Free Condolence Bonuses to Betnomi exit scam victims

[icopress]

[...] So if anyone have a ledger device from Betnomi, I would say use it cautiously.

I had to spend a couple of hours to figure it out a little (I surfed the official site and reddit):

In my opinion with iron everything should be all right. Genuine Ledger devices have a special security chip that prevents any physical tampering with the device. In other words, every time you connect your cold wallet, Ledger Live checks the security chip number against the numbers in its database (if it doesn't match, the wallet won't sync with Ledger Live). At least that's how I understand it. By the way, Ledger does not provide any visual seals on the box (I also learned about this recently).

So if someone has a device from Betnomi, then I think that you should first of all be wary of the Ledger Recover feature and not a hardware hack (although I'm not sure if this only applies to users who have activated this feature or to all owners of cold wallets). I would appreciate it if someone would join the discussion and correct me if I'm wrong.

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[Haunebu]

Betnomi exit scam? Damn. I've been out of the loop and I am surprised to hear this news since I actually enjoyed my time there. These trash websites make it a lot harder for gamblers to trust newly launched legit gambling sites sadly.

Anyway, this whole initiative by Trustdice is admirable for sure despite them clearly having ulterior motives. Great stuff team!

[Cling18]

What a good gesture from the Trust  dice team to compensate the victims of Betnomi with free bonuses. I don't think that this is a way to lure people into betting in their platform because it is the affected victims choice to  accept the bonuses or not. To use the casino or not,it is left for the victims to decide themselves.

This is certainly a very good gesture from the Trust dice team. This is not a marketing gimmick or a way to get new customers. OP has clearly said it is a way to help the victims regain trust in iGaming industry. I have never seen a casino taking such a step to help those in need. This gesture will also increase every new and existing user trust on Trust dice.

Actually this is another kind of marketing strategies, because in this I believe that after this have be done I believe that many customers will like to patronize Trust dice, because they have created awareness to participates that the team handling trust dice are available at any moment to settle any case that may results accusations in their site, so this is awareness because if they want do this without using this method to get more firms, I think that they will compensate they customers in silent without making it to the public.

If they will compensate the Betnomi users in silence, then how are they going to reach out to them one by one without announcing it? Marketing strategy or not, we can always expect negative feedback from good deeds. I don't see anything wrong with their decision to help Betnomi victims so instead of accusing them as taking advantage of the situation, let's just allow them to help and let's just see it in a positive way. I hope more casinos would have the same initiation in the future.

[Casdinyard]

Betnomi exit scam? Damn. I've been out of the loop and I am surprised to hear this news since I actually enjoyed my time there. These trash websites make it a lot harder for gamblers to trust newly launched legit gambling sites sadly.

Anyway, this whole initiative by Trustdice is admirable for sure despite them clearly having ulterior motives. Great stuff team!

In their defense betnomi's been in this forum for about 3 years now and they have proven themselves straight and honest even against allegations of using fake identities in the past, so nobody really would've seen this ever happening, and while you're right at least with the fact that this burns the little trust that the industry has over new and upcoming gambling sites this is all the more reasons for them to up their game and improve upon the current system of gambling here in the crypto world. I've seen sites out here not even trying to stand out and then asking themselves why they failed. But I digress, that's not the real point of the post lol. This issue has been marinating since early July when their site went down all of a sudden, apparently they have been communicative the whole time until quite recently when they've just gone full radio silent and dipped on their stakeholders, including those that handle their signature campaign here like icopress.

[Onyeeze]

If they will compensate the Betnomi users in silence, then how are they going to reach out to them one by one without announcing it? Marketing strategy or not, we can always expect negative feedback from good deeds. I don't see anything wrong with their decision to help Betnomi victims so instead of accusing them as taking advantage of the situation, let's just allow them to help and let's just see it in a positive way. I hope more casinos would have the same initiation in the future.

