Do you expect to go to Heaven, when finished here on Earth?

[uchegod-21]

Hi all, here is a two part question:

Do you believe in Heaven?
and,
Do you expect to go to Heaven, when finished here on Earth?

I do not know how all these lies theories came into existence. There are so many different believes and all these believes are attached to religion.

I believe there is no where in the atmosphere or benight the earth called heaven where one being called God is seated on a throne watching what is happening in the world. If there be Heaven it should be the presence of a supreme being called God. Then who is God?
Maybe Jesus was God, Mechisedec was God, Olumba is God and then wherever these being are is automatically called Heaven. This is my personal understanding and it is debatable.

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[jvanname]

Let's put an end to this conversation. YOU ARE GOING TO HELL! YOU ARE ALL GOING TO HELL! You are all going to suffer immensely for all eternity because you are all terrible people. You do not deserve life. You do not deserve love. You hate me because you are evil! You are an absolutely horrible person. You are a Nazi. YOU ARE ALL GOING TO HELL!

[BADecker]

Hi all, here is a two part question:

Do you believe in Heaven?
and,
Do you expect to go to Heaven, when finished here on Earth?

I do not know how all these lies theories came into existence. There are so many different believes and all these believes are attached to religion.

I believe there is no where in the atmosphere or benight the earth called heaven where one being called God is seated on a throne watching what is happening in the world. If there be Heaven it should be the presence of a supreme being called God. Then who is God?
Maybe Jesus was God, Mechisedec was God, Olumba is God and then wherever these being are is automatically called Heaven. This is my personal understanding and it is debatable.

Come on. Fess up. You only talk like that because you want to make everybody think that you are God, right?

[paxmao]

I have no expectations about afterlife, mainly because I have no evidence of any short of afterlife whereas I have plenty of evidence of people not being able to "communicate" after death. Also, most of the organised religions and faith books do not really make any sense beyond requesting fait.

Having said that, there are many things that we do not know about life and nothing we really know about anything after, so I guess anything is possible technically.

[BADecker]

You miss a couple more questions, from the opposite direction. These questions are:
1. Does the universe exit?
2. Does life exist?
The reason why these are important is, nobody can prove them with solid, empirical science.

Big Bang is a fantasy that sounds good to those who need it to believe in. But the science behind BB is so extremely lacking that it is really utter foolishness. Besides, asking any layman to understand the little science there is, makes the whole topic of this question in a public forum to be foolishness.

As far as life goes, the dividing line between something that is dead, and the moment before while it was still alive, hasn't been found. If it is close to being found, it is understood (almost) by a few technical people, but absolutely none of us lay people.

The point of asking these two additional questions is, before we ask about some fanciful place called Heaven, we really need to be afraid, because we don't really know anything about this age.

But take heart. Since this universe and life seem to exist without proof, and without the knowledge of how such could be possible, something like Heaven could exist for the same, unknown reasons.

While it's true that the nature of the universe and the origins of life are complex topics, science continues to explore and uncover new insights. The existence of the universe is supported by a wide range of empirical evidence, from cosmic background radiation to the expansion of space. Regarding life, while the exact line between life and non-life is not yet fully understood, scientists have made significant progress in studying the origins of life through various disciplines such as chemistry, biology, and astrobiology.

The evidence is not empirical because nobody has 'been there' to find all the things that cause the evidence to exist as it does. What is empirical is that certain interpretations have been placed on the evidence to show universal unity in a direction that the 'directors' of the interpretations desire.

Scientific progress is beautiful and wonderful to look at. The scientific failures that led to the progress are rather ugly. Back in the late 1800s, scientists declared that everything worth knowing had been scientifically discovered already. Now we see how far off they were in their interpretations.

Rather than fearing the unknown, we can embrace the wonders of the universe and the potential for discoveries yet to come. Science has a remarkable track record of unraveling mysteries and expanding our knowledge. While we may not have all the answers at present, ongoing research and advancements in technology offer promising avenues for exploring the origins of the universe and the complexity of life.

Fearing the unknown is something that many modern scientists should be doing. Why? Because they have ignored the foundation of all knowledge. Saint Paul shows this when he talks about Jesus:

---   Ephesians 4:10: "He who descended is the very one who ascended higher than all the heavens, in order to fill the whole universe," - https://biblehub.com/ephesians/4-10.htm.

