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August 17, 2023, 03:10:03 AM
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I noticed that when I start to play games like keno, limbo, dice, etc. First some bets don't hit and after wagering some percentage of my balance it starts to hit,
How it works? like when we wager we have more probability to hit win, anyone noticed this? Do you know how it works and what is the calculation behind it?, do server sends outcomes by checking our wager?
There's no such thing as a thing that we can connect the dots here between wagered amount and result.

Everything is random and we have to expect a result like that on a "luck-based game" obviously. House-edge rules, random algorithm rules, RTP-related rules, and everything. I also noticed your observation but it's just that, that's how the system should be supposed to work.

If the site is somehow reputable, expect that everything is fair and they won't do some sh*t to their users.
Some people just make assumptions themselves after observing a game multiple times and seeing some coincidental outcomes back to back and they start believing that there is something in this that they need to find out about. But in reality, there is actually nothing that they are assuming but it is just a coincidence that they are taking differently and becoming either superstitious or doubtful about the casino or the game that they've been playing.

I have a relative, who gambles on a local mobile app every now and then, and he plays a game there which shows the results of the previous rounds on a sheet on the screen. I have always seen him thinking that he can guess the next outcome based on those results and their pattern, his guesses were correct sometimes which made him think that he got the formula of success but soon after that he loses everything, lol Grin.

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August 17, 2023, 03:55:28 AM
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Playing on a reputable casino is far more profitable than just using a random sites or casinos because of the bonus that we might get when we make bets. Well known casinos are probably fair without having a second thought unless there the casino team have started with  maliciously attempt to scam there customers tarnishing there well known reputable which is what many look after before they decide to bet on a casino. I mostly prefer using the well known casino I have been using than going for a new one.
Playing gambling at a trusted casino provides peace of mind because we will be far away from problems that might arise. But we also don't need to increase the wager amount, especially if we have experienced several consecutive defeats. Increasing the amount of the wager, it's the same as accepting whatever the risk is, including losing again. So playing at a trusted casino will be safer and you will not experience fraud like people get when gambling at shady casinos.
Actually playing at a trusted casino can provide benefits where we as customers will get very good service even though there are problems it will always be resolved quickly and better, in contrast to middle and lower casinos where the average service is never satisfactory and every time there is a problem the resolution process is up to several day, here @bushdark prefers and always uses a trusted casino because there are bonuses that are more profitable and more proven to be fair but actually regarding bonuses and fairness it depends on how we as customers take advantage of bonuses and the way of thinking will prove that casinos are fair because there are still some people who use trusted casinos say that the gaming systems in casinos are unfair and designed to beat gamblers.

Increasing the number of bets to be able to win more is not the right choice because when gamblers increase the number of bets, the percentage of wins will decrease and this kind of thing happens in any casino, be it a big trusted casino or a small casino everything is the same.

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August 17, 2023, 07:14:09 AM
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Actually playing at a trusted casino can provide benefits where we as customers will get very good service even though there are problems it will always be resolved quickly and better, in contrast to middle and lower casinos where the average service is never satisfactory and every time there is a problem the resolution process is up to several day, here @bushdark prefers and always uses a trusted casino because there are bonuses that are more profitable and more proven to be fair but actually regarding bonuses and fairness it depends on how we as customers take advantage of bonuses and the way of thinking will prove that casinos are fair because there are still some people who use trusted casinos say that the gaming systems in casinos are unfair and designed to beat gamblers.

Increasing the number of bets to be able to win more is not the right choice because when gamblers increase the number of bets, the percentage of wins will decrease and this kind of thing happens in any casino, be it a big trusted casino or a small casino everything is the same.
That's why we play gambling at trusted casinos to avoid problems arising because the service will be better than other casinos. But if it's a promotional bonus, we have to be careful about taking the bonus even if it's at a trusted casino because we have to be able to find a bonus that fits our budget. But many people aren't careful and try to chase the bonus and don't pay attention to any wagering requirements before they can get it. And when they get a problem, they immediately accuse the casino of not being able to handle it even though it was their fault. Many people have had experiences like that, so we still have to be careful and only choose bonuses we can afford.

And for the bet amount, we don't need to add or increase it to get a bigger win. It's only a matter of time until you can land that big win so it's better to stick with small bets and gamble in moderation.

