Wagering - share your opinion

[Jody.Drummer]

In sports betting, we really need to have knowledge and strategies in making predictions so that what is at stake is not in vain.
Many people don't understand this even though they are on the other hand chasing VIP rank by betting a lot or depositing money to have bonuses which they feel are very profitable.
But if you chase the account ranking percentage by betting carelessly, that's also the wrong action, it can even make a gambler enter into a trap of destruction due to the losses that always befall.

Yes, and that's important to me because I've also always used that method to at least get some wins there. In sports betting, they should be able to use some strategies and knowledge to increase the chances of winning and also increase the ranking of the account as you said. Don't let you bet but the results are in vain, I mean you can't get anything including an increase in the ranking in your account by being beaten there frequently. Basically it's very difficult to increase the rank of the account if we just play without knowing some opportunities that we can do like we are discussing this, I have done it and I hope they know this.

If you say VIP is profitable or not, you can say it's quite profitable because every gambler can receive a bonus every week or month so they can get a little recovery from the money they lost when betting.
Even though it requires a large amount of money to achieve it, at least after being able to have a high rank, every amount of money that is at stake can be included in the percentage of the size of the bonus amount that is obtained.
After all, not all gamblers can easily rank high gambling accounts.

I think it's very beneficial, because if you're already in the VIP rank the weekly and monthly bonuses that we get are pretty decent for me. That's right, it can restore losses from the previous time or we can use it to play again there with new luck. Even I myself often get a win if I use the money from the weekly or monthly bonus and this is indeed quite helpful haha.

[rdbase]

I'd encourage waiting or looking for a promotion before wagering because you'll hit two birds with one stone. Your participation in the promotion already increases your VIP progress, and once you win a prize, it'll help you accelerate the progress even further as you'll have more bankroll to work with.

One of the alternative games for wagering aside from dice is live roulette because Evolution has a roulette game called "La Partage" and in Evolution's roulette, you can bet on both sides (red and black). The big difference in La Partage is getting half of your bet back if it lands on green, so you'll lose less and place more bets compared to playing at the regular roulette table. It's not the best wagering game as dice but, it's still better than most casino games.

Wanted to make a response to this message when I saw it but had another subject to attend too but now there is a brief lull in the sports scene I have a chance to discuss about casino table games.

@ralle14 So this La Partage roulette game you would say gives you a better chance at raising wagering requested amounts needed to fill a requirement than any other table game available?
Had somebody tell me a longtime ago that baccarat had the least amount of loss if you choose both banker and player for a bet. I think I tried it once and lost 10% of my bet each round. So stopped doing that for gaining a higher wagering round.

[ralle14]

@ralle14 So this La Partage roulette game you would say gives you a better chance at raising wagering requested amounts needed to fill a requirement than any other table game available?
Had somebody tell me a longtime ago that baccarat had the least amount of loss if you choose both banker and player for a bet. I think I tried it once and lost 10% of my bet each round. So stopped doing that for gaining a higher wagering round.

Yup, in that roulette game, the worst case that can happen in each round is losing half of your bet, but you still need a bit of luck because there are times when the green hits one too many times or only once within the last 200 rounds.

I also had baccarat in mind but it can chunk through your bankroll if the dealer only gives out banker wins most of the time.

[Blitzboy]

Wagering in casinos for the sake of bonuses is indeed, without a doubt, an engaging and sometimes profitable endeavor; it is, after all, an activity. But it can be risky. Tips for wagering? Its not advisable to bet more than you can lose, even though wagering isnt about losing or winning, except when it is. Its wise to read the rules and make sense of them, or not, depending on your understanding of the game.

The rank of your account may or may not improve with wagering. There might be a connection there or there might not be

[Questat]

Wagering in casinos for the sake of bonuses is indeed, without a doubt, an engaging and sometimes profitable endeavor; it is, after all, an activity. But it can be risky. Tips for wagering? Its not advisable to bet more than you can lose, even though wagering isnt about losing or winning, except when it is. Its wise to read the rules and make sense of them, or not, depending on your understanding of the game.

