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August 19, 2023, 08:02:19 AM
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~ Real estate isn't necessarily a safe investment. Firstly, you need a lot of money for that. Few people can afford investing half a million. Secondly, and there are many examples of that, an apartment you buy today for $250k can cost half of that in 5 years.

Business, again, requires a lot of money. And, as we all know, it's even harder to profit from it than from real estate. And if you are hard working, smart and lucky and thus managed to open a profitable business, in many places in the world it means only more problems and threat to your freedom and life.

What's left is cryptocurrencies, namely Bitcoin. There's a high probability that BTC will surpass its previous ATH, $69k, in a year or earlier. If I had spare money, I'd invested it in BTC. But only spare money, without which I could live the next 2-3 years. And, of course, it's not a financial advice.

In short, bitcoin is the best choice when comparing all 3 because we are on a bitcoin forum  Grin Grin.
And if evaluated fairly and frankly, all 3 are potential areas and can bring good profits for us, as long as we know how to make the best use of it. Many billionaires, many rich people out there they don't own bitcoin, they get rich through real estate, through business... so real estate and business are also very potential. But as you said, since they require a large amount of capital to get started, bitcoin is still the more perfect choice for retail investors like us.

Right. Bitcoin was around $100 ten years ago. And look where are we now. Were there a possibility of buying a real estate back then that would rise 260x in price? And what about business? Can we name someone investing $10k in their business 10 years ago and having it worth $2.5 million today? Well, I'm sure there are such cases, but we all know how rare they are.

So, maybe investing in crypto is a bit like gambling, but what isn't? Only with crypto, especially with BTC, it's not like totally luck-based, right? It's more like sports betting, imo.

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August 19, 2023, 08:20:19 AM
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Let's imagine that you have half a million US-Dollar/Euro/GBP and want to feel financially safe and build a better future.
1. Real estate
2. Cryptocurrencies are very volatile but rewarding.
3. Business -

Which one would you choose from these and why?

My strategy will be a diversified investment so I will eliminate business from my choice because it takes years to get returns from business unless it is something innovative and satisfy the needs of people in the current situation.

So now I can choose the real estate with 200K as down payment and get mortgage for the remaining value of the property and I still prefer the rental property and decent location so the rent will exceed the mortgage payment so in the next 10 or 15 years I can own a property worth 2 Million with only 200K as capital.

Now I have 300K remaining to invest which may be split into 50/50 and invest in BTC and Gold for the long term.


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August 19, 2023, 11:00:50 AM
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My strategy will be a diversified investment so I will eliminate business from my choice because it takes years to get returns from business unless it is something innovative and satisfy the needs of people in the current situation.

So now I can choose the real estate with 200K as down payment and get mortgage for the remaining value of the property and I still prefer the rental property and decent location so the rent will exceed the mortgage payment so in the next 10 or 15 years I can own a property worth 2 Million with only 200K as capital.

Now I have 300K remaining to invest which may be split into 50/50 and invest in BTC and Gold for the long term.
Agree with you, it is very risky to do business now when most countries are experiencing inflation. I'll also be securing the money in assets for now, and maybe doing a little experimenting on real estate if the opportunity and location are strategic. I think besides being safe, nowadays the opportunity to earn less is guaranteed from building a business from scratch.

In the future, if conditions are stable and financially supportive, there's nothing wrong with trying to build a business because it's a challenge worth trying.

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August 19, 2023, 11:51:35 AM
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Let's imagine that you have half a million US-Dollar/Euro/GBP and want to feel financially safe and build a better future.
1. Real estate
2. Cryptocurrencies
3. Business .

Which one would you choose from these and why?

Each of the investment opportunities you listed above have their strength and their weaknesses so it'll be difficult to depend on only one. Real estate is a secure way of investing as house that you buy to rent or resell can always be sold on the market and you don't have to look for buyers yourself as real estate can sell itself and make you your money back. Business are long term investment as they will not only give you one time profits but forever income provided the business is running.

Cryptocurency is the quickest way to making money legitimately currently but it also has the disadvantage of having so many scam projects that you can get scammed easily investing in cryptocurency. If I had half a million I'll divide the money and invest in the three.

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August 19, 2023, 11:58:54 AM
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Let's imagine that you have half a million US-Dollar/Euro/GBP and want to feel financially safe and build a better future.
1. Real estate
2. Cryptocurrencies
3. Business .

Which one would you choose from these and why?

Each of the investment opportunities you listed above have their strength and their weaknesses so it'll be difficult to depend on only one. Real estate is a secure way of investing as house that you buy to rent or resell can always be sold on the market and you don't have to look for buyers yourself as real estate can sell itself and make you your money back. Business are long term investment as they will not only give you one time profits but forever income provided the business is running.

