Russian ruble is scam

[gloffs]

And one more thing. I would not argue with you and not disagree with the fact that many young Ukrainian citizens are abandoning Russian language and switching to Ukrainian. This is true of course and it can be easily explained by the fact that the young generation in Ukraine has been brought up in the anti Russian hate, all this new generation has been massively brainwashed. So it's quite natural that they consider Russian language to be a language of occupiers.
Good work, CIA! This is a very important achievement.

And one more thing. it is becoming very interesting to read about one million of Ukrainian refugees who have  escaped conscription to the army by escaping to Western Europe. They have successfully escaped death in this way.
Nobody wants to die in a war organized by the CIA.
And now I am starting to hear more and more  that in Poland and many other European countries the local authorities are thinking that it might be worthwile to forcefully repatriate all Ukrainian males aged 18 to 60 back to Ukraine so that they would be conscripted to the army and thus Ukraine would once again have a chance to attack the Russian army.
It is very funny to read about that. It seems that soon all these European countries would start sending Ukrainian males out of their countries to certain death because forceful repatriation of any Ukrainian male into Ukraine is a death sentence.
I believe that soon the only hope that all these Ukrainian males would have to escape death in a war would be an escape to Russia where they would be met with friendliness and absolutely no hostiliities.
However Biden and his cronies want to kill as many Russians and Ukrainians as possible.
So I 'll be watching very closely how the events would unfold further.  
  
  

[gloffs]

Over the past 123 years, the Russian ruble has defaulted three times. What is the probability of a fourth default?

It's not a scam in the traditional sense of the word. It is just a currency run very badly by the government of Russia and a byproduct of awful leaders for this country. Russia is heavily reliant on oil production and mining to prop up its economy, it's very undiversified in that sense. Which means it is more liable to the cyclical swings and waning demands of the world economy. These industries crash very hard during recessions and drag the whole country down with it. Although some of those defaults probably have more roots in political instability than anything else.

You know, it is very funny to read about the default of Russian ruble. Wake up! The dollar default is already here. It has already happened, As soon as the US froze the foreign assets of Russia evrybody in the world understands that effectively this means the dollar default. Now the US is talking about not only freezing the Russian assets but outright confiscation of Russian foreign reserves. This is the US default pure and simple. 

[gloffs]

And you know what? I have in my mind one very important issue that must be taken into account and adhered to: protection of the army troops form deadly coronavirus infection.
What about it? How about it? Does the Ukrainian army vaccinate their soldiers from this very deadly coronavirus infection and if not why are they not doing it? Why has everybody forgotten about it? This is unacceptable behaviour.
Every soldier in the fields of Ukraine must be vaccinated against this deadly desease. Was all this pandemic for nothing? Didn't we learn anything? What is the army commander doing? What is he thinking about?
I believe that we must bring the importance of this issue to the relevant authorities in the theater of war activities.
We must fight the spread of coronavirus infection on the battlefield.
And what about distancing and masks? Do they understand that distancing and masking is of paramount importance? This can not be neglected anymore.
Every soldier should be in the distance of not less than 3 feet from another soldier. All army officers have to keep this rule in mind. I believe that the WHO does not do their work properly. Why are they neglecting this issue? This is unacceptable.       

[Argoo]

As regards the coup in Ukraine it was organized by the CIA. Then I want to tell you that president Yanukovich did not order to fire live ammunition at unarmed demonstrators. This is a lie concocted by CIA. Noone knows who exactly  fired live ammunition at unarmed demonstrators. There was a suggestion that it might be an Izraeli special forces who hid on the roof tops of neightbouring buildings. Anyway that was a provocation cooked and prepared by the CIA because they wanted to find a reason to dispose of Yanukovich, bring their puppets to power and start a war between Russia and Ukraine.
The most important thing that everyone needs to understand is that the coup and ensuing war in Ukraine was arranged by the CIA operatives. 

Did Israeli special forces shoot at the demonstrators from the roofs of neighboring houses? If you wrote that aliens did it, it would be more believable. But even if we consider this version, then armed special forces of another state can be in Ukraine only with the personal approval of then President Yanukovych, which absolutely does not relieve him of responsibility. But the video clearly shows that this was done by representatives of the Ukrainian riot police. They were wearing the same clothes with their faces covered, and this is what made it difficult in court to identify them. But some of them were convicted by Ukrainian courts, while others fled to Russia.

Did Ukraine want war with Russia? It’s complete nonsense, considering that before this Ukraine transferred to Russia the third most powerful nuclear potential in the world, transferred a significant part of its combat aircraft, missiles and other weapons with which Russia is now attacking. Ukraine significantly reduced the size of its army to such an extent that Russia eventually captured the Crimean peninsula without firing a shot. Ukraine simply did not have the opportunity to resist then, and at the same time you say that Ukraine was preparing to attack Russia? And as a result, Russia also carried out a large-scale attack on Ukraine in February 2022. Maybe you will still deny this? Russian propaganda twists all facts and events to the point of absurdity, but at the same time Russians firmly believe in it.

[gloffs]

Did Israeli special forces shoot at the demonstrators from the roofs of neighboring houses? If you wrote that aliens did it, it would be more believable. But even if we consider this version, then armed special forces of another state can be in Ukraine only with the personal approval of then President Yanukovych, which absolutely does not relieve him of responsibility. But the video clearly shows that this was done by representatives of the Ukrainian riot police. They were wearing the same clothes with their faces covered, and this is what made it difficult in court to identify them. But some of them were convicted by Ukrainian courts, while others fled to Russia.


As regards where these shooters come from nobody knows but I am aware of the fact that Yanukovoch was afraid of using military force against the demonstrators because he was not a hardliner at all. He was a civilized politician and that was his mistake. He could have quelled the rebellion if he was more decisive. But he chickened out and had to flee the country to avoid being killed by the nazi rebels.