---   Colossians 2:3: "... in whom are hidden all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge," - https://www.biblehub.com/colossians/2-3.htm,

Yet most scientists ignore the source, Jesus, and try to muddle their way through discovery without Him, the only real foundation.

The human thirst for understanding and the quest to explore the unknown have led to remarkable breakthroughs throughout history. It is through scientific inquiry and rigorous investigation that we inch closer to unraveling the mysteries of existence. So, while we may not have definitive answers yet, the pursuit of knowledge and the wonder it brings can lead us to new insights, including the possibility of realms such as Heaven, which may have their own uncharted explanations waiting to be discovered

Science hides a lot of what they find. For example, they have found through the Voyager satellites that they almost don't have a clue as to what the universe is made of. But those who publish what the scientists say about Voyager discoveries, publish those ideas as though they were fact, even though the scientists clearly express them only as ideas.

Consider the Microsphere Nanoscope... a microscope that can see living things in color that were only formerly visible, dead, in an electron microscope. Yet few people talk about the MN, because what it sees is changing the whole understanding of how life works. And no scientist wants his pet ideas to be trampled on, even by the truth.

Part of the reason science is not finding the truth is, they fail to scientifically appropriately explore the foundations of the Bible, God, and the reason for Jesus... Jesus, Who was made to be equal with God, by God Himself.

It's not that God is trying to hide the knowledge of what He does - the making of all of creation. Rather, it's that science is trying to find it out without the correct and proper direction for such finding. Amos 3:7: "Surely the Sovereign LORD does nothing without revealing his plan to his servants the prophets," - https://biblehub.com/amos/3-7.htm. Could it be that the whole creation - God's created universe - is revealed through what He told His servants the prophets? That is something worth scientific investigation!

Time for us to really start getting the correct basis for all scientific study... God's Word first, and then understanding how scientific discoveries match God's Word.

[Odusko]

^^^ If the Good Book is not the Bible, or if it does not express Jesus death and resurrection for salvation, it is not the Good Book. Jesus is the only way to Heaven. Believing Jesus will almost automatically cause one to want to live a better life here on earth.

Jesus the only way and the truth and light, which means that Jesus Christ leads us as Christians to heaven which means we going to be with God the fathers, so for the accusation that Jesus Christ is referred to as the light of God means that believing in him will light our part to heaven from this life and the holy Bible is like heaven constitution and life blueprints that following all the instruction therein would earn the believer heaved as the rewards of that covenant which is written in the Bible

[af_newbie]

1. No. There is no such thing. We know because we went to space to check.

2. When you die, your body decomposes and atoms in your body become part of something else. 'You' don't
'go' anywhere.

A better question is: "What constitutes me/you?"

Is your body, your brain, 'you'?

If you believe that your 'soul' goes to heaven, then your body/brain is not 'you'.
If you follow this logic, 'you' don't exist. At least nobody was able to detect 'you'.

If on the other hand, you consider your body/brain to be 'you', then 'you' definitely don't go anywhere after you die.

PS. What constitutes a 'soul'? What is its chemical composition?

[o48o]

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A better question is: "What constitutes me/you?"
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That's a good question. Is our bacteria part of our psyche if it keeps us alive?

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PS. What constitutes a 'soul'? What is its chemical composition?

Imho that's just our level of self awareness we are calling as a soul or a psyche. Something we have developed over time and i see it as completely physical feature coming from the complexity of our bodies. There's really no evidence for us to assume that it would be anything else, like "spiritual" or "Magical", what ever they might mean to anyone.

[paxmao]

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Science hides a lot of what they find. For example, they have found through the Voyager satellites that they almost don't have a clue as to what the universe is made of. But those who publish what the scientists say about Voyager discoveries, publish those ideas as though they were fact, even though the scientists clearly express them only as ideas.

Consider the Microsphere Nanoscope... a microscope that can see living things in color that were only formerly visible, dead, in an electron microscope. Yet few people talk about the MN, because what it sees is changing the whole understanding of how life works. And no scientist wants his pet ideas to be trampled on, even by the truth.

