Exploring the Math Behind Crash

[goldkingcoiner]

For my fellow math nerds,

I have found a very useful video which explains the mathematics and probabilities behind the game Crash and why beating the game with a low multiplier strategy in the long term is almost impossible. Anyone who has played on the Roobet Cryptocurrency Casino should know about it since their code is open source, which is available to everyone but you would need to understand the code itself to make any sense of how it works.

However, there is a youtube video which explains it from a simple mathematical standpoint, so even if you do not have the necessary coding knowledge, it is still easy to understand.

Video Link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F1HA7e3acSI

 

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[husseinhere]

In conclusion the house edge in roobet is between 5% and 6%. Closer 5% if you are targeting low multipliers and closer to 6% if you are targeting high multipliers. It's not clear if this is intentional or an artifact of the bustabit v1 code that was copied to generate the game outcomes. Incidentally bustabit currently offers a flat 1% house edge, making it a strictly more economically better place to gamble. And the new moneypot.com offers crash in a very bustabit v1 style odds, with a house edge starting at only 0.1% (but based on a much more complex formula involving the casinos bankroll).

[decodx]

Nice video, @goldkingcoiner. Thank you for sharing.

In conclusion the house edge in roobet is between 5% and 6%. Closer 5% if you are targeting low multipliers and closer to 6% if you are targeting high multipliers.

How did you get the 5% house edge? I think it was mentioned in the video at the beginning that according to the formula it is about 3%, that is, in about 3% of cases there will be an instant crash.

[o48o]

For my fellow math nerds,

I have found a very useful video which explains the mathematics and probabilities behind the game Crash and why beating the game with a low multiplier strategy in the long term is almost impossible. Anyone who has played on the Roobet Cryptocurrency Casino should know about it since their code is open source, which is available to everyone but you would need to understand the code itself to make any sense of how it works.

However, there is a youtube video which explains it from a simple mathematical standpoint, so even if you do not have the necessary coding knowledge, it is still easy to understand.

Video Link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F1HA7e3acSI

Thanks. I've always tried to explain to people how you can't beat this with tactics as you should beat math behind it. But i've always encountered people who say that i don't just get their tactic. It has annoyed me because i can't mathematically prove my point as i am not a mathematician. So i've shared wikipedia articles about gambler's fallacies and probability illusions, but they don't have time to check them out.

Now i have a video answer so maybe that fits to their attention span. I just hope that allmost 9 minute video isn't too much.

[Stedsm]

Wow, never saw someone explaining this thing so deeply.
Thanks a lot mate for sharing this with us because this has blown my mind by actually sharing the probabilities of how one can lose more in crash games, the formulae was tough but I managed to understand it and all in all, saw that there are very less chances to go out in profits.

[Casdinyard]

For my fellow math nerds,

I have found a very useful video which explains the mathematics and probabilities behind the game Crash and why beating the game with a low multiplier strategy in the long term is almost impossible. Anyone who has played on the Roobet Cryptocurrency Casino should know about it since their code is open source, which is available to everyone but you would need to understand the code itself to make any sense of how it works.

However, there is a youtube video which explains it from a simple mathematical standpoint, so even if you do not have the necessary coding knowledge, it is still easy to understand.

Video Link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F1HA7e3acSI

Thanks. I've always tried to explain to people how you can't beat this with tactics as you should beat math behind it. But i've always encountered people who say that i don't just get their tactic. It has annoyed me because i can't mathematically prove my point as i am not a mathematician. So i've shared wikipedia articles about gambler's fallacies and probability illusions, but they don't have time to check them out.

Now i have a video answer so maybe that fits to their attention span. I just hope that allmost 9 minute video isn't too much.

Best way to explain what you want to say is to actually learn it while saying it. This video is so packed with information about crash and the probabilistic background that powers it that I feel like if I nerd out on my gambling circle and tell them that crash is a game where you can't high roll cause you'll be stacking the odds up against you if you go frugal, explaining it on the fly will be better and I would be able to persuade some of my friends too, maybe even try the thing mid-conversation to prove my point lol.

We used to do this with the monty hall problem, as well as with minesweeper, now with crash which we don't really play that much but is interesting nonetheless we might have a very fruitful discussion.

[rhomelmabini]

However, there is a youtube video which explains it from a simple mathematical standpoint, so even if you do not have the necessary coding knowledge, it is still easy to understand.

Video Link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F1HA7e3acSI

Will take a look on this video and I think beatting crash is quite difficult but with the right strat and with the help of math I do think that will probably try to beat the game. I've always been a crash fan but never had an explainer video be this good and thanks for sharing it here, it's really worth seeing this video.

[OgNasty]

I’ve messed around with crash a bit. I think as a gambling game it’s pretty great. It gives a head to head feel against other players that is usually missing from those types of games. I would agree that playing it long term with a strategy might not be a winning strategy though. It’s pretty unpredictable. A lot of fun though if that matters at all.

[DoublerHunter]

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However, there is a youtube video which explains it from a simple mathematical standpoint, so even if you do not have the necessary coding knowledge, it is still easy to understand.

^Not that easy, but yet it is better than coding.
In the video, it was explained well but I don't know if that will work in a long game.
It seems like it will give me a headache instead of enjoying playing crash games that are supposedly for entrainment purposes only.
Now I am just thinking about the owner of the gambling casinos who has a crash game if they are worried about losing their money because there are a lot of people won this game.

[Darker45]

It's just amazing how a commonly accepted yet oftentimes forgotten thing is broken down into tiny pieces. Sometimes, we're so enamored or absorbed by certain gambling games that we end up believing we can make money out of them. We forget that gambling games are all designed in favor of the casino. This kind of nerdy video is a slap on our face. It's like somebody is yelling wake up right in front of us.