Cryptocurency is the quickest way to making money legitimately currently but it also has the disadvantage of having so many scam projects that you can get scammed easily investing in cryptocurency. If I had half a million I'll divide the money and invest in the three.

Of course, if you wanted passive income, then go for real state. You just have to shell out huge money in the beginning, fix the property and have it rented and you will be set for years.

For crypto, there are a lot of ups and downs, bear and bull market, and you need to be mentally though and continue to buy and hold and wait for the next bull run to sell.

For Business, hard work of course, you have all the time in the world but you have to focus on it and how to bring more money into your business.

In short, there are a lot of challenges to be filthy rich.  Grin

 
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Agree with you, it is very risky to do business now when most countries are experiencing inflation. I'll also be securing the money in assets for now, and maybe doing a little experimenting on real estate if the opportunity and location are strategic. I think besides being safe, nowadays the opportunity to earn less is guaranteed from building a business from scratch.

In the future, if conditions are stable and financially supportive, there's nothing wrong with trying to build a business because it's a challenge worth trying.

Not only business life entire is a risk and sometimes the risk is worth taking because one has to learn to take risks, to be successful, and only a few businesses are surviving this period this inflation is hitting the economy hard, and capital is another thing to consider money don't even have value anymore, so you still need enough money to start any kind of business, starting business now is just another risky thing to go into but has humans we must take risk.

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August 19, 2023, 12:16:53 PM
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My strategy will be a diversified investment so I will eliminate business from my choice because it takes years to get returns from business unless it is something innovative and satisfy the needs of people in the current situation.

So now I can choose the real estate with 200K as down payment and get mortgage for the remaining value of the property and I still prefer the rental property and decent location so the rent will exceed the mortgage payment so in the next 10 or 15 years I can own a property worth 2 Million with only 200K as capital.

Now I have 300K remaining to invest which may be split into 50/50 and invest in BTC and Gold for the long term.
Agree with you, it is very risky to do business now when most countries are experiencing inflation. I'll also be securing the money in assets for now, and maybe doing a little experimenting on real estate if the opportunity and location are strategic. I think besides being safe, nowadays the opportunity to earn less is guaranteed from building a business from scratch.

In the future, if conditions are stable and financially supportive, there's nothing wrong with trying to build a business because it's a challenge worth trying.
There is nothing wrong with starting a new business but it's not a fit for everyone especially who just entered that field. For someone to succeed in a business they need tons of knowledge and experience which eventually takes time that is why any business that passed more than one generation has the highest survival rate than a completely new one.

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August 19, 2023, 05:24:37 PM
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Any investment contains risks, and if you say that you don’t know how long bitcoin will exist, then I can say the same about business, no one can guarantee a stable profit for a business. It is possible that real estate will stand out from this list in terms of stability, but this also requires certain conditions and it also needs to be mentioned that real estate will bring relatively less profit in relation to the money invested.

But no one bothers to divide the available capital and invest it in different directions, invest most of it in what you understand better, and invest smaller shares in more risky areas.

It will depends on the person interest because interest plays an important role in the percentage of success therefore if even you put money in bitcoin as recently it is a top priority in earning field but don't take any interest to check the market situation then your selection is useless.

I think acceptance of little profit is better then dropping your money is the risky field therefore accept the little but regular earning and avoid larger but risky profit.

I will always prefer that field which is easy to understand and which does not contains any complications because complications are the reason that most of the people loss their money, experience in any field also suited well to continue your earning.









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August 19, 2023, 06:11:03 PM
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Which one would you choose from these and why?
Half a million US dollars for me is a very large amount, well if I wish I had that much money then I would choose to build a business first.
Because I like sports, I have always had the goal of building a place for the center of various sports fields such as futsal, badminton, billiards and swimming pools and others for rent as well as selling all sports needs or accessories in there.
Why do I want to run this business because in my opinion besides running a business I can also influence or get people to actively exercise every day so I think it's a business that has good reciprocity and is mutually beneficial.
Then because my place is an industrial center or we could say there are many large factories with thousands of employees, I will continue to build several houses to rent out to the factory workers. Once I build a business and get income from renting the house then I will be calm enough to put my money in stocks and crypto.

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August 19, 2023, 06:47:50 PM
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Well in my country half a million dollars is a very huge amount of money to start both Real Estate, Cryptocurrencies and other businesses, if hundred dollars go for bitcoin investments and other hundred dollars go for business then two hundred and fifty dollars go for Real Estate so these idea can bring a better profits by the end of the month or even year, moreover starting a business doesn't guarantee you well all the times because there are bad days and good day.

