Russian ruble is scam

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To expose your lies, it is enough to go through the chronology of the development of events. The first in this chain of military events was the escape on February 22, 2014 of the then President of Ukraine Yanukovych on three military Russian helicopters to Crimea, where, under a lease agreement, there was a Russian military base of the Russian Black Sea Fleet.

  On the morning of February 23, Putin announced his decision to annex the Ukrainian peninsula. Already by that time, in the cities of the Autonomous Republic of Crimea, the so-called “little green men” were noticed - professional Russian military personnel without identification marks, preparing a springboard for the seizure of sovereign Ukrainian territory.

On February 27, armed people without identification marks seized the Supreme Council of Crimea and the Council of Ministers of Crimea, hanging Russian flags on them. In a building seized by armed people, local deputies scheduled a referendum “on the status of Crimea” for May 25.

On the night of February 27, the seizure of the Belbek airport in Sevastopol began - about 400 Russian troops occupied it, blocking the entrances to the territory with barbed wire. Russian planes land at the airport, and the movement of Russian equipment is recorded.

On March 1, the leader of the Russian Unity party, Sergei Aksenov, appointed by local deputies as the new prime minister of the Autonomous Republic of Crimea, called on Putin to send Russian regular troops to Crimea - by the evening the Kremlin had made a corresponding decision. The Russian military (usually without identification marks) begins an active seizure of Ukrainian military units and infrastructure facilities on the peninsula.

The next day, March 2, the Parliamentary Assembly of the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe (OSCE) condemned the military aggression of the Russian Federation and called for an end to the annexation of sovereign Ukrainian territory.



What it is that I lie about? How exactly do I lie?
Do you want to say that Russian speaking Ukrainians were not burned alive in Odessa in 2014?
Do you want to say that there was no artillery bombardment of 2 rebel provinces?



On March 16, at gunpoint from the Russian military, an illegal “referendum” was held in Crimea, the ballots of which contained two questions:
• “Are you for the reunification of Crimea with Russia as a subject of the Russian Federation?”
• “Are you for restoring the 1992 Constitution of the Republic of Crimea and for the status of Crimea as a part of Ukraine?”
At the same time, the “ballot” assumed the answer to only one of these questions and only “yes” - by checking the appropriate box next to the question. Any mark was interpreted as a “yes” answer, while two marks invalidated the ballot. Thus, citizens could vote either “yes” or their answer would be invalidated. https://nv.ua/ukraine/politics/okkupaciya-kryma-kak-rf-provela-feykovyy-referendum-hronika-novosti-ukrainy-50010647.html


I don't believe Ukrainian press. They can't be trusted because following Maidan CIA took the country and dictated who should say what.  


As of 2021, no state has issued official legal acts recognizing Crimea as part of Russia, although official representatives of several states (Afghanistan, Belarus, Bolivia, Syria, Sudan, North Korea) spoke out in support of the Russian position.


I am not interested in hearing opinion of any state on the issue of Crimea. The fact is that Crimea has always been a territory of Russia since 17th century.
The only argument that Ukraine uses is that Krushov gave Crimea to Ukraine in order to simplify bureaucratic procedures.
Krushov could not forsee in 1954 that USSR would disintegrate in 1991 and Crimea would become a territory of Ukraine which would become a separate country under US control that would have Ukraine join NATO, which is a mortal enemy of Russia.
It's just that Krushov made a colossal mistake in 1954 by this edict and the US is using this as a pretext to declare that Putin is Hitler.
The US promised to Gorbachov in 1990 that NATO would not move to the East. That promise was broken.
I believe that in view of this fact Putin did a right thing by annexing Crimea.
I think that Crimea could be returned back to Ukraine in case NATO withdraws from all those Eastern European countries. This seems pretty fair to me.
NATO broke their promise and this was admitted by them. Why doesn't NATO rectify their crime and then Crimea could be returned to Ukraine? How about that?
  

Thus, Russia’s military aggression, as a result of which the Ukrainian Crimean peninsula was seized by force, occurred in February-March 2014. The date of the start of hostilities on the territory of the Donetsk and Luhansk regions of Ukraine is considered to be April 12, 2014, when several dozen people, some of whom had Russian citizenship and had previously participated in the annexation of Crimea, under the command of a former Russian FSB employee Girkin, seized administrative buildings in Slavyansk, Donetsk region . But this is a completely different stage of Russian military aggression. https://ru.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A5%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%BD%D0%BE%D0%BB%D0%BE%D0%B3%D0%B8 %D1%8F_%D0%B2%D0%BE%D0%B9%D0%BD%D1%8B_%D0%B2_%D0%94%D0%BE%D0%BD%D0%B1%D0%B0%D1 %81%D1%81%D0%B5

So who began to seize foreign territory by military means, and is thus the aggressor? Undoubtedly, Putin's Russia.