I can imagine Khaby Lame with his popular gesture showing the codes to everybody who think they can outsmart casinos.

[Chikito]

For my fellow math nerds,

I have found a very useful video which explains the mathematics and probabilities behind the game Crash and why beating the game with a low multiplier strategy in the long term is almost impossible. Anyone who has played on the Roobet Cryptocurrency Casino should know about it since their code is open source, which is available to everyone but you would need to understand the code itself to make any sense of how it works.

I bit like math, but it's hard when I use it for gambling calculations because I always it got the wrong result, unexpected. Opportunity lesson material I learn in high school. The answer sometimes is not correct when we use the exact formula. Because we play random math, which selects the number that appears most frequently. I've tried both (used math and just play), I got the same result. so instead of headache better to just push the spin button than calculate the math.

[Kakmakr]

The guy says it's his first video, but I doubt it.... it is very well explained and very informative. I hate "Crash" with a passion and I cannot tell you how many times I have thrown a mouse against the wall and broke it into pieces over this game. (Yes... like Syztmz) 

I still say that there are some kind of AI behind this game and it is not just math... (joke) .... You bet say 50 low bets on a high multiplier and it bombs out every time and then you start betting higher amounts, expecting the higher multiplier to kick in ... just to get a losing streak of 100 bets in a row. 

[piebeyb]

This is the casino game that I play most often when I'm waiting for a football match where I bet sports bets, for some reason playing Crash gives me a very interesting experience in my opinion compared to other games like Dice, I don't really like math lessons and this is true very detailed explanation but I don't really understand because I'm too stupid with math lessons.

I always try games and various strategies in this game but never want to get a full win, I enjoy the game until I forget to achieve actual victory, this video seems suitable for those who like formulas and mathematical calculations but not with me, maybe I will happy if I get videos of various strategies for playing Crash. 

[tbct_mt2]

I have found a very useful video which explains the mathematics and probabilities behind the game Crash and why beating the game with a low multiplier strategy in the long term is almost impossible. Anyone who has played on the Roobet Cryptocurrency Casino should know about it since their code is open source, which is available to everyone but you would need to understand the code itself to make any sense of how it works.

People must have a fresh mind and appropriate gambling approach before they start gambling with any sort of games. If they start with a bad approach, want to gamble to get rich and especially to beat casinos, they will pay very high cost.

The point with crash games is gamblers will be more greed when their adrenaline increases more and they will not stop before their spaceships, cars, whatever in the crash game actually crashes and explodes. With crash games, I only play with minimal amount allowed by the casino as I only try my luckiness with small amount and high multiplier. If I fail, I stop and I don't aim at beating the casino because I know it is unrealistic.

However, there is a youtube video which explains it from a simple mathematical standpoint, so even if you do not have the necessary coding knowledge, it is still easy to understand.

Video Link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F1HA7e3acSI

You shared an informative and insightful video about Crash game and its mechanism. Thank you.

[Outhue]

Higher multiplier strategy is better? You are just sharing us the video, I respect that, but have you try crash game yourself? Why believe in what the video is saying when you haven't give it a try first?

I won't buy that idea of using high multiplier, you will keep losing money still, Crash is fun and engaging but it's very annoying additionally, math? Hmm, I just pity anyone that takes this suggestion exceptionally.

Anyway, you tried, thanks for sharing the video but many are familiar with the game and either a low or high multiplier, they all get burned.

[Coin_trader]

However, there is a youtube video which explains it from a simple mathematical standpoint, so even if you do not have the necessary coding knowledge, it is still easy to understand.

Video Link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F1HA7e3acSI

Will take a look on this video and I think beatting crash is quite difficult but with the right strat and with the help of math I do think that will probably try to beat the game. I've always been a crash fan but never had an explainer video be this good and thanks for sharing it here, it's really worth seeing this video.

I didn’t watch the video yet but I can still say that crash game or any game in the casino is unbeatable without watching the video. Crash has a house edge because it has an instantant crash which gives an auto lose on all bets no matter how early your cashout setup. This is same with dice losing at 99.99% winning chance rate. Having this kind of loses while betting small amount will put you already on great disadvantage.

Also casino will not make the game open source code if they are not confident that the game is unbeatable. There’s no way someone can compute the crash algorithm and predict the next multiplier because it’s pure random. I assume the video is just a computation on how crash game determines based on the previous games and not using the future games.

[decodx]

Higher multiplier strategy is better? You are just sharing us the video, I respect that, but have you try crash game yourself? Why believe in what the video is saying when you haven't give it a try first?

I won't buy that idea of using high multiplier, you will keep losing money still, Crash is fun and engaging but it's very annoying additionally, math? Hmm, I just pity anyone that takes this suggestion exceptionally.

Anyway, you tried, thanks for sharing the video but many are familiar with the game and either a low or high multiplier, they all get burned.

I don't think the OP ever said it was possible to beat the game using a high multiplier. True, he said, "with a low multiplier strategy," and instead, he should have said: "with any multiplier strategy." However, if you watch the video, you will understand that this is not about beating the game but mathematically proving that the game is unbeatable in the long run.

Will take a look on this video and I think beatting crash is quite difficult but with the right strat and with the help of math I do think that will probably try to beat the game. I've always been a crash fan but never had an explainer video be this good and thanks for sharing it here, it's really worth seeing this video.

I don't think you actually watched the video. 