The rank of your account may or may not improve with wagering. There might be a connection there or there might not be

To be safe, don't force things. Although it's attractive to become a VIP, it requires a huge wagering requirement. But as gamblers, if we enjoy gambling, we will eventually reach that level. It's not as fast as others who really have a lot of money to gamble.

You are right; the key here is to gamble only what you can afford. That will give you the freedom to enjoy. As I mentioned, eventually, our status will become VIP in the long run. Some are too aggressive in reaching that level, but they don't realize the risk of losing more money. It's very basic that every gambler should understand that the house wins in the long run.

[ethereumhunter]

Wagering in casinos for the sake of bonuses is indeed, without a doubt, an engaging and sometimes profitable endeavor; it is, after all, an activity. But it can be risky. Tips for wagering? Its not advisable to bet more than you can lose, even though wagering isnt about losing or winning, except when it is. Its wise to read the rules and make sense of them, or not, depending on your understanding of the game.

The rank of your account may or may not improve with wagering. There might be a connection there or there might not be

The risks will not always be commensurate with the wins we will get because often, the wins will be manageable compared to the money we deposit to the casino. To get this bonus, we are usually required to deposit a certain amount of money and play gambling there, then we can get this bonus. And if we win, we may have to stake a few times before we are allowed to withdraw the winnings. And if the win is a big one, the casino may need to check your account before they process a withdrawal of your winnings. We should first consider whether or not it is appropriate to try to get the bonus and whether we can meet the requirements or not.

[Slow death]

I think account levels are beneficial for people who can bet with a lot of money, in the case of sports bettors for example, and they need to keep putting a lot of money into each single bet, only in this way can they reach the wagering requirement to have a high level vip account. but the problem with this is that there are people who aim to reach the highest level of vip account, these people start by betting high amounts of money and are not bothering about hitting the games they bet on, their goal is to reach the requirement of bets for vip account and after some time when they reach that goal they start to slow down the amount they bet on each game

and they are benefiting from the bonus that these high level VIP accounts give, but when the casino reduces the value of the bonus these people start to complain a lot, because it is at this time that they are making calculations of the value that they lost lasting all the time until they reach the highest vip level and the value they are earning with the bonus, and they realize that it did not compensate all the money they spent in the casino and regret and lamentations come, months ago I saw someone who came to this forum complain about a casino because according to with this person, he put a lot of money in the casino, and before the bonus was high, but with the reduction of the bonus amount

he wasn't making gains that made up for it, I was wondering: are people looking at the vip levels as a long term investment? because when I read that post and others that came to talk about the same thing, then I started to see that people are looking at VIP accounts as a long-term investment, unfortunately. People have completely forgotten that playing at the casino is not an investment, it's just fun. I remember that there was a case of a person who said that he lost his VIP account email and password and was complaining that without access to the account he was losing the bonus, but when asked to provide proof that the account belonged to him, he could not answer that

it was clear that he had bought the account, and he insisted that he was losing the bonuses, he even did not accept that as the account was inactive for a long time, he no longer had bonuses to claim. the guy stopped posting, but that led me to conclude that people are spending money to meet the wagering requirements to have vip accounts and others buy accounts because they think this is an investment, unfortunately it is a very wrong thought

[Fivestar4everMVP]

Wagering in casinos for the sake of bonuses is indeed, without a doubt, an engaging and sometimes profitable endeavor; it is, after all, an activity. But it can be risky. Tips for wagering? Its not advisable to bet more than you can lose, even though wagering isnt about losing or winning, except when it is. Its wise to read the rules and make sense of them, or not, depending on your understanding of the game.

The rank of your account may or may not improve with wagering. There might be a connection there or there might not be

The risks will not always be commensurate with the wins we will get because often, the wins will be manageable compared to the money we deposit to the casino. To get this bonus, we are usually required to deposit a certain amount of money and play gambling there, then we can get this bonus. And if we win, we may have to stake a few times before we are allowed to withdraw the winnings. And if the win is a big one, the casino may need to check your account before they process a withdrawal of your winnings. We should first consider whether or not it is appropriate to try to get the bonus and whether we can meet the requirements or not.

