Is Michael Saylor a modern apostle like Peter and Paul?

[dimonstration]

Without his self interest due to his eheavy bags of investment, I think Saylor can be categorized as Apostle since he is clewrly advocating the use of Bitcoin on his social media with lots of follower. But we knew that this kind of act has an expiration once he already sold his bags.

A temporary apostle like Judas can be the best description for him. Don't get carried away on his sweet words because he is a businessman and not a philanthropist that will donate his company money on Bitcoin liquidity forever.

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[KalOlak]

Without his self interest due to his eheavy bags of investment, I think Saylor can be categorized as Apostle since he is clewrly advocating the use of Bitcoin on his social media with lots of follower. But we knew that this kind of act has an expiration once he already sold his bags.

A temporary apostle like Judas can be the best description for him. Don't get carried away on his sweet words because he is a businessman and not a philanthropist that will donate his company money on Bitcoin liquidity forever.

In the Gospels, there are a few instances where Jesus' teachings or actions appeared to depart from traditional Jewish laws or commandments. Here are a couple of examples:
Healing on the Sabbath: In Mark 3:1-6, Jesus encounters a man with a withered hand on the Sabbath day. The Pharisees watched Him closely to see if He would heal the man, so they could accuse Him of breaking the Sabbath laws. Despite the prohibition on work on the Sabbath, Jesus goes ahead and heals the man, emphasizing that doing good and showing compassion are more important than rigidly following the letter of the law. Eating with sinners and tax collectors: The Gospels mention several occasions where Jesus dined with tax collectors, considered sinners and outcasts by the religious establishment. One example is found in Mark 2:15-17, where Jesus is criticized for eating with tax collectors and sinners. In response, Jesus states that He came not for the righteous but for sinners, indicating His willingness to associate with those who were traditionally seen as morally impure or unclean.

Why do you think that selling Bitcoin (to get money to buy more Bitcoin at a lower price) or using Bitcoin as collateral for borrowing money with leverage to buy more Bitcoin is a "Judas sin"?

[Faisal2202]

Sure, Sayor has skin in the game. Essentially, he created a quasi-ETF on Bitcoin, which allows him to earn fee on the spread and a interest fee from lending out Microstrategy shares to short sellers. You're saying he can sell Bitcoin? Yes, that's possible. But who would kill the goose (sell Bitcoin) that lays golden eggs? You want sell 21,000,000 Bitcoin  (for example)? Well, welcome to lose all at $0.01 for $210,000 and then +$infinity on the next trade. I call that strategy.

But what is your strategy?

I am not saying he is going to sell all of his BTC which indirectly means he will sell his company (Micro Strategy) but i am saying what if he started to sell. Then the , metaphor you have used fits here perfectly (Goose that lays golden eggs). I completely i agree he got no reason to sell all of his BTC. But what if in parallel Universe (hah just kidding) he forced to make such decisions then.

But still, he will live longer (means his company). He didn't own the 21,000,000 BTC and the price is not 0.01$ if you are taking these numbers as metaphors than its another matter. Because i already mentioned how many BTC he had. My strategy will be if i am in his place to keep eating all the eggs instead of killing the goose.

[Lucius]

[quote author=Lucius
Interesting point of view. So, are you saying that you have a Ph.D. in Mathematics and fully understand the elliptic cryptography (ECDSA), which serves as the mathematical basis for Bitcoin? Additionally, you have a Ph.D. in Computer Science and can review the Bitcoin source code. Or did you just finish elementary school and simply believe that everything I mentioned just works? So, what is your opinion on Bitcoin based on, knowledge or faith?

I honestly don't care about your fantasies and some made-up cults and 2.65 Order that you mention from the moment you registered on the forum, because it's just a bunch of nonsense that would have been better if it never appeared on the English part of the forum. Also, my education is none of your business, but you remind me of a couple of fanatics who spread the same theories years ago, and I wouldn't be surprised if you were someone's alt account.

You can continue your discussions with the member @Ucy who is known for his crazy ideas, and considering that he supposedly talks to God every day, he might be able to convert you to not being an atheist anymore

[20kevin20]

It feels so dumb when someone starts bringing a cult-like behavior to Bitcoin lol, BTC isn’t Jesus, nor is Satoshi, Saylor or anyone else. Keeping these things separated is much healthier for your brain.

Michael Saylor is just a dude who wants to make money. He chose the perfect time to invest in BTC before but not all the time. In fact, wasn’t he one of those who used to not believe in BTC? He isn’t a saint or apostle man, lol, this is so silly!

[stompix]

Personally, I am an atheist.