[Peanutswar]

I have never seen this on youtube. Most of my views and recommendations are all about gambling; this could be a helpful thing to the players, but not all the players could understand this concept if you have a fundamental analysis of the programming language, primarily related to the web, for example, is the JS or javascript you can understand how does the code works, it's good if someone breaking down how does the code work so people could realize those syntax.

[so98nn]

I saw the video but I don’t get it? How is it possible that this solution can tell us probability of what is next multiplier? I mean if everyone started using the this strategy then what happens to the house edge and other calculations? Isn’t that is going ti complicate the casino revenu Vs what’s user is earning in the first place. Though I am not maths related person and might be seeing it completely wrong. In the video they also shown that someone used the strategy to earn more than 600k in single crash game. That’s mind wobbling man, how can this be open source and it is still safe?

[SamReomo]

Wow, never saw someone explaining this thing so deeply.
Thanks a lot mate for sharing this with us because this has blown my mind by actually sharing the probabilities of how one can lose more in crash games, the formulae was tough but I managed to understand it and all in all, saw that there are very less chances to go out in profits.

Yeah, I agree that the video explained everything in detail, but I must say that there can be some issues with the video because I have seen many players earning a lot of money by betting on Crash game, and they all had their own strategies. The game can be very useful for the ones who are lucky because they can really beat out the mathematics of the game with their luck.

I have seen players who have made more than $10k per bet, and I was also betting during those sessions when I saw those players. I have even saw some players having multiplier of at least 1000x, and yes the player that got the huge multiplier placed many bets before getting a 1000x win. I remember the bet was $2 dollars and the guy earned more than $2k with that bet.

I have personally been unlucky with that game because most of the times I have lost money instead of gaining anything, but I must say that the game is quite addicting, and the ones with low hands will often tend up losing everything instead of getting anything. The luck factor is part of that game as well, but still the mathematics also makes some sense.

[Beparanf]

I saw the video but I don’t get it? How is it possible that this solution can tell us probability of what is next multiplier? I mean if everyone started using the this strategy then what happens to the house edge and other calculations? Isn’t that is going ti complicate the casino revenu Vs what’s user is earning in the first place. Though I am not maths related person and might be seeing it completely wrong. In the video they also shown that someone used the strategy to earn more than 600k in single crash game. That’s mind wobbling man, how can this be open source and it is still safe?

The video is all about explaining how the math works on determining the result of the crash game. It doesn’t gave any mathematical computation to solve upcoming rounds but rather he is just proving that strategy of betting small on crash games is useless by getting the formula on how crash games result being computed.

This topic is about just exploring the math behind crash game since it has open source code but it doesn’t mean that the future result can be computed using the video tutorial.

[serjent05]

I saw the video but I don’t get it? How is it possible that this solution can tell us probability of what is next multiplier? I mean if everyone started using the this strategy then what happens to the house edge and other calculations? Isn’t that is going ti complicate the casino revenu Vs what’s user is earning in the first place. Though I am not maths related person and might be seeing it completely wrong. In the video they also shown that someone used the strategy to earn more than 600k in single crash game. That’s mind wobbling man, how can this be open source and it is still safe?

The video is all about explaining how the math works on determining the result of the crash game. It doesn’t gave any mathematical computation to solve upcoming rounds but rather he is just proving that strategy of betting small on crash games is useless by getting the formula on how crash games result being computed.

There is a part of the video where it shows by providing the hash, the next hash is generated which is the same as the Roobets crash result. Though the explanation does not emphasize it. Though I think the video is also reminding us that martingale method won't work on this game since there is a 3% possibility (according to the video) that it will crash in an instant.

This topic is about just exploring the math behind crash game since it has open source code but it doesn’t mean that the future result can be computed using the video tutorial.

I agree, it is clearly stated that crash games is not favorable to the players in the long run.

[yahoo62278]

Crash IMO is 1 of the worst games out there but people seem to love it. Unless you're running a script, there's not a ton of time between rounds to adjust your bet accordingly and I feel like it rushes the player and in turn players make big mistakes.

The math says play crash= goodbye btc

[Fivestar4everMVP]

For my fellow math nerds,

I have found a very useful video which explains the mathematics and probabilities behind the game Crash and why beating the game with a low multiplier strategy in the long term is almost impossible. Anyone who has played on the Roobet Cryptocurrency Casino should know about it since their code is open source, which is available to everyone but you would need to understand the code itself to make any sense of how it works.

However, there is a youtube video which explains it from a simple mathematical standpoint, so even if you do not have the necessary coding knowledge, it is still easy to understand.

Video Link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F1HA7e3acSI

 

I have not watched the video yet, but thanks very much for sharing, from reading comments from other users, I know the video must be a very interesting one, i will will it later when i have free time, I am only commenting here to watch this thread so it serves as reminder for me not to forget.

Crash is one of my favorite casino games, I play it a lot but unfortunately, the only time i make anything reasonable out of the game is when i am playing it in demo  mode, the game could go as high as x300, x400 and even higher, but when playing the real game with real money, it hardly replicate such that it did in the demo version, i hope to learn to get a glimpse as to why such happens, through the video, and hope it helps me improve in the game.

[Gyfts]

It's interesting how the martingale strategy chart this guy presented has a peak negative EV on the 10th bet before decreasing. Without getting into the math, I thought the negative EV linearly grew with each bet, apparently that's not the case. Whatever the house edge is, crash implicates a lot of hindsight bias. I still enjoy playing it and I've seen a lot of clones on other places. Roobet has the best UI out of all of them.

