[BAN APPEAL] UID: 1047338 / 2221175

[examplens]

Because you can't ban HedgeFX if there are still numerous other cases, where the evidence is completely clear, that these Accounts committed Plagiarism. If you ban HedgeFX now but don't ban the open cases of first offener Accounts, that's completely inconsistent.

The forum has always been inconsistent in that regard, this wouldn't be a first. It took us (the Croatian board) 2 years to successfully appeal a ban for one of our quality members.

It is certain that there are plenty of those who have been banned, but have continued with another account and try not to show any connection with their previous appearance here on the forum. Bypassing the rules and I'm not sure that it is possible to prevent such a thing.

I am guessing knowing the right admin or having contact with them over whatever social media they use can speed things up.

The only thing I know is that Cyrus is somewhat present on the unofficial forum Discord channel. Maybe he should try it there. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5247383.0

[SmartGold01]

WHAT I HAVE TO SAY ABOUT P2PFinder: As i wrote, P2Pfinder was created as a "Business Account" just with the hope to promote a trading service. The kind of service offered wasn't appreciated and results wasn't good too. P2PFinder never scammed anyone (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=1047338), but trading results was bad, and this idea was abandoned. Account Was Banned in 2020 - So about 2 year after i registered and started to post with HedgeFx. I don't know the real reason for ban, but i think it was due to some PM i sent to some users or plagiarims (maybe against HedgeFX???) - No message or warnig was sent about ban. I discovered this only at early 2021.

Was it advisable to sent out unsolicited pm to people in the forum without their concept?
To me that alone is a very bad reason, why would send out pm to people randomly without their permission or even keep sending overly. The receiver might get angry and report your account for that singular acts.
But however, is there any rule that says having multiple account prohibited in this forum?

[Pmalek]

But however, is there any rule that says having multiple account prohibited in this forum?

This isn't a question about the right to have multiple accounts or not. Owning alt accounts isn't against any forum rules.
This case is about a person who had one of their forum accounts banned. A ban doesn't apply to just one account, it applies to the person operating it. That means if one of your accounts gets banned, then all of them are banned because you (the person using the accounts) are banned.

[SmartGold01]

But however, is there any rule that says having multiple account prohibited in this forum?

This isn't a question about the right to have multiple accounts or not. Owning alt accounts isn't against any forum rules.
This case is about a person who had one of their forum accounts banned. A ban doesn't apply to just one account, it applies to the person operating it. That means if one of your accounts gets banned, then all of them are banned because you (the person using the accounts) are banned.

I think I keeps learning everyday, never knew about this section of the rules but I am grate is from a reputable member telling me this and again I have added this to my dictionary for future use.
But from what op is saying, there seems to be a big different between the both account as the already ban account was a business account while other was a personal account does this also applicable to both account?
Sorry to ask much because I really want to get a clarification since I don't know everything in the forum.

[SamReomo]

But however, is there any rule that says having multiple account prohibited in this forum?

This isn't a question about the right to have multiple accounts or not. Owning alt accounts isn't against any forum rules.
This case is about a person who had one of their forum accounts banned. A ban doesn't apply to just one account, it applies to the person operating it. That means if one of your accounts gets banned, then all of them are banned because you (the person using the accounts) are banned.

Yes, that's the correct explanation of a ban which isn't even a matter of multiple accounts. There are users on the forum having multiple account and none of them is having any issue with multiple accounts. For example of the most respectable members LoyceV is having an alt account with the name LoyceMobile, and he's using the accounts without any issue because he isn't doing anything that's against the forum rules.

There is no rule which prohibits using of alternative accounts and a user can create and use as many alt-accounts as he/she possibly can. However, if any of the accounts is banned due to rule breaking or any other activity which is strongly prohibited and disliked in this forum, then all of the accounts should stop posting on the forum unless the users creates a ban appeal and the administrators accept that appeal. If a user is still operating any of those accounts even if his/her one account is banned then the person is basically ban evading, and that's not a good act at all.