Then why the hell do you bring up religion every time in the discussions, not just here but in your other topic as well, just stop with this, everyone is getting tied to religious beliefs getting mixed in everything and just stirring the pot like this won't get you anywhere, as we all know what's the target is here.
Want a piece of advice? Stop trying so hard!

Roger Ver used to be called Bitcoin Jesus, and we all know how it all ended.

That's the first thing I thought about when I saw the title, and based on life experience in 2-3 years we're going to call Saylor Judas!
And btw, even Satoshi shouldn't be named Jesus, he's the creator so more like god, but the whole thing is just stupid, Bitcoin can't work without internet so how would you call Tim Berners in this situation?

I have not heard about Michael J. Saylor preaching the gospel of bitcoin like Peter and Paul but I have only heard about his good deeds to humanity from his investment company.

Good deeds to humanity? You must be joking!

[Agbe]

Good deeds to humanity? You must be joking!

Yes, I am not from where he comes from but I have made some research on him and from what I saw he has helped people in different way. I will want you to read more of him from here as well. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_J._Saylor. I don't know him in person, I have not even seen him in face to face but I have seen in Instagram where in most times he talks about bitcoin. And from the search I made I also found out he has helped students through his academy.

[stompix]

Good deeds to humanity? You must be joking!

Yes, I am not from where he comes from but I have made some research on him and from what I saw he has helped people in different way. I will want you to read more of him from here as well. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_J._Saylor.

Yeah, I've read!
I didn't find any trace of "good deeds" but found a District of Columbia tax fraud lawsuit, SEC investigation and settlement, and so on!

Can you again point to the good deeds he did for humanity?
Because if you say investing in Bitcoin other people's money you borrowed is a good deed then why is it not investing in Walmart shares also a good deed?

[Aanuoluwatofunmi]

If Bitcoin were to replace the current global financial system and achieve widespread adoption as a decentralized and reliable store of value, some enthusiasts might see Michael Saylor as a visionary or a pivotal figure.

Maybe those that doesn't know him or get experienced on this kind of play with give more attention to someone like Michael Saylor, most of the the talks he made were to captivate the attention of the media to himself, he's not the first person to be prophesying good things about bitcoin, but i think he only uses his portfolio being a CEO of microstrategy to get media attention indirectly promoting himself and the business he does through the social using bitcoin as a subject of constant discussion to the public, if we are talking about those that are really important and concerned about bitcoin to where it is today, we have to recognize the impact of those that have contributed in working along with Satoshi towards the success of bitcoin and where it is today and not those that are always after seeking the media attention for their recognition.

[KalOlak]

[quote author=Lucius
Interesting point of view. So, are you saying that you have a Ph.D. in Mathematics and fully understand the elliptic cryptography (ECDSA), which serves as the mathematical basis for Bitcoin? Additionally, you have a Ph.D. in Computer Science and can review the Bitcoin source code. Or did you just finish elementary school and simply believe that everything I mentioned just works? So, what is your opinion on Bitcoin based on, knowledge or faith?

I honestly don't care about your fantasies and some made-up cults and 2.65 Order that you mention from the moment you registered on the forum, because it's just a bunch of nonsense that would have been better if it never appeared on the English part of the forum. Also, my education is none of your business, but you remind me of a couple of fanatics who spread the same theories years ago, and I wouldn't be surprised if you were someone's alt account.

You can continue your discussions with the member @Ucy who is known for his crazy ideas, and considering that he supposedly talks to God every day, he might be able to convert you to not being an atheist anymore

I simply asked if you have enough qualifications and level of education for your statements about Bitcoin to be based on knowledge rather than belief grounded in forum messages or other pseudo-scientific readings.

[Dr.Bitcoin_Strange]

OP, although Bitcoin will continue to gain a wide spread as time goes on, but I have doubts that the government will just wake up any day and allow Bitcoin to become generally accepted as legal tender. Some countries will not legalise Bitcoin, and one reason is because they can't fully regulate it or make it centralized. That's why they (the government) will not want Bitcoin to replace the global financial system.

Also, Michael Sylor is not the only investor with a huge amount invested in Bitcoin; I hope you know that Micro Strategy is just a company and there are other investors in the company, so all the Bitcoin they hold is not just for Sylor. There are also other whales out there.

[KalOlak]

OP, although Bitcoin will continue to gain a wide spread as time goes on, but I have doubts that the government will just wake up any day and allow Bitcoin to become generally accepted as legal tender. Some countries will not legalise Bitcoin, and one reason is because they can't fully regulate it or make it centralized. That's why they (the government) will not want Bitcoin to replace the global financial system.

