Gambling Abuse ...

[Fivestar4everMVP]

Hi guys..
I had this argument with a friend of mine yesterday while we were discussing over a bottle of beer each  .

Is It Possible To Abuse gambling?
Answer is Yes ..

What is Gambling Abuse?
Gambling abuse is simply defined as gambling with a motive that is different from the real purpose why gambling is in existence.

Lets Consider This Example
Tramadol is a  drug used to relieve patients from extreme pain, or what would have caused extreme pain, for example, when a patient is to undergo a CS, Tramadol is one of the drugs that is administered to such patient to help numb their nervous system from feeling the pain of the cut, this drugs also give the patient energy, at the same time intoxicates, this helps the patient to have energy, as well sleep so that the operation can be comfortably carried out on them.

Today, many of our men and youths now take this drug, not for the purpose it was made, but for the fact that it gives energy and intoxicates at the same time, giving a feel-good kind of feeling, and lets also note that this drug is highly addictive, tramadol today is banned in a country like Nigeria due to the level of abuse on it, that is people taking the drug not for what it was created for, but for their own personal pleasure, police now arrest and prosecute owners of medicine shops who are caught selling tramadol to unauthorized patients.

How Does This Abuse Relate to Gambling?
We all know that gambling is originally meant to act as a means of entertainment, that is, its one of the ways people entertain themselves and in so doing, they stand a chance at winning money..
Today, because of the possibility to win money through gambling, Many gamblers no longer gamble as way of being entertained, but have turned gambling into  their major source of income, this is abuse because gambling was never meant to be a source of income or livelihood to anyone, but rather, another way for players to entertain themselves.

Today, we have many players going the extreme just for a win, and most times if they fail, many resort to committing suicide as a way to lift of burden of debt they brought upon themselves due to irresponsible gambling which i can now also refer to as Gambling abuse .

what do you think about this?
Do you agree that gambling outside what gambling is meant for is abuse on gambling?
If you agree, what do you think should be done to gambling abusers if there was a way to catch them?
Should they be arrested and prosecuted same way drug abusers are arrested and prosecuted if caught?

Lets have a discussion.

Disclaimer: I am not a doctor or pharmacist, I know nothing about drugs, all I said concerning Tramadol is solely based on my personal use and experience with the drug, in medical terms, I could be wrong with the description of the drug.

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[macson]

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what do you think about this?
Do you agree that gambling outside what gambling is meant for is abuse on gambling?
If you agree, what do you think should be done to gambling abusers if there was a way to catch them?
Should they be arrested and prosecuted same way drug abusers are arrested and prosecuted if caught?

Lets have a discussion.

Disclaimer: I am not a doctor or pharmacist, I know nothing about drugs, all I said concerning Tramadol is solely based on my personal use and experience with the drug, in medical terms, I could be wrong with the description of the drug.

there is a misunderstanding that some people have about gambling, people gamble for various reasons, i don't think that those who gamble for money are a mistake ^{(gambling abuse)}, that is their reason for gambling because without a monetary prize, they will not be interested in gambling, from several discussions, the reasons people do gamble are 3; it is for money, for entertainment and to make friends cmiiw then it is important for you to find your reasons for gambling and also be a responsible gambler so you don't turn into someone who is addicted to gambling because of the 3 reasons above.

[swogerino]

I don't agree much with that statement.That is because we are in different times nowadays then the early days that date 4000 years before Christ where we know that gambling approximately started.Maybe at that time not much else was for entertaining purposes but right now there are a lot of alternatives to entertainment rather to gamble to entertain ourselves.This brings us to the next point which is all the gamblers nowadays gamble with the hope to win some money because they know it is possible but this is not considered gambling abuse,just normal gamblers behavior.

[Oshosondy]

what do you think about this?
Do you agree that gambling outside what gambling is meant for is abuse on gambling?
If you agree, what do you think should be done to gambling abusers if there was a way to catch them?
Should they be arrested and prosecuted same way drug abusers are arrested and prosecuted if caught?

Gambling abuse is not a crime, so nothing like prosecution.

If alcohol is allowed in your country, if you abuse it, nothing like prosecution unless that make you do something wrong like you rape someone, you drive and you are caught to be drunk. If you drink in your home and intoxicate yourself and do nothing wrong, you are abusing alcohol if you do it often but no prosecution.