Suggested in two ways because I know very well that why the public announcement will attract more firm to their platform and for that to attract firms is by making this public announcement, sending messages to the victims personally is not hard its something they will highlight and send onces if they wish to inbox the victims privately without anyone  knowledge, is not that I'm condemning the ideas of the platform, I summarised by saying that after being done this to the victims this site will experience more trafficking because what they did is good and same method of marketing their platform showing that they are legit and they don't support ilegalities

[Mahanton]

Betnomi exit scam? Damn. I've been out of the loop and I am surprised to hear this news since I actually enjoyed my time there. These trash websites make it a lot harder for gamblers to trust newly launched legit gambling sites sadly.

Anyway, this whole initiative by Trustdice is admirable for sure despite them clearly having ulterior motives. Great stuff team!

In their defense betnomi's been in this forum for about 3 years now and they have proven themselves straight and honest even against allegations of using fake identities in the past, so nobody really would've seen this ever happening, and while you're right at least with the fact that this burns the little trust that the industry has over new and upcoming gambling sites this is all the more reasons for them to up their game and improve upon the current system of gambling here in the crypto world. I've seen sites out here not even trying to stand out and then asking themselves why they failed. But I digress, that's not the real point of the post lol. This issue has been marinating since early July when their site went down all of a sudden, apparently they have been communicative the whole time until quite recently when they've just gone full radio silent and dipped on their stakeholders, including those that handle their signature campaign here like icopress.

Old things come and go and it would really be depending or varying on how they would really be handling out their business on which means that despite on running for 3 years doesnt mean that it would really be completely remove the essence of risk for them to ran away or would really be having those shady issues or complaints but we know that there are situations on which these issues could neither be false or something that been done by other competitions and also there are issues on which it might be internal and the complainant had violated sites terms and conditions. Unless if the platform or site did ran away then this is considered to be a complete scam.
Basing up on what we are seeing on whats been offered on OP or been doing then its a good gesture on helping out to those gamblers who had been affected but cant really be sure on how they would be able to validate
those real users who had been affected but not really that something interesting though yet as usual which bonuses are subjected to terms and conditions which we know that its always been a disadvantage for us.

[bangjoe]

Btw, I would like to thank Trustdice for holding this event for Betnomi victims, I really still can't believe that Betnomi ended like this, I really witnessed that Betnomi had a long experience with us in this forum, what a regrettable tragedy.

It was sad to see the bad end. I had a chat with icopress. It was about the Ledger devices. While I don't trust Ledger anymore, I don't trust Betnomi too now. Since these Ledger devices were coming through Betnomi who had a long plan to scam forum members, who knows they could alter the devices too. So if anyone have a ledger device from Betnomi, I would say use it cautiously.

Trusdice is just doing a cross marketing. Many people don't like it but it's understandable, in marketing a business needs to take every opportunity they have.

And indeed Ledger from the giveaway event that they sponsored on this forum by giving Ledger as a gift raises a question mark for all of us who know it, is there something that they've embedded into that wallet or anything that they can control remotely if the wallet is used, it is true that this incident has caused what has been given to reap doubt and distrust, this really needs to be looked at.
 
This may be an effective strategy to try to promote on their own, but it seems like a fawn over the destruction of other platforms, and naturally there will be pros and cons in this kind of action.

[Haunebu]

This issue has been marinating since early July when their site went down all of a sudden, apparently they have been communicative the whole time until quite recently when they've just gone full radio silent and dipped on their stakeholders, including those that handle their signature campaign here like icopress.

I did hear some issues related to Betnomi sometime back, but I expected them to get resolved as usual due to their reputation as you mentioned which is why I didn't think much about them until now.

It's sad to see so many victims losing their hard earned funds instantly exposing crypto in a negative light.

[so98nn]

I am also surprised to see some casino making such offering to the victim. It is one of the best gesture ever and I would say TrustDice is killing it in good way possible. Whether it is marketing strategy, whether it is purely help, whether it is something else, I think they have done a great job by publishing such Update for the Betnomi users. I know Betnomi was really trusted by many users on the forum and outside the forum too. Definitely everyone has invested heavily in them. I couldn’t imagine the players who had thousands of dollars in their betnomi wallet. Imagine the poker players who are always active and has large amount of money in their wallet. They must be dying inside and couldn’t really tell anyone about it.
Trusdice you have made good choice and hopefully you will get more client with proper revenue for the goodness that you are doing.