Also, Michael Sylor is not the only investor with a huge amount invested in Bitcoin; I hope you know that Micro Strategy is just a company and there are other investors in the company, so all the Bitcoin they hold is not just for Sylor. There are also other whales out there.

Good point. But never say never.

You know, for example, the U.S. Congress is not very friendly towards Bitcoin. But let's consider the First Amendment: "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

Well, it's all because the legal firms that cryptocurrency projects and exchanges in the U.S. approach are just regular scammers collecting hundreds of millions of dollars from these ignorant idiots without providing any concrete solution to legalize Bitcoin and establish rules for this market for U.S. citizens. Well, the lawyers of Order 2.625 (whom many of you may laugh at or not take seriously enough) have proposed a practical solution for legalizing Bitcoin in the U.S., citing the First Amendment to the U.S. Constitution. After all, Order 2.625, as the Decentralized Religious Organization Order 2.625 (DROO 2.625) represented by the North American Diocese (Eparchy) and the plebeians of the order, is nothing but a religious movement. Therefore, according to the Constitution, the U.S. Congress has no right to prohibit the plebeians of the Order from using Bitcoin, as Bitcoin is the ceremonial currency unit of the Order and serves as our religious symbol (similar to the kirpan of the Sikhs)

In this sense, Order 2.625 is grateful to all the previous religious movements in the U.S. (especially Protestants and Catholics) for creating this convenient loophole in the fundamental law of the state.

Do you still consider creating a religion an irrational strategy?

[tread93]

If Bitcoin were to replace the current global financial system and achieve widespread adoption as a decentralized and reliable store of value, some enthusiasts might see Michael Saylor as a visionary or a pivotal figure. Similar to how Peter and Paul played crucial roles in spreading the teachings of Christianity, Saylor's active promotion and strategic investment in Bitcoin could be viewed as instrumental in driving its adoption.

The analogy suggests that just as the apostles were significant in the establishment and spread of Christianity, Saylor's dedication to advocating for Bitcoin and integrating it into his business strategies could be perceived as foundational for a potential future financial paradigm.

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Comparing the work of Peter and Paul who went about spreading the good news of Christianity to that of what Michael Saylor is currently doing right now of his spread over the adoption of Bitcoin is kind of preposterous, because both are totally two different concepts, of which just as Peter and Paul offered a selfless service for the promotion of the kingdom of God, Michael Saylor is currently offering a service of which he stands to make huge profit if Bitcoin happens to skyrocket very high with mass adoption. Because I'm made to understand that Michael owns over 12,333 Bitcoin, worth over $369million with a current of approximately $30k per Bitcoin. So imagine how much profit he stands to gain if Bitcoin hit $100k, that is almost a billion dollars.

That is quite a bit of coin right there if it did go to 100k but strangely I feel like that can't be all Saylor and MS would stand to gain, I feel like it would have to be way more than that and it will be because they buy BTC like it's their job lol. On the note about comparing Saylor to the disciples is a heck of a stretch lol not even close m8 (OP) but good try....

[Davidvictorson]

If Bitcoin were to replace the current global financial system and achieve widespread adoption as a decentralized and reliable store of value, some enthusiasts might see Michael Saylor as a visionary or a pivotal figure. Similar to how Peter and Paul played crucial roles in spreading the teachings of Christianity, Saylor's active promotion and strategic investment in Bitcoin could be viewed as instrumental in driving its adoption.

The analogy suggests that just as the apostles were significant in the establishment and spread of Christianity, Saylor's dedication to advocating for Bitcoin and integrating it into his business strategies could be perceived as foundational for a potential future financial paradigm.

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There is no comparison between the two of them.
We acknowledge Micheal Saylor being out there but he is not the only person. This goes to show that you still need to do your home work on bitcoin proponents. There are thousands of them out there...Michael Saylor may just be the one you watch the most... you know the internet thing where if you watch the video of someone so much the internet algorithm starts to show you more of that person? I think that may be what is happening in the OP's case.

Saylor is no where close

[franky1]

firstly. MS doesnt always "buy low" he just buys when his business is flush with cash but doesnt want to claim it as taxable profits. thus nothing special

secondly he is not the largest investment.

thirdly his investments are corporate not personal

fourthly his promotions are not really about the bitcoin network but a different network claiming to be bitcoin, but is instead a subnetwork bridge playing with a different unit of measure and payments between users feel nothing like a bitcoin transaction confirmation method nor does this network he promotes even have a blockchain. thus his adverts are a system which doesnt teach people much about how bitcoin actually works or secures itself. its just a sub par(with flaws) network that pegs other unit to bitcoin in a credit swap of vaulted up(locked) reserves of middlemen (aka LN)

over all bitcoin is not suppose to replace global finance, its suppose to hedge against idea's of one world currency" things like the dollars domination, and no MS is not a messiah, prophet, apostle,  or any other religious messenger

[Ale88]

If Bitcoin were to replace the current global financial system and achieve widespread adoption as a decentralized and reliable store of value, some enthusiasts might see Michael Saylor as a visionary or a pivotal figure. Similar to how Peter and Paul played crucial roles in spreading the teachings of Christianity, Saylor's active promotion and strategic investment in Bitcoin could be viewed as instrumental in driving its adoption.