In this case the HedgeFX's alt-account P2Pfinder was banned from forum, however despite the ban the user was still using the other account without creating a ban appeal for his banned account. In this case we can also conclude that the user was somehow evading the ban. However, I have seen this user posting many good and helpful posts on the forum, and he was using the forum as a good member. He was very active in lending board and he has taken many loans from lenders and repaid with interest on time.

That's why I think a user like HedgeFX deserves a chance, like @1miausaod there are many users which have been reported for plagiarism and some of them are still using the forum without any issues. I think anyone who has been using the forum in a good manner and is helping members of the forum with his/her knowledge should be given a chance after a ban. However, the final decision is always in the hands of the administrators, and if they give this user a chance then he will be able to use the forum once again without any issue, but if they condemned the user then that's also their decision.

[BitcoinGirl.Club]

The banappeals mail you see on the P2Pfinder account is probably no longer valid. Try contacting cryptios via the mail given in this topic. But don't expect a reply, I don't think they has access to a 3 years old report.

The account recovery team is only limited to recover hacked, lost accounts? I hope they are not. They did a great job when I had my account hacked.

My position: no ban for HedgeFX.  

It was obvious that the user had no idea how ban thing works or in other thread he would not tell everything openly. At least for the honesty he should not be banned. Although it looks like a clear ban evasion case. We are people, the average people, who make mistakes but as long as we are honest we should get our chances.

I vouch your thought too.

[CYBER_COWBOY]

HedgeFx / P2P / hedge / hedgepay etc has been building this scam undetected for the last nine years and is well and truly guilty of ban evasion.  Their profile isn't for personal use. Never was.

What scam? I can't see HedgeFx has done any scam on this website until days date, to his trading business is a huge "!!" its not any 100% proof for a scam.
Just because you are a bad trader and liar does not mean you are a scammer.

You was removed from DT list for your inconsistent accusations, and in this post you confirm what kind of person you are.

You accusing me to be related with other accounts HFS / hedge / hedgepay etc only by the name. I’m not relate with this. I’ve no idea who they are or what they do. Is the same as I accuse you of being connected with all accounts containing the word “time” or “lord” : no , I’m not so stupid - you are such stupid.

Again you accuse me of scam that are only in your fantasy. You continue to write that I scam people only because you hate me. This kind of accusation will drive you so far from be a trustable member , and each stupid accusations you wrote put the DT list so far from you.

You complain so much about Timelord's behaviour but you act the same way yourself when you got questions about your very strange questionable "trading business".

CONCLUSION There was no intention to evade the BAN. The accounts posted at different times and before the BAN. I hope I have been exhaustive enough, and I remain available for any advice.

If you would not have any intentions, then you should have log out from here and stop using this forum long time ago.



I don't think you should get banned for this, and I don't think you will, but should you? Maybe....


BUT if its for this reason:

You may have been banned for plagiarism your own post. But there is a problem :
The first post is from P2Pfinder: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2572722.msg26208188#msg26208188
The 2nd post is from HedgeFx: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5203031.msg53128526#msg53128526 / https://ninjastic.space/post/53128526
Logically, it's the HedgeFx account that would have been banned for plagiarism.

P2Pfinder's last post was made before the creation of the HedgeFx account, so it's unlikely that P2Pfinder plagiarized a post from HedgeFx.

The banappeals mail you see on the P2Pfinder account is probably no longer valid. Try contacting cryptios via the mail given in this topic. But don't expect a reply, I don't think they has access to a 3 years old report.

At least in my opinion (that is not worth anything); You should definitely not get banned for plagiarism yourself, if this it's true, that is only a if it's is.

[Timelord2067]

WHAT I HAVE TO SAY ABOUT HedgeFx: HedgeFx was created as personal account.

But however, is there any rule that says having multiple account prohibited in this forum?

This isn't a question about the right to have multiple accounts or not. Owning alt accounts isn't against any forum rules.

This case is about a person who had one of their forum accounts banned. A ban doesn't apply to just one account, it applies to the person operating it. That means if one of your accounts gets banned, then all of them are banned because you (the person using the accounts) are banned.