[Docnaster]

Great one from TrustDice,
But forgive me if i sound a bit non enthusiastic with the bonus offer, with the wager requirement that accompany this bonus, i bet this is just you guys disguising a bonus to gain new customers to your casino and as well make some money off the betnomi victims, I understand you guys run a business and not a charity organization, and its up to you guys to do your stuff in a way you think is best for your business, but please don't mock the victims of the betnomy exit scam,
you could have still launched this bonus without using the betnomy victims as the primary focus/target, but if you really wanna help them, then do so without the wager requirement, since i believe you guys must already have a system in place through which you can verify that anybody applying for the bonus truly lost money on betnomy, with such system , there is no way the bonus can be abused, there is no need for the wager requirement, except like i said before, you guys just want to make money off the victims .

Anyways, this is just my opinion, fortunately, I am not a victim, but i am just stating what i think.

TrustDice doesn't have affiliate or partnership with Betnomi and neither is both companies owned by one entity.
Secondly, TrustDice is into business so they cannot offer an outright bonus without wagering. They are into business ofcourse.
Having to mention betnomi I think is for the users of this forum, trying  a way to conform them and while still promote their business.

Betnomi exit scam? Damn. I've been out of the loop and I am surprised to hear this news since I actually enjoyed my time there. These trash websites make it a lot harder for gamblers to trust newly launched legit gambling sites sadly.

Anyway, this whole initiative by Trustdice is admirable for sure despite them clearly having ulterior motives. Great stuff team!

I have been regular here and I have been seeing the posts about betnomi recently but I wasn't bothered beco don't play there. But it is such a pity that betnomi who got some trust in the forum will exit with scam.

[BitcoinGirl.Club]

Btw, I would like to thank Trustdice for holding this event for Betnomi victims, I really still can't believe that Betnomi ended like this, I really witnessed that Betnomi had a long experience with us in this forum, what a regrettable tragedy.

It was sad to see the bad end. I had a chat with icopress. It was about the Ledger devices. While I don't trust Ledger anymore, I don't trust Betnomi too now. Since these Ledger devices were coming through Betnomi who had a long plan to scam forum members, who knows they could alter the devices too. So if anyone have a ledger device from Betnomi, I would say use it cautiously.

Trusdice is just doing a cross marketing. Many people don't like it but it's understandable, in marketing a business needs to take every opportunity they have.

And indeed Ledger from the giveaway event that they sponsored on this forum by giving Ledger as a gift raises a question mark for all of us who know it, is there something that they've embedded into that wallet or anything that they can control remotely if the wallet is used, it is true that this incident has caused what has been given to reap doubt and distrust, this really needs to be looked at.

Embedded device programming is not that costly. Betnomi was making or already made so much money I guess that if they have any bad intention then they can easily hire a programmer and alter a device. I am not saying they did it but when you lose trust from a business and where Ledger already lost community support, two untrusted business makes it worse.

I remember in eBay there used to be fake Ledger and many people lost their coins after buying those Ledgers. If eBay sellers can alter a device then why can't Betnomi have such plan? Hopefully they did not had things in mind and executed it already.

[GxSTxV]

It's a great thing that you're taking the initiative to help those who were badly hurt by Betnomi and as another casinoyou showing that you are different and closely connected to the community's updates and happenings. But i find that, there are several issues with the bonuses you are offering now. First many fake people may attempt to claim the bonus (we all know how greedy gamblers are). Second verifying whether these gamblers truly got scammed and left a balance inside Betnomi is not possible.
Speaking from personal experience, I was an active gambler with Betnomi and during my last days with them I faced late withdrawal requests that took hours and sometimes days. thats why I decided to close my account with them then after that we all heard about this unfortunate exit. So all I’m saying is even me i could potentially ask for your bonus and lie easily to you.
Last of things, it’s better that you post in public the possible bonuses you are offering for this matter. Imo

[icopress]

Embedded device programming is not that costly. Betnomi was making or already made so much money I guess that if they have any bad intention then they can easily hire a programmer and alter a device. I am not saying they did it but when you lose trust from a business and where Ledger already lost community support, two untrusted business makes it worse.

