Russian ruble is scam

[serveria.com]

I don't even have anything to say/comment. The proof is there right above this post. You are either blind or retarded. All this post of yours is a 100% lie. Not a single word of truth. This fake was refuted millions of times, you can check when this image first appeared online.

Btw, you're not fighting against Russians yet? Why is that? Your Ukrainian brethren are dying in Donbas but you're trolling here on bitcointalk? Not very patriotic right?  

If I'm lying - make an argument and OPPOSE it
But... I don't expect an answer, because you have nothing to say except reprinting rashist propaganda broadcasts.
Or do you want to refute the hysteria in the Central Bank of Russia ? The Russian Ministry of Economy? The urgent calls by the pathetic international criminal Putin to "stabilize the economy". I read and watch news from the terrorist country all the time. And I don't see any positivity from the Russian government, except hysterics and deep not understanding why things are so bad just read their OFFICIAL media ! You think I write them ?

And yes, I am still helping the heroic AFU to destroy the cancer of the modern world - RASHISM. In 2022 I spent 9 months in the ranks of the Territorial Defense, was wounded, and since December 2022 demobilized. But I continue to assist the defenders of Ukraine as much as possible - financially, technically and consultatively.... Why didn't you go to war against "dollarization, NATO, the West, ..." and other propaganda nonsense ? Tell me another fairy tale story ?!!  

What argument? You're over-complicating things! Anyone with basic pc skills can google the fake image you posted find out when it first appeared online and what's wrong with it. Btw, you can find it above in one of my posts.

You see, nobody can check the "fact" that your were in territorial defense and you were wounded. It's like your words only. And nobody believes the words of the forums #1 liar! 

There was not much fighting going on near Kiev. Was it an air strike? Even if it's not a lie and you were wounded, why you're not back in service? More than half a year (9 months) later? Was it some serious injury? Some brain damage perhaps? 

[dansus021]

Not Just Ruble but pretty much all fiat is a scam it is made from paper and backed by thin air and the government keeps printing it.

But we can't do anything in fact I'm still using it  So funny Fiat Money is the greatest Magic on earth but here we are.

Here Example of US Dollar



See what is going on  but dont afraid we had government and every problem has a solution 

[Sithara007]

Not Just Ruble but pretty much all fiat is a scam it is made from paper and backed by thin air and the government keeps printing it.

But we can't do anything in fact I'm still using it  So funny Fiat Money is the greatest Magic on earth but here we are.

Here Example of US Dollar

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There is no doubt that the US Dollar has lost it's purchasing power very steeply over the years. But at the same time, other fiat currencies have performed even worse. Almost 99% of the other fiat currencies are losing their value against USD in the long run. Swiss Franc is a rare exception, were a fiat currency retains its purchasing power even better than the USD. Singapore Dollar and Brunei Dollar are other examples, but these currencies are not very popular. Japanese Yen used to perform well, but in recent times it has also gone down against the USD.

[DanWalker]

Not Just Ruble but pretty much all fiat is a scam it is made from paper and backed by thin air and the government keeps printing it.

But we can't do anything in fact I'm still using it   So funny Fiat Money is the greatest Magic on earth but here we are.

Here Example of US Dollar

✂✂✂✂

There is no doubt that the US Dollar has lost it's purchasing power very steeply over the years. But at the same time, other fiat currencies have performed even worse. Almost 99% of the other fiat currencies are losing their value against USD in the long run. Swiss Franc is a rare exception, were a fiat currency retains its purchasing power even better than the USD. Singapore Dollar and Brunei Dollar are other examples, but these currencies are not very popular. Japanese Yen used to perform well, but in recent times it has also gone down against the USD.

Although there are still some national currencies that still perform quite well, if their nature is still centralized and controlled by the government, devaluation is inevitable. Because as long as the economy has a problem and the government immediately prints more money to solve it, it is only a matter of time before the fiat currency depreciates. All currencies are scams but backed by the government so they are always considered legit.

And dansus021 is right, we can't do anything and will continue to use them like it or not. But with the advent of the concept of decentralization, we will be less dependent on fiat, and that is happening like de-dollarization is happening.

