loginsam45 and his alleged alt-accounts: ltcrstrbrt, GigaBit and bluedeep

[JollyGood]

loginsam45 has stated in a different unrelated thread that he has several alt-accounts and as a result some that thread is now being taken off-topic. In order to keep the conversation specific to the subject I have opted for this thread.

What can be stated is loginsam45 has not provided any evidence he was duped out of the accounts he claimed he operated. Before consideration is given to tagging all four mentioned accounts there should be a period to allow them all to reply confirming or refuting what loginsam45 has claimed.

I ask ltcrstrbrt, GigaBit and bluedeep to add their views as soon as possible. I also ask loginsam45 to explain in as much detail as possible:

1) Why he claims he operated the three accounts that were stolen from him
2) How were these accounts stolen by his friend
3) What is the forum member name of this friend
4) Why was he operating the three accounts in the first place
5) Does he have any other accounts he is still controlling/operating
6) Are speeder and Averim connected within the account farming
7) What he means when he stated he wants justice. Clarify what he means by justice

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Sharing the link of my accounts
1. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=214323
2. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=198112
3. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=236814

So, why don't you share us names those accounts that were allegedly stolen from you, but this time provide a proper evidence for your claims.

Can you help me get my accounts back if I share the names of my accounts?

@JollyGood You have taken a good initiative I think there are some other DT members including you for whom this forum no longer has trading accounts like it used to.  Such warnings will stop corruption from the forum.  I think you took strict action against those who bought and sold accounts in 2022, for which now the forum is much stronger.

In my opinion, you are no stranger or new to this forum, because you already know about trading, JollyGood and DT.
New newbies don't know anything about it, only those who have been here for a long time know all that, in future if you find alt cheats in the campaign, try to post with your main account and mark them as cheaters.

Yes you are right I am not new in this forum. I had many accounts in this forum but they are no longer under my control. My close friend cheated me and took the accounts for which I don't have high rank account now. For which I am posting with this newbie account. I have been back to the forum for three days.

This account was up for sale on the exact date it woke up.
The seller sold this account without removing or updating the selling thread. Clicking on Merit and Trust from the sell thread will redirect you to this account. Can someone verify before the seller remove the thread?

He does seem to have any posted Bitcoin address in the different boards, but I do see an Ethereum address posted back in 2017 for a bounty campaign

Irfan please update my ETH address on Blog form ( position 158)

ETH address: 0x4320379558e74800b37114848e7905695c33624A
Thank you!

Maybe the person could try using a message from the address to prove that it didn't change hands.

This account has changed hands. My 3 accounts have been taken by my friend by cheating me. I want justice for this.

Ask those who are using my accounts to sign the address message. If they can sign the address message, then I will never come to this forum again.

[loginsam45]

{
  "address": "0x4320379558e74800b37114848e7905695c33624A",
  "msg": "My Account 1. ltcrstrbrt 2. GigaBit 3. bluedeep\n I am the original owner of this account\n @JollyGood You investigate it properly\n\n Dated 21-07-2023",
  "sig": "0xd5cb38c0ee532eb6ec4b28c17ba8924c696f838e1b78cda49751d74024a80dca528047651eedc e6e496fa81b1ae5517d0108823f879fc3ba590589790d1a6c5a1b",
  "version": "2"
}

[light_warrior]

{
  "address": "0x4320379558e74800b37114848e7905695c33624A",
  "msg": "My Account 1. 2. GigaBit 3. bluedeep\n I am the original owner of this account\n @JollyGood You investigate it properly\n\n Dated 21-07-2023",
  "sig": "0xd5cb38c0ee532eb6ec4b28c17ba8924c696f838e1b78cda49751d74024a80dca528047651eedc e6e496fa81b1ae5517d0108823f879fc3ba590589790d1a6c5a1b",
  "version": "2"
}

Your signature doesn't check out. You've made a mistake somewhere. So you're gonna have to re-sign the message. And be more careful when you sign the message. And also, I am interested in why you added these accounts -  ltcrstrbrt and GigaBit - to your message? After all, they did not use this address on the forum. In any case, I did not find any mention of this address in the posts of these two accounts. This address is mentioned only in your posts and bluedeep's posts.