The chronological order that you refer to does not matter. Why are you talking about it?
Besides I can add that Maidan took place in the end of 2013. As soon as Maidan took place it was clear as a day that this was a coup carried out by CIA. That's why 2 breakaway provinces decided to break away from Ukraine and that's why Crimea was annexed by Russia.
Maidan in Ukraine was a crime commited by the US. Therefore it must be brought to justice and annexation of Crimea was a sort of justice served.
 

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By the way I vividly remember the day when I first read about the MH-17 Malaisian plane shot down over Donetsk region. Girkin (or Strelkov, that's his second last name) has nothing to do with that incident.
It was clear to me as a day that this was a job done by CIA. Most likely the plane was downed by Ukrainian military and then it was declared to the whole world that the crime was done by Russian military.
This was a provocation carried out by CIA. CIA are experts in this kind of thing.

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I have found a very interesting copy of a letter sent to Russia from the Ukrainian side of the front by some of those Ukrainians who are sympathetic to Russia and want this war to stop once and for all. These are the real patriots of Ukraine.

Information taken from here: https://m-kalashnikov.livejournal.com/4558295.html

The streets in Ukraine  are now practically deserted. I don’t see any men over 16-18 years old or under 60-65 on the streets. Everyone lays low. The situation on the public transport is similar: there are no men on the trams passing by.

We are already mentally prepared for the Russians to come to Slavyansk. Few of them plan to leave the city. They did not directly state this (the consequences of this are known), but the hints are quite transparent.

The Armed Forces of Ukraine have recruited personnel with pre-war training and highly motivated ones. It is also significant that in a number of places the defense is “collapsing” - which means that there are no longer barrage detachments (anti retreat detachments) there.

There is information circulating that military authorities wanted to attract foreign fighters to the barrage detachments, but they quickly exposed this plan and refused to participate.

The decline in the morale of the Armed Forces of Ukraine was strongly influenced by the fact that more and more people caught by force on the streets are being thrown to the front, and by the fact that the soldiers are actually denied demobilization and rotation, not to mention the amount of “combat” payments. Perhaps a further worsening of the gap between the army and the authorities in Kyiv will result in the surrender of positions, the flight of units of the Armed Forces of Ukraine from occupied defense areas, and massive surrenders to the Russian army..."

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“Along with ordinary draft dodgers (hiding at home), we see the new phenomenon such as soldiers leaving the location of a military unit without authorization.

There are currently between 100 and 120 thousands of this type of  episodes. It is also known that a number of programs for training Ukrainian personnel for the Armed Forces of Ukraine abroad are now being phased out, and their training is now being planned to take place directly on the ground in Ukraine. The reason for this is that personnel sent for training abroad leave location of the training centers abroad, cut off all communications, and thus they try to escape to other countries. This happens often..."

So much for a desire of Ukrainian soldiers to fight and die for NATO.

“...Against the backdrop of increasing doubts about the legitimacy of the overdue term of President Zelinsky and the emerging delinquency of the Supreme Council, there are deep doubts that the end of spring, summer and the first half of autumn of this year would not bring about major upheavals in the country. And in this case, it would be extremely logical on the part of the Russian Federation, after president Zelensky powers come to an end, to organize an emigrant government of Ukraine, with a purpose to conclude a number of agreements with it on the future fate of the country (including territorial reorganization), up to occupation of, say, Sumy or Chernigov regions with taking them under  control by this government.

With creation of detachments of Ukrainian soldiers who voluntarily came over to our side under Russian leadership (like Polish Army did during the WW2), etc. Not to mention intensification of a work to paralyze and disintegrate the enemy’s rear through a deep combined air and ground offensive operation, and propaganda campaigns to undermine the rear and front line...

But really smart Russians who have the will, intelligence, and are able to act decisively, without regard to “dear Western partners,” are capable of this. If they took advantage of this now, by mid-late summer the war could finally end...”
So as you can see more and more Ukrainian soldiers do not want to fight and die in this war on the side of NATO because they know that US neocons with Biden at the top are their mortal enemy who want to lead this war up to the last Ukrainian or Russian soldier.


The US and NATO will not prevail in this conflict, you will lose badly and this is inevitable. You should remember your history. Any invasions of Russia were not successful in the past. Napoleon was defeated, Hitler was defeated and NATO will be defeated this time as well.

[Argoo]

The chronological order that you refer to does not matter. Why are you talking about it?
Besides I can add that Maidan took place in the end of 2013. As soon as Maidan took place it was clear as a day that this was a coup carried out by CIA. That's why 2 breakaway provinces decided to break away from Ukraine and that's why Crimea was annexed by Russia.
Maidan in Ukraine was a crime commited by the US. Therefore it must be brought to justice and annexation of Crimea was a sort of justice served.
 

