How Can We Identify Someone Who Uses AI?

[virasog]

There are some AI detecting tools which can identify the AI created texts by identifying the patterns since AIs use specific templates for most of their outputs but still it is not possible to say whether it is 100% created by human or AI tools. But if someone is blatantly doing it can be identified just by their contents are more generic and doesn't include any personal touch would be good indicator.

Those tools are actually not reliable as they have failed so many times. We are yet to have an accurate AI text dictating tool. But apart from using tools, I identify AI posts especially when posted by a newbie whose writing pattern I have not studied. When the grammar is so correct and meaningful, yet coming from a newbie without merits, it's always a red flag.

Op, instead of trying to dictate AI written texts, just avoid using it yourself and others will as well avoid it and we will have a better forum with human understanding.

Perfect grammar can't act as a evidence to say that someone is using AI because before this CgatGPT and all others there are many newbies came to the forum with vast knowledge about cryptos as well as with good communication which depends on their communication skills not related to knowledge.

But the wall of texts with more generic opinions can be a red flag in my opinion.

Perfect grammar may be a sign of AI usage if the said user has a history of poor English knowledge in their previous posts. Otherwise, in general, grammar isn't an accurate way to suspect AI usage; I'm also quite proficient in the English language and also use extensions such as Grammarly to correct any mistakes I make. The truth is that you cannot suspect every single newbie that creates constructive content, but the truth is that after the introduction of AI platforms, there has been an increase in suspiciously constructive threads, which may raise red flags if it's a common occurrence.

Some people may take help from Grammarly to correct their grammar, and others who are proficient in English may never make a grammatical mistake, hence I don't think grammar perfection should lead to the conclusion of AI posts.

If a person is constantly using the AI, one can see his overall posts and get the idea that the posts lack the human touch and then we may further make use of sites that detect the AI for further confluence. On the other hand, if a person uses AI in a few of his posts or in parts of his posts, then it may be difficult to detect the AI posts.

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[ScamViruS]

There are some AI detecting tools which can identify the AI created texts by identifying the patterns since AIs use specific templates for most of their outputs but still it is not possible to say whether it is 100% created by human or AI tools. But if someone is blatantly doing it can be identified just by their contents are more generic and doesn't include any personal touch would be good indicator.

You'll find many tools that will let you detect AI posts, but the accuracy of most of those tools' detections is debatable. Because users who post AI-generated posts mix it up using other tools to make it look like it was written by humans. Then if they mix AI generated posts with human generated posts then it becomes difficult to detect them. So it is true that it is difficult to detect AI posts with 100% certainty.

[BenCodie]

Check URL & Text for AI origin with Writer
Human vs AI content detector by ContentAtScale.io
GPTZero detects ChatGPT, GPT3, GPT4, Bard, and other AI models.

If you want to detect whether or not someone is using AI to generate their posts, then use either or all of these tools to detect whether or not/how much AI was used to create the post. I'd say that there is a lot of fear around using AI to make posts in comparison to when AI was first being used to make posts, though do come back with some feedback on how you went finding them.

[Crypto Library]

The use of AI to make a quality post is a big offense in this Forum and I believe we still have members who are still doing as we speak.
I can't tell why they do it or is it because of how the high ranked members preach so much about making quality post before you earn merit that's the cause of people using AI to post or is there something we need to know that's the cause of breaking this rule.
How can we wash off this ill behavior? Because I know the offenders know it's not good and they know the implications if found doing it. What's the best thing to do to stop the use of AI from going on in this Forum?

I am not asking to stop AI, but action is needed against those who are misusing AI and using AI in their posts to show everyone that he is a quality full post data.But if someone by using AI and share something informative info with the acknowledgment he is using Ai, I don't think there is anything wrong here.
Moreover, already many members are skillfully using AI to catch the posters. And by strengthening it I think the abuse of this AI can be stopped in this forum. For your kind information in this topic already described how can you identify those Ai post generators. --> AI-generated post discussion thread: how to identify & report
Now if you can identify those posters with the help of this topic, just report them in to this thread- https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1926895.0

[KingsDen]

There are some AI detecting tools which can identify the AI created texts by identifying the patterns since AIs use specific templates for most of their outputs but still it is not possible to say whether it is 100% created by human or AI tools. But if someone is blatantly doing it can be identified just by their contents are more generic and doesn't include any personal touch would be good indicator.