It is no longer news to every experienced gambler that bonuses comes with a wager requirement, though it helps discourage gamblers against any thought of abusing the bonus offer, the wager requirement condition simply claiming those bonus a risky venture as well, in the sense that, in the process of wagering to meet the required amount to claim the bonus, if you are not lucky, you might loss money that is even higher than the bonus you are going you claim, and for those who are lucky, the also might win very big amount of money in the process of chasing a bonus, so even claiming a bonus is still another part of gambling altogether, this is why I always advise gamblers to always check every bonus and the wager requirement that goes with it, and make sure its worth chasing, so they don't end up just losing money for nothing.

[ethereumhunter]

It is no longer news to every experienced gambler that bonuses comes with a wager requirement, though it helps discourage gamblers against any thought of abusing the bonus offer, the wager requirement condition simply claiming those bonus a risky venture as well, in the sense that, in the process of wagering to meet the required amount to claim the bonus, if you are not lucky, you might loss money that is even higher than the bonus you are going you claim, and for those who are lucky, the also might win very big amount of money in the process of chasing a bonus, so even claiming a bonus is still another part of gambling altogether, this is why I always advise gamblers to always check every bonus and the wager requirement that goes with it, and make sure its worth chasing, so they don't end up just losing money for nothing.

So before they try to claim the bonus by depositing the amount that the casino has set, they read the terms carefully and they can also make sure by asking the support service so they don't have trouble or run into problems. Most gamblers will deposit some money immediately without reading the wagering requirements because they think the rules will be the same as the previous promotion when it's completely different. And after playing to get a win, that's where the trouble started. According to them, the casino had cheated on its promotion, even though it was the gambler's fault. Do not chase promotional bonuses if it exceeds the budget limit we have than we will encounter difficulties later. Surely later there will be a promotional bonus that suits us so that we can take it without difficulty and make sure to read the rules before taking the bonus.

[rdbase]

@ralle14 So this La Partage roulette game you would say gives you a better chance at raising wagering requested amounts needed to fill a requirement than any other table game available?
Had somebody tell me a longtime ago that baccarat had the least amount of loss if you choose both banker and player for a bet. I think I tried it once and lost 10% of my bet each round. So stopped doing that for gaining a higher wagering round.

Yup, in that roulette game, the worst case that can happen in each round is losing half of your bet, but you still need a bit of luck because there are times when the green hits one too many times or only once within the last 200 rounds.

I also had baccarat in mind but it can chunk through your bankroll if the dealer only gives out banker wins most of the time.

Tried seeking out that roulette game but to no avail. Which platform is on if you don't mind posting about it on here.
It might actually help somebody who is having a safer way to wager through to their next vip requirement on the site they are using.

Played baccarat yesterday with a small amount and had 4/5 hands ending up in a draw. So it gave back entire wagered amount for those hands.
Alot saver way than dice and crash type casino games even at those 1.01x odd rolls.

[nara1892]

It is no longer news to every experienced gambler that bonuses comes with a wager requirement, though it helps discourage gamblers against any thought of abusing the bonus offer, the wager requirement condition simply claiming those bonus a risky venture as well, in the sense that, in the process of wagering to meet the required amount to claim the bonus, if you are not lucky, you might loss money that is even higher than the bonus you are going you claim, and for those who are lucky, the also might win very big amount of money in the process of chasing a bonus, so even claiming a bonus is still another part of gambling altogether, this is why I always advise gamblers to always check every bonus and the wager requirement that goes with it, and make sure its worth chasing, so they don't end up just losing money for nothing.

So before they try to claim the bonus by depositing the amount that the casino has set, they read the terms carefully and they can also make sure by asking the support service so they don't have trouble or run into problems. Most gamblers will deposit some money immediately without reading the wagering requirements because they think the rules will be the same as the previous promotion when it's completely different. And after playing to get a win, that's where the trouble started. According to them, the casino had cheated on its promotion, even though it was the gambler's fault. Do not chase promotional bonuses if it exceeds the budget limit we have than we will encounter difficulties later. Surely later there will be a promotional bonus that suits us so that we can take it without difficulty and make sure to read the rules before taking the bonus.