The chronological order of events is of paramount importance because it clearly indicates what happened in Ukraine and who attacked whom and who is defending himself. As soon as Putin and Yanukovych did not succeed in refusing European integration, which the Ukrainian people insisted on, Putin immediately sent troops into the Ukrainian peninsula of Crimea, and then into the Donetsk and Lugansk regions. Ukraine has the right to defend itself against a military attack by another state. And if the Russians began to fire at Ukraine from the territory of the Donetsk and Lugansk regions, then the response would come to where they were shooting from. This is ordinary arithmetic and the logic of war.

During the Second World War, no one accused the USSR of firing into Nazi-occupied territory, which inevitably killed the civilian population. Only Russian propagandists are now focusing on this and deliberately increasing the deaths of the civilian population of Donbass by hundreds and thousands of times in order to justify their aggression and the illegal conquest of the territory of a neighboring state. I would also like to draw your attention to the fact that, according to international law, the aggressor is responsible for the safety of the civilian population of the occupied territories. There were no deaths at all until the boot of a Russian soldier set foot on the territory of Ukraine. It is Russian troops who are bringing to Ukraine the almost complete destruction of cities and villages in Ukraine and the mass death of the civilian population.

Actually, you yourself confirm the fact of a military attack on Ukraine by Russia, talking about some kind of punishment of Ukrainians by Putin and Russia by military means. And it’s generally stupid to refute this, since military operations by the Russians are still ongoing on the territory of Ukraine.

[gloffs]

The chronological order of events is of paramount importance because it clearly indicates what happened in Ukraine and who attacked whom and who is defending himself. As soon as Putin and Yanukovych did not succeed in refusing European integration, which the Ukrainian people insisted on, Putin immediately sent troops into the Ukrainian peninsula of Crimea, and then into the Donetsk and Lugansk regions.


Stop, stop, stop. Not so fast.
Yanukovich was a duly and legally elected president of Ukraine. He had to to flee from Ukraine because of Maidan that was arranged by CIA. Why don't you acknowledge this?

 
Ukraine has the right to defend itself against a military attack by another state. And if the Russians began to fire at Ukraine from the territory of the Donetsk and Lugansk regions, then the response would come to where they were shooting from. This is ordinary arithmetic and the logic of war.


No,no, no. This is a lie. It is the Ukrainian military that started firing upon the territories of 2 breakaway provinces.
Why don't you acknowledge this as well?

During the Second World War, no one accused the USSR of firing into Nazi-occupied territory, which inevitably killed the civilian population. Only Russian propagandists are now focusing on this and deliberately increasing the deaths of the civilian population of Donbass by hundreds and thousands of times in order to justify their aggression and the illegal conquest of the territory of a neighboring state. I would also like to draw your attention to the fact that, according to international law, the aggressor is responsible for the safety of the civilian population of the occupied territories. There were no deaths at all until the boot of a Russian soldier set foot on the territory of Ukraine. It is Russian troops who are bringing to Ukraine the almost complete destruction of cities and villages in Ukraine and the mass death of the civilian population.


What about the intention of the Biden administration to install military bases in Ukraine with missiles pointed in the direction of Russia?
The US gave a promise to Gorbachov in 1990 that NATO would not move to the east any single inch.
This promise was broken by them. What about that? Doesn't this justify the special military operation of Russia on the territory of UKraine?

Actually, you yourself confirm the fact of a military attack on Ukraine by Russia, talking about some kind of punishment of Ukrainians by Putin and Russia by military means. And it’s generally stupid to refute this, since military operations by the Russians are still ongoing on the territory of Ukraine.


Yes that's correct but please note that the ordinary people living in Ukraine are not the targets in this military attack. The target of a military attack is the army of Ukraine and military installations and infrastructure only.
Still government  builidings in Kiyev are not being fired upon.
If Putin were Hitler then the Russian army would murder civilian population in large quantities but this does not take place. Why is that so?
 

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There is one more thing that I would like to touch upon.
I have just read that in reply to Washington confiscating the assets of Russian Federation in the amount of about $5 billion Moscow retaliated by seizing the assets of JP Morgan bank in Russia in approximately the same amount.
i have the following suggestion that I want to get across to you and may be you would forward my suggestion on to the Biden administration.
Why wouldn't the US government allocate the Russian assets that have been confiscated to JP Morgan?
Thus all parties would be happy about such an amicable solution to the problem.   

[Argoo]

The chronological order of events is of paramount importance because it clearly indicates what happened in Ukraine and who attacked whom and who is defending himself. As soon as Putin and Yanukovych did not succeed in refusing European integration, which the Ukrainian people insisted on, Putin immediately sent troops into the Ukrainian peninsula of Crimea, and then into the Donetsk and Lugansk regions.