[tusandii]

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Crash is one of my favorite casino games, I play it a lot but unfortunately, the only time i make anything reasonable out of the game is when i am playing it in demo  mode, the game could go as high as x300, x400 and even higher, but when playing the real game with real money, it hardly replicate such that it did in the demo version, i hope to learn to get a glimpse as to why such happens, through the video, and hope it helps me improve in the game.

Naturally, if you use the demo mode you can get a large multiplier because the demo mode has a curious effect on gamblers who try the game and even winning big is very easy there.
When playing for real by risking money in your balance it will be more difficult to win big or get a high multiplier as well as what I have experienced so far when trying the Crash game I have never even managed to have a very large multiplier.

As for the strategy, I don't really believe in it because in my opinion, Crash is only supported by luck if you want to win big.

[Pmalek]

I don't think the OP ever said it was possible to beat the game using a high multiplier. True, he said, "with a low multiplier strategy," and instead, he should have said: "with any multiplier strategy." However, if you watch the video, you will understand that this is not about beating the game but mathematically proving that the game is unbeatable in the long run.

All casino games are unbeatable long-term if you consider an entire userbase of players. Some of them will profit for sure, but the house edge (any house edge) will give the casino more profit than the winnings they have to pay out.

If there was something like a bulletproof game that can make anyone rich, you wouldn't be able to play it in a casino that is interested in taking your money, not giving it to you. It would be outlawed. If you get lucky and win the first time you play, take your money and go. The longer you stay trying to win even more, you increase your chances of losing everything or giving back to the provider a big chunk of your initial win. 

[Haunebu]

You don't really need to understand the math behind crash in order to realise whatever you stated because it's just another gambling game that makes sure that the house always wins in the long-term thanks to the house edge factor.

Some gamblers keep thinking that they found winning strategies just because they won in the short-term which is silly and dumb since those strategies will never work in the long-term.

Good share op though some people might not understand due to weak math skills.

[Yatsan]

You don't really need to understand the math behind crash in order to realise whatever you stated because it's just another gambling game that makes sure that the house always wins in the long-term thanks to the house edge factor.

Some gamblers keep thinking that they found winning strategies just because they won in the short-term which is silly and dumb since those strategies will never work in the long-term.

Good share op though some people might not understand due to weak math skills.

First of all, a gambling site or provider won't allow such patterns to be easily known and discovered by players 'coz it will yield to loss on their end. Indeed it is just a luck-based game just like others so I don't things pattern would really work on this game. Also if it does, eventually the provider would make an action to stop it 'coz' it will result to loss on their end. Algorithm would work in gambling industry but problem is accessibility in such pattern and avoiding further problems. House will indeed win most of the time. They simply have the money to change the thing which causes th negative outcome. If it works for you then that's good.

[Hispo]

Actually, I once played Crash on Stake during a boring afternoon and since I was new at the game I tried to go with a low multiplier strategy, instead risking to go forward and pick a big win. I was not aware of the math behind it but I quickly realized that beating the game and pocketing some money with such strategy was not a good way to go and I would eventually lose all my satoshis. That afternoon I was not feeling confident enough, so I quit after 10 rounds or so.

I must say from my own experience that playing crash and looking how people risked it all for high multipliers and they actually did it on live in front of me, it can only incite to continue playing. It is in my opinion one of the most adrenaline-inducing games in the general catalog of online casinos.  

[Fortify]

For my fellow math nerds,

I have found a very useful video which explains the mathematics and probabilities behind the game Crash and why beating the game with a low multiplier strategy in the long term is almost impossible. Anyone who has played on the Roobet Cryptocurrency Casino should know about it since their code is open source, which is available to everyone but you would need to understand the code itself to make any sense of how it works.

However, there is a youtube video which explains it from a simple mathematical standpoint, so even if you do not have the necessary coding knowledge, it is still easy to understand.

What you have ultimately got to understand is, that all these games are run by companies that are not charities. They do not exist to give money away and the fact that they can survive for years should highlight to you that they likely make a lot of money. On top of all the staff they're paying, the servers they host, the advertising that brings in more customers and all the required security to fight off people trying to take them down every day for blackmail - they're even slicing a profit on that. If, somebody was able to calculate a way to defeat these crash games, the casinos running them will adapt very quickly and it will leave you back at square one - being susceptible to the random number generator gods.

[Sandra_hakeem]

There are no arithmetical approach behind crash that practically works out... Gambling is never easy and sometimes I feel whatever maneuvers are usually created into the system are made by lame analysis of those self-acclaimed gambling gurus... But, the sad story is - casino programmers and developers aren't that dumb... They create these games in a way that there are no single maneuvers left - cus, that'll only be to the casinos disadvantage... afterall that's what they're paid for, right??..
Crash would suckup your balance till all you got left is just some few sats that can't even wager a chance in the game anymore.... beCAREFUL!!!

Sandra 🧑‍🦰

[AmoreJaz]

There are no arithmetical approach behind crash that practically works out... Gambling is never easy and sometimes I feel whatever maneuvers are usually created into the system are made by lame analysis of those self-acclaimed gambling gurus... But, the sad story is - casino programmers and developers aren't that dumb... They create these games in a way that there are no single maneuvers left - cus, that'll only be to the casinos disadvantage... afterall that's what they're paid for, right??..
Crash would suckup your balance till all you got left is just some few sats that can't even wager a chance in the game anymore.... beCAREFUL!!!

Sandra 🧑‍🦰

that is true, i also don't think much about classic game like crash. if you will overthink about the mathematical approach on this, you will go crazy. i don't know why gamblers are trying to find a path that is really not plausible when it comes to luck-based games. hoping that it will affect their game because it is not. how many strategies that we have known, and yet, the outcome varies from one person to another.