Well, that's right, to be honest, I've also experienced something like this, I claimed a bonus because it looked good enough to increase my capital, but the problem was that I didn't understand the Turn Over that I had to achieve. I started playing and when my balance went up I tried to make a withdrawal and sure enough it was complicated, they said that I had not touched the Turn Over limit that I claimed before. In the end, I'm sure all gamblers will experience a problem like this when they decide to claim a bonus there, and not a few also end up experiencing a total defeat, they lose everything, and they are a form of disappointment with the casino itself.
That's right, actually this is purely the fault of the gamblers themselves, if at first they read all the provisions that have been provided then they will be able to make the right decision according to their abilities.

[pawanjain]

Dear all,
Here to discuss wagering.
Wagering is an activity to redeem gambling bonuses, increase the rank of your account in a casino and a whole series of other advantages ...
Share your opinion and what are your tips or tricks on this topic

I focus less on wagering and more on the fun but whenever I am into wagering it is mostly for the bonuses and rewards that comes with it.
I know, wagering bonuses can be really tempting but at the same time we have to provide our time and money to fulfill the wagering requirements.
It also happens some times that in the process of wagering we tend to lose all that we have in our account and so we should be cautious while wagering too much.

[wiss19]

The way I see it, the more you wager the greater your chance of losing money is. In other words, the casino wants you to make as many bets as possible, so for the casino it's usually better if you bet 10 times with 1 USD than 1 time with 10 USD, because they have a sure and safe way of making money as long as you keep betting. If you lose $100 in one bet, they make money, but you could've won $100 in that 1 bet and put the casino on the loss. If you bet 100 times with $1 the casino makes some money from every single wager. For this reason they add leveling up and bonuses so that you keep playing, thinking you're being awarded, but you're not.

I don't really get your logic here. How can the casino earn more money if you wager $100 in portions instead of doing it in a single bet? The casino will still get $100 if you are losing all your bets, but the casino would rather earn more if you are wagering it all at once because you will surely win some bets when you are wagering that $100 into $1 bets but if you lose the $100 bet, it's all gone from your account into the bankroll of the casino.

So there is basically no such concept of the casino earning more if you are wagering the money in smaller bets. I understand that they want you to do more wagering and don't stop, but that simply means that they want you to wager more than $100 and not that you wager the same amount in smaller bets.

[goinmerry]

Do not chase promotional bonuses if it exceeds the budget limit we have than we will encounter difficulties later. Surely later there will be a promotional bonus that suits us so that we can take it without difficulty and make sure to read the rules before taking the bonus.

I'm seeing it the other way around.

Isn't it more reasonable to do some chasing promotional bonuses if lack of budget? There are lots of interesting promotional bonuses around that give up to 150% - 200% deposit bonuses and sometimes there are even added Free Spins on top of those deposits in some cases. Of course, the drawback is, expect that the wagering requirement is challenging at the same time, also expect that the maximum withdrawal allowed on that said promotional bonus does have a limit.

I should say that it's better than nothing compares to playing gambling with a small amount of bankroll.

There are lots of players already who are able to get a good run with that.

[Cling18]

Do not chase promotional bonuses if it exceeds the budget limit we have than we will encounter difficulties later. Surely later there will be a promotional bonus that suits us so that we can take it without difficulty and make sure to read the rules before taking the bonus.

I'm seeing it the other way around.

Isn't it more reasonable to do some chasing promotional bonuses if lack of budget? There are lots of interesting promotional bonuses around that give up to 150% - 200% deposit bonuses and sometimes there are even added Free Spins on top of those deposits in some cases. Of course, the drawback is, expect that the wagering requirement is challenging at the same time, also expect that the maximum withdrawal allowed on that said promotional bonus does have a limit.

I should say that it's better than nothing compares to playing gambling with a small amount of bankroll.

There are lots of players already who are able to get a good run with that.

It depends on yhe kind of promotions and bonuses that we will be joining and of course, we also have to base and calculate our possible earnings on our budget and be sure that we could reach the wagering requirements because if not, we would really end up chasing these bonuses and promotions.
We still need to grab opportunities based on our capabilities because if not, we will only be wasting our funds and time. Yes, s of people are earning from it but there should also be an assurance that we can always comply with the wagering requirement and the minimum withdrawal requirement.