Those tools are actually not reliable as they have failed so many times. We are yet to have an accurate AI text dictating tool. But apart from using tools, I identify AI posts especially when posted by a newbie whose writing pattern I have not studied. When the grammar is so correct and meaningful, yet coming from a newbie without merits, it's always a red flag.

Op, instead of trying to dictate AI written texts, just avoid using it yourself and others will as well avoid it and we will have a better forum with human understanding.

Perfect grammar can't act as a evidence to say that someone is using AI because before this CgatGPT and all others there are many newbies came to the forum with vast knowledge about cryptos as well as with good communication which depends on their communication skills not related to knowledge.

But the wall of texts with more generic opinions can be a red flag in my opinion.

Perfect grammar may be a sign of AI usage if the said user has a history of poor English knowledge in their previous posts. Otherwise, in general, grammar isn't an accurate way to suspect AI usage; I'm also quite proficient in the English language and also use extensions such as Grammarly to correct any mistakes I make. The truth is that you cannot suspect every single newbie that creates constructive content, but the truth is that after the introduction of AI platforms, there has been an increase in suspiciously constructive threads, which may raise red flags if it's a common occurrence.

Ultegra123, you understood me very well. I do not actually mean that any newbie that makes grammatically correct posts uses AI. I only stated my own way of dictating an AI generated post. If a newbie who has no merits or fewer than 5 merits, whose post history has been 2 to 3 lines, suddenly starts making lengthy posts like wall of text with higher level of grammatical connectivity or correctness, it's a red flag.

Besides, I do not hunt AI users, but most times I do test random posts to quench my curiosity. I don't have the intention to hunt AI users for now until theymos makes any kind of rule about AI usage.

[GazetaBitcoin]

I have mixed feelings about the possibility of detecting correctly AI generated text in all cases. I know 2 forum users which were incorrectly accused of using AI for their posts (one case is the one from here). While a (one) website was detecting AI generated posts in their cases, 3 other websites were saying that their posts were written by a human.

AI generated posts are, indeed, a problem, since many can use it for reaching their campaign quotas and also for obtaining not deserved merits. So some action against such cases is more than welcome, such as nutildah did. Besides, some campaign managers are also actively looking for AI generated posts.

However, since this madness technology is somehow recent, the tools for properly detecting it are not flawless and they may lead to false accusations. At same time, a broken tool is better than no tool at all so, at least, there is a way for combating this new way of cheating the system. Therefore, since the tools used are not flawless, I believe that best approach is to treat these accusations case by case, try each time using more websites for detecting the AI and not just one, allow the users to defend themselves and to present proof in their favor and so on.

What I'm trying to say is that, since this technology is here and there is nothing that can be done about that, let's not always jump to conclusions and let's make a thorough analysis for each accusation.

[nutildah]

What I'm trying to say is that, since this technology is here and there is nothing that can be done about that, let's not always jump to conclusions and let's make a thorough analysis for each accusation.

Although I personally view the use of GhatGPT, GPT-3, etc. here as plagiarism (someone is taking credit for something they didn't write), at the end of the day AI posts are likely only to be deleted by mods if:

a) they are obviously written by AI, and/or
b) they are spam that adds nothing of value or substance to the forum

with more weight given to b).


In this thread there's a lot of mentioning instances where a particular detector returned a false positive, and some people are keen to use that as an excuse to dismiss all detectors altogether, but some are obviously more accurate than others. What I've noticed is that if a post is short (2-4 lines), the detectors are more likely to return a false positive. The more data the detectors have to analyze, the better job they're going to do (which is why some have a minimum character count).

But ultimately what matters is whether or not the post is useless spam, which is what a lot of AI-assisted posts come across as. I can personally tell if someone is using AI within the first few lines of a post, and then my eyes kind of just gloss over the rest. Don't know about you guys but I simply don't care to read the rest of a post knowing its machine-generated.

[aysg76]

I think there is difference we can indentify from a post made my computer and person himself as sometimes we can sense it from the writing style or better there are tools for it.The ChatGPT company also have plagiarism detecting tools developed to indentify such contents so people don't misuse it imposing as it their own content.

[Dzwaafu11]

I can't tell why they do it or is it because of how the high ranked members preach so much about making quality post before you earn merit that's the cause of people using AI to post or is there something we need to know that's the cause of breaking this rule.