So you are trying to deceive the community that these two accounts belong to you. Sign your posts with the addresses that mention these two accounts in their posts on the forum

ltcrstrbrt  - https://ninjastic.space/addresses?author=ltcrstrbrt
GigaBit - https://ninjastic.space/addresses?author=GigaBit

[loginsam45]

My account ltcrstrbrt, GigaBit,  bluedeep
   I am the real owner of these account. i lost wallet address which i used in this two accounts ltcrstrbrt & GigaBit. but i can proof by another way thats account now using another user which means those account got hacked /sold

   @JollyGood are you investigate correctly?

bluedeep - (I have already signed a message for Ethereum wallet which wallet i was used before 2017)

GigaBit - ( Check the different of post quality till 2018 and from 2022
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=198112;sa=showPosts;start=980

New user active the account and jumped for signature campaign and till now this account are begin use for signature campaign)

ltcrstrbrt - ( i will post a valid proof for this too soon)

[Halab]

I'm not going to solve the mystery, but I will give you a little info : I see bluedeep account banned. BPIP, LoyceV's tools, modlog, the Staff section don't give me more info. Maybe a temp ban.

2) How were these accounts stolen by his friend

I will add "How and when these accounts stolen by his friend". It could be important.

[lovesmayfamilis]

It is not entirely clear that the GigaBit account belongs to the other two. From the very beginning, he does not hide the fact that he lives in Canada. But the quality of the posts is different from what it was in the beginning and what he writes about mining now. Now, this is not written by the miner. I agree that the account changed hands.
The other two belong to the Romanian local section, but it is difficult to link them to the first one.
Communication in Romanian ceases in 2018 at bluedeep. ltcrstrbrt writes in Romanian this year as well.
But I didn't find a word in Romanian on GigaBit.

I live in Canada, import under my corporate name AND have a UPS importer account.  All three are really nice savings

Buna, numele meu este Paul , Am fost pasionat de Bitcoin de cativa ani  si am decis cu cateva luni in urma sa creez o moneda plina de succes. Sunt programator atestat C#  si Xamarin Mobile Apps .

[FatFork]

My account ltcrstrbrt, GigaBit,  bluedeep
   I am the real owner of these account. i lost wallet address which i used in this two accounts ltcrstrbrt & GigaBit. but i can proof by another way thats account now using another user which means those account got hacked /sold
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Nothing you've given us so far confirms your story.

light_warrior has already pointed out that your signature doesn't check out.


https://app.mycrypto.com/verify-message

And since you say that you lost the wallet address that was used by two accounts, ltcrstrbrt & GigaBit, how do you intend to prove that you were their previous owner?

[holydarkness]

Just passing by, please ignore me, I am currently not interested on this case as I have other things to attend, as well as not gonna draw any conclusion about loginsam45, nor that I've ever have to verify a signed message, but tweaking with it a little, the error made on the signing message seems because somehow when he posted his reply, there's space between "eedc" and "e6e4", where it should be a complete line without any space. Not sure why when we quote his post it'll show that the line is uninterrupted, but upon being posted, it'll be broken into two line [the image I show will describe better]

{
  "address": "0x4320379558e74800b37114848e7905695c33624A",
  "msg": "My Account 1. ltcrstrbrt 2. GigaBit 3. bluedeep\n I am the original owner of this account\n @JollyGood You investigate it properly\n\n Dated 21-07-2023",
  "sig": "0xd5cb38c0ee532eb6ec4b28c17ba8924c696f838e1b78cda49751d74024a80dca528047651eedc e6e496fa81b1ae5517d0108823f879fc3ba590589790d1a6c5a1b",
  "version": "2"
}

This line, upon being pasted into https://app.mycrypto.com/verify-message, will also have a space, as shown on FatFork's screenshot as well as mine below, and removing that space will validate the message, as shown on the image next to it:



That said, and as I previously said that this is the first time I have to verify a signed message, so I am not well versed on this matter, I am not sure if the message should only be verified by "mycrypto" or if other platform will also work, but I try to verify it on etherscan as a doublecheck and it turned invalid,




Edit:

Ok, found it, tweak it out a little, have a feeling that the error is in the message and trying to figure out how the message supposed to be written. "\n" is an line break [enter] --this I figured quite fast-- but I also automatically ignore the space next to the line break, for example in the word "... bluedeep\n I am...", I tried to make them as "... bluedeep[enter]I am", ignoring and deliberately deleting the space between "\n" and "I" where it should be "... bluedeep[enter][space]I am ..." because... who the hell add a space right after a line break?