Part of the reason science is not finding the truth is, they fail to scientifically appropriately explore the foundations of the Bible, God, and the reason for Jesus... Jesus, Who was made to be equal with God, by God Himself.
...

This perfectly proves how people read things they do not have a clue about, they think they got it and get inevitably to the wrong conclusions. Science follows a method that provides some certainties under a certain context of the human understanding, nothing more.

Religion is based on pure dogma. Nothing is proven ever, it is simply said and people are just expected to believe it. As you can see, the "truth" bar is set to a zero level for religion, yet we still the same people who do not question that which is without proof, questioning science which actually does require proof for the conclusions.
 

[BADecker]

...

Science hides a lot of what they find. For example, they have found through the Voyager satellites that they almost don't have a clue as to what the universe is made of. But those who publish what the scientists say about Voyager discoveries, publish those ideas as though they were fact, even though the scientists clearly express them only as ideas.

Consider the Microsphere Nanoscope... a microscope that can see living things in color that were only formerly visible, dead, in an electron microscope. Yet few people talk about the MN, because what it sees is changing the whole understanding of how life works. And no scientist wants his pet ideas to be trampled on, even by the truth.

Part of the reason science is not finding the truth is, they fail to scientifically appropriately explore the foundations of the Bible, God, and the reason for Jesus... Jesus, Who was made to be equal with God, by God Himself.
...

This perfectly proves how people read things they do not have a clue about, they think they got it and get inevitably to the wrong conclusions. Science follows a method that provides some certainties under a certain context of the human understanding, nothing more.

Religion is based on pure dogma. Nothing is proven ever, it is simply said and people are just expected to believe it. As you can see, the "truth" bar is set to a zero level for religion, yet we still the same people who do not question that which is without proof, questioning science which actually does require proof for the conclusions.
 

Proper religion absolutely has proof. Proper science doesn't have proof that can't be changed when necessary. For example...

One, tiny, simple proof for the Bible is the city or Jericho. In the Bible OT it says that the people of Israel marched around ancient Jericho for seven days. Then, on the seventh day, they shouted... and the walls of Jericho fell over flat.

For hundreds of years the city of Jericho was lost to us. Scientists and archaeologists thought that it was a fabrication. Then they found it, with the walls fallen flat, just like the OT says.

The Bible, the most published book, is impossible to exist. Without study into the Bible and how it came about, a person wouldn't understand that it is impossible.

There are parts and scraps from something like 25,000 ancient copies of the New Testament from the first couple hundred years of its existence. The only way people would have made this many copies was if it had happened, and the people were healed like Jesus said. Their healing made them excited enough that they would publish accurate copies at a time when the only way was to copy them by hand.

The science of the late 1800s, when scientists expressed that there was nothing left to discover, shows us that scientific proof isn't being followed. Scientific proof only exists in reality when the science can be demonstrated by engineered results that match the science.

There are many more examples of proof for and against religions and science. The point that comes out of this is that 'science', as the term generally means today, has a meaning similar to the meaning of 'religion'. Sometimes it is difficult to tell which parts of science are not religion, and what parts of religion are not science.

[JackMazzoni]

You will go into nothingness. Just imagine you cannot see, hear, smell, touch or taste.

[af_newbie]

...

Science hides a lot of what they find. For example, they have found through the Voyager satellites that they almost don't have a clue as to what the universe is made of. But those who publish what the scientists say about Voyager discoveries, publish those ideas as though they were fact, even though the scientists clearly express them only as ideas.

Consider the Microsphere Nanoscope... a microscope that can see living things in color that were only formerly visible, dead, in an electron microscope. Yet few people talk about the MN, because what it sees is changing the whole understanding of how life works. And no scientist wants his pet ideas to be trampled on, even by the truth.

Part of the reason science is not finding the truth is, they fail to scientifically appropriately explore the foundations of the Bible, God, and the reason for Jesus... Jesus, Who was made to be equal with God, by God Himself.
...

This perfectly proves how people read things they do not have a clue about, they think they got it and get inevitably to the wrong conclusions. Science follows a method that provides some certainties under a certain context of the human understanding, nothing more.