Did Ukraine want war with Russia? It’s complete nonsense, considering that before this Ukraine transferred to Russia the third most powerful nuclear potential in the world, transferred a significant part of its combat aircraft, missiles and other weapons with which Russia is now attacking. Ukraine significantly reduced the size of its army to such an extent that Russia eventually captured the Crimean peninsula without firing a shot. Ukraine simply did not have the opportunity to resist then, and at the same time you say that Ukraine was preparing to attack Russia? And as a result, Russia also carried out a large-scale attack on Ukraine in February 2022. Maybe you will still deny this? Russian propaganda twists all facts and events to the point of absurdity, but at the same time Russians firmly believe in it.
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You remark about the Ukraine not wanting a war is funny because after the coup the Ukraine became a puppet country manipulated by the US as a puppet master.  Biden and his friends wanted a war very badly. They started poking the Russian bear and finally the bear complied.

It was not Ukraine that was preparing to attack Russia. It was the US that was in the process of installing US military bases all over Ukraine. At the same time CIA was brainwashing the younger generation in Ukraine to the effect that they started thinking that Moscow was guilty of all the problems in Ukraine.

Also I already told you about systematic bombing of the eastern regions of Ukraine by artillery fire.

The US was planning to install military bases and missiles that could reach Moscow within several minutes. What do you think would happen if Russia installed military bases and missiles in Mexico that would point in the direction of the US? How would the US like that?

Also Biden repeatedly said in his public speeches that the most important task was a regime change in Russia.

How do you think the US would react if some country installed military bases in Mexico and made a series of public statements that a regime change in Washington would be good for democracy and world peace?

As regards Russian propaganda which allegedly twists all the facts and events to the point of absurdity it is not Russian propaganda but Western propaganda which is doing it and you are doing it as well.

You might be either duped by the US propaganda and honestly mistaken or you might be spreading misinformation on this forum on purpose.

Anyway all the info that you refer to is misleading just like the Western propaganda is a blatant lie about the Ukraine war.

And one more thing. The traitor Zelensky and his company of traitors of Ukraine have betrayed the people of Ukraine and illegally sold large chunks of Ukrainian land to the US corporations like Blackrock and others.
So in effect it turns out that all these silly Ukrainian people figthing the Russian army are fighting not in the interest of their country but in the interest of the US oligarchs. That's pathetic. Of course the Western propaganda tells that they fight in the name of democracy.

 
       
 

[gloffs]

And again I suggest that you watch at least a few videos by colonel McGregor on youtube about Ukraine.
Hie is very well informed about the real situation and the real reason for this war.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vWyKAdtoyUM&pp=ygUZY29sb25lbCBtYWNncmVnb3IgdWtyYWluZQ%3D%3D
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=colonel+macgregor+ukraine

[Argoo]

It was not Ukraine that was preparing to attack Russia. It was the US that was in the process of installing US military bases all over Ukraine. At the same time CIA was brainwashing the younger generation in Ukraine to the effect that they started thinking that Moscow was guilty of all the problems in Ukraine.

Also I already told you about systematic bombing of the eastern regions of Ukraine by artillery fire.

The US was planning to install military bases and missiles that could reach Moscow within several minutes. What do you think would happen if Russia installed military bases and missiles in Mexico that would point in the direction of the US? How would the US like that?

Are there American military bases in Ukraine? Then indicate where exactly, I’ll go look at them, otherwise I’ve never even heard of such military bases. Almost every day, Russia fires missiles and drones at absolutely the entire territory of Ukraine. And she doesn’t touch the American military bases on the territory of Ukraine? Or are they simply not there?

If the United States wanted to destroy Russia or go to war with it, it would have been enough to provide Ukraine with the necessary military assistance back in 2022, and now at least the south of Ukraine and its Crimea peninsula would be liberated from Russian occupiers. As it is, the United States is still afraid of the escalation of the conflict with Russia and gives Ukraine minimal assistance, which, moreover, always arrives late.

Now Finland, after a large-scale attack on Ukraine, has become a member of NATO and has a common border with Russia of about 1200 kilometers. From its territory it is very convenient to launch missiles both at Moscow and St. Petersburg. From Finland it is even much closer than from Ukraine. But Russia does not react to this fact that way and still wants to capture Ukraine. Don't you think that something doesn't add up in your reasoning?

Is Ukraine shelling its own territory in Donbass? Wars always begin or escalate where “peacekeeping” Russian troops enter to provide assistance, as is happening in Georgia, Moldova, and Ukraine. Without such “help,” neighboring states would live calmly and peacefully. Putin's Russia has long turned into a terrorist state. That is why the civilized world logically wants a change in the Putin regime that rules there in Russia.

[gloffs]

Are there American military bases in Ukraine? Then indicate where exactly, I’ll go look at them, otherwise I’ve never even heard of such military bases. Almost every day, Russia fires missiles and drones at absolutely the entire territory of Ukraine. And she doesn’t touch the American military bases on the territory of Ukraine? Or are they simply not there?


No. Not yet. But the bases were in the plans.
Again let's turn it the other way around. Suppose the US invades Mexico after Russia arranges a coup in Mexico and starts bombshelling the eastern provinces of Mexico. And then you ask me the following: where are the military bases? There are no military bases. Therefore the US must be condemned for invading Mexico.
The same situation.
Then again in reply to your statement: Since 2014 almost every day Ukkrainian nazis have been firing missiles  at absolutely the entire territory of Donetsk and Lugansk and they have been systematically killing Russian speaking people.living there.
Please understand that after the coup of 2014 Ukraine has become and occupied country. It has been occupied by the CIA.


