The story of Betnomi.com (Exit Scam)

[Poika5]

So, he only has access to a partial version of the database that apparently does not contain user email addresses?! How convenient.

Yet they can somehow check if the username/email exists in the database.  

2. Username (request will be ignored if the username does not exist)

3. Email address (request will be ignored if the email does not match)

Regarding the suggestion to send an email to users, this is clearly the most effective way to resolve this issue.

Why not post it on your Twitter account(18k followers)?
https://twitter.com/betnomi

So, your whole plan is to whitewash your reputation as cheaply as possible?

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[holydarkness]

So, he only has access to a partial version of the database that apparently does not contain user email addresses?! How convenient.

Yet they can somehow check if the username/email exists in the database.  


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Ahh... I was just from that thread, being curious and asking the same matter. One other thing that's also interesting, given they're pursuing legal action against the perpetrator who stole their IP, I think they can ask a court appointed entity to access this database currently being possessed by the perpetrator and send an email blast to their customer informing about this refund. I am pretty much sure one of the IP being stolen was email database, given many user of betnomi got unsolicited email promotion back when the chaos of their downfall initially happened.

This refund phase looks awfully more and more like an attempt to get many people's credential instead of a real attempt to refund people.

[LoyceV]

So, your whole plan is to whitewash your reputation as cheaply as possible?

Why would anyone believe anything the scammer says at this point?

[examplens]

This refund phase looks awfully more and more like an attempt to get many people's credential instead of a real attempt to refund people.

Certainly, data collection via e-mail is quite non-transparent. I won't be surprised if some anonymous people start appearing, confirming how they got a refund from Betnomi. But the ultimate motive for everything that comes from there is still unclear. I assume that Betnomi will no longer work as a gambling site, and the only thing that seems likely to me is that Sorsis wants to have some positive feedback, because "CEO of Betnomi" is mentioned in his biography.

[logfiles]

Certainly, data collection via e-mail is quite non-transparent. I won't be surprised if some anonymous people start appearing, confirming how they got a refund from Betnomi. But the ultimate motive for everything that comes from there is still unclear.

Sounds like the plan, remember the Livecoin chaos where random newbie accounts started registering in the forum and immediately posting in the Livecoin thread allegedly confirming that they had received 50% of the payments with random TX ID and then all of a sudden disappeared? 

[FatFork]

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because "CEO of Betnomi" is mentioned in his biography.

Interestingly, he seems to have scrubbed all mentions of the "Nomi Labs Co-Founder" from his online profiles. Looks like he's trying to distance himself from that company, even though the entire Betnomi platform was birthed under that brand. What's he trying to hide or play down?



https://archive.is/LoOBe


https://archive.ph/BnDTb

As per his LinkedIn profile, Tigran B. worked as a Technical Recruiter at Nomi Labs until May 2023.

[Mahdirakib]

Why would anyone believe anything the scammer says at this point?

He wants us to believe in what he says. Because he was successful by using the strategy in the past. Now he is doing it all to regain the trust. Let's assume they are really going to make the refund. But it won't be fair, and all the users aren't going to get it. After doing all these things, Sorsis might say something like this

I will admit we did some pretty sloppy job with our canceled ICO (downtime, silence, user database leak, withholding users funds etc.) but, that was all it was sloppy, not scammy.

Interestingly, he seems to have scrubbed all mentions of the "Nomi Labs Co-Founder" from his online profiles. Looks like he's trying to distance himself from that company, even though the entire Betnomi platform was birthed under that brand. What's he trying to hide or play down?

I can't recall it properly whether 'Nomi Labs Co-Founder' was mentioned in his profile or not. But it is true that Betnomi has come from Nomi Labs. And Sorsis is one of the owners of Nomi Labs.

Betnomi team havs considered all the inquiries as spam/abuse on their telegram group. In this process, they have also banned some users who was asking about their funds and Betnomi's downtime. Which is a clear example of scam attempt from Betnomi. But they don't think it like this. They have also said a reason for playing with the trust list.

We will delete anything we consider as spam or abuse in our Telegram group, and about trust settings, I am absolutely sure that this is a personal forum setting that everyone can use at their own discretion. This setting does not affect you or anyone except me and the feedback I see.