The whole message body to be pasted to etherscan should be as below:

My Account 1. ltcrstrbrt 2. GigaBit 3. bluedeep
 I am the original owner of this account
 @JollyGood You investigate it properly

 Dated 21-07-2023

and it's validated:

[JollyGood]

@JollyGood are you investigate correctly?

You should provide evidence of your claim and you should also answer the questions in the OP:

I ask ltcrstrbrt, GigaBit and bluedeep to add their views as soon as possible. I also ask loginsam45 to explain in as much detail as possible:

1) Why he claims he operated the three accounts that were stolen from him
2) How were these accounts stolen by his friend
3) What is the forum member name of this friend
4) Why was he operating the three accounts in the first place
5) Does he have any other accounts he is still controlling/operating
6) Are speeder and Averim connected within the account farming
7) What he means when he stated he wants justice. Clarify what he means by justice

2) How were these accounts stolen by his friend

I will add "How and when these accounts stolen by his friend". It could be important.

I would like to know which information you have collated, hopefully it will shed some light on what is turning out to be a bizarre series of allegations which at the moment loginsam45 is failing to provide evidence to back-up his claim.

It is not entirely clear that the GigaBit account belongs to the other two. From the very beginning, he does not hide the fact that he lives in Canada. But the quality of the posts is different from what it was in the beginning and what he writes about mining now. Now, this is not written by the miner. I agree that the account changed hands.
The other two belong to the Romanian local section, but it is difficult to link them to the first one.
Communication in Romanian ceases in 2018 at bluedeep. ltcrstrbrt writes in Romanian this year as well.
But I didn't find a word in Romanian on GigaBit.

Would you be more inclined to say it was either a clever attempt at misdirection or something far less sinister such as being innocent of the allegation made by loginsam45?

And since you say that you lost the wallet address that was used by two accounts, ltcrstrbrt & GigaBit, how do you intend to prove that you were their previous owner?

This thread has given loginsam45 the platform to express his views and to provide evidence to substantiate his allegations. He has not even taken advantage of that by making a single coherent post.

I am baffled that all of a sudden, the member (loginsam45) that was posting words and sentences with a high degree of accuracy, is now post incoherent ramblings instead of providing evidence supporting his allegations.

[GigaBit]

@JollyGood are you investigate correctly?

You should provide evidence of your claim and you should also answer the questions in the OP:

I ask ltcrstrbrt, GigaBit and bluedeep to add their views as soon as possible. I also ask loginsam45 to explain in as much detail as possible:

1) Why he claims he operated the three accounts that were stolen from him
2) How were these accounts stolen by his friend
3) What is the forum member name of this friend
4) Why was he operating the three accounts in the first place
5) Does he have any other accounts he is still controlling/operating
6) Are speeder and Averim connected within the account farming
7) What he means when he stated he wants justice. Clarify what he means by justice

2) How were these accounts stolen by his friend

I will add "How and when these accounts stolen by his friend". It could be important.

I would like to know which information you have collated, hopefully it will shed some light on what is turning out to be a bizarre series of allegations which at the moment loginsam45 is failing to provide evidence to back-up his claim.

It is not entirely clear that the GigaBit account belongs to the other two. From the very beginning, he does not hide the fact that he lives in Canada. But the quality of the posts is different from what it was in the beginning and what he writes about mining now. Now, this is not written by the miner. I agree that the account changed hands.
The other two belong to the Romanian local section, but it is difficult to link them to the first one.
Communication in Romanian ceases in 2018 at bluedeep. ltcrstrbrt writes in Romanian this year as well.
But I didn't find a word in Romanian on GigaBit.

Would you be more inclined to say it was either a clever attempt at misdirection or something far less sinister such as being innocent of the allegation made by loginsam45?