I remember in eBay there used to be fake Ledger and many people lost their coins after buying those Ledgers. If eBay sellers can alter a device then why can't Betnomi have such plan? Hopefully they did not had things in mind and executed it already.

Here's what I managed to find (if we talk about hardware).

I have an idea... if we could find some trusted user who understands the hardware, I could ask MJ to send 1 Ledger for verification (up to parsing the device to check if the device has been modified). MJ has two more Ledgers that weren't claimed after the Bitcointalk Awards.

or

GazetaBitcoin also has several wallets that he won, so if he knows a little about the hardware, he also could open his own and see what's inside, and MJ will send him another one. Me need to ask him.

Based on the photos, security researcher and offensive USB cable/implant expert Mike Grover, aka _MG_, told BleepingComputer that the threat actors added a flash drive and wired it to the USB connector.

"This seems to be a simply flash drive strapped on to the Ledger with the purpose to be for some sort of malware delivery," Grover told BleepingComputer in a chat about the photos.

"All of the components are on the other side, so I can't confirm if it is JUST a storage device, but.... judging by the very novice soldering work, it's probably just an off the shelf mini flash drive removed from its casing."

In the image below, Grover highlighted the flash drive implant connected to the wires while stating. "Those 4 wires piggyback the same connections for the USB port of the Ledger."

[so98nn]

@icopress thank you for bringing our attention to this one. As normal user of hardware wallet I would never think about anything like this or couldn’t imagine that things can be manipulated to this extend. Now I am not sure if this is true or whether this works for the forgery but it’s insane world so anything can happen.

Another question after seeing above pic, I also saw that winner got actual ledger wallets. How is it possible that they tampered with the wallet and also the primary packaging ?

Isn’t user would have known that if they had done something.

[icopress]

@icopress thank you for bringing our attention to this one. As normal user of hardware wallet I would never think about anything like this or couldn’t imagine that things can be manipulated to this extend. Now I am not sure if this is true or whether this works for the forgery but it’s insane world so anything can happen.

Another question after seeing above pic, I also saw that winner got actual ledger wallets. How is it possible that they tampered with the wallet and also the primary packaging ?

Isn’t user would have known that if they had done something.

I already found a user who will triple check.

- Authentication during the connection process.
- Secure Element attestation.
- Disassemble the device for comparison with photos provided by the developer.

I think in a week or so he will publish his review.

[SamReomo]

@icopress thank you for bringing our attention to this one. As normal user of hardware wallet I would never think about anything like this or couldn’t imagine that things can be manipulated to this extend. Now I am not sure if this is true or whether this works for the forgery but it’s insane world so anything can happen.

Another question after seeing above pic, I also saw that winner got actual ledger wallets. How is it possible that they tampered with the wallet and also the primary packaging ?

Isn’t user would have known that if they had done something.

I already found a user who will triple check.

- Authentication during the connection process.
- Secure Element attestation.
- Disassemble the device for comparison with photos provided by the developer.

I think in a week or so he will publish his review.

I think that would be a great step for the safety of the users who are still using the ledger provided by Betnomi. Most of the users are already in shock after their scam exit and if the ledger also tends to be malicious one then many users will be impacted one again by such a fraud casino.

I think such review could bring the hopes of the ones who were affected by the casino's scan and who are still using the ledger for their coins, and with this review they will feel that they are still safe even if the parent company has done fraud with everyone.

I appreciate your support and efforts for the victims of the Betnomi scam because they have also done wrong with you. I never though that they will scam exist like this, but anything can happen in the world of crypto gambling.