I think I keeps learning everyday, never knew about this section of the rules but I am grate is from a reputable member telling me this and again I have added this to my dictionary for future use.
But from what op is saying, there seems to be a big different between the both account as the already ban account was a business account while other was a personal account does this also applicable to both account?
Sorry to ask much because I really want to get a clarification since I don't know everything in the forum.

The second account was never a personal account.  If you look at bitcoin dot com you will see twice a user "HedgeFx" starts an identical thread to the banned P2Pfinder - the first just ninety minutes after two were created in different sections of the forum here.

2017-12-12 bitcointalk dot org (by P2pfinder)

• ?? HedgeFX Trading & Investments ?? 2017-12-12 15:26:19 UTC (Securities section) - Archive [1] [2]
• [ANN] ?? HedgeFX Trading & Investments ?? 2017-12-12 15:28:07 UTC (Service announcements section) - Archive [1] [2]

bitcoin dot com (90 minutes later) (by HedgeFx) Tue Dec 12, 2017 4:59 pm

[ANN] ⚡️ HedgeFX Trading & Investments ⚡️ - Archive [1] [2]



Same use of email the two UID use here hedgefx@tuta.io and the same twitter account https://twitter.com/HedgeCryFx - we also have a sample of their handwriting and their Exness Ltd account number ( 7425727 ) - (It'd be funny if HedgeFx is an employee of Exness Ltd and using their work computers for a little bit of trading on the side) 


The second time user HedgeFx starts the thread on bitcoin dot com was in July 2018

⚡️ HedgeFX Trading & Investments ⚡️ - Archive [1] [2]



November 2019 here on the Forum by HedgeFx.

On the 2019-11-20 12:16:59 UTC HedgeFX starts a thread which is an exact copy of the two threads started by P2Pfinder

?? HedgeFX Service??

It was scraped by Ninja when the post occurred here: https://ninjastic.space/post/53128526

Remember this:

Account was registered on June 2018 ((https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=1047338) and it became my only account, as I preferred to use my name directly to offer my trading services.

HedgeFx was created     2018-06-19, 21:50:33 and a month later on bitcoin dot com the "other" HedgeFx re-posts the P2Pfinder thread but it would be nearly 18 months before *this* HedgeFx gets around to revisiting that thread which contradicts their assertion of offering their services here with the new account.


If HedgeFx is such a great guy he should repay the outstanding loan immediately and await judgement (or is he afraid he'll be banned once the loan(s) are repaid ??)

[HedgeFx]

Again, you wrote a non sense that your actions are made only by hate.

I’m free to act on Bitcoin . Com or on other forum with username as I want, and there HedgeFx was only to promote a service.

As you can see on Bitcoin. Com Hedgefx made few posts Long time ago. Don’t have a feeling (as many users here) with Bitcoin. Com .

You made other accusations ( exness employee) that proof as out of mind you are.

Stop to make inconsistent accusations against me.

WHAT I HAVE TO SAY ABOUT HedgeFx: HedgeFx was created as personal account.

But however, is there any rule that says having multiple account prohibited in this forum?

This isn't a question about the right to have multiple accounts or not. Owning alt accounts isn't against any forum rules.

This case is about a person who had one of their forum accounts banned. A ban doesn't apply to just one account, it applies to the person operating it. That means if one of your accounts gets banned, then all of them are banned because you (the person using the accounts) are banned.

I think I keeps learning everyday, never knew about this section of the rules but I am grate is from a reputable member telling me this and again I have added this to my dictionary for future use.
But from what op is saying, there seems to be a big different between the both account as the already ban account was a business account while other was a personal account does this also applicable to both account?
Sorry to ask much because I really want to get a clarification since I don't know everything in the forum.

The second account was never a personal account.  If you look at bitcoin dot com you will see twice a user "HedgeFx" starts an identical thread to the banned P2Pfinder - the first just ninety minutes after two were created in different sections of the forum here.