[LUCKMCFLY]

There are no arithmetical approach behind crash that practically works out... Gambling is never easy and sometimes I feel whatever maneuvers are usually created into the system are made by lame analysis of those self-acclaimed gambling gurus... But, the sad story is - casino programmers and developers aren't that dumb... They create these games in a way that there are no single maneuvers left - cus, that'll only be to the casinos disadvantage... afterall that's what they're paid for, right??..
Crash would suckup your balance till all you got left is just some few sats that can't even wager a chance in the game anymore.... beCAREFUL!!!

Sandra 🧑‍🦰

that is true, i also don't think much about classic game like crash. if you will overthink about the mathematical approach on this, you will go crazy. i don't know why gamblers are trying to find a path that is really not plausible when it comes to luck-based games. hoping that it will affect their game because it is not. how many strategies that we have known, and yet, the outcome varies from one person to another.

Well, from the programming point of view, all the mathematical modeling that can be done can be done, and in fact certain patterns can be achieved, because if it is done in a simulator, things can happen, and there is no problem with that, ne the similator things can be seen well, but when it is run inside the program is something else, things do not look so ideal when it is a code, because we do not know at what moment things change suddenly, in the Internal programming must have scripts that allow them to have various ways of cheating and to be able to do something else, it's like when we're in a casino and we think we have the pattern, we start playing, playing and then suddenly everything changes and the ptatron doesn't It is that but another and then it changes, so that is the complication of this, that is why not even the AI can determine the patterns, much less the amount of randomness that there is.

Mathematics within a game is changing, for me there are many things, I don't know if those who saw the mathematics realized that there is a very good and complicated mathematics called game theory, in this matter they explain some of the modeling mathematical applied by programmers, however this is not all, in each game there are always random factors that change the meaning of the game, that is why it is so difficult to determine or find out what is the best pattern for you to try to find out what multiplier the crash game might have, but it is so difficult, because sometimes when the crash is played, a x1 comes out and that is already something that leaves neutral, when the players make a 3x crash bet it is difficult, because many Sometimes the algorithm can give us a surprise by not getting there, although most of the time when we play it is always 5x, 7x, but sometimes things don't work out the way they are, that is the care that must be taken.

[abel1337]

There are no arithmetical approach behind crash that practically works out... Gambling is never easy and sometimes I feel whatever maneuvers are usually created into the system are made by lame analysis of those self-acclaimed gambling gurus... But, the sad story is - casino programmers and developers aren't that dumb... They create these games in a way that there are no single maneuvers left - cus, that'll only be to the casinos disadvantage... afterall that's what they're paid for, right??..
Crash would suckup your balance till all you got left is just some few sats that can't even wager a chance in the game anymore.... beCAREFUL!!!

Sandra 🧑‍🦰

that is true, i also don't think much about classic game like crash. if you will overthink about the mathematical approach on this, you will go crazy. i don't know why gamblers are trying to find a path that is really not plausible when it comes to luck-based games. hoping that it will affect their game because it is not. how many strategies that we have known, and yet, the outcome varies from one person to another.

I agree, I never judge the mechanics behind crash. I've been playing it for a long time and actually it's one of my favorite casino game of all time. I always depend on my luck and guts when I play crash. I don't overthink on this type of luck based games since I believe that it should be played with fun and challenge. I'm using a strategy but I don't overthink so much to the extent that I question the mathematical things behind of the game and the codes of it. I'm not that kind of nerd.

[milewilda]

There are no arithmetical approach behind crash that practically works out... Gambling is never easy and sometimes I feel whatever maneuvers are usually created into the system are made by lame analysis of those self-acclaimed gambling gurus... But, the sad story is - casino programmers and developers aren't that dumb... They create these games in a way that there are no single maneuvers left - cus, that'll only be to the casinos disadvantage... afterall that's what they're paid for, right??..
Crash would suckup your balance till all you got left is just some few sats that can't even wager a chance in the game anymore.... beCAREFUL!!!

Sandra 🧑‍🦰

that is true, i also don't think much about classic game like crash. if you will overthink about the mathematical approach on this, you will go crazy. i don't know why gamblers are trying to find a path that is really not plausible when it comes to luck-based games. hoping that it will affect their game because it is not. how many strategies that we have known, and yet, the outcome varies from one person to another.

I agree, I never judge the mechanics behind crash. I've been playing it for a long time and actually it's one of my favorite casino game of all time. I always depend on my luck and guts when I play crash. I don't overthink on this type of luck based games since I believe that it should be played with fun and challenge. I'm using a strategy but I don't overthink so much to the extent that I question the mathematical things behind of the game and the codes of it. I'm not that kind of nerd.

Better not to make yourself that been boggled with those things as long you do know that you are dealing with a fair site or something reputable then chances of rigged games would be not possible but in overall in speaking
about odds on winning the game then it would really be entirely be depending on your luck. Codes would be always against its players on which there might be some people who do able to win but expect the other side that there would really be tons of losers which its not really that shocking anymore on gambling field.  Crash games are really that totally that famous wayback into those early years like 2015-2020 or even up to now which Bustabit is really that still existing and does still have that considerable amount of gamblers which does simply shows that interest and preference is still there. Im not really that shocked that there are really that those type of people who are really still that skeptical when it comes to fairness. Well, im not really blaming them on but as a common gambler behavior on which on the time that they would having a loss then they would really be always loving on blaming and pointing out fingers that they are dealing with something not fair or simply being rigged. lol

[iv4n]

Crash would suckup your balance till all you got left is just some few sats that can't even wager a chance in the game anymore.... beCAREFUL!!!