[safar1980]

Not Just Ruble but pretty much all fiat is a scam it is made from paper and backed by thin air and the government keeps printing it.

But we can't do anything in fact I'm still using it  So funny Fiat Money is the greatest Magic on earth but here we are.

Here Example of US Dollar

✂✂✂✂

There is no doubt that the US Dollar has lost it's purchasing power very steeply over the years. But at the same time, other fiat currencies have performed even worse. Almost 99% of the other fiat currencies are losing their value against USD in the long run. Swiss Franc is a rare exception, were a fiat currency retains its purchasing power even better than the USD. Singapore Dollar and Brunei Dollar are other examples, but these currencies are not very popular. Japanese Yen used to perform well, but in recent times it has also gone down against the USD.

Yes, it is true that many other fiat currencies have been losing their value in comparison to the US dollar. This depreciation can be influenced by various factors such as inflation rates, economic stability, geopolitical events, and interest rate differentials between countries.
National currencies can rise in price relative to other currencies if a country's export volume is ahead of its import volume. But if the state does not devalue the national currency in relation to the dollar, then enterprises will not be competitive in the world market.

[legendbtc]

Not Just Ruble but pretty much all fiat is a scam it is made from paper and backed by thin air and the government keeps printing it.

But we can't do anything in fact I'm still using it  So funny Fiat Money is the greatest Magic on earth but here we are.

Here Example of US Dollar

✂✂✂✂

There is no doubt that the US Dollar has lost it's purchasing power very steeply over the years. But at the same time, other fiat currencies have performed even worse. Almost 99% of the other fiat currencies are losing their value against USD in the long run. Swiss Franc is a rare exception, were a fiat currency retains its purchasing power even better than the USD. Singapore Dollar and Brunei Dollar are other examples, but these currencies are not very popular. Japanese Yen used to perform well, but in recent times it has also gone down against the USD.

Yes, it is true that many other fiat currencies have been losing their value in comparison to the US dollar. This depreciation can be influenced by various factors such as inflation rates, economic stability, geopolitical events, and interest rate differentials between countries.
National currencies can rise in price relative to other currencies if a country's export volume is ahead of its import volume. But if the state does not devalue the national currency in relation to the dollar, then enterprises will not be competitive in the world market.

The USD will remain the most stable currency for many years to come but it would be a bit political to say that the Russian currency is a scam and the USD is still a trustworthy currency. Ever since we got to know bitcoin, we've been able to see how bad and evil fiat can be. So it can be said they are all the same, all currencies are scams.

I know we have a lot of people who support the US government and also a lot of people who support the Russian government. But we're just discussing, so we need to be honest and realistic, don't get too excited on one side and talk bad about the other.

[DrBeer]

Not Just Ruble but pretty much all fiat is a scam it is made from paper and backed by thin air and the government keeps printing it.

But we can't do anything in fact I'm still using it  So funny Fiat Money is the greatest Magic on earth but here we are.

Here Example of US Dollar



See what is going on  but dont afraid we had government and every problem has a solution 

It is foolish to deny reality, and say that the dollar is not subject to inflation. The graph shows perfectly well what happened to it during this period. But you forget that over the same period many "strong currencies" died out completely. The German mark - can I show you a 20 MILLION mark bill ? With which you could buy bread, but no more. And 2 years before that the German economy was powerful and the mark was expensive. And the same ruble - how many reforms with cutting off "extra zeros" did it go through? Take even the last "stable period" from 2000 to today - how many times has the ruble depreciated in 20 years?  Provided that Russia is the largest supplier of hydrocarbons to the market ? Can you tell similar stories about the dollar ? So let's "measure the commensurable".

[Argoo]

I'd say it's highly likely chief. Russia is too big and rich in culture and vodka and crazy fucking bears drunk on vodka to fail so bad and become 3rd world country. You guys will be fine currently you're just Putin it all on the ruble though 😉

Russia continues to invest all its funds in the war of aggression against Ukraine and its main reserve - the National Welfare Fund - is being reduced very sharply.
In the coming years, according to the International Monetary Fund, Russia will continue to lose its position in the ranking of countries in the world in terms of living standards. The Russian Federation already ranks 68th in the world in terms of GDP per capita, which is considered an indicator of the level of economic activity and quality of life of citizens.