If the United States wanted to destroy Russia or go to war with it, it would have been enough to provide Ukraine with the necessary military assistance back in 2022, and now at least the south of Ukraine and its Crimea peninsula would be liberated from Russian occupiers. As it is, the United States is still afraid of the escalation of the conflict with Russia and gives Ukraine minimal assistance, which, moreover, always arrives late.


The US has a different goal in their mind. They want to weaken Russia as much as possible and they don't want either Ukraine or Russia to win in this war. The US is running a budget deficit of 34 trillions of dollars. This debt is unsustainable and everybody knows that this debt will never be repaid. So what the US is doing is that they installed financial sanctions against Russia. By this they are weakening Germany which has been buying gas at a very low cost from Russia. Hence Germany has lost its competitive edge and it can no longer compete with the US.
Since economic crisis is endagering economic supremacy of the US then the US arranges a war in Europe whereby business cooperation between Germany and Russia has come to an end.
What the US wants now is they want to create chaos in Europe. This chaos would drive numerous rich businessmen of Europe to move their capitals to the US and thereby the US would overcome the incoming financial crisis by using the fact that majority of rich people move their capitals to the US.
  

Now Finland, after a large-scale attack on Ukraine, has become a member of NATO and has a common border with Russia of about 1200 kilometers. From its territory it is very convenient to launch missiles both at Moscow and St. Petersburg. From Finland it is even much closer than from Ukraine. But Russia does not react to this fact that way and still wants to capture Ukraine. Don't you think that something doesn't add up in your reasoning?


I totally agree with this viewpoint of yours and I have been thinking it over from time to time myself but again what you don't understand is that since time immemorial Ukraine has been the land where Russians lived. In the past there was no Ukraine and the territory of Ukraine has always been a territory of Imperial Russia at least during 5 centuries if not more.
After the socialist revolution in 1917 the new Soviet republic that then was renamed USSR consisted of 15 Soviet Socilalist Republics and Ukraine was one of these republics.
Ukraine is an artificial construct, it was created by Lenin. Please understand that there was no Ukraine before 1917.
Then USSR disintegrated in 1991 and Ukaine gained independence as a separate country.
However the US was not sleeping and the State Department has been working with all these former Soviet republics in order to take advantage of and exploit all these former USSR republics to the advantage of the US.
Also please note that in the 90ies the US sent its advisors to Russia whereby they helped Russia to convert the economy of Russia to the so called market economy.
To make a long story short the US has been exploiting Russia by bying off the elite of Russia until Putin came to power and put an end to it.
Unfortunately nobody could do anything about Ukraine and finally the US managed to install the new puppet government.

One of the goals or dreams that all Ukrainian population has been dreaming about since the beginning of 21st century has been visa free entry to the Western countries.

One could say that this dream was the main reason behind Maidan or government coup in 2012 in Ukraine. And they got it some time ago. At last the people of Ukraine got a right of visa free travel to the West. They deserved it because they have been dreaming about it all the time.
Now let’s fast forward 10 years and what do we see?

We see that the government of Ukraine has turned Ukraine into one large concentration camp because any military aged man is not allowed to travel outside Ukraine.
The Ukrainian military needs men of military age in as large quantities as possible and that’s the main reason behind this law.
I have read many times that military registration and enlistment offices in Ukraine are literally kidnapping Ukrainian men of military age in streets, in their homes, when they go shopping or go to fitness centers, everywhere they could.
Because of that law men in Ukraine have to hide in villages in cellars, everywhere they could hide.

In contrast I do not see anything of this kind happening in Russia. People of male sex in Russia are not terrorized in this way here in Russia. They can even go abroad without any problems.

So it turns out that Ukraine has turned itself into a large concentration camp based on the concept of Western democracy.
It turns out that Western democracy and concentration camp is one and the same.

But Putin’s Russia is not a concentration camp. I can easily go abroad if I have money to buy a ticket.

I am not rooting for Putin and I have my own beef with Putin but at least people in Russia are not murdered like they are murdered in Ukraine by the government of Ukraine.

In conclusion I want to say that all these events in Ukraine have been taking place under careful and watchful eye of the US administration.
So much for the Western democracy.
That’s what I want to get across to you.


Is Ukraine shelling its own territory in Donbass? Wars always begin or escalate where “peacekeeping” Russian troops enter to provide assistance, as is happening in Georgia, Moldova, and Ukraine. Without such “help,” neighboring states would live calmly and peacefully. Putin's Russia has long turned into a terrorist state. That is why the civilized world logically wants a change in the Putin regime that rules there in Russia.


Yes that is correct. The Ukraine has been firing artilerry shells at the eastern parts of Ukraine during the last 10 years.

By the way here is an opinion of Doug Casey regarding this conflict:
 
It's completely dishonest for Biden to blame Putin for the war in the Ukraine and say that's the cause of inflation. It's a bit off-topic here, but the war is mostly the fault of the US, expanding NATO to Russia's border, replacing a Russian stooge in the Ukraine with US stooges starting in 2014, and backing a bloody war against the Donbas republics when they seceded. Putin's unfortunate invasion is basically just a reaction to US meddling. In essence, it's just a border war between two shithole countries in a region where frontiers have been moving for many hundreds of years. But US meddling might yet turn it into WW3.

The war in Ukraine is the culmination of a 30-year project of the American neoconservative movement. The Biden Administration is packed with the same neocons who championed the US wars of choice in Serbia (1999), Afghanistan (2001), Iraq (2003), Syria (2011), Libya (2011), and who did so much to provoke Russia’s invasion of Ukraine. The neocon track record is one of unmitigated disaster, yet Biden has staffed his team with neocons. As a result, Biden is steering Ukraine, the US, and the European Union towards yet another geopolitical debacle.