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August 17, 2023, 12:34:28 PM
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Gambling with those games is based on luck. Wager has nothing to do with the final outcome. Each bet is individual and has no connection with each other which can determine your outcomes. Maybe it's a coincidence that has happened to you. Maybe it is working for you for the time being just because luck is on your side. Don't get carried away and keep doing the same thing while constantly increasing your wager. Stick to your plan and use what you can afford to lose.
When the luck runs out, you may make more losses than wins. Always keep this in mind while gambling. It is always a 50-50 chance. Win and loss can happen at any time. It's totally random. It is in the algorithm. No matter what you try, the games are going to follow that to the end. Make sure you don't put more in hopes for profits driven by greed.
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August 17, 2023, 02:11:11 PM
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I noticed that when I start to play games like keno, limbo, dice, etc. First some bets don't hit and after wagering some percentage of my balance it starts to hit,
How it works? like when we wager we have more probability to hit win, anyone noticed this? Do you know how it works and what is the calculation behind it?, do server sends outcomes by checking our wager?
Also, i would like to tell you that there is a difference between a reality and a gut feeling. What you are feeling about the wagering and outcome of the games is most probably your gut feeling and this has nothing to do with reality.

For a moment think that this statement is true if you wager more you will start to lose but initially, you will win. So every gambler would play one or two games daily and get grantee wins. This does not happen in reality as people lose even the first few games when they start to gamble for the day.
Losing is inevitable, one can obviously not stop themselves from losing no matter what they do, but what OP has observed that a person starts getting winning spins once they wager some money and don't win in the initial spins, but that isn't true because the results from the beginning are generated through a random number generator so there can't be a difference between the first few spins and the spins after that but it is all just coincidental.

A lot of people observe a lot of different things when gambling and they think that they are patterns or something and their gambling is affected by these but in reality, there is no pattern or anything that a casino follows since we all know the generated results are totally random and not manually generated.

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August 17, 2023, 02:35:57 PM
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And for the bet amount, we don't need to add or increase it to get a bigger win. It's only a matter of time until you can land that big win so it's better to stick with small bets and gamble in moderation.
Yes, that's what I always do as a small gambler, even though getting a little win isn't a problem, it depends on budget constraints too, if you have a small budget, you should gamble with small bets, but if you have a large budget, you can bet with large bets, come back to each portion and win. not only about the value obtained but the victory against the dealer is the most important.

You don't need to make big bets to win, because even with small bets you can win too, don't be too greedy to get big wins using big bets, but use as much as you can with an amount you can afford to lose. all results depend on the amount of the bet as long as you can limit the budget everything will be fine so as not to get addicted.

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August 17, 2023, 03:30:15 PM
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Gambling with those games is based on luck. Wager has nothing to do with the final outcome. Each bet is individual and has no connection with each other which can determine your outcomes. Maybe it's a coincidence that has happened to you. Maybe it is working for you for the time being just because luck is on your side. Don't get carried away and keep doing the same thing while constantly increasing your wager. Stick to your plan and use what you can afford to lose.
When the luck runs out, you may make more losses than wins. Always keep this in mind while gambling. It is always a 50-50 chance. Win and loss can happen at any time. It's totally random. It is in the algorithm. No matter what you try, the games are going to follow that to the end. Make sure you don't put more in hopes for profits driven by greed.
People have been primed for thousands of years to look for patterns in chaos. But betting? Its unedited, raw chaos. Thinking that every bet is linked or that each result has a greater purpose? Thats our brain trying to make sense of chaos by tricking us. Yes, it's all based on formulas. And what do you think of the "50-50 chance"? A mere illusion. The truth is that the casino always wins. You're just a piece in this big game, even though you think your moves matter. Remember this: the machine does not care. It helps neither you nor anyone else. If you think you know everything, you're fooling yourself. Keep believing in what you do, but dont ever think you've cracked the code.

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August 18, 2023, 08:24:06 AM
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Yes, that's what I always do as a small gambler, even though getting a little win isn't a problem, it depends on budget constraints too, if you have a small budget, you should gamble with small bets, but if you have a large budget, you can bet with large bets, come back to each portion and win. not only about the value obtained but the victory against the dealer is the most important.