[Casdinyard]

This issue has been marinating since early July when their site went down all of a sudden, apparently they have been communicative the whole time until quite recently when they've just gone full radio silent and dipped on their stakeholders, including those that handle their signature campaign here like icopress.

I did hear some issues related to Betnomi sometime back, but I expected them to get resolved as usual due to their reputation as you mentioned which is why I didn't think much about them until now.

It's sad to see so many victims losing their hard earned funds instantly exposing crypto in a negative light.

Welp. Everyone did. They were very great during the first few weeks of the issue and are really communicating about what they are doing and stuff (at least from what I remember), enough to make people blindsided over the fact that a simple site issue that an IT team could fix in a matter of hours is taking them more than a week to resolve. That could've been a signal from the stakeholders already but then again even I didn't suspect shit until this happened.

While this isn't necessarily the best form of closure to be had from this type of event I still hope it gives the betnomi users a chance to move on. It's hard especially if they have huge bags in there (which I heard some of them did) but we can't really do anything about it anymore can we?

[goaldigger]

@icopress thank you for bringing our attention to this one. As normal user of hardware wallet I would never think about anything like this or couldn’t imagine that things can be manipulated to this extend. Now I am not sure if this is true or whether this works for the forgery but it’s insane world so anything can happen.

Another question after seeing above pic, I also saw that winner got actual ledger wallets. How is it possible that they tampered with the wallet and also the primary packaging ?

Isn’t user would have known that if they had done something.

I already found a user who will triple check.

- Authentication during the connection process.
- Secure Element attestation.
- Disassemble the device for comparison with photos provided by the developer.

I think in a week or so he will publish his review.

This is alarming and not so sure if all the ledger have this one as well.
Will wait for the update on this like and hopefully, not all are compromised just like the incident before with some collectibles where the creator of it still have the access to the funds on the collectibles. Well, what happened to Betnomi is still a big problem to many, does anyone here able to claim some bonuses with the Trustdice?

[BitcoinGirl.Club]

Here's what I managed to find (if we talk about hardware).

I have an idea... if we could find some trusted user who understands the hardware, I could ask MJ to send 1 Ledger for verification (up to parsing the device to check if the device has been modified). MJ has two more Ledgers that weren't claimed after the Bitcointalk Awards.

or

GazetaBitcoin also has several wallets that he won, so if he knows a little about the hardware, he also could open his own and see what's inside, and MJ will send him another one. Me need to ask him.

Either of them sounds good as long as it can be tested. Whoever it will be, I hope he is an expert.

Another question after seeing above pic, I also saw that winner got actual ledger wallets. How is it possible that they tampered with the wallet and also the primary packaging ?

Isn’t user would have known that if they had done something.

That's what we are talking about here. Anyone can alter a device if they spend a decent amount of money or even know the tech themselves. As an end user it's hard to know for you what happened. You will see exactly the same packaging like you buy it from the parent company.

@icopress, I think we are completely off-topic here. It's better if someone creates a new thread regarding this concern. We can continue discussion there.

[darkangel11]

I have a question about the ledgers.
As far as I know, companies that get these engraved wallets don't do it themselves. Ledger does the engraving and sends the wallets to the company and you're supposed to order a minimum of 100 units with a logo. These come as new, uninitialized and engraved devices in original packaging. I have a ledger as well and it wouldn't be easy to open the packaging and the plastic case without making a single scratch on the surface and solder something inside. Then they'd have to clean it up from fingerprints and these cases get smeared easily, so you'd have to do everything in gloves. Doable, but we're talking about a 100 units here and if you scratched some of them, someone might notice it and sound the alarm.

Did any of you ledger winners notice anything suspicious on your devices? Were there scratches or fingerprints on the cases? Were the packages wrapped in plastic? Were there any initialized (asking for code after being powered) devices?

Anything is possible, but the way I see it, Betnomi ordered these as promotional devices and never attempted to do anything to them, even if they were planning to exit scam. These ledgers were a show of how serious about the business they were and how much money they were able to give back to the community.