Some drugs are illegal, like cocaine. Even if someone do not abuse it and he was caught, he will be jailed.

Abuse and addiction are just the same. I only know that people should not be addicted to gambling, they should gamble responsibly and they should only use small amount of money which they can afford to lose to gamble.

If they got addicted and because of that, they steal or become something else, the punishment of what they become can lead them to be jailed.

I am gambling responsibly. Do not be addicted.

[alastantiger]

what do you think about this?

I think that no matter how hard we try, the ads against gambling addiction, the research on the dangers of gambling addictions, the jingles and warning about gambling addiction, the numbers of those abusing gambling and getting addicted will not decrease. What we need is to now create more resources, institutions and train lay personnel to effectively handle the rising cases of gambling addiction.

Do you agree that gambling outside what gambling is meant for is abuse on gambling?

Yes, I do.

If you agree, what do you think should be done to gambling abusers if there was a way to catch them?

Only casinos can catch them and give them temp ban. If they notice that when they return the gambling addiction has not reduced then they give them life ban.

Should they be arrested and prosecuted same way drug abusers are arrested and prosecuted if caught?

This is a punitive action rather than a reformative action. It will be counter productive. These people need to be helped not punished.

[danherbias07]

Yes, in my own opinion.

Gamble abuse leads to stress then what's next to it is worst.
I don't know how other gamblers are making gambling as their source of income. I have tried so many times to try and defeat the house but there's literally no window to win even if you do it for long. Yes, I did see some winners but it doesn't last long. After that, they will gamble the money they won and the house will take it back, without a little shed of doubt.
So, it's better to just leave gambling for entertainment purposes only. That way it won't lead to scenarios that are not easy to return from.

[Wiwo]

Well said friend,  you nailed it on the abuse of tramadol but note that there is no big difference between tramadol, and beer that you were on while having this discussion with your friend and the only difference is the fact that beer is seen as legal in some part of Nigeria but also illegal in other parts of the country where the Sharia law is in force just like in the northern part of the country Nigeria,  and tramadol is not banned as you put out but have been restricted to be sold only on doctor's prescriptions, and the government also put in measures that make the price of the drug to be so expensive to the extent that those addicted to it can afford it any longer unlike what it was in the past when the price of the drug was so low that it nearly destroyed the life of the youths were many were engaged on the unauthorized excessive intakes of the drug.

Now back to gambling abuse,  I think instead us concentrating on the excessive gambling that leads the gambler into addiction,  let us also consider other facts that have also made up the bigger part of gambling abuse which is the real abuse on gambling systems e.g abuse on bonuses system and how some players manipulate the outcome of the game in some cases,  I know this is rear cases that are not often discussed here,  but then also I believe that it is worthy to note them too,  since the impact on some casino has lead to closer of such casinos example is what happened to Betlucy some time ago where there welcome bonus systems were abused at lunch where there did a no wagering welcome bonus but that the end players abused the system by creating multiple accounts just to cashout the bonuses.

So I think this is the real bigger abuse?

But then also when you talk about gamblers that take gambling as a source of income,  leading them to gamble excessively that means that there already abusing the essence of gambling which is gambling for entertainment,  but then also we must also take note of the fact that gambling winning can really be enticing most especially when you win constantly for some time which also is almost impossible sometimes but then also possibility os there that a gambler can win a big amount on a bet which also can help sort out financial needs but not to be taken as a source of income.

[Kemarit]

I do agree that perhaps for others it's pure entertainment, specially if the they can afford the money that they will lose in the game. However, gambling itself is already bad in the beginning, as you can go and become an addict.

And admit it or not, some gamblers, really wanted to win big and that's why they are willing to take that risk when the money in their hand. Specially those who are really in need of money, most of them are going to casino to hit that one big jackpot that will chance their lives.

[Cantsay]

what do you think about this?

Do you agree that gambling outside what gambling is meant for is abuse on gambling?

Yes, one could agree that gambling outside what's it's meant to be for is an abuse.

But we should also be open to the idea that some create innovations today were as a result of people using things the way they were not meant to be used. But since using gambling wrongly could pose a great danger to man's health then I'll rest my case, if it was something that do result in productive outcome then I'd have argued more but for now I'm going to let you have it.