One dumb war after another. And $10 - $15 trillion down the drain. The ‘armed wing of the deep state’ – the war mongers on the banks of the Potomac – have gotten richer. Everyone else has gotten poorer.

For decades, the war mongers have kept the pot boiling, always looking for enemies – foreign and domestic. And this past February, 2022, they finally succeeded in goading Russia into war. The long, sorry history of government in the Ukraine is beyond the scope of this blog. So, too, is it beyond the interest of Americans, generally. There couldn’t be more than a few dozen people in the whole US who care whether the Donetsk People’s Republic is controlled by the Ukrainians, by the Russians, or by the people themselves.

One of the goals of the war industry has been to make Russia the “them” that “us” has to fight. Though, in 1990, US Secretary of State James Baker had promised Mikhail Gorbachev that NATO would “not advance one inch to the East,” by 2022, it had pushed Putin’s back to the wall. NATO’s missiles in the Ukraine were as unacceptable to Vladimir Putin in 2022 as Soviet missiles in Cuba were to John Kennedy in 1962. And when the Biden Administration brushed off his concerns, Putin took action.

[blckhawk]

Even if it defaults, the influence of Kremlin is still there and Russia will continue to be one of the superpower nations, the people will starve but it's not a big deal for Putin as long as he's alive, I'm sure that there's going to be more defaults in the near future, that's how they reset things right?

Why did the USA lie to the Soviet leader in 1990 when Reagan promised to Gorbachov that NATO would not expand to the east? They lied to him and now the US was implementing a plan to install military bases in Ukraine. Do you know anything about it? 

At this point, I don't think that matters anymore, if US didn't plan to build these bases, we'd probably see Russia invading Ukraine anyway and not to mention that it was a promise between Gorbachev and not with Putin, Putin wanted to claim the lost lands of the Soviet Union but that's impossible because those lands that he's claiming have their own sovereignty so Russia is still in the wrong here.

[gloffs]

Even if it defaults, the influence of Kremlin is still there and Russia will continue to be one of the superpower nations, the people will starve but it's not a big deal for Putin as long as he's alive, I'm sure that there's going to be more defaults in the near future, that's how they reset things right?

There is no point in talking about possible ruble default because foreign money does not go into Russian securities or Treasuries. I mean hardly any foreign investors have bought any securities denominated in rubles.  

At this point, I don't think that matters anymore, if US didn't plan to build these bases, we'd probably see Russia invading Ukraine anyway and not to mention that it was a promise between Gorbachev and not with Putin, Putin wanted to claim the lost lands of the Soviet Union but that's impossible because those lands that he's claiming have their own sovereignty so Russia is still in the wrong here.


I believe that you are wrong here. The primary reason for invasion is the fact that the US have been building the army of Ukraine soon after the coup that brought US puppets to power in Ukraine. The US were plannng all along a war between Russia and Ukraine because this war helped them to weaken Russia. This was their strategy from the start. Even Mr Bzezhinsky wrote about this srategy in his books some 20 years ago.
Why didn't Putin invade Ukraine in 2014? Because he did not want to invade but in the long run he had to do it since he was pushed by Biden.
As regards your claim that those lands have their own sovereignty so Russia is still in the wrong here I disagree with you again.
The thing is that the new leadership that came to power in Ukraine after the coup was illegitimate. The new Ukrainian authorites were illegitimately installed by the US administration. There was no country with a name of Ukraine until 1917. This land has been a terrirory of Russia during many preceding centuries. Russia did not object against  sovereignty of Ukraine until the legimate president of Ukraine was overthrown and substituted by a US puppet (Zelensky).
In fact Zelensky is a traitor of Ukrainian people.      

[Argoo]

I believe that you are wrong here. The primary reason for invasion is the fact that the US have been building the army of Ukraine soon after the coup that brought US puppets to power in Ukraine. The US were plannng all along a war between Russia and Ukraine because this war helped them to weaken Russia. This was their strategy from the start. Even Mr Bzezhinsky wrote about this srategy in his books some 20 years ago.
Why didn't Putin invade Ukraine in 2014? Because he did not want to invade but in the long run he had to do it since he was pushed by Biden.
As regards your claim that those lands have their own sovereignty so Russia is still in the wrong here I disagree with you again.
The thing is that the new leadership that came to power in Ukraine after the coup was illegitimate. The new Ukrainian authorites were illegitimately installed by the US administration. There was no country with a name of Ukraine until 1917. This land has been a terrirory of Russia during many preceding centuries. Russia did not object against  sovereignty of Ukraine until the legimate president of Ukraine was overthrown and substituted by a US puppet (Zelensky).
In fact Zelensky is a traitor of Ukrainian people.      

Putin attacked Ukraine because he cannot tolerate a democratic state near his borders. This is a bad example for his authoritarian empire, which relies on force of arms and coercion. In addition, he wants to appropriate the history of Ukraine and turn it into his own history of the Russian Federation. Although Russians are called Russians, they are not the same thing. Russia as a state arose under Tsar Peter the Great at the turn of the 17th-18th centuries, and the state of Kievan Rus, with the center of the capital of present-day Ukraine Kyiv, was one of the most powerful states in Europe back in the 9th century, and present-day Moscow, being then still a small village, belonged to the Kyiv prince Yuri Dolgoruky. Therefore, before the reign of Peter the Great, Russians were called Muscovites, and the state itself was called Muscovy, but not Russians at all, since they had nothing to do with Rus', Kievan Rus. Now Russia is laying claim to the lands of Ukraine, although it is Ukraine that has the right to claim its historical lands, right up to Moscow.