Most of these people who use AI to generate posts do so because they are too lazy to write what they know and live the rest, thinking that it will make their post look excellent, but that is not the case. They need to understand that the forum does not support that, and if someone will wait and focus on what brought them here, they will seriously learn and be able to write their own post without using the AI. However, some of them are mostly newbies that are yet to know how to post correctly on the forum, so those newbies think that they can use AI to post comments or create new threads, and they believe that using AI will make it look excellent and then deserve merits, but there is a link that they use to check whether a post was created using AI here

[GazetaBitcoin]

[...] But ultimately what matters is whether or not the post is useless spam, which is what a lot of AI-assisted posts come across as. I can personally tell if someone is using AI within the first few lines of a post, and then my eyes kind of just gloss over the rest. Don't know about you guys but I simply don't care to read the rest of a post knowing its machine-generated.

nutildah's post is one of the most coherent ones from this topic and I also consider his topic very useful. Perhaps not many have his skill, to detect a post written by AI simply by reading it, so this must be a special perk

At same time, the highlighted part is the one most frustrating and deceptive. I would certainly not like at all to read some posts, to consider them valuable and, in the end, to find out that the author used an AI to generate them. Regarding the mention of plagiarism -- this is a sort of plagiarism indeed... After all, the author plagiarized an AI (lol?) since he did not write the post by himself... It's like if we were on SF forum and someone would come up with quotes from Jules Verne or Isaac Asimov and he would receive tons of merit. But those merits were supposed to be for the real authors of his lines -- Jules Verne and Asimov. Yet people which did not read those authors or which did not recognize the lines as belonging to them would merit a simple user which would try to take credit on someone else's work.

Now this leads to an interesting debate: can copy-pasting from an AI be considered plagiarism, if the source is not mentioned? Does the AI have the same rights as a human, in order to be considered to be prejudiced by a plagiarist? (This also reminds me of Asimov's novelette The Bicentennial Man (there was made also a film adaptation), the subject being a robot which struggled to be considered human. In the end, he could prove he is a human being only after he made some changes to his body in order to be able to die.)

[nutildah]

Now this leads to an interesting debate: can copy-pasting from an AI be considered plagiarism, if the source is not mentioned?

I think it is, similar to the way that using a text spinner to rewrite something is considered plagiarism. If someone mentions that they are using AI to write their post, then I have no problems with it. Then its clear that they're acknowledging its not their work.

Another reason why some forums (such as Stack Overflow) have banned the use of AI is they often give wrong answers, which I do see happening from time to time...

Many cryptocurrencies, such as Bitcoin, are based on decentralized blockchain technology, which means that transactions can still be processed and recorded even if the internet is not available. While it's true that accessing cryptocurrency wallets and conducting transactions would be more difficult without internet access, it's possible that alternative methods of transmitting data could be developed in times of war.

Though its not like people can't be wrong without AI. Some make a whole career of it.

Does the AI have the same rights as a human, in order to be considered to be prejudiced by a plagiarist?

Well, not exactly, and I doubt that it ever will... at least not until it starts complaining about not having any rights.

[dkbit98]

Another reason why some forums (such as Stack Overflow) have banned the use of AI is they often give wrong answers, which I do see happening from time to time...

I would love to see this AI ChatGPT ban in bitcointalk forum, but I think it's not always easy to identify AI super-plagiarism.
From my testing of ChatGPT I found out that AI is stupid and it doesn't know what is right or wrong, but it's very good in plagiarism and repeating stuff developers feed it.

[Fivestar4everMVP]

The use of AI to make a quality post is a big offense in this Forum and I believe we still have members who are still doing as we speak.
I can't tell why they do it or is it because of how the high ranked members preach so much about making quality post before you earn merit that's the cause of people using AI to post or is there something we need to know that's the cause of breaking this rule.
How can we wash off this ill behavior? Because I know the offenders know it's not good and they know the implications if found doing it. What's the best thing to do to stop the use of AI from going on in this Forum?

There is already a forum rule restricting forum users against the habit of plagiarism, the punishment for breaking this rule is outright ban without warning (could be tem ban or perma ban, all depends on the user involved), the habit of posting contents copied from Ai is no different from a user copy pasting content from other sources, and the user fail to properly reference the source where the content comes from, be it from Ai or an article or someone else's post from any social media, that becomes plagiarism, and the punishment for the offence like I've said before is a ban.

And as for how to know if someone's post is Ai generated, there are many sources online by which this can be known, you can search on google if other users have not already mentioned some of those sources, simply coping and pasting the post on that source will tell you if the post is Ai generated or an original post.