Stop, stop, stop. Not so fast.
Yanukovich was a duly and legally elected president of Ukraine. He had to to flee from Ukraine because of Maidan that was arranged by CIA. Why don't you acknowledge this?

Yanukovych actually fled Ukraine because of the events that took place on Independence Square in the center of Kyiv. I fully admit this. He thought it would be like in Russia. Indicatively, he will kill a couple of hundred dissatisfied people and the rest will run away in fear. But Ukrainians are not Russians. Ukraine has always had the spirit of freedom, the Cossacks and the Zaporozhye Sich. Instead, one of the Maidan centurions on the square openly declared that at ten in the morning the next day, his hundred would storm the presidential administration building. And the murderer Yanukovych was afraid of popular anger. That same evening, he loaded the most valuable of the loot onto three helicopters and fled to Russia.
Let me remind you that according to the Constitution of Ukraine, power in the country belongs to the people. The people elect the president and have the right to oust him. After Yanukovych fled, free elections took place and the people elected another president.

If you have facts that the people on Maidan were controlled by the CIA, share such facts with us. It would be very interesting. Instead, constantly write here only political slogans, blaming the USA for everything.

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If you have facts that the people on Maidan were controlled by the CIA, share such facts with us. It would be very interesting. Instead, constantly write here only political slogans, blaming the USA for everything.


How could I do it? It is impossibe for someone living in another country.
Besides that both of us know that CIA are masters of disguise and political manipulation.  
I just know that the US was behind Maidan because this is very typical of the US.
Victoria Nuland was in Kiev at the time of Maidan. It was orchestrated by her. Everybody knows that.

Your discussions about the spirit of freedom or democracy only make me laugh.
You say that I am blaming the US for any troubles in Ukraine but tell me, my friend, who bought large masses of land in Ukraine? Haven't they been bought off by the US greedy corporations?
What country are Ukrainians fighting for? Do they know that huge masses of land in Ukraine have already been bought by the US? This is not their country anymore. What freedom are you talking about? Freedom to do what? Freedom to live off which land?

Didn't Blacrock buy a lot of land mass in Ukraine? How could they do it without Zelensky? I am sure that Zelensky knows about it and the Ukrainian land was sold to Blackrock not without Zelensky assistance in this matter, he knows about it and profits massively from it.
Therefore he is traitor of Ukrainian people.
At least Putin does not sell the land of Russia to foreign corporations. And if that's the case then Zelensky is many times more a traitor of the country that he rules rather than Putin. Do you understand my logic?  

[Argoo]

If you have facts that the people on Maidan were controlled by the CIA, share such facts with us. It would be very interesting. Instead, constantly write here only political slogans, blaming the USA for everything.


How could I do it? It is impossibe for someone living in another country.
Besides that both of us know that CIA are masters of disguise and political manipulation.  
I just know that the US was behind Maidan because this is very typical of the US.
Victoria Nuland was in Kiev at the time of Maidan. It was orchestrated by her. Everybody knows that.

Your discussions about the spirit of freedom or democracy only make me laugh.
You say that I am blaming the US for any troubles in Ukraine but tell me, my friend, who bought large masses of land in Ukraine? Haven't they been bought off by the US greedy corporations?
What country are Ukrainians fighting for? Do they know that huge masses of land in Ukraine have already been bought by the US? This is not their country anymore. What freedom are you talking about? Freedom to do what? Freedom to live off which land?

Didn't Blacrock buy a lot of land mass in Ukraine? How could they do it without Zelensky? I am sure that Zelensky knows about it and the Ukrainian land was sold to Blackrock not without Zelensky assistance in this matter, he knows about it and profits massively from it.
Therefore he is traitor of Ukrainian people.
At least Putin does not sell the land of Russia to foreign corporations. And if that's the case then Zelensky is many times more a traitor of the country that he rules rather than Putin. Do you understand my logic?  

You see, you do not have any factual evidence that during the events that took place on Independence Square in Kyiv at the end of 2013, the actions of Ukrainians were controlled by the American CIA. This is what Russian propagandists simply want to see in order to at least somehow explain the reasons for the subsequent military invasion of Ukraine.

As for the sale of Ukrainian land and the role of the American company BlackRock in this, I can also disappoint you. Yes, Ukraine is famous for its black soil. The country owns a third of the world's reserves of black soil, which is considered the standard of fertile soil. According to various estimates, there are from 27 to 32 million hectares of black soil in Ukraine.

Since 2001, there has been a moratorium on the sale of agricultural land in Ukraine. In 2020, the moratorium on the sale of land in Ukraine was lifted. Until 2024, only Ukrainian individuals could buy agricultural land, but not more than 100 hectares per person. Starting this year, Ukrainian legal entities can buy land, and the threshold has increased to 10 thousand hectares. Foreigners are still not allowed to buy it. But given that legal entities can be affiliated, this can be considered a form of permission for foreigners.

