS, maybe I'll go back and leave here the reference of what I mentioned, but what is relevant here is that saying that there is no land for cultivation, really is "paja".

Perhaps what is relevant is to say that water is a very serious problem for the existing crops and that there are many lands with access to a lot of water that are not used, but again do not say that there is no land, it still has a little less "paja", when you saying that vertical cultivation is the solution.

The manpower needed to do the job is another serious problem and in certain countries, a county like Miami is experiencing it, which implemented a harsh law to prevent hiring immigrants, when they are the ones doing the hard work of harvesting the crops. In Spain, for example, the workforce dedicated to this work is foreign and that is a serious problem for the crop, in short, you don't have to "eat" so much "paja" and worst of all, start joining matrixes who certainly fall for fake news.
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July 09, 2023, 06:17:19 PM
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Currently all agricultural fields are competing to be able to get maximum results, then vertical farming is their choice but for some farmers still use the old way so that their yields cannot reach the maximum number, so now is the time for farmers to follow vertical farming because there are so many positive things they can get for example their products can be consistent and greater yields, So it's time to make a change for farmers.

In third-world countries, lots of farmers are not yet exposed to modern farming mechanics like vertical and aeroponic farming systems. They are still believing in the old pattern of farming, which is usually on land, and the reason for that is still because they also have a lot of farm lands that are even wasting away without being cultivated, so even if you try to talk about vertical farming, they will also tell you that they have lands to still cultivate. The major part of the world where this vertical farming system is mostly practised is in the western world, where every land is mostly occupied with houses (lot of building) and roads and there is not much free land for cultivation.


But truth be told, there is usually more food production in vertical farming than in land cultivation.



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Real estate is taking the order of the day and been used for commercialization and business purposes but still, there is enough land enough to produce food for all in a country if there is enough equipment and machinery also needed for employee and employer labor

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July 09, 2023, 11:27:49 PM
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Obviously there continues to be urbanization, establishment of new settlements and development of new towns and cities but still, it’s not well enough to put the future of agriculture at an alarming state.
Food is not a do without and over time, researchers through genetic engineering continue to engineer breeds that would produce food all year round and in great quantity too.

This is out of an understating of the needing population but then, land to cultivate it is hardly the problem as it is, just willing hands to venture into the field.

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The thing is.... urban farming is too small to replace commercial farming. Yes, people can have green houses on the roof top of buildings, but it is only for subsistence farming. (You find this in rural Africa and some third world countries, where they only produce enough food for their own family and not for the rest of the population)

I think the future of farming is in the cultivation of food that needs less space, but with the same output. We now have farmers that are farming with insects as an alternative protein to meat (Cows/Sheep..) It takes a lot less space ...but it yields the same protein as meat.

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July 10, 2023, 07:07:38 AM
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Vertical farming can be preferred, but first of all, farmers who do normal farming should be helped. The reason why the farmers no longer do agriculture is that it forces them economically. Agriculture should always be supported by the state. If a farmer sells his product with very little profit, he will not be able to produce that product again. Because the merchant earns more than the farmer. The country I live in has had this problem for years. If the state does not support seeds, drugs, and gasoline, agriculture will end in a short time.

In order for the products to be consistent, the farmers need to be supported financially, not the vertical or normal farming separation. You can't expect yields from gardens that do not use pesticides.
         When the state ignores farmers, this is a fairly common problem in many countries. They left people not only without support, but also tearing three skins from them. Is this allowed?
         In my country, the price of fuel is constantly rising. Is there any chance, under such a condition, of leaving prices for agricultural products without an increase? A rhetorical question. So far they have not been able to resolve this issue. It is sad to watch how vast areas of the earth are tritely idle.

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July 10, 2023, 07:27:26 AM
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There’s still a lot of lands available on other country while highly urbanized country can always import agricultural goods from other country that focus on this as main source of product. Vertical is indeed very popular on highly urbanized area but most of them is just using the goods for their own consumption and not for market distribution.
It's easier said than done. Importation of agricultural goods will increase the inflation of food items which is at detriment of the poor and average citizens. The purpose of farming is to have something to feed on after harvesting and I don't think there's problem if people are able to farm for self consumption. Everyone should engage in mini farming to feed themselves.

 
There are two places to live in anywhere in the world. Either you live in Rural area or you live in Urban area. Now when someone was living in the rural area and moved down to Urban settlement then the place he or she was living at the rural area became vacancy, so occupying one place gives room to open another place. So that of the rural settlement space can be use has farming.

How convenient and effective do you think this can be? Considering the cost of transportation, the danger associated with transportation and the cost of farm maintenance from the clearing to harvesting. At the end of the day, you'll overspend on the farm with less harvest.
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Real estate is taking the order of the day and been used for commercialization and business purposes but still, there is enough land enough to produce food for all in a country if there is enough equipment and machinery also needed for employee and employer labor

No matter the rate of urbanisation, there is still enough land space for farming. Besides farms are not known to be situated at the peak of the municipal. It is always in the rural dwellings that farms are situated. There is also good road network to link the rural dwellers to the city.