[FatFork]

Interestingly, he seems to have scrubbed all mentions of the "Nomi Labs Co-Founder" from his online profiles. Looks like he's trying to distance himself from that company, even though the entire Betnomi platform was birthed under that brand. What's he trying to hide or play down?

I can't recall it properly whether 'Nomi Labs Co-Founder' was mentioned in his profile or not. But it is true that Betnomi has come from Nomi Labs. And Sorsis is one of the owners of Nomi Labs.

It was. I'm sure of that. Unfortunately, I failed to archive his LinkedIn profile at the time, but I mentioned it here. Regardless, the connection between Betnomi and Nomi Labs is indeed noteworthy, and you can still find confirmation that Sorsis is one of the owners of Nomi Labs through various Google caches. For instance, if you search for images using the query "Sorsis Chatwin Nomi Labs," you'll find traces of his promotional posts for Nomi Labs on his LinkedIn, though they have all been deleted now:


https://www.google.com/search?q=Sorsis+Chatwin+Nomi+Labs

Also, in cached versions of some other websites, like for example here:


https://archive.is/xslJw

[Mahdirakib]

For instance, if you search for images using the query "Sorsis Chatwin Nomi Labs," you'll find traces of his promotional posts for Nomi Labs on his LinkedIn, though they have all been deleted now:

Google is showing those images actually which has been liked by Sorsis on LinkedIn.

Also, in cached versions of some other websites, like for example here:

https://archive.is/xslJw

It can be considered as a solid evidence. Maybe Sorsis wants to keep Nomi Labs in a safe place by removing the information from his LinkedIn profile. However, they stopped all the progress of Nomi Labs before stopping the operation of Betnomi. Their social media accounts are inactive since the January month of this year.

[Mahdirakib]

The refund drama of Betnomi hasn't ended successfully yet. People are still waiting to get their funds back.



In the meantime, Betnomi team (Sorsis and other admin of their telegram group) is back with a new project. They may refund a part of the users to gain the trust again for their new project, but everyone should remember the shady things and behaviour of Betnomi team.



No one knows how bigger and long lasting their new scam project will be. Perhaps, they will finalize everything by observing the reaction of the gambling community after the refund drama.

[yahoo62278]

The refund drama of Betnomi hasn't ended successfully yet. People are still waiting to get their funds back.



In the meantime, Betnomi team (Sorsis and other admin of their telegram group) is back with a new project. They may refund a part of the users to gain the trust again for their new project, but everyone should remember the shady things and behaviour of Betnomi team.



No one knows how bigger and long lasting their new scam project will be. Perhaps, they will finalize everything by observing the reaction of the gambling community after the refund drama.

No matter how many users they do end up refunding their rep is still never going to be completely back to good. The way this all transpired cost them more then they realize. The lack of communication was devastating for them.

[AHOYBRAUSE]

The refund drama of Betnomi hasn't ended successfully yet. People are still waiting to get their funds back.



In the meantime, Betnomi team (Sorsis and other admin of their telegram group) is back with a new project. They may refund a part of the users to gain the trust again for their new project, but everyone should remember the shady things and behaviour of Betnomi team.



No one knows how bigger and long lasting their new scam project will be. Perhaps, they will finalize everything by observing the reaction of the gambling community after the refund drama.

No matter how many users they do end up refunding their rep is still never going to be completely back to good. The way this all transpired cost them more then they realize. The lack of communication was devastating for them.

Yeah, once the trust is gone it's hard to repair that. Refunds are mandatory, nothing special to get your players back.
I thing a considerate amount of players will not deposit there again. Once you make a bad experience like that people tend to move on from it and won't make the same mistake again trusting a site with their funds when this site has this kind of history.
It happened once, it can happen again.

Unless they do a total rebranding I see no future for them. The name betnomi will always be tainted with this.

[LTU_btc]

The refund drama of Betnomi hasn't ended successfully yet. People are still waiting to get their funds back.
https://talkimg.com/images/2024/01/11/se5UJ.jpeg

In the meantime, Betnomi team (Sorsis and other admin of their telegram group) is back with a new project. They may refund a part of the users to gain the trust again for their new project, but everyone should remember the shady things and behaviour of Betnomi team.

https://talkimg.com/images/2024/01/11/sWo6q.jpeg

No one knows how bigger and long lasting their new scam project will be. Perhaps, they will finalize everything by observing the reaction of the gambling community after the refund drama.