Last year, the Russian economy generated just $13,648 in GDP per capita. This is 6 times less than the USA ($81,632), 4 times less than Germany, and almost 10 times less than Luxembourg ($129,810). Over the past 10 years, GDP per capita in the Russian Federation has decreased by 16%. As a result, in the world rankings Russia was on the same level with Mexico ($13,642) and below Panama ($18,725), Argentina ($14,024), Bulgaria ($15,854) and Hungary ($22,146).

In the next three years, according to IMF forecasts, Russian GDP will grow by only 11% to $15,146. As a result, Russia will let Kazakhstan and Turkmenistan advance. By 2029, Russian GDP per capita will be $15,683 – 15% less than in Kazakhstan ($18,396) and Turkmenistan ($18,202).

https://www.unian.net/world/rossiya-upadet-nizhe-turkmenistana-po-urovnyu-zhizni-uzhe-cherez-tri-goda-mvf-novosti-mira-amp-12623451.html

And all because Putin wanted to go down in history as a great conqueror on the level of Hitler, and the Russian people actively supported him in this. Just like Hitler before, he threw countless columns of tanks and armored vehicles into Ukraine without declaring war. To date, according to the Armed Forces of Ukraine, 470,870 military personnel have become irretrievably lost to Russians, 7,332 tanks, 14,096 armored vehicles, 12,044 artillery systems, 1,053 MLRS, 784 air defense systems, 26 warships and boats and other military equipment have been destroyed. But the Russians still have to pay for the atrocities and genocide of the Ukrainian people.

[gloffs]

And all because Putin wanted to go down in history as a great conqueror on the level of Hitler, and the Russian people actively supported him in this. Just like Hitler before, he threw countless columns of tanks and armored vehicles into Ukraine without declaring war. To date, according to the Armed Forces of Ukraine, 470,870 military personnel have become irretrievably lost to Russians, 7,332 tanks, 14,096 armored vehicles, 12,044 artillery systems, 1,053 MLRS, 784 air defense systems, 26 warships and boats and other military equipment have been destroyed. But the Russians still have to pay for the atrocities and genocide of the Ukrainian people.

I beieve that you are pretty much misinformed about the real situation in Ukraine, what actually happened there and why Putin started this war.
First of all the Ukrainian nazies wh came to power in Ukraine in a coup in 2014 started the policy of killing Russian speaking Ukrainians. Ukraine has always been a part of Russia and the USSR from times immemorial and a lot of Russians live in the eastern part of Ukraine and you can imagine that all these Russian speaking people have been endangered by the neonazies in Ukraine. These neonazies have been educated by the US CIA special operations whereby the main aim of the CIA was to divide Ukraine and start a civil war in Ukraine.
The Russian speaking people living in the eastern provinces of Ukraine did not want to be killed and live under the new nazi regime. So they decided to seceed from Kiev. But the nazies in Kiev did not accept that and sent an army to the eastern part of Ukraine (Donetsk, Lugansk). Fortunately the nazies have not been able to subjugate the eastern provinces of Ukraine and they started to bombshell this territory starting from 2014.
All these 10 years starting from 2014 these killers and murderers have been firing at this territory which caused deaths of many Russian speaking people.
It was a civil war inside Ukraine that killed mostly Russian speakng people who did not deserved to be killed.
Of course CNN and other media of disinformation will never tell you the truth like I do.
They will always be telling you that Putin is like Hitler whereas in fact the new Hitler is Zelensky and the nazies.
By the way all these neo nazies un Ukraine are descendants of those who fought in WW2 on the side of fascist Germany.
The main reason that Putin invaded Ukraine is the fact that the US neocons wanted Ukraune to join NATO and and they were going to place US military bases in Ukraine so that NATO would expand to Ukraine and it was a very big threat to Russia.
In fact we could say that Biden provoked putin to make the first move. Putin could not act otherwise when he saw that the US was planning to place US forces inside Ukraine very close to the heart of Russia.
This was unacceptable.
One more thing.
The US neocons including Biden are very happy that this war is going on in Ukraine. They are well aware of the fact that most of the Ukrainians are in fact Russians and they deem it worthwile that a war has started in which the Russians are killing themselves in this war.
All these things that you write about in your message is utter nonsence. But I understand that it was written by someone whi has been  duped by the neocon propaganda. I hope that you reread this message a t least a few times and may be from now on you will start to understand what's really going on in Ukraine.
Also I suggest you watch al least a few videos by colonel McGregor  on Youtube. He knows the truth and speaks openly about it.
    