You don't need to make big bets to win, because even with small bets you can win too, don't be too greedy to get big wins using big bets, but use as much as you can with an amount you can afford to lose. all results depend on the amount of the bet as long as you can limit the budget everything will be fine so as not to get addicted.
As long as we can adjust to our budget, we should accept everything well and it's better not to try to chase more wins. We should be able to be satisfied with what we have got today, including small wins at gambling because we still have plenty of time to play gambling and maybe we can get even bigger wins.

The important thing is that we are not greedy in our pursuit of victory and if we have already won it, it is better to rest immediately so that our minds don't think about how to get bigger wins. We can try it again another day, giving us a bigger win. So adjust your bet amount and don't expect to get bigger results if we know that luck is difficult to come to us.

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August 18, 2023, 05:41:10 PM
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People have been primed for thousands of years to look for patterns in chaos. But betting? Its unedited, raw chaos. Thinking that every bet is linked or that each result has a greater purpose? Thats our brain trying to make sense of chaos by tricking us. Yes, it's all based on formulas. And what do you think of the "50-50 chance"? A mere illusion. The truth is that the casino always wins. You're just a piece in this big game, even though you think your moves matter. Remember this: the machine does not care. It helps neither you nor anyone else. If you think you know everything, you're fooling yourself. Keep believing in what you do, but dont ever think you've cracked the code.
That's exactly the point a lot of people don't understand, they keep looking for hints and ways to crack a gambling game thinking that they might be able to find a pattern that can actually make them win a certain bet and they can get a significantly high amount on that specific bet to win a lot of money, what's true is that it is all a game that our mind and the casino plays with us, you might see something that makes you think you've cracked the code, but the reality is opposite of that.

If it was actually possible for anyone to just find a pattern to beat the house I bet there wouldn't be any casinos left in the world by now as they would all go bankrupt eventually when players start knowing the winning bets and betting with high amounts so that they can win huge sums.

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August 18, 2023, 08:08:56 PM
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Yes, that's what I always do as a small gambler, even though getting a little win isn't a problem, it depends on budget constraints too, if you have a small budget, you should gamble with small bets, but if you have a large budget, you can bet with large bets, come back to each portion and win. not only about the value obtained but the victory against the dealer is the most important.

You don't need to make big bets to win, because even with small bets you can win too, don't be too greedy to get big wins using big bets, but use as much as you can with an amount you can afford to lose. all results depend on the amount of the bet as long as you can limit the budget everything will be fine so as not to get addicted.
As long as we can adjust to our budget, we should accept everything well and it's better not to try to chase more wins. We should be able to be satisfied with what we have got today, including small wins at gambling because we still have plenty of time to play gambling and maybe we can get even bigger wins.

The important thing is that we are not greedy in our pursuit of victory and if we have already won it, it is better to rest immediately so that our minds don't think about how to get bigger wins. We can try it again another day, giving us a bigger win. So adjust your bet amount and don't expect to get bigger results if we know that luck is difficult to come to us.
I agree with you that greed can destroy everything such as commitments and plans that we have arranged to be destroyed just because we are greedy to get bigger and I also agree when you say about knowing when to stop gambling it is very good because when we know when we just stop betting, of course we have good control and when planning the funds we will use for gambling and not exceeding these limits it is very good to apply to gambling activities like what I did.
Usually I sometimes also set a win limit too when I have the funds to gamble $30 and get a $20 win I will stop and take a short break to avoid gambling for a while to avoid greed.

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August 19, 2023, 05:59:18 AM
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I agree with you that greed can destroy everything such as commitments and plans that we have arranged to be destroyed just because we are greedy to get bigger and I also agree when you say about knowing when to stop gambling it is very good because when we know when we just stop betting, of course we have good control and when planning the funds we will use for gambling and not exceeding these limits it is very good to apply to gambling activities like what I did.
Usually I sometimes also set a win limit too when I have the funds to gamble $30 and get a $20 win I will stop and take a short break to avoid gambling for a while to avoid greed.
That was because many people had already fallen into ruin due to greed that they couldn't properly control and instead turned to attack him and took everything they had including gambling. When they should be able to get that big win, they should stop immediately and enjoy the moment of victory and not play gambling for a while to reduce their tension after getting the big win. But what happened was that they continued to gamble and didn't notice that their balance had begun to decrease and in the end they needed money and it was difficult to recover the loss.