If you agree, what do you think should be done to gambling abusers if there was a way to catch them?
Should they be arrested and prosecuted same way drug abusers are arrested and prosecuted if caught?

The reason why most drug abusers are being persecuted is because there are laws that prohibit such actions but for gambling there are no law enforced on it.

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what do you think about this?
Do you agree that gambling outside what gambling is meant for is abuse on gambling?
If you agree, what do you think should be done to gambling abusers if there was a way to catch them?
Should they be arrested and prosecuted same way drug abusers are arrested and prosecuted if caught?

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Actually, if you quote from Britannica, initially gambling was created for divination, where someone used this activity to be able to find out the knowledge of the future and the intentions of the gods. But in modern times, gambling is rarely used for that, some people use it to make money, entertainment and socializing. Is it wrong if gambling is abused like that? there's nothing wrong with that, because everyone has their own purpose for gambling, some use it for predictions, making money, entertainment, etc., what distinguishes it is only for its purpose.

[Pandu Geddon]

Should they be arrested and prosecuted same way drug abusers are arrested and prosecuted if caught?

as long as the abuser of gambling in this case is an addicted gambler, not harming others. I don't think criminal action can be done. even if it caused him to hurt himself. unless it relates to other acts such as robbery or theft. of course, this can be criminalized.

there will be many possible cases that can be linked to gambling addiction. addiction cannot be punished, but criminal acts committed by addicts can be punished. Drug abuse cases can be rehabilitated. but gambling abuse I'm not sure it can.

[Nheer]

What is Gambling Abuse?
Gambling abuse is simply defined as gambling with a motive that is different from the real purpose why gambling is in existence.

I'm sorry, but what drives people to gamble?
Could you please explain the major reason why gambling exists?

I'm curious because I never thought there was a true reason for it to exist. I used to assume it was primarily for entertainment and a way for people to make money because I think 90% of people gamble to make money.

We all know that gambling is originally meant to act as a means of entertainment, that is, its one of the ways people entertain themselves and in so doing, they stand a chance at winning money..
Today, because of the possibility to win money through gambling, Many gamblers no longer gamble as way of being entertained, but have turned gambling into  their major source of income, this is abuse because gambling was never meant to be a source of income or livelihood to anyone, but rather, another way for players to entertain themselves.

Today, we have many players going the extreme just for a win, and most times if they fail, many resort to committing suicide as a way to lift of burden of debt they brought upon themselves due to irresponsible gambling which i can now also refer to as Gambling abuse .

I now understand your view on the purpose of gambling after reading your post. Gambling was created as a form of entertainment so that people may enjoy themselves and either win or lose money while betting on their favourite games. Why would someone borrow money to bet, and why would anyone be so reliant on something with a 50/50 chance of success, when gambling is intended to be fun? It's their problem, they should be left alone to find a way to get out of any trouble they find themselves in.

what do you think about this?
Do you agree that gambling outside what gambling is meant for is abuse on gambling?
If you agree, what do you think should be done to gambling abusers if there was a way to catch them?
Should they be arrested and prosecuted same way drug abusers are arrested and prosecuted if caught?

I agree, but I don't believe that much can be done to stop those who engage in gambling abuse because it's hard to tell who does and because they are already in so much trouble, I believe they should be let to suffer the consequences.

[cryptomaniac_xxx]

Hi guys..

How Does This Abuse Relate to Gambling?
We all know that gambling is originally meant to act as a means of entertainment, that is, its one of the ways people entertain themselves and in so doing, they stand a chance at winning money..
Today, because of the possibility to win money through gambling, Many gamblers no longer gamble as way of being entertained, but have turned gambling into  their major source of income, this is abuse because gambling was never meant to be a source of income or livelihood to anyone, but rather, another way for players to entertain themselves.

I think there are gamblers who really look for gambling to make money or as a income generated, to bring food in the table. But we all know that it's not going to work in the long run. Sure there are days that you will be lucky and win, but what if you losses in the next couple of days?

Today, we have many players going the extreme just for a win, and most times if they fail, many resort to committing suicide as a way to lift of burden of debt they brought upon themselves due to irresponsible gambling which i can now also refer to as Gambling abuse .