2017-12-12 bitcointalk dot org (by P2pfinder)

• ?? HedgeFX Trading & Investments ?? 2017-12-12 15:26:19 UTC (Securities section) - Archive [1] [2]
• [ANN] ?? HedgeFX Trading & Investments ?? 2017-12-12 15:28:07 UTC (Service announcements section) - Archive [1] [2]

bitcoin dot com (90 minutes later) (by HedgeFx) Tue Dec 12, 2017 4:59 pm

[ANN] ⚡️ HedgeFX Trading & Investments ⚡️ - Archive [1] [2]



Same use of email the two UID use here hedgefx@tuta.io and the same twitter account https://twitter.com/HedgeCryFx - we also have a sample of their handwriting and their Exness Ltd account number ( 7425727 ) - (It'd be funny if HedgeFx is an employee of Exness Ltd and using their work computers for a little bit of trading on the side)  


The second time user HedgeFx starts the thread on bitcoin dot com was in July 2018

⚡️ HedgeFX Trading & Investments ⚡️ - Archive [1] [2]



November 2019 here on the Forum by HedgeFx.

On the 2019-11-20 12:16:59 UTC HedgeFX starts a thread which is an exact copy of the two threads started by P2Pfinder

?? HedgeFX Service??

It was scraped by Ninja when the post occurred here: https://ninjastic.space/post/53128526

Remember this:

Account was registered on June 2018 ((https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=1047338) and it became my only account, as I preferred to use my name directly to offer my trading services.

HedgeFx was created     2018-06-19, 21:50:33 and a month later on bitcoin dot com the "other" HedgeFx re-posts the P2Pfinder thread but it would be nearly 18 months before *this* HedgeFx gets around to revisiting that thread which contradicts their assertion of offering their services here with the new account.


If HedgeFx is such a great guy he should repay the outstanding loan immediately and await judgement (or is he afraid he'll be banned once the loan(s) are repaid ??)

[Pmalek]

But from what op is saying, there seems to be a big different between the both account as the already ban account was a business account while other was a personal account does this also applicable to both account?

The reasons why the accounts were created and how they are being used doesn't matter. Like I said, what matters is the person behind them.

Imagine that a user has 4 Bitcointalk accounts.
- Main account
- Account they use when they are on the phone
- Account for when they are travelling and outside of the country
- Business account

If any of the 4 accounts gets banned, the ban will apply to all accounts. The account owner and all their forum activities are affected by that ban, not just what they do with one account. That's the theory. In practice, it may look different.

[Findingnemo]

Considering how many first offender accounts are still not banned, even if there's crystal clear evidence, like here, here or here, banning HedgeFX after his alt P2Pfinder got already banned, would be very inconsistent. Even first offenders don't get banned if there's crystal clear evidence.

Basically, P2Pfinder / HedgeFX got his initial punishment already by getting P2Pfinder banned and after that, HedgeFX learned from that mistake.
In my opinion, there's enough punishment already by banning P2Pfinder.
I'm not a friend of this ban evasion rules anyways, especially because it has been enforced on a very irregular basis and it's pointless for this autoban bullshit anyways.

And with all those first offender accounts still not banned, banning HedgeFX and basically giving a double punishment to OP, would be very inconsistent in my opinion.

So the right thing is to ban all the offenders who violated the plagiarism rule and if the admin or Global mod thinks that the person may deserve a second chance due to the contribution towards the forum then they can give an excuse for them.

Probably mods missed those reports that is why bthose users are yet to be banned but if we report them then it is likely to receive their perma ban. Well, let's see what is the opinion of mod about this cases!

[Solosanz]

So the right thing is to ban all the offenders who violated the plagiarism rule and if the admin or Global mod thinks that the person may deserve a second chance due to the contribution towards the forum then they can give an excuse for them.

Probably mods missed those reports that is why bthose users are yet to be banned but if we report them then it is likely to receive their perma ban. Well, let's see what is the opinion of mod about this cases!

There's no way for the mods to miss those reports, if they miss it they should be fired because they're not professional. Most of the case when you report the plagiarized post, the mods will delete it, but they will not ban the account especially if the account is high rank.

I can understand about the second chance, but I still remember there was an user plagiarized 7 posts and the reporter post in the different time frame. That's like the mods give the user for third chance, obviously not fair with user which get banned easily by plagiarized one short post.