In Russian and other media, the investment company BlackRock, which manages $8 trillion in assets around the world, is called the main contender for Ukrainian agricultural land, but this is not true.
Over the past two years, the head of this campaign, Larry Fink, has actually spoken with Ukrainian President Zelensky several times. In September 2022, they agreed that BlackRock Financial Markets Advisory could provide free advice to the Ukrainian government on the creation of a reconstruction fund. “The goal of the fund will be to create an opportunity for both public and private investors to participate in the reconstruction and rejuvenation of the market economy in Ukraine by providing fair returns to investors,” Zelensky’s official website reported at the time. In November, BlackRock FMA announced that it had signed a memorandum on this with the Ministry of Economy of Ukraine. In December 2022, Zelensky spoke with Fink again. It was reported that the BlackRock team had been preparing for months to advise the Ukrainian government on the country's recovery funds and that some BlackRock leaders were planning to visit Ukraine in 2023. However, the topic of land was not mentioned.

According to the Californian Oakland Institute, in 2022, of the 4.3 million hectares of land leased by large owners, 3 million hectares were actually leased by a dozen multinational companies. These are, in particular, Monsanto, Dupont and Cargill. Another largest investor is the US pension fund NCH - it leases 450 thousand hectares of Ukrainian land.
In addition, according to Oakland, after the IPO, the largest agricultural holdings in Ukraine are controlled by global investment funds - the American Vanguard Group, the Kopernik Global Investors fund, the NN Investment Partners Holdings group, part of Goldman Sachs, and Norges Bank Investment Management, which manages Norway's sovereign wealth fund.
The second largest landowner in Ukraine is the American private investment company NCH Capital (it has 430 thousand hectares), which operates through a local legal entity, the Agroprosreris company. The third player in the land market, the MHP holding (370 thousand hectares), and the fifth, the Astarta company (250 thousand hectares), are co-owned by the American Kopernik Global Investors LLC.

However, not only Western investors are active in this field. Saudi Agricultural and Livestock Investment Company (SALIC) owns the Mriya agricultural holding with 300 thousand hectares in Ternopil, Khmelnitsky, Ivano-Frankivsk, Chernivtsi and Lviv regions. The Saudi royal conglomerate Continental Farmers Group (also controlled by the Saudi SALIC) leases 195 thousand hectares of black soil. The French agricultural holding AgroGénération has 120 thousand hectares of land.
Source:
https://ko.ru/articles/rokovoy-blackrock-kto-uzhe-seychas-skupaet-ukrainu/

But this is all about renting land in Ukraine. If you know anything about the sale of land in Ukraine to foreign companies in circumvention of Ukrainian legislation, write to us and we’ll discuss it.

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OK. The black soil land has not been bought out but leased to foreign corporations.
At what price was it leased? I believe at much below market price.
As regards the lease of Ukrainian land by France and Norway these countries are US vassal countries and these countries are actively supplying weapons to Ukraine.
So it means that the Western countries have leased Ukrainian land at very low prices and now they are supplying armament to Ukraine by using the profits obtained through leasing of land at artificially low prices.
So as you can see the people of Ukraine are impoverished by Ukrainian elite and foreign corporations that are ripping off the people of Ukraine by leasing land at artificially low prices. .
Ukrainian people don't want to fight and die in the front but they are forced to be used as cannon fodder by the Ukrainian elite. Is this the democacy that you are talking about?
Did the Ukrainian people take part in Maidan in 2013 so that now in 2024 they could be forcibly sent to the front and murdered by Bandera regime? 
The West is attempting to destroy Russia at its expence and at expence of Ukraine.

[Argoo]

OK. The black soil land has not been bought out but leased to foreign corporations.
At what price was it leased? I believe at much below market price.
As regards the lease of Ukrainian land by France and Norway these countries are US vassal countries and these countries are actively supplying weapons to Ukraine.
So it means that the Western countries have leased Ukrainian land at very low prices and now they are supplying armament to Ukraine by using the profits obtained through leasing of land at artificially low prices.
So as you can see the people of Ukraine are impoverished by Ukrainian elite and foreign corporations that are ripping off the people of Ukraine by leasing land at artificially low prices. .
Ukrainian people don't want to fight and die in the front but they are forced to be used as cannon fodder by the Ukrainian elite. Is this the democacy that you are talking about?
Did the Ukrainian people take part in Maidan in 2013 so that now in 2024 they could be forcibly sent to the front and murdered by Bandera regime? 
The West is attempting to destroy Russia at its expence and at expence of Ukraine.

The fact that foreign corporations pay rent in Ukraine much lower than the market price is all just your assumptions, which are not based on anything. You just want everything to be bad in Ukraine. But the standard of living of Ukrainians is much higher than in Russia, where people live well mainly in Moscow, St. Petersburg and several other large cities. Having the largest reserves of natural gas, only 71-73 percent of its territory is gasified in Russia.