[ethereumhunter]

Well, that's right, to be honest, I've also experienced something like this, I claimed a bonus because it looked good enough to increase my capital, but the problem was that I didn't understand the Turn Over that I had to achieve. I started playing and when my balance went up I tried to make a withdrawal and sure enough it was complicated, they said that I had not touched the Turn Over limit that I claimed before. In the end, I'm sure all gamblers will experience a problem like this when they decide to claim a bonus there, and not a few also end up experiencing a total defeat, they lose everything, and they are a form of disappointment with the casino itself.
That's right, actually this is purely the fault of the gamblers themselves, if at first they read all the provisions that have been provided then they will be able to make the right decision according to their abilities.

That's what often happens to us. We are too happy to see the victory we managed to get so we don't read the rules carefully and in the end, we will find that it turns out we have not fulfilled our obligation to be able to withdraw the winning money. I also experienced it and instead of being able to withdraw the winning money, I ended up losing all the money at the gambling table

For this reason, we must check everything before deciding to participate in the promo or bonus so that we are not disappointed later. Most gamblers still forget to read the rules because they think they don't want to miss participating in the promo so they miss the most important part of the rules.

I'm seeing it the other way around.

Isn't it more reasonable to do some chasing promotional bonuses if lack of budget? There are lots of interesting promotional bonuses around that give up to 150% - 200% deposit bonuses and sometimes there are even added Free Spins on top of those deposits in some cases. Of course, the drawback is, expect that the wagering requirement is challenging at the same time, also expect that the maximum withdrawal allowed on that said promotional bonus does have a limit.

I should say that it's better than nothing compares to playing gambling with a small amount of bankroll.

There are lots of players already who are able to get a good run with that.

It may make more sense but we have to adjust to our budget. It's not worth trying if our budget is lacking because later, it will be difficult to withdraw the winning money if we win. I'm sure the casino will always provide other interesting promotions and we can look for promotions that are roughly what we can afford and don't burden us in participating. The betting requirements are sometimes very high and difficult for the average gambler to achieve. Still, there are also wagering requirements that are not demanding for many gamblers so that small gamblers like us can participate.

[iv4n]

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Share your opinion and what are your tips or tricks on this topic

Well, some time ago we had an interesting discussion in the Gosu group... What is the quickest way to wager +1m to get some higher VIP level at Stake, and some minimum amount to start wagering? As I remember we agreed that one shouldn't even start without $10k, and with a lot of luck that can be enough... When it comes to choice of games the in-house games are probably better for wagering.

I don't wager for competitions and all sorts of wagering wars anymore... because the tips and tricks for wagering a lot are to gamble like crazy, and to have the courage to push with all-ins at some moments. That kind of extreme gambling often leads to busting the balance, but it has some good moments and crazy wins as well. In the end, more money can make wagering a bit safer and easier... with less money we need to risk more and that makes wagering a lot harder.

[rdbase]

@iv4n What is a gosu group anyways? Did you put together some players specifically from a casino then dedicate to playing on there only?
$10k to start for reaching $1mln in wagering total is a very difficult challenge to do.
I tried $5k and only managed to reach $495k in a month of wagering it was achievable but it required nearly $125k each week for a total wagered amount to be reached.
On their livestream last weekend the owner showed a screen of the client seeds on their dice site and was talking about how somebody managed to some how hack into their seeds.
They managed to guess how many rounds it would take to have a winning seed.
So they would just wager alot when that round occurred. He was shocked that somebody managed to solve it on one of their sites.

[Kakmakr]

I think wagering is just a subtle way for casinos to get back the money that they pay out in rewards. People never wager with 3rd party Slots because the RTP will quickly clean out their balance... but the in-house games with the good RTP are similar to slow boiling a frog in a pot.

Take DICE on Stake.com as an example ... Put it on a 1.0102x Multiplier with a Roll Over of 2 that will give you a Win Chance of 98% .... and then spin say 10 000 x $0.30 bets. (Enable Live Stats and see how slowly it will drain your balance) ......that is wagering and you are slowly boiling like a frog. 

[Radek4921]

Often, if you only think about making a wager instead of focusing on the game, it usually ends up with you having to keep making up for losses and finally losing. In my opinion, it's better to find a way that will bring you a lot of fun from the game and you won't even notice when you make a really big wager.