Oh, I already forgot about Betnomi as I haven't heard anything about them for a while. How unexpected (not) that people didn't got refunds. I guess that only not so big part of their users filled request, as others simply weren't aware about it. But Betnomi didn't even bothered torefund part of their users.
They're starting new project when they didn't refunded customers of their previous project, what is pathetic. These who are going to use their new project have no common sense anddon't respect themselves.

[notblox1]

Why I am not surprised they are launching another token with presale and new casino  
If you read what they wrote on their docs page they say thy are going to transform betting industry with their new platform  
New presale on BNB, because this is easiest way for Sorsis to collect money again, and I didnt found Betnomi mentioned anywhere on this page:
https://docs.basebet.io/intro/about-basebet

[Poker Player]

Why I am not surprised they are launching another token with presale and new casino  

I am not surprised either. Surely they have taken the idea of freebitco.in, which is not exactly created FUNToken but joined giving advantages in their casino and has been profitable for them but not for investors. I guess we will see something like that:

[efialtis]

The refund drama of Betnomi hasn't ended successfully yet. People are still waiting to get their funds back.



In the meantime, Betnomi team (Sorsis and other admin of their telegram group) is back with a new project. They may refund a part of the users to gain the trust again for their new project, but everyone should remember the shady things and behaviour of Betnomi team.



No one knows how bigger and long lasting their new scam project will be. Perhaps, they will finalize everything by observing the reaction of the gambling community after the refund drama.

What a joke (a terrible one really) that is - unfortunately, this is the crypto wild west. It would not be possible in the traditional gambling space (where you can also find more than enough bad actors), but it`s just not as easy as in our space. You scam people, make up funny stories and there`s no consequence whatsoever (unless you become a very BIG player).

[logfiles]

Why I am not surprised they are launching another token with presale and new casino  
If you read what they wrote on their docs page they say thy are going to transform betting industry with their new platform  
New presale on BNB, because this is easiest way for Sorsis to collect money again, and I didnt found Betnomi mentioned anywhere on this page:
https://docs.basebet.io/intro/about-basebet

Such a trend reminds me of those hard core scammers behind different MLMs and Ponzi schemes. Once one collapses or gets exposed, the scammer goes ahead, starts a resh and creates a new one. The cycle continues, but one thing is for sure, such people are always so greedy for the money they scam from innocent people. It becomes their addictive drug and one day, their 40 days of scamming run out.

[LTU_btc]

Such a trend reminds me of those hard core scammers behind different MLMs and Ponzi schemes. Once one collapses or gets exposed, the scammer goes ahead, starts a resh and creates a new one. The cycle continues, but one thing is for sure, such people are always so greedy for the money they scam from innocent people. It becomes their addictive drug and one day, their 40 days of scamming run out.

This is nothing strange. Once they try such thing and then they already have experience and know how of scamming proccess. Yeah, very similar to people addicted to drugs, it's difficult to return on good path after you already got addicted.
What is more shocking is number of people who are ready to use new project of scammers, despite all red flags given. Some people will never learn.

[Mahdirakib]

Betnomi representative claimed that they have completed the refund process. Some forum members have confirmed it too. But it isn’t verifiable whether all the victims got their funds back or not. Because some of the forum members aren't active who had complained about their stuck funds, and all the victim doesn't have account in this forum. Sorsis has disabled the messaging option on the Betnomi's telegram group. However, it is known that they are doing it all to launch their new project successfully without having the past controversy related to Betnomi. Now it is up to the gambling community whether they will trust those people or not.

Personally, I wouldn't recommend them to anyone. They had sold user email database to the spammers to get some money. Betnomi team (Sorsis) has proven themselves as unprofessional and untrustworthy on time to time.

We have completed the refund process for the final set of withdrawal requests. Out of these, two have been denied due to fraud (account was previously banned). Three of them have been forwarded to the risk management team of our odds feeds and game providers. Apart from these five instances, all other refunds have been 100% completed.

[bislom]

We should make clear that the number of victims will be reduced. And when this site is online, Red tag it from the beginning. We should do everything to warn everbody on the forum about this new scam project.