Ukrainians, of course, do not want to fight with the Russians, as well as with other nations of the world. But in this case, the Russians are attacking and trying to seize as much of Ukraine as possible. Therefore, the right and duty of every Ukrainian to defend their territory and their state from an attack by an aggressor. Moreover, such an obligation exists in every democratic state, and not just in Ukraine. To save Ukrainians from having to fight and die at the front against the Russians, Russia only needs to withdraw its occupation forces from the territory of Ukraine. Then the war will stop and no one will die.

[gloffs]

The fact that foreign corporations pay rent in Ukraine much lower than the market price is all just your assumptions, which are not based on anything.


This is the truth and this is not my assumption. It's as clear as a day to me. Please give me proof that the Ukrainian land is leased at a market price. It would be impossible to prove it to me. No way.

You just want everything to be bad in Ukraine. But the standard of living of Ukrainians is much higher than in Russia, where people live well mainly in Moscow, St. Petersburg and several other large cities. Having the largest reserves of natural gas, only 71-73 percent of its territory is gasified in Russia.


No I don't want everything to be bad in Ukraine. Why would I want that when my father was a Ukrainian?
The standards of living in Ukraine have nothing to do with the matter of our argument here.

Ukrainians, of course, do not want to fight with the Russians, as well as with other nations of the world. But in this case, the Russians are attacking and trying to seize as much of Ukraine as possible. Therefore, the right and duty of every Ukrainian to defend their territory and their state from an attack by an aggressor. Moreover, such an obligation exists in every democratic state, and not just in Ukraine. To save Ukrainians from having to fight and die at the front against the Russians, Russia only needs to withdraw its occupation forces from the territory of Ukraine. Then the war will stop and no one will die.


No no no! You are terribly mistaken! Russia is not an enemy but a liberator of Ukraine because Russians and Ukrainians have been peacefully living side by side for centuries. We are one and the same people. It's just that millions of young Ukrainians have been duped by Nazi propaganda during the last 30 years.
It is CIA and US neocons who want to divide Russia and Ukraine and start a war between one and the same people.

[Argoo]

No no no! You are terribly mistaken! Russia is not an enemy but a liberator of Ukraine because Russians and Ukrainians have been peacefully living side by side for centuries. We are one and the same people. It's just that millions of young Ukrainians have been duped by Nazi propaganda during the last 30 years.
It is CIA and US neocons who want to divide Russia and Ukraine and start a war between one and the same people.

The Nazis brought war and destruction to Ukraine, trying to free Ukrainians from the communists, now the Putinists are destroying Ukraine, allegedly trying to free Ukraine from the mythical Banderaites. Why are you all going into Ukraine with weapons in your hands and trying to establish your own rules here by force? And did you forget to ask the Ukrainians whether they need to be “liberated”, and at the cost of massacres and the almost complete destruction of their housing and the infrastructure they use?

If earlier it was possible to say that there is a lot in common between Ukrainians and Russians, now forget about it. After killing hundreds of thousands of Ukrainians over the past two years, the Russians are now the worst enemies of the Ukrainians for at least several generations. Any relations between Ukraine and Russia will now be reduced to a minimum. Therefore, live there in your swamps and forget about Ukraine. Pay reparations to the Ukrainians for what you did in Ukraine, only then will it be possible to talk to you about something.

[gloffs]

The Nazis brought war and destruction to Ukraine, trying to free Ukrainians from the communists, now the Putinists are destroying Ukraine, allegedly trying to free Ukraine from the mythical Banderaites. Why are you all going into Ukraine with weapons in your hands and trying to establish your own rules here by force? And did you forget to ask the Ukrainians whether they need to be “liberated”, and at the cost of massacres and the almost complete destruction of their housing and the infrastructure they use?


The Putinists, as you call them, are not killing Ukrainians. The are making sure that the territory of Ukraine is not used to install US military bases there. Unfortunately the people of Ukraine did not understand the danger of maidan and what nasties it was going to bring them.Now their eyes are being opened by the war.

By the way I copied the word "liberator" and "liberation" from CIA operatives. It was them that wanted to bring so called "democracy" to many other countries of thw world and wanted to "liberate" such countries as Vietnam, Afganistan, etc.

So in this case Putinists are copying CIA words and expressions. The US all the time has been using the word "liberation" and it occured to me that I could use this word as well.

By the way did not CIA forget to ask all those countries whether or not they wanted to be liberated? Well, I am awaiting your reply.