It's just really hard to think that someone will commit suicide or take their lives because they lost in gambling.

what do you think about this?
Do you agree that gambling outside what gambling is meant for is abuse on gambling?
If you agree, what do you think should be done to gambling abusers if there was a way to catch them?
Should they be arrested and prosecuted same way drug abusers are arrested and prosecuted if caught?

I guess it's a individual thing. We don't know what is the mindset of a certain person when he gambles. Maybe he want's to be entertain or to earn money. So I disagree about them being arrested and prosecuted like a criminals. Government should step up, and they want to stop gambling totally. But the problem is that government rely on the money being generated by casinos.

[Strongkored]

It will always be a debate, that there are those who think gambling is just for fun but there are also those who think of gambling as a way to earn income.
Actually the most important thing is how we fund these activities, if you want to get pleasure or earn income you should keep a limited budget, because there are other things that must also be fulfilled and are more important.
If someone gambles not because he wants to get pleasure but because he wants to get income or something other than pleasure I don't think of it as abuse, because the player is using his own money and if he uses the money he borrows it is still his responsibility, if he fails to pay then the penalty is not about gambling but debts or debts, or the punishment he will receive when gambling and causing commotion or committing a crime such as stealing is not because of his gambling.

[aioc]

what do you think about this?
Do you agree that gambling outside what gambling is meant for is abuse on gambling?
If you agree, what do you think should be done to gambling abusers if there was a way to catch them?
Should they be arrested and prosecuted same way drug abusers are arrested and prosecuted if caught?

Lets have a discussion.

Gambling is entertainment that's the way to look at gambling platforms if you see gambling platforms as a way to make money then its abuse, you will deposit more than you can, extend your playing time and even if you are not in a gambling platform all you're thinking is how to beat the house.
Responsible gaming is when you log off everything about gambling should be forgotten, but if you let it hang on then gambling is taking over your mind and your action so it becomes abuse, when you are past your limitation that's where abuse starts.

[Wexnident]

I wouldn't really call it an abuse of gambling. They just use it as an excuse (even if they don't see it as such), so that they can escape most of their problems (or solve them if they're really lucky). It can technically be called abuse, but a lot of things can be used all the same really.

what do you think about this?
Do you agree that gambling outside what gambling is meant for is abuse on gambling?
If you agree, what do you think should be done to gambling abusers if there was a way to catch them?
Should they be arrested and prosecuted same way drug abusers are arrested and prosecuted if caught?

I mean, they're dead, I don't think there's much we can do about it. And even if we do try to preempt by taking action, everything is only based on "assumptions". And technically the police force or casino staff can't make a move based on such a thing. It's basically the same thing with drug abusers, in most cases, their states are already far too in before people can even notice and stop it.

The key idea to do here is to prevent said situation from happening in the first place, and it doesn't stem from gambling, no. It usually stems from the influences in the environment, from your parents, friends, advertisements, the internet, etc., and that would be a too big of a thing to influence, so most people really just ignore it, not that they don't care though, they can't just do anything with a single persons influence.

[Fivestar4everMVP]

It will always be a debate, that there are those who think gambling is just for fun but there are also those who think of gambling as a way to earn income.
Actually the most important thing is how we fund these activities, if you want to get pleasure or earn income you should keep a limited budget, because there are other things that must also be fulfilled and are more important.
If someone gambles not because he wants to get pleasure but because he wants to get income or something other than pleasure I don't think of it as abuse, because the player is using his own money and if he uses the money he borrows it is still his responsibility, if he fails to pay then the penalty is not about gambling but debts or debts, or the punishment he will receive when gambling and causing commotion or committing a crime such as stealing is not because of his gambling.

If we go by your analogy, i could liken your statement to someone who planted a tree, and at some point, that tree becomes a problem to him and the society, and the society was supposed to put that tree to death so it doesn't cause problems for them anymore, and the society do instead is to cut of the branches of that tree, and assume it will die that way, and after some months, they discover the problem is still there, then check the tree and discovered that the tree is not dead, but rather have grown new branches, then instead of uprooting the tree from its root to put a permanent stop to the problem, they still went on to cut the branches again instead.

To put an end to problems, we tackle them from their root cause, when someone gambles until he or she turns into a criminal, while sending that person to jail, teach the ones that are onlooking how to gamble responsibly, else, in a few years, you will have to send many young lads to jail believing they just have a habit stealing, meanwhile the root cause of their stealing is due to gambling abuse, irresponsible gambling, due to lack of gambling education.