And since you say that you lost the wallet address that was used by two accounts, ltcrstrbrt & GigaBit, how do you intend to prove that you were their previous owner?

This thread has given loginsam45 the platform to express his views and to provide evidence to substantiate his allegations. He has not even taken advantage of that by making a single coherent post.

I am baffled that all of a sudden, the member (loginsam45) that was posting words and sentences with a high degree of accuracy, is now post incoherent ramblings instead of providing evidence supporting his allegations.

Anyone is welcome to file their complaint but I am truly astonished by how openly he discusses his alternate accounts, a behavior that I have never witnessed before. If he can provide valid evidence, then undoubtedly, he will be able to recover his accounts accordingly. To be a newbie he is raising allegations without evidence. He also shared misinformation. Now, it's up to you how evaluate the condition.

[_BlackStar]

Anyone is welcome to file their complaint but I am truly astonished by how openly he discusses his alternate accounts, a behavior that I have never witnessed before. If he can provide valid evidence, then undoubtedly, he will be able to recover his accounts accordingly.

I can truly say that newbie are making false claims if you make a disclaimer by signing your old bitcoin address before you change the account password. That's one of the best ways to make a disclaimer - but I don't have to force you to.

There are some old wallets you used in 2015 - if something never happened to you and the file store you should be able to sign messages from those addresses.

[JollyGood]

Was it necessary to quote the whole long detailed OP in order to make a post just for the sake of your 2 1/2 line post?
 
1) Are you the person who created the GigaBit account?
2) Did you ever buy, sell or hack the GigaBit account?
3) Did you ever buy, sell or hack any other forum account?
4) In your opinion why would loginsam45 state the account is his not yours?
5) Explain what you mean by loginsam45 sharing misinformation

You state loginsam45 shared misinformation but you ask others to evaluate the situation when you yourself have not elaborated on it. Now that you have finally made an appearance here, kindly stop the cryptic messages and be direct with your comments.

Anyone is welcome to file their complaint but I am truly astonished by how openly he discusses his alternate accounts, a behavior that I have never witnessed before. If he can provide valid evidence, then undoubtedly, he will be able to recover his accounts accordingly. To be a newbie he is raising allegations without evidence. He also shared misinformation. Now, it's up to you how evaluate the condition.

[GigaBit]

Was it necessary to quote the whole long detailed OP in order to make a post just for the sake of your 2 1/2 line post?
 
1) Are you the person who created the GigaBit account?
2) Did you ever buy, sell or hack the GigaBit account?
3) Did you ever buy, sell or hack any other forum account?
4) In your opinion why would loginsam45 state the account is his not yours?
5) Explain what you mean by loginsam45 sharing misinformation

You state loginsam45 shared misinformation but you ask others to evaluate the situation when you yourself have not elaborated on it. Now that you have finally made an appearance here, kindly stop the cryptic messages and be direct with your comments.

Are you the person who created the GigaBit account?

Yes, I am the real owner.

Did you ever buy, sell or hack the GigaBit account?

Definitely not

Did you ever buy, sell or hack any other forum account?

I only use my BitcoinTalk account. I am not a hacker, so any accusation of hacking other accounts on the forum that i will not accept.

In your opinion why would loginsam45 state the account is his not yours?

Anyone can claim something, but without evidence, everything becomes meaningless. I will challenge him to prove that it is his account. If I make a complaint, then I will have to provide the evidence that this account is mine, right? If that's the case, then he should provide evidence to prove it. I have been using this account since 2013. If he is the real owner of this account, he can provide proof through the sign message method.

Explain what you mean by loginsam45 sharing misinformation

I do not know why he provided false information that is he is the real owner and what he is trying to convey or achieve with it. It's possible that he might be attempting to gain merits or improve his reputation on the forum in a short period. However, without evidence, it's hard to determine his exact motives or intentions.

[JollyGood]

We need more input from loginsam45 in this thread.

For now at least, I am not stating loginsam45 is telling the truth nor am I stating you are the one who is truthful but as a point of interest we should have some clarity on what was mentioned by _BlackStar. Can you sign any of your three known addresses from 2014/2015?