If earlier it was possible to say that there is a lot in common between Ukrainians and Russians, now forget about it. After killing hundreds of thousands of Ukrainians over the past two years, the Russians are now the worst enemies of the Ukrainians for at least several generations. Any relations between Ukraine and Russia will now be reduced to a minimum. Therefore, live there in your swamps and forget about Ukraine. Pay reparations to the Ukrainians for what you did in Ukraine, only then will it be possible to talk to you about something.


You are wrong here again. There are lots and lots of Ukrainians who are waiting for Russian forces to bring order to their country and help them to get rid of fascist Bandera nationalists. Unfortunately now it can be made only by force.

[Argoo]

The US and NATO will not prevail in this conflict, you will lose badly and this is inevitable. You should remember your history. Any invasions of Russia were not successful in the past. Napoleon was defeated, Hitler was defeated and NATO will be defeated this time as well.

You have not yet taken into account two essential points in this war.

Firstly, the United States and NATO are not yet directly at war with Russia with their soldiers and their military power. While the onslaught of the “second army of the world” has been held back for three years by the Ukrainians, the Russian occupiers have managed to occupy only 20 percent of the territory of Ukraine over this long period of time. If NATO troops had entered the war, Russia would have lost it long ago. The war back in 2022 could have ended in Russia’s defeat if NATO had provided the Ukrainian Armed Forces with more military assistance. But in the West they fear the collapse of the Russian Federation due to the unpredictability of further events, including the fate of the Russian nuclear arsenal.

Secondly, in the wars against Napoleon and Hitler, the Ukrainians were always the first to bear the brunt. Now, as you understand, the situation is a little different. It was in vain that Russia attacked Ukraine. The myth of Russia's invincibility, which has been created for a very long time. finally defeated by the Ukrainians. Therefore, France, Great Britain and some other countries are already declaring that they are ready to fight with Russia if the situation at the front for Ukraine worsens.

[gloffs]

You have not yet taken into account two essential points in this war.


Indeed I have not taken it into account yet.


Firstly, the United States and NATO are not yet directly at war with Russia with their soldiers and their military power. While the onslaught of the “second army of the world” has been held back for three years by the Ukrainians, the Russian occupiers have managed to occupy only 20 percent of the territory of Ukraine over this long period of time. If NATO troops had entered the war, Russia would have lost it long ago. The war back in 2022 could have ended in Russia’s defeat if NATO had provided the Ukrainian Armed Forces with more military assistance. But in the West they fear the collapse of the Russian Federation due to the unpredictability of further events, including the fate of the Russian nuclear arsenal.


The thing is that Russia is doing it very slowly on puspose because Putin understands that as soon as the situation changes dramatically then NATO countries might behave differently and he does not want that to happen.

On the other hand the US also has a hidden motive which you have partially explained. The US does not want either Russia or Ukraine to win in this war. The US would rather like this to be a protracted conflict that would bleed and weaken Russia during a long period of time.  


Secondly, in the wars against Napoleon and Hitler, the Ukrainians were always the first to bear the brunt. Now, as you understand, the situation is a little different. It was in vain that Russia attacked Ukraine. The myth of Russia's invincibility, which has been created for a very long time. finally defeated by the Ukrainians. Therefore, France, Great Britain and some other countries are already declaring that they are ready to fight with Russia if the situation at the front for Ukraine worsens.


Indeed in the wars against Napoleon and Hitler, the Ukrainians were always the first to bear the brunt but you overlook the fact that this is basically one people but not two different people.
Russia attacked because Russia could not stand the threat of installation of NATO military bases on the territory of Ukraine.
As regards your statement about France, Great Britain and some other countries already declaring that they are ready to fight with Russia if the situation at the front for Ukraine worsens as far as I know these countries have a problem with finding military man power in sufficient quantities. Ordinary people living in Europe and UK do not want to fight and die in this pointless war. More and more people there are coming to realization that the US wants to convert them into cannon fodder.

One more thing: Biden wanted Russia to attack. Biden provoked the Russian attack.

[Argoo]

Firstly, the United States and NATO are not yet directly at war with Russia with their soldiers and their military power. While the onslaught of the “second army of the world” has been held back for three years by the Ukrainians, the Russian occupiers have managed to occupy only 20 percent of the territory of Ukraine over this long period of time. If NATO troops had entered the war, Russia would have lost it long ago. The war back in 2022 could have ended in Russia’s defeat if NATO had provided the Ukrainian Armed Forces with more military assistance. But in the West they fear the collapse of the Russian Federation due to the unpredictability of further events, including the fate of the Russian nuclear arsenal.


The thing is that Russia is doing it very slowly on puspose because Putin understands that as soon as the situation changes dramatically then NATO countries might behave differently and he does not want that to happen.