The name "Ukraine" first appeared in the Kyiv Chronicle in 1187. Then it was rarely used, but it began to be used constantly from Cossack times, that is, from the 16th-17th centuries. “Ukraine” is one of the official names of the Cossack state that arose after the uprising of Bohdan Khmelnitsky against Polish power in the mid-17th century (along with other names - the Zaporozhian Army, Hetmanate, Little Russia).
@Ozero wrote about this well in his post dated April 04.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5470489.msg63899296#msg63899296

Therefore, do not repeat Russian propagandists who deliberately distort history to suit Putin’s imperial ambitions and say that before 1917 there was no country called Ukraine. It dates back to at least the ninth century and was then called Kievan Rus. But Russia did not exist for another eight centuries after that.

Regarding the overthrown president of Ukraine, not a single president has been overthrown in Ukraine. If you mean Yanukovych, then I already wrote that he himself fled from Ukraine, fearing reprisals for shooting down a peaceful protest. Subsequently, he was convicted by the courts of Ukraine for high treason and other criminal charges.
After Yanukovych, from February 23 to June 7, 2014, the duties of the president were performed by the Chairman of the National Security and Defense Council of Ukraine Turchynov, then, after the popular elections from June 7, 2014 to May 20, 2019, Poroshenko was the President of Ukraine and from May 20, 2019 to the present, Zelensky. By the way, 73.22% of Ukrainian voters voted for Zelensky in the elections and international observers confirmed the free expression of the will of Ukrainians in the presidential elections. Therefore, Zelensky is a completely legitimate president. If you have facts that Zelensky was appointed president of Ukraine by the United States, provide such facts to us.

[gloffs]

Putin attacked Ukraine because he cannot tolerate a democratic state near his borders.

Democracy? Again you are talking aboit demcracy! And then you would also be telling me that in Vietnam, Irak, Libiya,Afganistan the US was bringing democracy to all those countries? The type of democracy  that brought about deaths of millions of people.  


This is a bad example for his authoritarian empire, which relies on force of arms and coercion.

As I have already told you many times before Biden provoked this attack.


In addition, he wants to appropriate the history of Ukraine and turn it into his own history of the Russian Federation. Although Russians are called Russians, they are not the same thing. Russia as a state arose under Tsar Peter the Great at the turn of the 17th-18th centuries, and the state of Kievan Rus, with the center of the capital of present-day Ukraine Kyiv, was one of the most powerful states in Europe back in the 9th century, and present-day Moscow, being then still a small village, belonged to the Kyiv prince Yuri Dolgoruky. Therefore, before the reign of Peter the Great, Russians were called Muscovites, and the state itself was called Muscovy, but not Russians at all, since they had nothing to do with Rus', Kievan Rus. Now Russia is laying claim to the lands of Ukraine, although it is Ukraine that has the right to claim its historical lands, right up to Moscow.

The name "Ukraine" first appeared in the Kyiv Chronicle in 1187. Then it was rarely used, but it began to be used constantly from Cossack times, that is, from the 16th-17th centuries. “Ukraine” is one of the official names of the Cossack state that arose after the uprising of Bohdan Khmelnitsky against Polish power in the mid-17th century (along with other names - the Zaporozhian Army, Hetmanate, Little Russia).
@Ozero wrote about this well in his post dated April 04.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5470489.msg63899296#msg63899296


This is total BS that you are talking about here. The meaning of the word Ukraine means okraina in Russian which can be translated as "at the border" that is at the border of Russia.
Ukraine has bever been a separate country. From times immemorial Kiev Rus and Moscovia has been one and the same country. It is all inhabited by one people.
These are not different peoples because they have been using the Russian language as their main mother tongue.
I have been living in USSR and then in Russia, I know lots of Ukrainian people and my father was a Ukrainian.
What you are trying to do is prove that Ukraine is a separate country and a separate people.
This is total BS. How can it be a separate people when they are using Russian as their mother tongue?
Ukrainian language was invented by communists in the times of USSR.
You should be thankful to Lenin for this.
  

Therefore, do not repeat Russian propagandists who deliberately distort history to suit Putin’s imperial ambitions and say that before 1917 there was no country called Ukraine. It dates back to at least the ninth century and was then called Kievan Rus. But Russia did not exist for another eight centuries after that.


Putin does not have any imperial ambitions. It s just that CIA installed pro American regime in Ukraine in violation of their promise in 1990 that NATO would not move a single inch to the east after USSR disintegrates.

Why did not Putin invade Ukraine in 2014? He could have done it in 2014.
The fact is that he was forced to invade Ukraine because the US insitigated hate toward Russia in Ukraine  as well as because 2 breakaway provinces of Ukraine inhabited by Russian speaking population were regularly and sytematically fired upon by Ukrainian neo nazi.

Why don't you admit the fact that many thousands of Russian speaking people have been killed by artillery fire starting from 2014?    

Regarding the overthrown president of Ukraine, not a single president has been overthrown in Ukraine. If you mean Yanukovych, then I already wrote that he himself fled from Ukraine, fearing reprisals for shooting down a peaceful protest. Subsequently, he was convicted by the courts of Ukraine for high treason and other criminal charges.
After Yanukovych, from February 23 to June 7, 2014, the duties of the president were performed by the Chairman of the National Security and Defense Council of Ukraine Turchynov, then, after the popular elections from June 7, 2014 to May 20, 2019, Poroshenko was the President of Ukraine and from May 20, 2019 to the present, Zelensky. By the way, 73.22% of Ukrainian voters voted for Zelensky in the elections and international observers confirmed the free expression of the will of Ukrainians in the presidential elections. Therefore, Zelensky is a completely legitimate president. If you have facts that Zelensky was appointed president of Ukraine by the United States, provide such facts to us.