Religion is based on pure dogma. Nothing is proven ever, it is simply said and people are just expected to believe it. As you can see, the "truth" bar is set to a zero level for religion, yet we still the same people who do not question that which is without proof, questioning science which actually does require proof for the conclusions.
 

Proper religion absolutely has proof. Proper science doesn't have proof that can't be changed when necessary. For example...

One, tiny, simple proof for the Bible is the city or Jericho. In the Bible OT it says that the people of Israel marched around ancient Jericho for seven days. Then, on the seventh day, they shouted... and the walls of Jericho fell over flat.

For hundreds of years the city of Jericho was lost to us. Scientists and archaeologists thought that it was a fabrication. Then they found it, with the walls fallen flat, just like the OT says.

The Bible, the most published book, is impossible to exist. Without study into the Bible and how it came about, a person wouldn't understand that it is impossible.

There are parts and scraps from something like 25,000 ancient copies of the New Testament from the first couple hundred years of its existence. The only way people would have made this many copies was if it had happened, and the people were healed like Jesus said. Their healing made them excited enough that they would publish accurate copies at a time when the only way was to copy them by hand.

The science of the late 1800s, when scientists expressed that there was nothing left to discover, shows us that scientific proof isn't being followed. Scientific proof only exists in reality when the science can be demonstrated by engineered results that match the science.

There are many more examples of proof for and against religions and science. The point that comes out of this is that 'science', as the term generally means today, has a meaning similar to the meaning of 'religion'. Sometimes it is difficult to tell which parts of science are not religion, and what parts of religion are not science.

Don't get me started on the Bible. The most vile book ever written. Why would need "proof for the Bible"? Proof of what?
That it was written by 45+ authors over the course of 2500 years, only to have its 'books/stories' cherry-picked at
the First Council of Nicea in 325 CE. The nastiest book ever written.


https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1367154.msg13910414#msg13910414

[yhiaali3]

For me, as a Muslim, I believe in heaven, but I believe in it in a mystical, spiritual sense, and not in a materialistic sense, as ordinary Muslims or even Christians and Jews understand it.

In short, the real paradise is knowledge, the purity of the soul, its sublimeness, and its purification from all its negative qualities.

[dothebeats]

I mean, in reality that's what we hope for, right? We hope (at least I know most of us do) that there is something or anything beyond the life we are currently living. To believe that there is something more after death somehow gives us the comfort of knowing that the end is not actually the end of everything, that there is still something waiting for us in the "afterlife". Moreover, having the thought that it will be good and peaceful allows a better sense of relief for us, like the promise of having a place of peacefulness and eternal happiness in heaven.

However, do I expect myself to go to Heaven when I'm done with my life here on Earth? Ideally, yes of course I do. Do I deserve it? Probably, but I know there are still those who deserve it more than I do. I guess instead of using the term expectation I'll use hope or even wish. It's hard state an expectation especially when you're not 100% sure that such a thing exist in the first place after all.

[BADecker]

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Proper religion absolutely has proof. Proper science doesn't have proof that can't be changed when necessary. For example...

One, tiny, simple proof for the Bible is the city or Jericho. In the Bible OT it says that the people of Israel marched around ancient Jericho for seven days. Then, on the seventh day, they shouted... and the walls of Jericho fell over flat.

For hundreds of years the city of Jericho was lost to us. Scientists and archaeologists thought that it was a fabrication. Then they found it, with the walls fallen flat, just like the OT says.

The Bible, the most published book, is impossible to exist. Without study into the Bible and how it came about, a person wouldn't understand that it is impossible.

There are parts and scraps from something like 25,000 ancient copies of the New Testament from the first couple hundred years of its existence. The only way people would have made this many copies was if it had happened, and the people were healed like Jesus said. Their healing made them excited enough that they would publish accurate copies at a time when the only way was to copy them by hand.

The science of the late 1800s, when scientists expressed that there was nothing left to discover, shows us that scientific proof isn't being followed. Scientific proof only exists in reality when the science can be demonstrated by engineered results that match the science.

There are many more examples of proof for and against religions and science. The point that comes out of this is that 'science', as the term generally means today, has a meaning similar to the meaning of 'religion'. Sometimes it is difficult to tell which parts of science are not religion, and what parts of religion are not science.