I never set a win limit in gambling because I know it will be hard to get. I can only be grateful for whatever number of wins I get and try to stop immediately even though sometimes I continue playing for one or two more rounds Grin

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August 19, 2023, 08:00:45 AM
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I noticed that when I start to play games like keno, limbo, dice, etc. First some bets don't hit and after wagering some percentage of my balance it starts to hit,
How it works? like when we wager we have more probability to hit win, anyone noticed this? Do you know how it works and what is the calculation behind it?, do server sends outcomes by checking our wager?

I don't think this very likely, it sounds like way too much work for the casino to design payouts for every gambler in relation to their balance. How often do you gamble and for how many hours? It sounds a bit to me as you try to interpret something into a very small sample size. Humans like to find patterns, even if they aren't there. For the casino I don't really see the need for fixing their games, every game already has a house edge that makes sure the casino is profitable in the long run. The casino would be more interested in increasing their customer numbers to increase profits, rather than fixing the games. Also what are the chances to keep such a huge scam a secret? Just one casino employee would be enough to blow the whistle on the whole industry and ruin all the casinos overnight.
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August 26, 2023, 08:20:58 PM
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I noticed that when I start to play games like keno, limbo, dice, etc. First some bets don't hit and after wagering some percentage of my balance it starts to hit,
How it works? like when we wager we have more probability to hit win, anyone noticed this? Do you know how it works and what is the calculation behind it?, do server sends outcomes by checking our wager?

I don't think this very likely, it sounds like way too much work for the casino to design payouts for every gambler in relation to their balance. How often do you gamble and for how many hours? It sounds a bit to me as you try to interpret something into a very small sample size. Humans like to find patterns, even if they aren't there. For the casino I don't really see the need for fixing their games, every game already has a house edge that makes sure the casino is profitable in the long run. The casino would be more interested in increasing their customer numbers to increase profits, rather than fixing the games. Also what are the chances to keep such a huge scam a secret? Just one casino employee would be enough to blow the whistle on the whole industry and ruin all the casinos overnight.
While I respect your analysis, it seems you might be missing the bigger picture here. Of course, people seek out patterns. However, the goal here is to understand the game, not only find patterns

What casino? It's an enterprise. Since I've been working in the business world for a while, trust me when I say that although it may seem difficult to alter rewards based on balance, it's not impossible. The best technology ever exists now is fantastic! If it helps their wallets, they'll almost certainly do anything

On one point, though, we can both agree that it's challenging to maintain the mystery of any foul play. Someone would reveal the truth. But to imply that no casino would ever consider going beyond the house edge to tilt the scales in their favor? We'll simply say that might be a little naive. Never forget that playing the game properly is more important than understanding the odds

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August 26, 2023, 08:32:11 PM
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I agree with you that greed can destroy everything such as commitments and plans that we have arranged to be destroyed just because we are greedy to get bigger and I also agree when you say about knowing when to stop gambling it is very good because when we know when we just stop betting, of course we have good control and when planning the funds we will use for gambling and not exceeding these limits it is very good to apply to gambling activities like what I did.
Usually I sometimes also set a win limit too when I have the funds to gamble $30 and get a $20 win I will stop and take a short break to avoid gambling for a while to avoid greed.
That was because many people had already fallen into ruin due to greed that they couldn't properly control and instead turned to attack him and took everything they had including gambling. When they should be able to get that big win, they should stop immediately and enjoy the moment of victory and not play gambling for a while to reduce their tension after getting the big win. But what happened was that they continued to gamble and didn't notice that their balance had begun to decrease and in the end they needed money and it was difficult to recover the loss.

I never set a win limit in gambling because I know it will be hard to get. I can only be grateful for whatever number of wins I get and try to stop immediately even though sometimes I continue playing for one or two more rounds Grin
What I mean by the winning limit is when I use the budget that I said earlier and have a limit not to exceed $ 20 and if you only get $ 10, let's say that it is already a win, which means not crossing that limit so you avoid greed which will worsen your state of mind.
When talking about greed, of course if someone who has entered the abyss of greed and is used to a pattern of life like that it will be very difficult to avoid everything about being greedy at gambling and feeling always dissatisfied with what he gets right away.

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August 26, 2023, 10:37:36 PM
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In my opinion, not really. Games of keno, limbo, dice, etc., are gambling games based on luck. So if you're risking some percentage or just using a small bet, it won't matter. And in this case, your luck comes when you use bigger betting money than before. But maybe some friends can check the calculations because there must be someone very experienced in this matter.