Yanukovich fled Ukraine not because of his alleged crimes but because he was afraid for his life. Ukraine has turned into a police state.
Yanukovich did not give orders to shoot at people. Instead he was trying to resolve this conflict by peaceful methods but hadn't succeeded in this because Maidan was orchestrated by CIA.
As regards all the presidents of Ukraine that you refer to tell me why these presidents did not stop massive artillery bombardments of those two breakaway provinces?
The people living in those 2 provinces did not vote for Poroshenko or Zelinsky.
And again I want to reiterate that Zelensky is a traitor because he illegally sold to the US corporations large chunks of Ukrainian land.

All the time in your posts you say that Putin is a dictator and a tyrant. OK. Let us imagine that you are right.
If this is the case can you tell me why Ukraine has been turned into a police state?

Why the police if Ukraine is kidnapping the male population al over Ukraine and forcing them to die in the war?

At least here in Russia nobody is kidnapping us on the streets and forcing us to fight in the war.  

Those who went to the front did it of their own free will because they understand that Ukraine has been converted by CIA into a fascist police state.

if I want to travel abroad I have no problem with that. I just need to buy a ticket and local authorities would not prevent me from doing it but for some strange reason not any single Ukrainian male aged 18 to 60 is allowed to travel abroad.

There is a law forbidding it. How can Ukraine be a democracy when Ukrainian people are not allowed by law to travel outside of the country? What kind of democracy is that?

Well? Can you explain why? Can anyone explain it to me? What kind of democracy is this?

This is exactly the kind of democracy that the US is bringing to the whole world, that kind of democracy that kills and murders large quantities of people who do not want such a democracy    

[gloffs]

There is one more thing that I want to say about Argoo.
I can clearly see from his posts that my opponent knows English much better than me and he tells me that he is a Ukrainian who has been living in Ukraine and therefore he knows Ukraine better than me?
This is preposterous. English is his native tongue and he is not a Ukrainian.
No Ukrainian living in Ukraine all his life can have such a good mastery of English. English is his native language, not Ukrainian. Therefore i am not talking with a Ukrainian.   

[Argoo]

if I want to travel abroad I have no problem with that. I just need to buy a ticket and local authorities would not prevent me from doing it but for some strange reason not any single Ukrainian male aged 18 to 60 is allowed to travel abroad.

There is a law forbidding it. How can Ukraine be a democracy when Ukrainian people are not allowed by law to travel outside of the country? What kind of democracy is that?

Well? Can you explain why? Can anyone explain it to me? What kind of democracy is this?

According to Article 65 of the Constitution of Ukraine, “the defense of the Fatherland, independence and territorial integrity of Ukraine is the responsibility of citizens of Ukraine.” Ukraine as a sovereign state was attacked by a brutal Russian horde that robs, kills and rapes civilians, destroying everything in its path. Therefore, citizens of Ukraine are obliged to defend their state, their family and friends. In order to counter the illegal evasion of military duty by some citizens for the period of military operations and until victory over the Russian occupiers, Ukraine has introduced restrictions on travel abroad for persons of conscription age, that is, from 25 to 60 years.

In Russia, there are now also separate restrictions on leaving the country in relation to some officials, deputies, persons who have unfinished enforcement proceedings and in relation to some other categories.

https://rtvi.com/news/reuters-rossijskim-chinovnikam-i-deputatam-ogranichili-vyezd-za-graniczu/

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://www.rbc.ru/finances/07/02/2024/65c0e1af9a7947cc76853d1a&ved=2ahUKEwiMw6mG9_WFAxXrh_0HHXDrBZkQFno ECEMQAQ&usg=AOvVaw2slMq-6QxQgOfFvqgCyn6H

But unlike Ukraine, about 140 million people live in Russia. There are probably less than 35 million citizens in Ukraine already. Every month in Russia 20-30 thousand people are mobilized, who during this time are disposed of on the fronts of Ukraine. Russian human meat also does not want to die for Putin’s imperial ambitions, which is why in Russia over seven thousand former military personnel have already been convicted of desertion.

[gloffs]

According to Article 65 of the Constitution of Ukraine, “the defense of the Fatherland, independence and territorial integrity of Ukraine is the responsibility of citizens of Ukraine.” Ukraine as a sovereign state was attacked by a brutal Russian horde that robs, kills and rapes civilians, destroying everything in its path. Therefore, citizens of Ukraine are obliged to defend their state, their family and friends. In order to counter the illegal evasion of military duty by some citizens for the period of military operations and until victory over the Russian occupiers, Ukraine has introduced restrictions on travel abroad for persons of conscription age, that is, from 25 to 60 years.


There is no point in citing constitution of Ukraine because the laws of Ukraine are written by CIA stooges. The fact is that any males in Ukraine aged 18 to 60 are kidnapped out in the streets by the Ukrainian nazi police.
This is no democracy. This is a police state.
There is no such kidnappings of males  out in the streets of Russia. This means that the male population of Ukraine does not want to die in the war. It is the US and it's agents like Zelensky who want for people to die in this war.
The US neocons are very happy about the fact that Russians die at this war on both sides of the war.
They want to solve the Russian question once and for all.
 


In Russia, there are now also separate restrictions on leaving the country in relation to some officials, deputies, persons who have unfinished enforcement proceedings and in relation to some other categories.

https://rtvi.com/news/reuters-rossijskim-chinovnikam-i-deputatam-ogranichili-vyezd-za-graniczu/

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://www.rbc.ru/finances/07/02/2024/65c0e1af9a7947cc76853d1a&ved=2ahUKEwiMw6mG9_WFAxXrh_0HHXDrBZkQFno ECEMQAQ&usg=AOvVaw2slMq-6QxQgOfFvqgCyn6H


Yes. That is correct. What this means is that Russia is a democracy and Ukraine is a police state. That's loud and clear.
 