[yazher]

I don't agree much with that statement.That is because we are in different times nowadays then the early days that date 4000 years before Christ where we know that gambling approximately started.Maybe at that time not much else was for entertaining purposes but right now there are a lot of alternatives to entertainment rather to gamble to entertain ourselves.This brings us to the next point which is all the gamblers nowadays gamble with the hope to win some money because they know it is possible but this is not considered gambling abuse,just normal gamblers behavior.

Gamblers are most likely entertained when they are winning their bet rather than playing the game itself and also there are some gamblers there that see their winning and will gonna give them some boost to show off. This will also trigger some excitement which will make them go every night or every time they got money to play the games. Most of the people who became addicted thought it was just for mere entertainment and they know to themselves they were playing with the only money they have and when they woke up from reality, it was all over they lose everything they have.

[Gozie51]

Do you agree that gambling outside what gambling is meant for is abuse on gambling?

I don't know how someone can gamble outside the act of gambling or what gambling is not meant for. If you bet your money or have staked it in gambling then you are gambling. Unlike the tramadol scenario you made which is quite understable. However, but if patients were to be relieved by tramadol on their pain and some people are also using it as hard drugs to get intoxicated, it means the drug has more than one purpose unlike gambling whose purpose could be more than one, entertainment and profit.

If you agree, what do you think should be done to gambling abusers if there was a way to catch them?
Should they be arrested and prosecuted same way drug abusers are arrested and prosecuted if caught?

If you gamble in a country where gambling is illegal then you have committed a crime and could be arrested likewise drugs, otherwise no arrest will be made.

all I said concerning Tramadol is solely based on my personal use and experience with the drug, in medical terms, I could be wrong with the description of the drug.[/i]

Tramadol I think have different effect on different people. It could be intoxicating some people and giving them energy but for others it could bring them down, weak and make them have lesser strength.

[Wiwo]

It will always be a debate, that there are those who think gambling is just for fun but there are also those who think of gambling as a way to earn income.
Actually the most important thing is how we fund these activities, if you want to get pleasure or earn income you should keep a limited budget, because there are other things that must also be fulfilled and are more important.
If someone gambles not because he wants to get pleasure but because he wants to get income or something other than pleasure I don't think of it as abuse, because the player is using his own money and if he uses the money he borrows it is still his responsibility, if he fails to pay then the penalty is not about gambling but debts or debts, or the punishment he will receive when gambling and causing commotion or committing a crime such as stealing is not because of his gambling.

If we go by your analogy, i could liken your statement to someone who planted a tree, and at some point, that tree becomes a problem to him and the society, and the society was supposed to put that tree to death so it doesn't cause problems for them anymore, and the society do instead is to cut of the branches of that tree, and assume it will die that way, and after some months, they discover the problem is still there, then check the tree and discovered that the tree is not dead, but rather have grown new branches, then instead of uprooting the tree from its root to put a permanent stop to the problem, they still went on to cut the branches again instead.

To put an end to problems, we tackle them from their root cause, when someone gambles until he or she turns into a criminal, while sending that person to jail, teach the ones that are onlooking how to gamble responsibly, else, in a few years, you will have to send many young lads to jail believing they just have a habit stealing, meanwhile the root cause of their stealing is due to gambling abuse, irresponsible gambling, due to lack of gambling education.

Fivestar4everMVP well the tree is not the responsibility of the community to cut it off since it hacks become  a bigger problem for the society, because the tree was not a community tree but planted by an individual in the community, and since this individual have failed to trime the tree to the extent of it becoming a problem to the society he has to face some charges, but if you are in a society where laws are ineffective, you have to beer with such problems for some time.

But on the other end where you'rementioned how to tackle problems I 100% agree with you that taking care of a problem is like ending the menace the tree was causing since the tree has become a public problem it was supposed to be caught by the root since caught off some branches is like paving the way for the tree to spread wider it branches and also making it to become a bigger problem.

So also we can relate this to gambling abuse which is the main discussion,  since gambling exhibited higher risk in everything, one needs to put a lot of things in check, so as not to become overly carried away to the point that you either abuse the casinos or yourself by getting addicted or lose a lot of money.