I haven't played craps in a while, so I don't know how it's progressing. I used only to bet small amounts and never raise my stakes because I was too afraid to lose a lot of money.
Yes, these are mostly luck based games so whether you bet a small or a bigger amount, the outcome will depend on how lucky you are, if not you’ll eventually messed up your money. However, for big time players, they never wager small bets so if they luckily won, they will be entitled for a bigger amount of profits. But for those who only wager based on minimal amount, I guess whether it’s a win or loss, that won’t be an issue for them.

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August 26, 2023, 11:14:39 PM
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 Yes, these are mostly luck based games so whether you bet a small or a bigger amount, the outcome will depend on how lucky you are, if not you’ll eventually messed up your money. However, for big time players, they never wager small bets so if they luckily won, they will be entitled for a bigger amount of profits. But for those who only wager based on minimal amount, I guess whether it’s a win or loss, that won’t be an issue for them.

The luck only decides you will get the victory today or loss.The amount of betting will not be considered till the deposit money going to be loss completely.When you was unlucky on that day,the possibility will be loss of entire bets.The higher betting gamblers will not worry about the small bets and loss of entire money.Sometimes the low bet will give you jackpot,then the rest of gambler life will be get settle.After a jackpot,He no need to go job to earn for the support of their family.The important one is gamblers should not lend his winnings to his friends or family members.

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August 28, 2023, 05:32:47 AM
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What I mean by the winning limit is when I use the budget that I said earlier and have a limit not to exceed $ 20 and if you only get $ 10, let's say that it is already a win, which means not crossing that limit so you avoid greed which will worsen your state of mind.
When talking about greed, of course if someone who has entered the abyss of greed and is used to a pattern of life like that it will be very difficult to avoid everything about being greedy at gambling and feeling always dissatisfied with what he gets right away.
The win limit you say, can be a limitation in achieving victory, but the possibility of getting it may not be as easy as we imagine. We may often experience small wins after trying to buy the Bonus Buy feature or use regular rounds but the results are not what we expected. But as long as you can accept whatever wins you get, that's okay and that means those are the limits you need to be able to stop. But be careful because we may have to stop before we can make it to that win limit.

Greed will come to everyone, especially to those who have already won, regardless of the amount, because greed can whisper in our ears to keep playing because we still have the possibility of winning in the next round. This is very difficult to avoid but if we have self-control, it can be prevented because we will always remember that playing gambling requires luck and that luck will not always last as long as we want.

Yes, these are mostly luck based games so whether you bet a small or a bigger amount, the outcome will depend on how lucky you are, if not you’ll eventually messed up your money. However, for big time players, they never wager small bets so if they luckily won, they will be entitled for a bigger amount of profits. But for those who only wager based on minimal amount, I guess whether it’s a win or loss, that won’t be an issue for them.
So the results we get will not depend on how big or small the amount of bets we make, so if we bet with small money, maybe the results won't be too big unless our luck comes and gives us a big win. But on average, if someone uses small bets, they can only win the amount they bet and only luck can help them get big wins. But that's rare for most people. And looking at the reality, maybe we should just gamble as usual, determine the amount of bets we can afford, and start gambling. And as for the results, let the results come to us so we don't think about making big wins because it won't be easy.

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August 29, 2023, 07:21:39 AM
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I noticed that when I start to play games like keno, limbo, dice, etc. First some bets don't hit and after wagering some percentage of my balance it starts to hit,
How it works? like when we wager we have more probability to hit win, anyone noticed this? Do you know how it works and what is the calculation behind it?, do server sends outcomes by checking our wager?
correct mate , maybe OP's experience is only according to that certain time and not applicable to the whole gambling community/gamblers .
and also there are many can prove that fairness is activated to all of us (maybe aside from OP lol)
though we must also accept that losing is more when it comes to gambling lol.

No, the outcome has nothing to do with your wager or how long you play. They are absolutely random; you can try employing techniques or patterns, but the results will always be random. Well, I can't blame or prevent anyone from believing that a specific instance could influence the outcome because I'm guilty of thinking the same way occasionally or most of the time, possibly due to emotions.
and that is why we must now how we are dealing in Online gambling comparing in landbase casinos.
here there are more random than expected

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