[Comingdown]

The use of AI to make a quality post is a big offense in this Forum and I believe we still have members who are still doing as we speak.
I can't tell why they do it or is it because of how the high ranked members preach so much about making quality post before you earn merit that's the cause of people using AI to post or is there something we need to know that's the cause of breaking this rule.
How can we wash off this ill behavior? Because I know the offenders know it's not good and they know the implications if found doing it. What's the best thing to do to stop the use of AI from going on in this Forum?

One thing we can do to spot an AI is to copy the text and ask ChatGPT if it provided the text itself. I've actually done this before and it's working. But sometimes other uses ChatGPT and uses other platforms like Quillbot and other paraphrasing tools to make the text original.

From my observation, text from ChatGPT are like this;

- uses a lot of flowery words
- particular with capitalization and such
- written in formal manner ( strict with punctuations and such)
- extensive and repetitive words

Another reason why some forums (such as Stack Overflow) have banned the use of AI is they often give wrong answers, which I do see happening from time to time...

I would love to see this AI ChatGPT ban in bitcointalk forum, but I think it's not always easy to identify AI super-plagiarism.
From my testing of ChatGPT I found out that AI is stupid and it doesn't know what is right or wrong, but it's very good in plagiarism and repeating stuff developers feed it.

Agree on this, banning accounts who uses ChatGPT is a must because it completely ruins the essence of this forum. But as what you've said, it's really hard to identify who uses AI-generated tools.

[BlackHatCoiner]

We can't actually. That's one of the reasons people are afraid of deep learning. The better it is, the less capable we are at distinguishing it. If you write a program, that learns how I'm writing, responding, which are my preferences, interests etc., then you can clone BlackHatCoiner. At that point, only my digital signature will be sufficient for proving I'm indeed me.

But at the moment it isn't so concerning. I'm myself detecting and reporting newbies who use ChatGPT. But we won't distinguish that forever. I suspect that, at some point in the future, there will be users talking, who will not exist.

[nutildah]

We can't actually.

I'm myself detecting and reporting newbies who use ChatGPT.

These two statements seem to be at odds with each other.

Anyway, what matters first and foremost as far as forum reports are concerned is if a post is spam or not. If it contributes nothing of substance and is suspected to be written by AI, it stands a much higher chance of being deleted than if it is just suspected AI.

But we won't distinguish that forever. I suspect that, at some point in the future, there will be users talking, who will not exist.

Yes but there will still be telltale signs that give them away. It hasn't happened yet so I don't know what they are, but I guarantee there will be.

[BlackHatCoiner]

These two statements seem to be at odds with each other.

You can't detect AI produced text, but newbies who just want to make a few bucks are easily detectable, because they don't utilize it properly. For instance, they don't request to use some different dialect.

Anyway, what matters first and foremost as far as forum reports are concerned is if a post is spam or not. If it contributes nothing of substance and is suspected to be written by AI, it stands a much higher chance of being deleted than if it is just suspected AI.

Usually, I notice AI posts when they respond with much more content than required. A newbie making four paragraph long posts, is quite suspicious.

[light_warrior]

it's working.

Well, yeah, it works It works so well that Open AI itself decided to shut down its service based on their neural network, which determined whether the text was written by an AI or a human. Because they themselves admitted that today there is simply no algorithm for determining whether the text is written by an AI or a human.

[DubemIfedigbo001]

. What's the best thing to do to stop the use of AI from going on in this Forum?

firstly, the major problem isn't using AI, but mindless usage of it. For example, chat GPT has made research very easy for people. they get great insights from the near-accurate solutions it proffers. Now, that doesn't mean you'll mindlessly copy whatever you see there to a professional or educational setting. Those are for gathering knowledge and is not intended in any way to be a replacement for your brain or your intentional delivery of concepts.

Secondly, we still have to make use of our intuition and wealth of experiences to make accountable and educating posts and comments in this prestigious forum. Most people who use AI for creating contents to post here are letting this forum down as they are not upholding the integrity of this forum which I know is centered on enlightening the members with well thought, rich, Educating and self-coined contents. or crediting the source of the content if copied.

thirdly, AI is a research tool and never a content writing tool, and is never a replacement for our thinking and creativity. Therefore, mindless usage of AI should be highly discouraged to reduce lack of creativity in its apex and uphold the integrity of this forum.


Finally, there are various tools to detect mindless use of AI eg:

• https://www.scribbr.com/ai-detector/
• https://copyleaks.com/ai-content-detector