[Findingnemo]

There's no way for the mods to miss those reports, if they miss it they should be fired because they're not professional. Most of the case when you report the plagiarized post, the mods will delete it, but they will not ban the account especially if the account is high rank.

I can understand about the second chance, but I still remember there was an user plagiarized 7 posts and the reporter post in a different time frame. That's like the mods give the user for third chance, obviously not fair with user which get banned easily by plagiarized one short post.

Handling a report is not an easy task for the mod especially if its related to plagiarism cause they need to be sure that its actually plagiarized content with clear evidence it is going to be easy for them however due to the load they might miss it, imagine they need to review thousands of reports every day for various reasons.

AFAIK, once the mod confirms the content is completely plagiarized with intention not by mistake the post will be deleted along with permanent ban, no warning as far as I remember.

[HedgeFx]

- Maybe off topic, but not sure -

This confirm that Timelord post all only with the hope that I don’t repay the loan.
No worries bro (Timelord), I’m in touch with lender on telegram, so ban or not ban the loan will be repaid, and you will remain a poor looser ( far far away from DT trust list).

If HedgeFx is such a great guy he should repay the outstanding loan immediately and await judgement (or is he afraid he'll be banned once the loan(s) are repaid ??)

[SmartGold01]

But from what op is saying, there seems to be a big different between the both account as the already ban account was a business account while other was a personal account does this also applicable to both account?

The reasons why the accounts were created and how they are being used doesn't matter. Like I said, what matters is the person behind them.

Imagine that a user has 4 Bitcointalk accounts.
- Main account
- Account they use when they are on the phone
- Account for when they are travelling and outside of the country
- Business account

If any of the 4 accounts gets banned, the ban will apply to all accounts. The account owner and all their forum activities are affected by that ban, not just what they do with one account. That's the theory. In practice, it may look different.

Now I understand, I think there are lot of people are yet to get this part of the rules.
But if may also asked again what about their businesses that is ongoing here in the forum maybe there are some people who already negotiated on a deal with would their clients be affected as well, Like, after their business account is being ban and no means of communication won't they label the account owner as scammer?
Sorry I am really disturbing you with question, and let see what could be the end result from the mod and admin.

[rat03gopoh]

But from what op is saying, there seems to be a big different between the both account as the already ban account was a business account while other was a personal account does this also applicable to both account?

It's just a classification made by the account owner, the forum rules won't take that into consideration, basically the violator is the same people using those accounts.
After all, accounts that are active now are also used for business if I look at the post history.

[Timelord2067]

The OP themself said their *cough* business venture was an abject failure so the only achievement to their name is a hand full of merits and a history of overdue loans mostly taken out hours after they repaid the previous loans (an indication of a gambling habit and or living beyond their means if nothing else)

[nutildah]

The OP themself said their *cough* business venture was an abject failure so the only achievement to their name is a hand full of merits and a history of overdue loans mostly taken out hours after they repaid the previous loans (an indication of a gambling habit and or living beyond their means if nothing else)

What is your obsession with smearing the reputation of this user? It's already cost you a good chunk of your own reputation, yet you continue to dig the hole deeper. What they take loans for is none of your business.

For everyone else reading this: this is a prime example of how not to act on this forum. Nobody who has not broken any law or scammed anyone deserves to have their privacy invaded and their reputation smeared like this. Don't be a Timelord.

[HedgeFx]

Liar. Liar and looser.

You are not satisfied , true? https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1926895.msg62553126#msg62553126

Looser, again

The OP themself said their *cough* business venture was an abject failure so the only achievement to their name is a hand full of merits and a history of overdue loans mostly taken out hours after they repaid the previous loans (an indication of a gambling habit and or living beyond their means if nothing else)

[CryptoHFs]

Liar. Liar and looser.

You are not satisfied , true? https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1926895.msg62553126#msg62553126

Looser, again

The OP themself said their *cough* business venture was an abject failure so the only achievement to their name is a hand full of merits and a history of overdue loans mostly taken out hours after they repaid the previous loans (an indication of a gambling habit and or living beyond their means if nothing else)

If resharing my own content considered as a palagrism that would be a stupid thing.

And it's not true because willi already posted his group run text more than 43 times and it's going fine.