Don't get me started on the Bible. The most vile book ever written. Why would need "proof for the Bible"? Proof of what?
That it was written by 45+ authors over the course of 2500 years, only to have its 'books/stories' cherry-picked at
the First Council of Nicea in 325 CE. The nastiest book ever written.


https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1367154.msg13910414#msg13910414

The Bible has really only ONE purpose. That purpose is to express Jesus-salvation so that people can be saved.

The Council of Nicea didn't cherry-pick the books of the Bible. They simply eliminated the books that weakened or broke the thread of Jesus-salvation. In other words, they purified the Bible as it should have been pure in the first place.

The only real author of the Bible is God. Prophets were the instruments God used to do the writing. Consider...

When God made people, He made them in His image. How does one animate simple material so that it becomes in the real image of the one true God? We can't begin to fathom how this can be done, or what God is really like. But it is God's Spirit in you, that is activating the substance of what you call your spirit and body, to do and think the things that you think you are doing alone.

How much more the prophets who were on God's side and in favor of Him. The Bible is ONE, even though it was written over a bunch of centuries by different authors.


My special point for you is, we are all of the image of God, and the strength of God is working in us... though most of us don't seem to realize it, and though we don't feel like it. For your own sake and life, don't use your God-power to deny yourself out of existence. God doesn't die. Denying yourself simply means that you will no longer be in the presence of Father-God, and Brother-Jesus. If you have dreary periods in life now, think of what it will be like without Him for eternity.

[Jchris50]

Hi all, here is a two part question:

Do you believe in Heaven?
and,
Do you expect to go to Heaven, when finished here on Earth?
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A: Nah, i don't need afterlife. This life is enough for me. Thought of that gives me peace and clarity and understanding that i need to cherish everything i have while i have it. I need to live my life to the end because i have it. While being kind to my family and friends and give my kids a better changes in life than i did.

I used to be religious, but after i understood what void it was filling, getting rid of it really balanced my life to better. I just don't need anyone in the sky watching me. Neither gods or government.

B: What will happen after i die? My body either get burned or buried. I guess my afterlife would feel similar to before i existed. Like nothing.

And you think you've said something right! Let me tell you I do not know your religion but whatever happens afterlife is like a reflection of your life on Earth, so know If you live a life without Good or Allah, so your soul will be without them too after life you most believe in any in your life okay

[Gormicsta]

Certain individuals view Heaven as a place of eternal rest and calm, while others envision it as a place of happy reunions with loved ones. There are also numerous religious beliefs on what Heaven is like. I find it fascinating how various individuals envisage the afterlife based on their beliefs and experiences. And I believe it's intriguing to investigate the many ways individuals think about what occurs after death. So everyone brings their own unique viewpoint to the table on paradise, but as for me, I will go to heaven, which is why I am walking on the bright side of life.

[TEBTC]

Heaven is a utopian place created by the ruling class for the regulation of the masses and I don't think there is any thing about the after life

[Kelward]

Going to heaven or hell fire depends on the believe of every individual, if the person is religious and what they're religious believes are, if a person is not religious, then the concept of going to heaven after death might not appeal to them. As a Christian I believe in afterlife and that righteous people will go there when they die, they might not reunite with their family and friends who died and did not make it to heaven, so for us it's a personal race. Most religions are centered on believes and not facts, so we should be more focused on this present reality in this world to make positive impact by being an example of what we want our world to be.

[BADecker]

Heaven is simply God's home kingdom.

Imagine anything you want about God. He is way greater than our imagination. He is way greater and different than any other 'alien' we think about. In fact, the only reason why we think of Hm like a person is that He came in the form of Jesus, a man, to save us by taking the punishment for our mistakes and disobedience against God, our King.

Since it was God's idea that we go to Heaven, He has made it super easy. Simply believing that He exists, and exists in the form of Jesus, and that He is the One Who is saving us through Jesus... this is what takes us to Heaven. But our faith is weakened when we make mistakes, especially voluntary mistakes.

Perfection, no-death, joy, everything beneficial beyond our imagining... this is what there is for us in Heaven. And faith in Jesus is built by reading, or listening to somebody reading, the Bible... especially the Gospel books - first four in the New Testament.