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July 28, 2023, 03:39:20 PM
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For my fellow math nerds,

I have found a very useful video which explains the mathematics and probabilities behind the game Crash and why beating the game with a low multiplier strategy in the long term is almost impossible. Anyone who has played on the Roobet Cryptocurrency Casino should know about it since their code is open source, which is available to everyone but you would need to understand the code itself to make any sense of how it works.

However, there is a youtube video which explains it from a simple mathematical standpoint, so even if you do not have the necessary coding knowledge, it is still easy to understand.

Video Link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F1HA7e3acSI

 

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In conclusion the house edge in roobet is between 5% and 6%. Closer 5% if you are targeting low multipliers and closer to 6% if you are targeting high multipliers. It's not clear if this is intentional or an artifact of the bustabit v1 code that was copied to generate the game outcomes. Incidentally bustabit currently offers a flat 1% house edge, making it a strictly more economically better place to gamble. And the new moneypot.com offers crash in a very bustabit v1 style odds, with a house edge starting at only 0.1% (but based on a much more complex formula involving the casinos bankroll).
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July 28, 2023, 06:35:57 PM
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Nice video, @goldkingcoiner. Thank you for sharing.

In conclusion the house edge in roobet is between 5% and 6%. Closer 5% if you are targeting low multipliers and closer to 6% if you are targeting high multipliers.

How did you get the 5% house edge? I think it was mentioned in the video at the beginning that according to the formula it is about 3%, that is, in about 3% of cases there will be an instant crash.

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July 28, 2023, 07:15:48 PM
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For my fellow math nerds,

I have found a very useful video which explains the mathematics and probabilities behind the game Crash and why beating the game with a low multiplier strategy in the long term is almost impossible. Anyone who has played on the Roobet Cryptocurrency Casino should know about it since their code is open source, which is available to everyone but you would need to understand the code itself to make any sense of how it works.

However, there is a youtube video which explains it from a simple mathematical standpoint, so even if you do not have the necessary coding knowledge, it is still easy to understand.

Video Link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F1HA7e3acSI
Thanks. I've always tried to explain to people how you can't beat this with tactics as you should beat math behind it. But i've always encountered people who say that i don't just get their tactic. It has annoyed me because i can't mathematically prove my point as i am not a mathematician. So i've shared wikipedia articles about gambler's fallacies and probability illusions, but they don't have time to check them out.

Now i have a video answer so maybe that fits to their attention span. I just hope that allmost 9 minute video isn't too much.

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July 28, 2023, 07:33:59 PM
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Wow, never saw someone explaining this thing so deeply.
Thanks a lot mate for sharing this with us because this has blown my mind by actually sharing the probabilities of how one can lose more in crash games, the formulae was tough but I managed to understand it and all in all, saw that there are very less chances to go out in profits.

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July 28, 2023, 07:57:52 PM
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For my fellow math nerds,

I have found a very useful video which explains the mathematics and probabilities behind the game Crash and why beating the game with a low multiplier strategy in the long term is almost impossible. Anyone who has played on the Roobet Cryptocurrency Casino should know about it since their code is open source, which is available to everyone but you would need to understand the code itself to make any sense of how it works.

However, there is a youtube video which explains it from a simple mathematical standpoint, so even if you do not have the necessary coding knowledge, it is still easy to understand.

Video Link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F1HA7e3acSI
Thanks. I've always tried to explain to people how you can't beat this with tactics as you should beat math behind it. But i've always encountered people who say that i don't just get their tactic. It has annoyed me because i can't mathematically prove my point as i am not a mathematician. So i've shared wikipedia articles about gambler's fallacies and probability illusions, but they don't have time to check them out.

Now i have a video answer so maybe that fits to their attention span. I just hope that allmost 9 minute video isn't too much.
Best way to explain what you want to say is to actually learn it while saying it. This video is so packed with information about crash and the probabilistic background that powers it that I feel like if I nerd out on my gambling circle and tell them that crash is a game where you can't high roll cause you'll be stacking the odds up against you if you go frugal, explaining it on the fly will be better and I would be able to persuade some of my friends too, maybe even try the thing mid-conversation to prove my point lol.

We used to do this with the monty hall problem, as well as with minesweeper, now with crash which we don't really play that much but is interesting nonetheless we might have a very fruitful discussion.