[gloffs]

Auch nd all because Putin wanted to go down in history as a great conqueror on the level of Hitler, and the Russian people actively supported him in this. Just like Hitler before, he threw countless columns of tanks and armored vehicles into Ukraine without declaring war. To date, according to the Armed Forces of Ukraine, 470,870 military personnel have become irretrievably lost to Russians, 7,332 tanks, 14,096 armored vehicles, 12,044 artillery systems, 1,053 MLRS, 784 air defense systems, 26 warships and boats and other military equipment have been destroyed. But the Russians still have to pay for the atrocities and genocide of the Ukrainian people.

Your comparison of Putin with Hitler tells me that you have been duped by the Western media of misinformation.
In 1990 The US administration promised the Soviet leader that it would not move NATO to the east any single inch.
Now it turns out that they lied to him and the US was planning to place US military bases in Ukraine just in the heart of Russia. Putin could not accept such a blatant violation of a promise. So he started a war.
And by the way what about the US starting a war in Irak, Afganistan and lots of other countries? Wasn't the US acting like  Hitler? I believe that George Bush for example was acting like Hitler. Then why don't you denounce Bush and all those neocons who started wars in many countries and killed millions of innocent people?

[STT]

Afganistan was hosting a terrorist leader who did attack USA.  When that leader moved to Pakistan an operation recovered his body and there was no war.  How would that compare to Ukraine and there being any point to this war, I wish there was some end to it.

That point is only relevant to this thread is by way of saying governments will waste money endlessly, they didnt earn it and its easy to spend and waste on something like war.   Killing people is not productive in any way, nobody is gaining from the current wars.  It would seem to be mostly about ego.

FIAT can only be used short term or it leads to lost money.   At some point I think that leads to bond markets relied on by the largest debtor nations not continuing easily.  Probably higher interest rates and a higher apparent cost to everyone, debt is never free it always costs someone.

Markets recently noticed both China and Russia both hold gold as a way of circumventing the normal FIAT and debt markets.   It would be a harsh switch if gold did raise in significance as its a plain commodity not diluted, leveraged, etc

[gloffs]

Afganistan was hosting a terrorist leader who did attack USA.  

Are you really sure that Osama Ben Laden was behind 9-11? Do you know that he was very much surprised when he heard that he was being searched by CIA for 9-11 attack?
Do you know that 9-11 was an inside job carried out by CIA? And again I see that you were duped by MSM of the West, my dear friend...

[gloffs]

How would that compare to Ukraine and there being any point to this war, I wish there was some end to it.

Why did the USA lie to the Soviet leader in 1990 when Reagan promised to Gorbachov that NATO would not expand to the east? They lied to him and now the US was implementing a plan to install military bases in Ukraine. Do you know anything about it?  

[m2017]

It is foolish to deny reality, and say that the dollar is not subject to inflation.

Any national currency is subject to inflation. Dollar - a little less.

The graph shows perfectly well what happened to it during this period.

A feature of the modern economy is that it is financed by lending with unsecured (out of thin air) money. This allows the economy to develop on debt (future money). A side effect is inflation, which is shown on the graph. As a result, we get a rapidly developing economy, but with the depreciation of money.

But you forget that over the same period many "strong currencies" died out completely. The German mark - can I show you a 20 MILLION mark bill ?

The German mark was replaced by the euro, not dead. This currency is correctly called Deutsche Mark.

Provided that Russia is the largest supplier of hydrocarbons to the market ?