But unlike Ukraine, about 140 million people live in Russia. There are probably less than 35 million citizens in Ukraine already. Every month in Russia 20-30 thousand people are mobilized, who during this time are disposed of on the fronts of Ukraine. Russian human meat also does not want to die for Putin’s imperial ambitions, which is why in Russia over seven thousand former military personnel have already been convicted of desertion.


Again there is no kidnapping of people out in the streets of Russia. The male popuation of Ukraine does not want to die in the war. This means to me that the majority of Ukrainian population does not want to serve in the army and does not accept legitimacy of Zelensky. That's what I have been telling you here all along.
People vote against Zelensky regime wuth their feet. That's pure and clear and you can't disagree with me on this.

And yet you haven't admitted that thousands of Ukraininan Russians in the east provinces of Ukraine have been killed since 2014. You don't want to admit the crimes that were commited by Poroshenko and Zelensky regime under US guidance.

This speaks volumes about who you are and what is your end goal in this forum. You're just a US propagandist, not a Ukrainian citizen living in Ukraine. You have nothing to do with Ukraine and thus have no right to speak about Ukraine as if it were your home country.  

[Argoo]

And yet you haven't admitted that thousands of Ukraininan Russians in the east provinces of Ukraine have been killed since 2014. You don't want to admit the crimes that were commited by Poroshenko and Zelensky regime under US guidance.

In 2014, a detachment of former Russian FSB employee Girkin entered the Donbass and, with the help of a criminal element, corrupt individuals and others, had the Kremlin’s task of raising a rebellion in the region and first declaring it independent, and then annexing it to Russia. Due to the indecisiveness of the Ukrainian authorities at that time, they began to do this quite successfully. But the separatists began to be pushed towards the Russian border by some units of the Ukrainian Armed Forces and volunteers, armed only with small arms. Russia then introduced eight operational-tactical groups of its armed forces in armored vehicles into this Ukrainian territory and inflicted a significant defeat on the defenders of Ukraine.

  After this, at gunpoint from tanks, then-Ukrainian President Poroshenko concluded the so-called Minsk Agreement with Russia, which established the demarcation line between the separatists and Ukraine. Since then, there has been fighting along this border. For years, Russia did not recognize the presence of its military personnel there, who were first formally dismissed from the Russian army and transferred to the so-called DPR and LPR. Russia fully armed this group and, with the help of its instructors, organized military operations against Ukraine.

Initially, Russia planned to return after some time the self-proclaimed republics - DPR and LPR to Ukraine, but with expanded autonomy - the right to have its own structure of courts and law enforcement agencies, representation in the highest structures of power in Ukraine and with this help prevent Ukraine’s movement into the European Union and NATO. But Ukraine did not agree with this, after which Russia simply began to terrorize it, periodically shelling both Ukrainian territory and the occupied front-line part of the Luhansk and Donetsk regions. At the same time, Putin’s Russia has constantly accused and accuses Ukraine of this.

In 2022, Russia wanted to resolve the issue radically and seize all of Ukraine. We can now see what happened next.

[gloffs]

In 2014, a detachment of former Russian FSB employee Girkin entered the Donbass and, with the help of a criminal element, corrupt individuals and others, had the Kremlin’s task of raising a rebellion in the region and first declaring it independent, and then annexing it to Russia. Due to the indecisiveness of the Ukrainian authorities at that time, they began to do this quite successfully. But the separatists began to be pushed towards the Russian border by some units of the Ukrainian Armed Forces and volunteers, armed only with small arms. Russia then introduced eight operational-tactical groups of its armed forces in armored vehicles into this Ukrainian territory and inflicted a significant defeat on the defenders of Ukraine.


By the way this former Russian FSB employee Girkin has been imprisoned by Putin for as they say defamation of the Russian army.  

I have watched numerous videos of Girkin and I must say that he is a real patriot of Russia. His imprisonment is not fair because he’s not an enemy but a friend of Russian people.

Now going back to the information about the actions of Girkin the info that you posted is a lie. I know what happened at that time. Girkin traveled there to assist the rebels of Donbass and Lugansk in their fighting against neo nazies. These nazies have already started killing Russian speaking people all over Ukraine, for instance about 64 Russian Ukrainians have already been burned alive in Odessa by the nazies.

The people in Donetsk and Lugansk did not want to become victims of the nazies and so they decided to secede from Ukraine and disobey the Kiev regime. In reply Poroshenko sent the army to a nearby town and from that time they started firing at Donetsk and Lugansk and thousands of people have been killed there by this shelling.

In fact Putin did not send any arms or reinforcements to Girkin at that time and Girkin had to come back to Russia because he knew that Moscow was planning to kill him there.

After this, at gunpoint from tanks, then-Ukrainian President Poroshenko concluded the so-called Minsk Agreement with Russia, which established the demarcation line between the separatists and Ukraine. Since then, there has been fighting along this border. For years, Russia did not recognize the presence of its military personnel there, who were first formally dismissed from the Russian army and transferred to the so-called DPR and LPR. Russia fully armed this group and, with the help of its instructors, organized military operations against Ukraine.



This is quite correct.

Initially, Russia planned to return after some time the self-proclaimed republics - DPR and LPR to Ukraine, but with expanded autonomy - the right to have its own structure of courts and law enforcement agencies, representation in the highest structures of power in Ukraine and with this help prevent Ukraine’s movement into the European Union and NATO. But Ukraine did not agree with this, after which Russia simply began to terrorize it, periodically shelling both Ukrainian territory and the occupied front-line part of the Luhansk and Donetsk regions. At the same time, Putin’s Russia has constantly accused and accuses Ukraine of this.

What are you smoking? It was not Russia that started terrorizing Ukraine. It was the Ukrainian army that started regular shelling of this territory which led to thousands being killed there by artillery fire and these massive killings of ordinary people was one of the reasons for the ensuing invasion.