The analogy suggests that just as the apostles were significant in the establishment and spread of Christianity, Saylor's dedication to advocating for Bitcoin and integrating it into his business strategies could be perceived as foundational for a potential future financial paradigm.

discuss

Are we really trying to mix religion and bitcoin over here?  Saylor is buying a ton of bitcoin because besides actually believing in them, he also wants to make a big profit. As someone else pointed out eventually just some of the very first adopters can be seen somehow as people who really believed in bitcoin because back then everything could have failed at any moment; Saylor stepped in when everybody already knew what bitcoin was, he just bought a lot, that's it, he didn't revolutionize anything.

[Blitzboy]

If Bitcoin were to replace the current global financial system and achieve widespread adoption as a decentralized and reliable store of value, some enthusiasts might see Michael Saylor as a visionary or a pivotal figure. Similar to how Peter and Paul played crucial roles in spreading the teachings of Christianity, Saylor's active promotion and strategic investment in Bitcoin could be viewed as instrumental in driving its adoption.

The analogy suggests that just as the apostles were significant in the establishment and spread of Christianity, Saylor's dedication to advocating for Bitcoin and integrating it into his business strategies could be perceived as foundational for a potential future financial paradigm.

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It's important to remember that Bitcoin, while innovative, is simply one piece of global finance. Bitcoin has several appealing benefits, like as decentralization and a capped supply, but changing the financial system is difficult. Regulatory, scalability, and energy consumption difficulties hinder it.

Staking other cryptos allows you to earn interest on your assets and profit from the crypto industry. These gains, albeit tempting, can be significantly diminished by rapid market falls. Thus, market trend monitoring and diversification are essential

[wiss19]

Aren't they already? So there is no need for Bitcoin to have a status like that ( the one you're saying ) but if that happens then many Bitcoin users are going to be happy about that. Bitcoin's adoption is already wide but it's still possible for it to become even wider. What is only unlikely is if it will replace the current global financial system. So many banks and financial institutions are against it, so they won't let that happen.

Maybe Peter and Paul played a big role in spreading Christianity but before it, I think we have Moses. I like Moses better to be the equivalent of Michael Saylor because like Moses who help the slaves, Saylor also help the people against the modern-day slavery through Bitcoin.

[KalOlak]

Aren't they already? So there is no need for Bitcoin to have a status like that ( the one you're saying ) but if that happens then many Bitcoin users are going to be happy about that. Bitcoin's adoption is already wide but it's still possible for it to become even wider. What is only unlikely is if it will replace the current global financial system. So many banks and financial institutions are against it, so they won't let that happen.

Maybe Peter and Paul played a big role in spreading Christianity but before it, I think we have Moses. I like Moses better to be the equivalent of Michael Saylor because like Moses who help the slaves, Saylor also help the people against the modern-day slavery through Bitcoin.

If Michael Saylor invited me today for a 40-year-long walk through the Sinai Desert, I would agree to it, even though I am no longer young. Only 2% of people older than 26.25 years are capable of changing their worldview. The remaining 98% of individuals, raised on Marvel, DC, and parental guidance to keep the American dollar in banks or under the mattress, belong to the Liquidated Generation. Hence, in order for the last slave of the fiat system and the American dollar to die, Bitcoin plebs simply need such a 40-year-long journey. And are you ready to sustain yourself solely on heavenly manna for 40 years for the future of finance?

[panganib999]

Gotta love these kinds of posts every now and again that paints bitcoin as the Jesus of the internet and its promoters the ever-faithful apostles of its doctrine. Fucking funny if you'll ask me. The fact that people go so far as to think that bitcoin is the end-all-be-all solution to every problem that this world has astounds me for the wrong reasons cause what in the hell are you guys thinking that bitcoin will solve all your problems? It can't even solve its own issues for crying out loud.

But yeah going back to your question, Put down the thinking cap and the tinfoil hat cause no, Michael Saylor isn't the apostle or whatnot and bitcoin is not the Jesus of the internet. Move on and use bitcoin in its full capacity but don't go thinking that it's the second coming of Christ cause you'll look stupid in your friend group.