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July 28, 2023, 09:17:19 PM
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However, there is a youtube video which explains it from a simple mathematical standpoint, so even if you do not have the necessary coding knowledge, it is still easy to understand.

Video Link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F1HA7e3acSI
Will take a look on this video and I think beatting crash is quite difficult but with the right strat and with the help of math I do think that will probably try to beat the game. I've always been a crash fan but never had an explainer video be this good and thanks for sharing it here, it's really worth seeing this video.
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July 28, 2023, 09:24:46 PM
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I’ve messed around with crash a bit. I think as a gambling game it’s pretty great. It gives a head to head feel against other players that is usually missing from those types of games. I would agree that playing it long term with a strategy might not be a winning strategy though. It’s pretty unpredictable. A lot of fun though if that matters at all.

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However, there is a youtube video which explains it from a simple mathematical standpoint, so even if you do not have the necessary coding knowledge, it is still easy to understand.
^Not that easy, but yet it is better than coding.
In the video, it was explained well but I don't know if that will work in a long game.
It seems like it will give me a headache instead of enjoying playing crash games that are supposedly for entrainment purposes only.
Now I am just thinking about the owner of the gambling casinos who has a crash game if they are worried about losing their money because there are a lot of people won this game.
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For my fellow math nerds,

I have found a very useful video which explains the mathematics and probabilities behind the game Crash and why beating the game with a low multiplier strategy in the long term is almost impossible. Anyone who has played on the Roobet Cryptocurrency Casino should know about it since their code is open source, which is available to everyone but you would need to understand the code itself to make any sense of how it works.
I bit like math, but it's hard when I use it for gambling calculations because I always it got the wrong result, unexpected. Opportunity lesson material I learn in high school. The answer sometimes is not correct when we use the exact formula. Because we play random math, which selects the number that appears most frequently. I've tried both (used math and just play), I got the same result. so instead of headache better to just push the spin button than calculate the math.

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The guy says it's his first video, but I doubt it.... it is very well explained and very informative. I hate "Crash" with a passion and I cannot tell you how many times I have thrown a mouse against the wall and broke it into pieces over this game. (Yes... like Syztmz)  Grin

I still say that there are some kind of AI behind this game and it is not just math... (joke) .... You bet say 50 low bets on a high multiplier and it bombs out every time and then you start betting higher amounts, expecting the higher multiplier to kick in ... just to get a losing streak of 100 bets in a row.  Roll Eyes

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This is the casino game that I play most often when I'm waiting for a football match where I bet sports bets, for some reason playing Crash gives me a very interesting experience in my opinion compared to other games like Dice, I don't really like math lessons and this is true very detailed explanation but I don't really understand because I'm too stupid with math lessons.

I always try games and various strategies in this game but never want to get a full win, I enjoy the game until I forget to achieve actual victory, this video seems suitable for those who like formulas and mathematical calculations but not with me, maybe I will happy if I get videos of various strategies for playing Crash.  Grin

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I have found a very useful video which explains the mathematics and probabilities behind the game Crash and why beating the game with a low multiplier strategy in the long term is almost impossible. Anyone who has played on the Roobet Cryptocurrency Casino should know about it since their code is open source, which is available to everyone but you would need to understand the code itself to make any sense of how it works.
People must have a fresh mind and appropriate gambling approach before they start gambling with any sort of games. If they start with a bad approach, want to gamble to get rich and especially to beat casinos, they will pay very high cost.

The point with crash games is gamblers will be more greed when their adrenaline increases more and they will not stop before their spaceships, cars, whatever in the crash game actually crashes and explodes. With crash games, I only play with minimal amount allowed by the casino as I only try my luckiness with small amount and high multiplier. If I fail, I stop and I don't aim at beating the casino because I know it is unrealistic.

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However, there is a youtube video which explains it from a simple mathematical standpoint, so even if you do not have the necessary coding knowledge, it is still easy to understand.

Video Link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F1HA7e3acSI
You shared an informative and insightful video about Crash game and its mechanism. Thank you.
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Higher multiplier strategy is better? You are just sharing us the video, I respect that, but have you try crash game yourself? Why believe in what the video is saying when you haven't give it a try first?