By the way Putin is not planning to occupy all the territory of Ukraine because it would be impractical to do it. Such an occupation would require a lot of resources that would quickly bankrupt Russia. .      

[Argoo]

The people in Donetsk and Lugansk did not want to become victims of the nazies and so they decided to secede from Ukraine and disobey the Kiev regime. In reply Poroshenko sent the army to a nearby town and from that time they started firing at Donetsk and Lugansk and thousands of people have been killed there by this shelling.

You claim that the Ukrainian army has been shelling Donetsk since 2014, that is, for ten years now. During this time, only ruins should remain from Donetsk. When “brotherly Russia” “liberates” the Russian-speaking population in Donbass and other regions of Ukraine, up to 90 percent of residential areas become complete ruins, and out of several tens of thousands of the population, only a few thousand remain. But Donetsk will remain relatively intact. True, there is practically no electricity, water or other utilities, there are mountains of garbage on the streets because it hasn’t been cleaned up for a long time, but in general the houses are standing. But from Avdeevka, where the Ukrainian Armed Forces have been stationed since 2014, Donetsk is very close, only about 12-15 kilometers. So, Russian propaganda has no logic in the shelling of Donetsk by the Armed Forces of Ukraine for ten years, given its current relative integrity. This is all a deliberate lie in order to subsequently justify an act of military aggression.

You write, is the Ukrainian Armed Forces killing the Russian-speaking population of Ukraine? Do you know that in the Armed Forces of Ukraine they still very often speak Russian among themselves? Until Russia undertook to protect the Russian-speaking population of Ukraine, there was no persecution of Russian speakers at all. Yes, after Ukraine gained independence, officials began to be required to know the state language - Ukrainian. And who spoke and how they spoke in everyday life was of no interest to anyone at all. But after Russia allegedly began to protect Russian speakers in Ukraine, the Russians themselves have already killed tens of thousands of Russian speakers.

And now in numbers. According to data from the reports of the Human Rights Commissioner of the Donetsk People's Republic, it is clear that from 2017 to 2021, only 76 civilians died in the DPR. Of these, in 2017 - 278 (of which 32 are civilian, the rest are military DPR), in 2018 - 154 (civilian 19), in 2019 - 160 (civilian 9), in 2020 - 44 (civilian 9), in 2021 - 77 ( civilian 7). For comparison, about 90-100 people per year die in road accidents on the territory of the DPR.

https://sysblok.ru/infographics/byl-li-genocid-statistika-gibeli-zhitelej-donbassa-v-2014-2021-godah/

[Argoo]

Now, indeed, the people of Ukraine are massively abandoning the use of the Russian language as the language of the occupiers and are switching to Ukrainian. In particular, if before the war about 455 thousand schoolchildren studied the Russian language as a separate subject in Ukrainian schools, now less than a thousand schoolchildren study Russian in schools that survived Russian missile attacks. This is a pattern so that in Russia there is no desire to “protect” Russian speakers in Ukraine.

I find it very funny to read such an opinion that the people of Ukraine are massively abandoning the use of the Russian language as the language of the occupiers. Russian language is their native tongue. Why would they want to convert into Ukrainian? This is total BS. Besides Ukrainian language is an artificial construct that was invented by communists in the USSR.
I have heard many times opinions of many Ukrainians that live in Ukraine under nazi occupation. They just pretend to want to convert into Ukrainian language whereas in fact they don't want to forget their mother tongue and switch to Ukrainian.
They have to pretend to go along with that because they know that if they don't do that then they would be killed by Nazi Gestapo in Ukraine.

Just the facts:

The number of people who consider Ukrainian their native language has increased from 57% in 2012 to 76% in 2022.

The most noticeable changes in attitudes towards the language occurred between 2012-2016 due to the events of the Revolution of Dignity, the Russian war against Ukraine in 2014, the temporary occupation of Crimea and certain territories of the Donetsk and Lugansk regions.

The number of Russian-speaking Ukrainians was about 40% in 2012, 26% at the end of 2021 and 18% at the beginning of the war.

Russian speakers are increasingly becoming bilingual. Their number increased from 15 to 32%.
The number of those who constantly use only Ukrainian at home has increased slightly – from 44% to 48%.

The war in Ukraine has influenced attitudes towards the status of the language: today 83% of Ukrainians are in favor of Ukrainian being the only state language in Ukraine. Only 7% of Ukrainians are in favor of granting state status to the Russian language.

About 67% of Ukrainians believe that there are no problems between Ukrainian-speaking and Russian-speaking citizens in Ukraine; 19% believe that the language problem exists, but it is not important. Only 12% believe that the language issue poses a threat to internal security.

https://forbes.ua/ru/news/ponad-70-ukraintsiv-vvazhayut-ridnoyu-movoyu-ukrainsku-25032022-5030

[gloffs]

Good job, CIA! I believe CIA operatives have done a very good job. They have achieved artificial division of Russia and Ukraine despite it being one people.

Of course they managed to do it because they found lots of willing assistants (traitors) among the elite of Ukraine. By the way in Russia we also have a lot of traitors among the elite but at this time they are afraid of losing their highly paid jobs  if they let their true feelings to be discovered.

As regards your statement that the number of Ukrainians switching to Ukrainian language this is true mostly for a young generation because all these young people have been bombarded with anti Russian propaganda during at least 20 years, basically all their lives. So they have been brought up with an idea that Russia is their mortal enemy #1. In fact the US should be their mortal enemy #1 but I believe that sooner or later more and more Ukrainians will come to their senses and understand that they are just being used by the US as a cannon fodder because in fact the neocons in the US are very glad and happy that large quantities of Russians and Ukrainians are being slaughtered in the front line.