Sandra 🧑‍🦰

I think we can say the same for every gambling game. Any gambling game can lead us straight to zero if it's not "our day/night". It's hard to be careful in gambling, I would even dare to say it can be bad to be careful in some moments... simply if we are not brave enough to risk here and there our balance will just melt down like ice on the sun. It's more important to be careful with deposits, never deposit more than you can lose cause once you make a deposit you need to play the game and take some risks, and that can pay off or not!

There is the math behind Crash and all other games, but it's hard to make big calculations when we have a limited balance for playing and we wish to make more money in a short period of time. I guess greediness is one of the top reasons why we lose, at least in most cases...

[khaled0111]

Thank you OP for sharing this very informative video with us. I wish there were more threads like this one in the gambling board. This will help gamblers understand the math being the games they are playing and how things work under the hood.
I'm surprised I didn't notice it before although I visit the gambling board almost every day. Has it been moved here recently?

I'm using a strategy but I don't overthink so much to the extent that I question the mathematical things behind of the game and the codes of it. I'm not that kind of nerd.

After watching the video you will realize that no strategy will work on the long run. Forget about beating the house and simply enjoy the game.

[seoincorporation]

There is not a big deal in the math behind that or any other casino games, since the site has a house edge they will always win for the long run, and there is no way to win against it because the numbers are on the house side. You can think about it like flipping a coin, and each time you lose then you lose $10 and each time to win you win $9, since the statistics say you will win 50% of the times in the long run that profit difference is that wan that doesn't allow you to win for the long run.

[Onyeeze]

For my fellow math nerds,

I have found a very useful video which explains the mathematics and probabilities behind the game Crash and why beating the game with a low multiplier strategy in the long term is almost impossible. Anyone who has played on the Roobet Cryptocurrency Casino should know about it since their code is open source, which is available to everyone but you would need to understand the code itself to make any sense of how it works.

However, there is a youtube video which explains it from a simple mathematical standpoint, so even if you do not have the necessary coding knowledge, it is still easy to understand.

Video Link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F1HA7e3acSI

 

All of something of this nature are supposed to be shared in the trading section because looking at this particular thing you find that it give easy access to understand things and it give access know what you are doing. When I clicked the link you shared with us, I was not having the knowledge of coding before but with the youtube link I'm now able-bodied to understand small things about code, so therefore with these code can be learn and well understood very well.

[abel1337]

There are no arithmetical approach behind crash that practically works out... Gambling is never easy and sometimes I feel whatever maneuvers are usually created into the system are made by lame analysis of those self-acclaimed gambling gurus... But, the sad story is - casino programmers and developers aren't that dumb... They create these games in a way that there are no single maneuvers left - cus, that'll only be to the casinos disadvantage... afterall that's what they're paid for, right??..
Crash would suckup your balance till all you got left is just some few sats that can't even wager a chance in the game anymore.... beCAREFUL!!!

Sandra 🧑‍🦰

that is true, i also don't think much about classic game like crash. if you will overthink about the mathematical approach on this, you will go crazy. i don't know why gamblers are trying to find a path that is really not plausible when it comes to luck-based games. hoping that it will affect their game because it is not. how many strategies that we have known, and yet, the outcome varies from one person to another.

I agree, I never judge the mechanics behind crash. I've been playing it for a long time and actually it's one of my favorite casino game of all time. I always depend on my luck and guts when I play crash. I don't overthink on this type of luck based games since I believe that it should be played with fun and challenge. I'm using a strategy but I don't overthink so much to the extent that I question the mathematical things behind of the game and the codes of it. I'm not that kind of nerd.

Better not to make yourself that been boggled with those things as long you do know that you are dealing with a fair site or something reputable then chances of rigged games would be not possible but in overall in speaking
about odds on winning the game then it would really be entirely be depending on your luck. Codes would be always against its players on which there might be some people who do able to win but expect the other side that there would really be tons of losers which its not really that shocking anymore on gambling field.  Crash games are really that totally that famous wayback into those early years like 2015-2020 or even up to now which Bustabit is really that still existing and does still have that considerable amount of gamblers which does simply shows that interest and preference is still there. Im not really that shocked that there are really that those type of people who are really still that skeptical when it comes to fairness. Well, im not really blaming them on but as a common gambler behavior on which on the time that they would having a loss then they would really be always loving on blaming and pointing out fingers that they are dealing with something not fair or simply being rigged. lol

I'm still playing on bustabit since it's the OG and the longevity of is something that neither other crash casino website has. Many have copied the game idea but as we see from the players, I believe that that casino is still reigning in crash games. I'm not good at analyzing and investigating codes that's why I think it's a waste of time for me trying to investigate it. Others who had a better skills would have been done it. There are gamblers who are skeptical but there are positive things about them like doing their own research about the negative things that can happen to a casino like checking if it is still good as it ever before.

[dezoel]

There are no arithmetical approach behind crash that practically works out... Gambling is never easy and sometimes I feel whatever maneuvers are usually created into the system are made by lame analysis of those self-acclaimed gambling gurus... But, the sad story is - casino programmers and developers aren't that dumb... They create these games in a way that there are no single maneuvers left - cus, that'll only be to the casinos disadvantage... afterall that's what they're paid for, right??..
Crash would suckup your balance till all you got left is just some few sats that can't even wager a chance in the game anymore.... beCAREFUL!!!