If you are unable to sign any of them please explain why.

Anyone is welcome to file their complaint but I am truly astonished by how openly he discusses his alternate accounts, a behavior that I have never witnessed before. If he can provide valid evidence, then undoubtedly, he will be able to recover his accounts accordingly.

I can truly say that newbie are making false claims if you make a disclaimer by signing your old bitcoin address before you change the account password. That's one of the best ways to make a disclaimer - but I don't have to force you to.

There are some old wallets you used in 2015 - if something never happened to you and the file store you should be able to sign messages from those addresses.

[JollyGood]

With his reputation on the line, one would expect an urgency to clear the matter but since the above post was made 3 days ago asking for him to sign a previously used address from before the time of the allegations, GigaBit has logged in and made 10 posts in order to meet his signature campaign quota.

What Gigabit has not done is posted here in this thread again to explain his reasons if he unable to sign any of his three known addresses from 2014/2015. We are still waiting here for his participation to defend his name while he is posting everywhere else to get the Duelbits signature campaign payout.

[holydarkness]

Ok, got interested with this one, so I popped back in once more. Maybe GigaBit need a help in refreshing their memory. Here's the two addresses you previously announced in the forum and you can sign to prove the ownership,

[...]
15Awon4gimPkA3idF7AKXnpYSa2rPupdUX - My wallet
[...]

GigaBit 1.89 19JTMqXFNB49cWzZ6awsafrQqxnp6vBXDc

loginsam45, you do aware that this works two way, right? You can also sign message from any of both addresses above to prove ownership of GigaBit account

[GigaBit]

We need more input from loginsam45 in this thread.

For now at least, I am not stating loginsam45 is telling the truth nor am I stating you are the one who is truthful but as a point of interest we should have some clarity on what was mentioned by _BlackStar. Can you sign any of your three known addresses from 2014/2015?

If you are unable to sign any of them please explain why.

Anyone is welcome to file their complaint but I am truly astonished by how openly he discusses his alternate accounts, a behavior that I have never witnessed before. If he can provide valid evidence, then undoubtedly, he will be able to recover his accounts accordingly.

I can truly say that newbie are making false claims if you make a disclaimer by signing your old bitcoin address before you change the account password. That's one of the best ways to make a disclaimer - but I don't have to force you to.

There are some old wallets you used in 2015 - if something never happened to you and the file store you should be able to sign messages from those addresses.

Why I am being asked to sign in messages. Since he (loginsam45) raised the complaint, he has to prove whether he is the owner of the account or not. Ask him and ask him to prove it. Why he is not come back to online. I am the owner of this account. When this complaint came up I tried to find my old wallets but couldn't find (2015). My previous devices have changed. If I had known that I would need my wallets later, I would have tried to keep them more carefully. If loginsam45 can sign the message then I will have nothing to say. But that is impossible, I challenged him.

[BitcoinGirl.Club]

I will suggest ltcrstrbrt, GigaBit and bluedeep to do nothing. Not even to make any response in this topic.

Ok, got interested with this one, so I popped back in once more. Maybe GigaBit need a help in refreshing their memory. Here's the two addresses you previously announced in the forum and you can sign to prove the ownership,

[...]
15Awon4gimPkA3idF7AKXnpYSa2rPupdUX - My wallet
[...]

GigaBit 1.89 19JTMqXFNB49cWzZ6awsafrQqxnp6vBXDc

loginsam45, you do aware that this works two way, right? You can also sign message from any of both addresses above to prove ownership of GigaBit account

It does but it doesn't have to. Tomorrow if a brand new member or even a fairly new or an enemy of yours make a post and claim that he owns holydarkness, I would not be such stupid to bother you to ask for a sign message or call you in a topic created for you to clear your name. Instead, I will ask the accuser to give enough strong evidences so that I will be sure that he is not trolling us all. Do you have any such strong back up story? I guess I don't see any yet.

Then my request is to leave these three guys alone.

I'm not going to solve the mystery, but I will give you a little info : I see bluedeep account banned. BPIP, LoyceV's tools, modlog, the Staff section don't give me more info. Maybe a temp ban.

2) How were these accounts stolen by his friend

I will add "How and when these accounts stolen by his friend". It could be important.