I won't buy that idea of using high multiplier, you will keep losing money still, Crash is fun and engaging but it's very annoying additionally, math? Hmm, I just pity anyone that takes this suggestion exceptionally.

Anyway, you tried, thanks for sharing the video but many are familiar with the game and either a low or high multiplier, they all get burned.

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However, there is a youtube video which explains it from a simple mathematical standpoint, so even if you do not have the necessary coding knowledge, it is still easy to understand.

Video Link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F1HA7e3acSI
Will take a look on this video and I think beatting crash is quite difficult but with the right strat and with the help of math I do think that will probably try to beat the game. I've always been a crash fan but never had an explainer video be this good and thanks for sharing it here, it's really worth seeing this video.

I didn’t watch the video yet but I can still say that crash game or any game in the casino is unbeatable without watching the video. Crash has a house edge because it has an instantant crash which gives an auto lose on all bets no matter how early your cashout setup. This is same with dice losing at 99.99% winning chance rate. Having this kind of loses while betting small amount will put you already on great disadvantage.

Also casino will not make the game open source code if they are not confident that the game is unbeatable. There’s no way someone can compute the crash algorithm and predict the next multiplier because it’s pure random. I assume the video is just a computation on how crash game determines based on the previous games and not using the future games.

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July 29, 2023, 10:27:16 AM
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Higher multiplier strategy is better? You are just sharing us the video, I respect that, but have you try crash game yourself? Why believe in what the video is saying when you haven't give it a try first?

I won't buy that idea of using high multiplier, you will keep losing money still, Crash is fun and engaging but it's very annoying additionally, math? Hmm, I just pity anyone that takes this suggestion exceptionally.

Anyway, you tried, thanks for sharing the video but many are familiar with the game and either a low or high multiplier, they all get burned.

I don't think the OP ever said it was possible to beat the game using a high multiplier. True, he said, "with a low multiplier strategy," and instead, he should have said: "with any multiplier strategy." However, if you watch the video, you will understand that this is not about beating the game but mathematically proving that the game is unbeatable in the long run.


Will take a look on this video and I think beatting crash is quite difficult but with the right strat and with the help of math I do think that will probably try to beat the game. I've always been a crash fan but never had an explainer video be this good and thanks for sharing it here, it's really worth seeing this video.

I don't think you actually watched the video.  Wink

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July 29, 2023, 02:12:32 PM
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I have never seen this on youtube. Most of my views and recommendations are all about gambling; this could be a helpful thing to the players, but not all the players could understand this concept if you have a fundamental analysis of the programming language, primarily related to the web, for example, is the JS or javascript you can understand how does the code works, it's good if someone breaking down how does the code work so people could realize those syntax.

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July 29, 2023, 04:21:00 PM
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I saw the video but I don’t get it? How is it possible that this solution can tell us probability of what is next multiplier? I mean if everyone started using the this strategy then what happens to the house edge and other calculations? Isn’t that is going ti complicate the casino revenu Vs what’s user is earning in the first place. Though I am not maths related person and might be seeing it completely wrong. In the video they also shown that someone used the strategy to earn more than 600k in single crash game. That’s mind wobbling man, how can this be open source and it is still safe?
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July 29, 2023, 04:39:53 PM
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Wow, never saw someone explaining this thing so deeply.
Thanks a lot mate for sharing this with us because this has blown my mind by actually sharing the probabilities of how one can lose more in crash games, the formulae was tough but I managed to understand it and all in all, saw that there are very less chances to go out in profits.

Yeah, I agree that the video explained everything in detail, but I must say that there can be some issues with the video because I have seen many players earning a lot of money by betting on Crash game, and they all had their own strategies. The game can be very useful for the ones who are lucky because they can really beat out the mathematics of the game with their luck.

I have seen players who have made more than $10k per bet, and I was also betting during those sessions when I saw those players. I have even saw some players having multiplier of at least 1000x, and yes the player that got the huge multiplier placed many bets before getting a 1000x win. I remember the bet was $2 dollars and the guy earned more than $2k with that bet.

I have personally been unlucky with that game because most of the times I have lost money instead of gaining anything, but I must say that the game is quite addicting, and the ones with low hands will often tend up losing everything instead of getting anything. The luck factor is part of that game as well, but still the mathematics also makes some sense.

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