This is not yet an indicator of a strong economy, which means that national money is cheap. By the way, Russia supplies hydrocarbons to other countries not in rubles. If this were so, it would certainly affect (positive) its economy. Generally speaking, commodity economies are weak. Name at least one country with a commodity-based economy and a strong national currency.

Can you tell similar stories about the dollar ? So let's "measure the commensurable".

There are no similar stories to be told about the dollar, because it is not for nothing that the dollar is a reserve currency.

[Argoo]

I beieve that you are pretty much misinformed about the real situation in Ukraine, what actually happened there and why Putin started this war.
First of all the Ukrainian nazies wh came to power in Ukraine in a coup in 2014 started the policy of killing Russian speaking Ukrainians. Ukraine has always been a part of Russia and the USSR from times immemorial and a lot of Russians live in the eastern part of Ukraine and you can imagine that all these Russian speaking people have been endangered by the neonazies in Ukraine. These neonazies have been educated by the US CIA special operations whereby the main aim of the CIA was to divide Ukraine and start a civil war in Ukraine.

To understand well the events that are happening now in Ukraine, you need to live in it for at least the last twenty years. I have been living in Ukraine all this time and I see with my own eyes all the economic and political processes actually taking place in it. Where do you live, talking about what is happening in Ukraine? I can say with confidence that you are not a resident of Ukraine.

Putin launched a military invasion of Ukraine, first a hybrid one in 2014 and then an open one in 2022, largely out of a desire to bring Ukraine back into the Russian sphere of influence and eventually annex its territories into Russia. He began to act actively when he saw that Ukraine was taking real steps towards rapprochement with Europe and was trying to join the European Union. In November 2013, the team of the then President of Ukraine Yanukovych went against the will of the people and, on Putin’s instructions, abandoned the course towards European integration. After this, people took to the streets to protest. Yanukovych tried to disperse this protest by force, giving the command to fire live ammunition at unarmed demonstrators. As a result of this, over a hundred people were killed, who were later called the “heavenly hundred” in Ukraine. But the people were not afraid and at the rally they announced that the next morning they would storm the residence of the murderous president. Yanukovych was frightened by this and fled to Russia, where he remains to this day. A coup you say? So who provoked him?

Before the war with Russia, there was no not only hostile, but even hostile attitude towards Russian speakers in Ukraine. Perhaps in the west of Ukraine, where the genocide and atrocities of the USSR against the Ukrainian people are still fresh in memory. There are indeed many Russian speakers in Ukraine, because the Russification of the entire USSR was previously its policy. I myself have spoken Russian for almost my entire adult life, living in Ukraine. But the topic of Russian speakers and the supposed need to protect them was used by the Kremlin to attack Ukraine. As a result, in the east of occupied Ukraine, cities were destroyed almost to the ground and the male population almost disappeared. A kind of protection from Russia.

Now, indeed, the people of Ukraine are massively abandoning the use of the Russian language as the language of the occupiers and are switching to Ukrainian. In particular, if before the war about 455 thousand schoolchildren studied the Russian language as a separate subject in Ukrainian schools, now less than a thousand schoolchildren study Russian in schools that survived Russian missile attacks. This is a pattern so that in Russia there is no desire to “protect” Russian speakers in Ukraine.

[gloffs]

To understand well the events that are happening now in Ukraine, you need to live in it for at least the last twenty years. I have been living in Ukraine all this time and I see with my own eyes all the economic and political processes actually taking place in it. Where do you live, talking about what is happening in Ukraine? I can say with confidence that you are not a resident of Ukraine.

You are correct in saying that I do not live in Ukraine. But I know very well what exactly is going on in Ukraine.
At this time the young generation in Ukraine has been brainwashed by anti Russian propaganda cooked by CIA and Victoria Nuland to such an extent that they do not understand what is really heppening in Ukraine despite that they have been living in Ukraine all the time.
I have been living in the USSR and then in Russia all this time. People living in Ukraine and in Russia are one people. In fact my father and grandfather was a Ukrainian. The CIA has been conducting a branwashing special operation whereby their main goal has been to convert Ukraine into anti Russia, they have bought off all the Ukrainian elite and set a task before them to convert Ukraine into anti Russia by sowing hostility between Ukraine and Russia.
The young generation in Ukraine has been subjected to tons of anti Russian propaganda whereby Moscow was blamed for everything and all troubles of Ukraine.This I know very well. One does not have to live in Ukraine in order to know this. And I don't want to live in Ukraine because I know that if I lived there then I would have been conscripted to the army a long time ago and murdered in the war by Ukrainian nazi. 