I don't know how much internal information a staff can have like IP, device info and anything else which is enough to at least give a benefit of doubt but nonetheless I don't think it will be good to comment anything that may give out information of such private things even when you are making a neutral stand. You are one of forum staff not like independent members like us who are free to do anything, tell anything, make anything. A very little mistake from you will not only look you bad but the entire forum will suffer for it where if I make a mistake then no one else is going to question the forum a single question but all to me.

[FatFork]

Instead, I will ask the accuser to give enough strong evidences so that I will be sure that he is not trolling us all. Do you have any such strong back up story? I guess I don't see any yet.

You may have missed it, but loginsam45 did sign the message from an address previously used by bluedeep. So, at least that part of his story checks out, as confirmed by holydarkness.

{
  "address": "0x4320379558e74800b37114848e7905695c33624A",
  "msg": "My Account 1. ltcrstrbrt 2. GigaBit 3. bluedeep\n I am the original owner of this account\n @JollyGood You investigate it properly\n\n Dated 21-07-2023",
  "sig": "0xd5cb38c0ee532eb6ec4b28c17ba8924c696f838e1b78cda49751d74024a80dca528047651eedc e6e496fa81b1ae5517d0108823f879fc3ba590589790d1a6c5a1b",
  "version": "2"
}

Irfan please update my ETH address on Blog form ( position 158)

ETH address: 0x4320379558e74800b37114848e7905695c33624A

[holydarkness]

I will suggest ltcrstrbrt, GigaBit and bluedeep to do nothing. Not even to make any response in this topic.

Ok, got interested with this one, so I popped back in once more. Maybe GigaBit need a help in refreshing their memory. Here's the two addresses you previously announced in the forum and you can sign to prove the ownership,

[...]
15Awon4gimPkA3idF7AKXnpYSa2rPupdUX - My wallet
[...]

GigaBit 1.89 19JTMqXFNB49cWzZ6awsafrQqxnp6vBXDc

loginsam45, you do aware that this works two way, right? You can also sign message from any of both addresses above to prove ownership of GigaBit account

It does but it doesn't have to. Tomorrow if a brand new member or even a fairly new or an enemy of yours make a post and claim that he owns holydarkness, I would not be such stupid to bother you to ask for a sign message or call you in a topic created for you to clear your name. Instead, I will ask the accuser to give enough strong evidences so that I will be sure that he is not trolling us all. Do you have any such strong back up story? I guess I don't see any yet.

Then my request is to leave these three guys alone.
[...]

Hmm... actually there is a good back up story against bluedeep, the post made by loginsam45 on post #2 signed a message from an address that's used by bluedeep in the past. I think it'll be probably in bluedeep's interest to give his side of explanation on this situation, especially regarding the address.

That said, I can agree that GigaBit and ltcrstrbrt probably doesn't have to answer by signing an address or anything yet, because loginsam45 has yet to provide ownership of them, and that there were not anything that ties both account to loginsam45 or bluedeep [of course, that's said with a fact that I am not an expert on that matter as I am not that privy] other than an accusation of merits of ltcrstrbrt, that I don't think reached a verdict, so that thread itself --IMO-- is not substantial enough. That's part of the reason why I said to loginsam45 that it works both ways, that he can, and invites him to, proves the ownerships from his side.

To answer your question about if it's me, if it's baseless and/or have nothing to back up the claim, I'll quite likely to ignore it [ermm... I think I'll be more likely to answer them sarcastically, if I have to be honest, LOL], but if they have a claim that have one or two basis, like on bluedeep's, then I think I'd like to be given a chance to defend myself. Or, if I stand on the other side of the table, that I got hacked --or what other reason loginsam45 claimed-- and I've give a proof of ownership by a signed message, I think I will appreciate if my words and statement [that I've been hacked] to be at least given a benefit of doubts, which were given to loginsam45 right now. I thank you for your trust in me that --for you-- I don't have to counter the accusation if similar scenario happened to me, though.


Edit: tidying grammar error and a bit incoherence as I took some time [and lots of break because I was out while typing this] to compose this post. And thanks, FatFork to also pointing the signed message out.