It turns out that Putin wanted to conquer Ukraine especially slowly at the initial stage of the invasion, when the Russian invasion group on February 22, 2022 was tasked with reaching the outskirts of Kyiv by nine o’clock in the morning. That is, in four hours Putin wanted to take Kyiv. No, the calculation was precisely for the lightning speed of the strike, the isolation and partial destruction of the political leadership of Ukraine, so that the puppet regime then appointed by the Russians would convince the West that everything is normal in Ukraine. Europe would hardly have had time to react to the military takeover of Ukraine, and it’s unlikely that they would have adopted it much, given the passivity of the reaction to the takeover of the Ukrainian Crimean peninsula, as well as parts of the Donetsk and Lugansk regions in 2014. Only the decisive resistance of the Ukrainian Armed Forces and the Ukrainian people ruined Putin’s plans for this next blitzkrieg.

And even now it is impossible to say that the Russian invaders are in no hurry, almost constantly attacking Ukraine along the entire front line since October last year. On the contrary, Putin always set specific tasks to seize the entire territory of the Donetsk and Lugansk regions by certain dates, and the Armed Forces of Ukraine always thwarted Putin’s plans. He wanted especially big victories at the front for his New Year’s address to the Russians, and then for his inauguration and the day of victory over fascism. Therefore, you are disingenuous once again.

[gloffs]

It turns out that Putin wanted to conquer Ukraine especially slowly at the initial stage of the invasion, when the Russian invasion group on February 22, 2022 was tasked with reaching the outskirts of Kyiv by nine o’clock in the morning. That is, in four hours Putin wanted to take Kyiv. No, the calculation was precisely for the lightning speed of the strike, the isolation and partial destruction of the political leadership of Ukraine, so that the puppet regime then appointed by the Russians would convince the West that everything is normal in Ukraine. Europe would hardly have had time to react to the military takeover of Ukraine, and it’s unlikely that they would have adopted it much, given the passivity of the reaction to the takeover of the Ukrainian Crimean peninsula, as well as parts of the Donetsk and Lugansk regions in 2014. Only the decisive resistance of the Ukrainian Armed Forces and the Ukrainian people ruined Putin’s plans for this next blitzkrieg.


Listen. I do not work at the army headquarters. So I am not an expert in this but I think that Putin thought that it would a walk in the park. He did not anticipate that kind of resistance from the army of Ukaine.

And even now it is impossible to say that the Russian invaders are in no hurry, almost constantly attacking Ukraine along the entire front line since October last year. On the contrary, Putin always set specific tasks to seize the entire territory of the Donetsk and Lugansk regions by certain dates, and the Armed Forces of Ukraine always thwarted Putin’s plans. He wanted especially big victories at the front for his New Year’s address to the Russians, and then for his inauguration and the day of victory over fascism. Therefore, you are disingenuous once again.


You know Russian propaganda tells us that the Russian army is doing it slowly on purpose but I wouldn't argue with you over this matter because I am not a military expert.

[gloffs]

You know recently I watched a video about the visit of Putin to China.

And I must say that it made me laugh.

The thing is that comrade Xi demands very large discounts on gas and demands that the Russian Federation build the Power of Siberia pipeline at its own expense. And China also does not want the gas pipeline to pass through the territory of Mongolia, since it turns out that Mongolia for China is like Chechnya for Russia. That is, China wants the gas pipeline not to go through Mongolia, and this is again at the expense of Russia.

It is just amazing.

Finally, these liberal bastards in the Russian Federation will have to answer for all that collapse of industry and education that their policies in Russia led to. Let them then begin to industrialize the Russian Federation. But they don’t want to carry it out because they understand that the current elite would lose power in the process of industrialization. It’s just great that China is twisting Putin’s arms like this. Then all the gas in Siberia would remain in Siberia and it would remain there for subsequent generations of Russians, when power in Russia changes and this power rules in favor of common  people, not harming common people, as it is now.

So it turns out from this that the people of Russia must be thankful to the Biden administration for all those and Russian sanctions.

[Argoo]

Finally, these liberal bastards in the Russian Federation will have to answer for all that collapse of industry and education that their policies in Russia led to. Let them then begin to industrialize the Russian Federation. But they don’t want to carry it out because they understand that the current elite would lose power in the process of industrialization. It’s just great that China is twisting Putin’s arms like this. Then all the gas in Siberia would remain in Siberia and it would remain there for subsequent generations of Russians, when power in Russia changes and this power rules in favor of common  people, not harming common people, as it is now.

So it turns out from this that the people of Russia must be thankful to the Biden administration for all those and Russian sanctions.

I have already said that a Russian attack on Ukraine will have fatal consequences for it. After this war, or even in its final stage, it is most likely that Russia will fall apart into independent republics. Many nations and nationalities of the former USSR, which are now part of Russia, will see the weakness of the central government after this war and will want to secede from Russia. After all, they were kept within Russia mainly by fear and repression. Yes, oil and gas will remain in Siberia, but it will not belong to Russia. This is one of the facets of the price of Russia's attack on Ukraine.