[gloffs]

Putin launched a military invasion of Ukraine, first a hybrid one in 2014 and then an open one in 2022, largely out of a desire to bring Ukraine back into the Russian sphere of influence and eventually annex its territories into Russia.

Do you know anything about the killings of Russian speaking people in Ukraine that started in 2014?
Do you know anything about the cruel murder of Russian speaking people in Odessa 10 years ago?
Do you understand that the so called break away provinces of Ukraine in the East of Ukraine did not wnat to live under the rule of Kiev anymore and and that's why they decided to seceed from Ukraine?
Why are you talking about the hybrid invasion of Ukraine when in fact Ukrainian nazies have been killing and murdering Russian speaking people in Ukraine? I do not believe this to be an invasion.
Why don't you admit that the CIA has been converting Ukraine into anti Russia and it is CIA and corrupt Ukrainian elite that started to bring hate to the people of Ukraine.
Do you know about the bombshelling of the Eastern breakaway provinces of Ukraine whereby masses of Russian speaking people have been killed by Ukrainian nazies since 2014? If you lived in Ukraine then didn't you know about these mass killings? Why don't you admit that?   

[Fortify]

Over the past 123 years, the Russian ruble has defaulted three times. What is the probability of a fourth default?

It's not a scam in the traditional sense of the word. It is just a currency run very badly by the government of Russia and a byproduct of awful leaders for this country. Russia is heavily reliant on oil production and mining to prop up its economy, it's very undiversified in that sense. Which means it is more liable to the cyclical swings and waning demands of the world economy. These industries crash very hard during recessions and drag the whole country down with it. Although some of those defaults probably have more roots in political instability than anything else.

[gloffs]

After this, people took to the streets to protest. Yanukovych tried to disperse this protest by force, giving the command to fire live ammunition at unarmed demonstrators. As a result of this, over a hundred people were killed, who were later called the “heavenly hundred” in Ukraine. But the people were not afraid and at the rally they announced that the next morning they would storm the residence of the murderous president. Yanukovych was frightened by this and fled to Russia, where he remains to this day. A coup you say? So who provoked him?

As regards the coup in Ukraine it was organized by the CIA. Then I want to tell you that president Yanukovich did not order to fire live ammunition at unarmed demonstrators. This is a lie concocted by CIA. Noone knows who exactly  fired live ammunition at unarmed demonstrators. There was a suggestion that it might be an Izraeli special forces who hid on the roof tops of neightbouring buildings. Anyway that was a provocation cooked and prepared by the CIA because they wanted to find a reason to dispose of Yanukovich, bring their puppets to power and start a war between Russia and Ukraine.
The most important thing that everyone needs to understand is that the coup and ensuing war in Ukraine was arranged by the CIA operatives. 

[gloffs]

Now, indeed, the people of Ukraine are massively abandoning the use of the Russian language as the language of the occupiers and are switching to Ukrainian. In particular, if before the war about 455 thousand schoolchildren studied the Russian language as a separate subject in Ukrainian schools, now less than a thousand schoolchildren study Russian in schools that survived Russian missile attacks. This is a pattern so that in Russia there is no desire to “protect” Russian speakers in Ukraine.

I find it very funny to read such an opinion that the people of Ukraine are massively abandoning the use of the Russian language as the language of the occupiers. Russian language is their native tongue. Why would they want to convert into Ukrainian? This is total BS. Besides Ukrainian language is an artificial construct that was invented by communists in the USSR.
I have heard many times opinions of many Ukrainians that live in Ukraine under nazi occupation. They just pretend to want to convert into Ukrainian language whereas in fact they don't want to forget their mother tongue and switch to Ukrainian.
They have to pretend to go along with that because they know that if they don't do that then they would be killed by Nazi Gestapo in Ukraine.