Sandra 🧑‍🦰

that is true, i also don't think much about classic game like crash. if you will overthink about the mathematical approach on this, you will go crazy. i don't know why gamblers are trying to find a path that is really not plausible when it comes to luck-based games. hoping that it will affect their game because it is not. how many strategies that we have known, and yet, the outcome varies from one person to another.

Not just crazy but it can also make you go broke because you are testing every possibilities. That is not a healthy way anymore to gamble. Isn't it obvious on why they kept doing it? That is because they want to make living off gambling.

Although there are also streamers who can get paid and professional gamblers but I am not referring to them. Formulating strategies might affect our game in a way that we can last a little longer but in the end, the casino can still reign. There are well-known strategies but as we see, they are less effective. I think that is because the casino already knows about them and they already adjusted their system.

[Johnyz]

Not just crazy but it can also make you go broke because you are testing every possibilities. That is not a healthy way anymore to gamble. Isn't it obvious on why they kept doing it? That is because they want to make living off gambling.

Although there are also streamers who can get paid and professional gamblers but I am not referring to them. Formulating strategies might affect our game in a way that we can last a little longer but in the end, the casino can still reign. There are well-known strategies but as we see, they are less effective. I think that is because the casino already knows about them and they already adjusted their system.

Even if we try to solve such pattern or formula, you can still get the same answer and that is the house will always win.
Imagine having such numbers, you will really go crazy even if you are good at math. Better to use your math skills in Lottery which I think have the chance to decode a good strategy to increase the probability for you to win since there are rumors about solving it and many won in lottery already. Crash game is a system operated game, and casinos are more wise because they have to.

[Saint-loup]

It's interesting how the martingale strategy chart this guy presented has a peak negative EV on the 10th bet before decreasing. Without getting into the math, I thought the negative EV linearly grew with each bet, apparently that's not the case. Whatever the house edge is, crash implicates a lot of hindsight bias. I still enjoy playing it and I've seen a lot of clones on other places. Roobet has the best UI out of all of them.

How would you explain this decrease and this peak negative EV exactly? It would be surprising. IMO it's just because he made a mistake in his spreadsheet by truncating or rounding values of the Probability of losing column at only 2 digits after the decimal point. It doesn't matter for the first values when it's 51.71% or 26.71% for example. But it doesn't have the same consequences when it's 0.06% and 0.03% for the rest of the calculations.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F1HA7e3acSI&t=480s

[goaldigger]

Not just crazy but it can also make you go broke because you are testing every possibilities. That is not a healthy way anymore to gamble. Isn't it obvious on why they kept doing it? That is because they want to make living off gambling.

Although there are also streamers who can get paid and professional gamblers but I am not referring to them. Formulating strategies might affect our game in a way that we can last a little longer but in the end, the casino can still reign. There are well-known strategies but as we see, they are less effective. I think that is because the casino already knows about them and they already adjusted their system.

Even if we try to solve such pattern or formula, you can still get the same answer and that is the house will always win.
Imagine having such numbers, you will really go crazy even if you are good at math. Better to use your math skills in Lottery which I think have the chance to decode a good strategy to increase the probability for you to win since there are rumors about solving it and many won in lottery already. Crash game is a system operated game, and casinos are more wise because they have to.

This is actually a good effort to compute the numbers and I agree that this is gambling, whatever you think the strategy is might not still be enough to break the system of casinos and they will still be the profitable one here. Though there’s nothing wrong to try too, and if OP will succeed on this the it can be a good progress for the gamblers, I’m sure OP is a math genius so there’s nothing to worry about getting crazy here.

[khaled0111]

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This is interesting but can you explain more!. As far as I can see, the guy give gave exemples based on his experience and based on some math equations. Why do you think there are inconsistencies! The equations he has provided and all the math behind it make sens.
It makes sense and it's logical.

[Chikito]

This is actually a good effort to compute the numbers and I agree that this is gambling, whatever you think the strategy is might not still be enough to break the system of casinos and they will still be the profitable one here. Though there’s nothing wrong to try too, and if OP will succeed on this the it can be a good progress for the gamblers, I’m sure OP is a math genius so there’s nothing to worry about getting crazy here.

In gambling, everything with impossible will become possible, and vice versa. We have to determine it to be more profit-oriented when our finger is on the mouse and bet button. As I remember in high school, there was a math lesson about opportunity theory, but the results were not certain exactly what we wanted, because the number of output results is always two-way which it depend on how many times we spin it. So when we talk about math in gambling, the results will obviously be different and unexpected.

[tbct_mt2]

In gambling, everything with impossible will become possible, and vice versa.

It's a game of probability and win or lose can come with our bet.

We have to determine it to be more profit-oriented when our finger is on the mouse and bet button. As I remember in high school, there was a math lesson about opportunity theory, but the results were not certain exactly what we wanted, because the number of output results is always two-way which it depend on how many times we spin it. So when we talk about math in gambling, the results will obviously be different and unexpected.

When we bet, our andrenaline and dopamine will change a lot which causes us to be more uncontrollable. We will make more emotional decisions with our bets and it's hard to stop if we can not have a calm mind. Mostly we lose our control with betting, a longer time we are betting continuously, a more possibility we will lose control of emotion and decision.

Math will no longer work for us when our minds are already emotional controlled.

[Beparanf]

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This is interesting but can you explain more!. As far as I can see, the guy give gave exemples based on his experience and based on some math equations. Why do you think there are inconsistencies! The equations he has provided and all the math behind it make sens.
It makes sense and it's logical.

I think he is just trying express the difference on outcome if the last part of the computation will not be rounded off since the percentage is already and it will give a significant difference if you round up on a place which the main value for the percentage is located.