Many countries are going the way of agriculture, and the ones already in agriculture are improving. Urbanisation needs to have equal level of agriculture to match it, because if not so, the country will depend more on importation.

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I think vertical farming is a pretty cool concept! It addresses the challenge of decreasing land availability and offers a sustainable solution for increasing food production. The benefits, like consistent crop production, optimal space usage, and reduced water and chemical usage, make it an attractive option. Plus, cutting down on transportation costs and promoting biodiversity are added bonuses. It definitely has the potential to be the future of farming.
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July 10, 2023, 11:06:14 AM
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The thing is.... urban farming is too small to replace commercial farming. Yes, people can have green houses on the roof top of buildings, but it is only for subsistence farming. (You find this in rural Africa and some third world countries, where they only produce enough food for their own family and not for the rest of the population)

I think the future of farming is in the cultivation of food that needs less space, but with the same output. We now have farmers that are farming with insects as an alternative protein to meat (Cows/Sheep..) It takes a lot less space ...but it yields the same protein as meat.

Yeah the farming of termites as protein is growing gradually and the market for it in Africa is booming. However livestocks like cow and sheep are on high demand lots of people prefer to eat them regardless of the increase in price of such proteins. As for Vertical farming, a good number of households have a garden for farming some vegetables and roots for their own consumption, which also saves them money. Running such a farming system for a large amount of people or community can be very expensive to maintain in terms of maintenance.

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July 10, 2023, 11:53:39 AM
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I think vertical farming is a pretty cool concept! It addresses the challenge of decreasing land availability and offers a sustainable solution for increasing food production. The benefits, like consistent crop production, optimal space usage, and reduced water and chemical usage, make it an attractive option. Plus, cutting down on transportation costs and promoting biodiversity are added bonuses. It definitely has the potential to be the future of farming.

One of the downsides of vertical farming is that the chemicals used on it still need to be sprayed, which means that it still needs to be sprayed chemically to make it grow more because we know that the space of the soil is not that huge, unlike in the open area, but there will be fewer pests that will try to eat the crops, which we mostly noticed in those open areas. Also, it needs to be taken care of, but it is very comfortable. Let's say you just put it in your garage, and you can just take care of it.
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I watched a couple of videos on youtube that did some indoor farming with UV lighting and monitored by a machine. Maybe in the future, there will be dozen of these especially in countries that have 4 seasons or harsh environments.

There is also a technique called Avrivoltaic "Agrivoltaics, agrophotovoltaics, agrisolar, or dual-use solar is the simultaneous use of areas of land for both solar panels and agriculture.[1] Because solar panels and crops must share the sunlight,[2] the design of agrivoltaic facilities may require trading off such objectives as optimizing crop yield, crop quality, and energy production. In some cases crop yield increases due to the shade of the solar panels mitigating some of the stress on plants caused by high temperatures and UV damage.[3]" - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agrivoltaics


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Vertical farming is getting to a very very profitable period. There are some stuff you can't farm with this method, not all food could be done this way, but the ones that can be done will be done like this without a doubt. It just requires a hefty capital to make it big, but if you want to have a very small land, and a very profitable business, you can literally do this and have the best crops and best profits as well.

I have a friend who does this with tomatos for many years now, almost 6 years, and he redid the place probably either 3 or 4 times so far, technology keeps getting developed that fast on vertical farming, and he did all of it with his profits and kept growing it bigger and bigger all the time. It really works, there is no doubt about it.

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July 10, 2023, 05:17:39 PM
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For many countries, agriculture remains an important sector of the economy. Agricultural development contributes to improving people's living standards, creating jobs, and ensuring social security. Investment in agriculture and agricultural upgrading is needed to meet domestic demand and reduce dependence on imports.

Supporting agricultural development in an urbanized environment may require investments in innovative technologies, such as urban or home-grown farming and hydroponics. This can help develop urban space and increase the city's food self-sufficiency, ensuring stable agricultural development without negative impacts on the environment.

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July 10, 2023, 07:37:33 PM
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Land is becoming lesser and not very available for agriculture as before, There is a lot of Urbanization going on and many land space are being built on to carter for the increasing number of persons. There will be lesser organic foods available for consumption as the worlds population increase and farming space reduces. Because of this, there now has to be an improvement in farming methods and I personally consider vertical Farming to be the future of organic food farming.

In vertical farming, Plants are grown in stacked layers under controlled conditions like green house farming.
In vertical farming,
No at the stage of agreeing or not relating to the future of vertical Agriculture in the future, but the availability of land that is trying to be converted causes several obstacles to be implemented. Agricultural experts are trying a new format in the field of agriculture for land conversion solutions. The effect can be precise if managed properly and it also takes a long process to teach it to the common people. The six points you cited do have a positive side to their function, but can optimization for ordinary people who still use traditional Agriculture methods work as expected.

Land use change is increasing and human resources in vertical Farming have not been fully tested in several areas. Accuracy regarding vertical Agriculture will work well as long as socialization can be applied correctly, so that people can use this farming system to the fullest.

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