There’s no problem on the math behind. The consistency on showing the data is what he is referring as I understand his comment.

[Saint-loup]

This is interesting but can you explain more!. As far as I can see, the guy give gave exemples based on his experience and based on some math equations. Why do you think there are inconsistencies! The equations he has provided and all the math behind it make sens.
It makes sense and it's logical.

I was just replying to Gyfts who noticed a so-called peak and a decrease of the Expected Value. The guy of the video didn't talk about that AFAIK, it's just an observation from this user. But I'm surprised by his finding because it doesn't seem logical and the values hardly follow a pattern. So I asked him if he had an explanation about that and if he tried to make the calculations without rounding the probability of losing, because it's the most logical explanation IMO.
-0.46 (-0.05) -0.51 (-0.01) -0.52 (-0.04) -0.56 (+0.07) -0.49 (+0.15) -0.34

[Mr.suevie]

Not just crazy but it can also make you go broke because you are testing every possibilities. That is not a healthy way anymore to gamble. Isn't it obvious on why they kept doing it? That is because they want to make living off gambling.

Although there are also streamers who can get paid and professional gamblers but I am not referring to them. Formulating strategies might affect our game in a way that we can last a little longer but in the end, the casino can still reign. There are well-known strategies but as we see, they are less effective. I think that is because the casino already knows about them and they already adjusted their system.

Even if we try to solve such pattern or formula, you can still get the same answer and that is the house will always win.
Imagine having such numbers, you will really go crazy even if you are good at math. Better to use your math skills in Lottery which I think have the chance to decode a good strategy to increase the probability for you to win since there are rumors about solving it and many won in lottery already. Crash game is a system operated game, and casinos are more wise because they have to.

It is very funny how some gambler would actually think he or she can actually use their maths solving abilities in an habit such as gambling, l mean just like you said the house always come out victorious in situation like this as I have seen a gambler who taught he can be too and calculate his way to victory on virtual soccer game by actually recording every single game that was played past and using these records against the house but the latter was the case and he lost a lot as his confidence to win practically put him into more blunder.

[Hamphser]

Not just crazy but it can also make you go broke because you are testing every possibilities. That is not a healthy way anymore to gamble. Isn't it obvious on why they kept doing it? That is because they want to make living off gambling.

Although there are also streamers who can get paid and professional gamblers but I am not referring to them. Formulating strategies might affect our game in a way that we can last a little longer but in the end, the casino can still reign. There are well-known strategies but as we see, they are less effective. I think that is because the casino already knows about them and they already adjusted their system.

Even if we try to solve such pattern or formula, you can still get the same answer and that is the house will always win.
Imagine having such numbers, you will really go crazy even if you are good at math. Better to use your math skills in Lottery which I think have the chance to decode a good strategy to increase the probability for you to win since there are rumors about solving it and many won in lottery already. Crash game is a system operated game, and casinos are more wise because they have to.

It is very funny how some gambler would actually think he or she can actually use their maths solving abilities in an habit such as gambling, l mean just like you said the house always come out victorious in situation like this as I have seen a gambler who taught he can be too and calculate his way to victory on virtual soccer game by actually recording every single game that was played past and using these records against the house but the latter was the case and he lost a lot as his confidence to win practically put him into more blunder.

On the time that the reality would slap into your face then this is the time that you would really be able to realize that Math or whatever analysis and methods you would be making or using will really be pointless.

Yes, you can win for sometime or some moments but doesnt mean that it is working or really that possible.It really just happen that you are really just that lucky that time and not something that give out
that kind of idea that the analysis you had made was indeed a perfect strategy. Sooner or later you would really be able to bust yourself on using those strategies. Its true and its been commonly known that
house do always win at the end. You would really be finding yourself on a situation on which you are really that losing even more just because you are really that trying out to make that strategy work.

Tihs is where most gamblers do really fail and getting wrecked on gambling just because of those kind of hopes which we know that this isnt how gambling do work and this isnt
how people should really be treating up this way. If you do have this kind of mindset then it would really be creating that kind of desperation.

[khaled0111]

It is very funny how some gambler would actually think he or she can actually use their maths solving abilities in an habit such as gambling, l mean just like you said the house always come out victorious in situation like this as I have seen a gambler who taught he can be too and calculate his way to victory on virtual soccer game by actually recording every single game that was played past and using these records against the house but the latter was the case and he lost a lot as his confidence to win practically put him into more blunder.

What's actually funny is that the guy in the video isn't using his math skills to figure out a way or to find a strategy to beat the house, as some members are suggesting. What he did is explaining how crash games work. He even gave detailed stats just to prove that you can't beat the house no matter what. He also talked about the martingale strategy and explained why it can't work.

[AmoreJaz]

It is very funny how some gambler would actually think he or she can actually use their maths solving abilities in an habit such as gambling, l mean just like you said the house always come out victorious in situation like this as I have seen a gambler who taught he can be too and calculate his way to victory on virtual soccer game by actually recording every single game that was played past and using these records against the house but the latter was the case and he lost a lot as his confidence to win practically put him into more blunder.

What's actually funny is that the guy in the video isn't using his math skills to figure out a way or to find a strategy to beat the house, as some members are suggesting. What he did is explaining how crash games work. He even gave detailed stats just to prove that you can't beat the house no matter what. He also talked about the martingale strategy and explained why it can't work.

well, a lot of people are gullible and they thought there's really some math explanation behind this game of chance. because if there' even one that can give you a guarantee of winnings, maybe, a lot of people already used such strategy. how many decades have people known about martingale, d'alembert and so on. and yet, no one has even known to become filthy rich by using such known methods.