My strategy will be a diversified investment so I will eliminate business from my choice because it takes years to get returns from business unless it is something innovative and satisfy the needs of people in the current situation.

So now I can choose the real estate with 200K as down payment and get mortgage for the remaining value of the property and I still prefer the rental property and decent location so the rent will exceed the mortgage payment so in the next 10 or 15 years I can own a property worth 2 Million with only 200K as capital.

Now I have 300K remaining to invest which may be split into 50/50 and invest in BTC and Gold for the long term.
Agree with you, it is very risky to do business now when most countries are experiencing inflation. I'll also be securing the money in assets for now, and maybe doing a little experimenting on real estate if the opportunity and location are strategic. I think besides being safe, nowadays the opportunity to earn less is guaranteed from building a business from scratch.

In the future, if conditions are stable and financially supportive, there's nothing wrong with trying to build a business because it's a challenge worth trying.
Like in my country now we are in a situation wereby things are getting cost because of fuel and other things so starting a business at the first time can be risky but that doesn't stop a person who is determined to bring in a good product to the market.

 
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August 19, 2023, 08:03:11 PM
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Whatever you say, you should not deny the potential and importance of real estate, it is the need of everyone, so investing in real estate is very good. But the hurdle of real estate is that it takes a lot of capital to get started, so investing in real estate isn't for all of us. It would be dishonest to say that we don't like real estate and only like Bitcoin because we don't have too much money to invest in real estate. I invest in Bitcoin not because I don't like real estate but because I don't have a lot of money to invest in it.
The real estate business is one of the most rewarding investments/businesses known out there,  but Capital is one big challenge we got with investing in real estate, and because of that Bitcoin seems to be competing with real estate and Gold or even having the upper hand lately because anyone can easily invest and own a fraction of Bitcoin without having to be a rich man to buy Bitcoin.
I feel like the difference between capital and so forth is a big one, but people mistake how much capital you may need. Even with just a few thousand dollars, you can start doing some real estate investment, you may wonder how you could do that, but the reality is that if you buy some plot of land out of nowhere, for just a mere few thousand dollars.

And then you end up cleaning it out, and I mean like buy something that is terrible, rocky, dirty, terrible place, and just go there and clean it yourself, hard work, get dirty. Then you could flip it for a lot more, and I mean like at least x10 more. A friend of mine bought a plot of land for 6 thousand dollars, not a ton, and he spent 6 months going there every single day and cleaning the garbage and dirt, and made it a green plot that looked amazing, sold it for 51k.

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August 19, 2023, 10:34:03 PM
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There is nothing wrong with starting a new business but it's not a fit for everyone especially who just entered that field. For someone to succeed in a business they need tons of knowledge and experience which eventually takes time that is why any business that passed more than one generation has the highest survival rate than a completely new one.
Everyone who starts a new business already has the knowledge for business design to be developed, they have consulted with experienced people in the business field for proper business management and important points must be able to handle the impact of risk so that financial management can be maintained in conditions of inflation or other impacts whatever. Building a new business takes a long time, but if you consistently try without giving up, you will get business success faster than expected.
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August 19, 2023, 10:44:09 PM
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Whatever you say, you should not deny the potential and importance of real estate, it is the need of everyone, so investing in real estate is very good. But the hurdle of real estate is that it takes a lot of capital to get started, so investing in real estate isn't for all of us. It would be dishonest to say that we don't like real estate and only like Bitcoin because we don't have too much money to invest in real estate. I invest in Bitcoin not because I don't like real estate but because I don't have a lot of money to invest in it.
The real estate business is one of the most rewarding investments/businesses known out there,  but Capital is one big challenge we got with investing in real estate, and because of that Bitcoin seems to be competing with real estate and Gold or even having the upper hand lately because anyone can easily invest and own a fraction of Bitcoin without having to be a rich man to buy Bitcoin.
I feel like the difference between capital and so forth is a big one, but people mistake how much capital you may need. Even with just a few thousand dollars, you can start doing some real estate investment, you may wonder how you could do that, but the reality is that if you buy some plot of land out of nowhere, for just a mere few thousand dollars.

And then you end up cleaning it out, and I mean like buy something that is terrible, rocky, dirty, terrible place, and just go there and clean it yourself, hard work, get dirty. Then you could flip it for a lot more, and I mean like at least x10 more. A friend of mine bought a plot of land for 6 thousand dollars, not a ton, and he spent 6 months going there every single day and cleaning the garbage and dirt, and made it a green plot that looked amazing, sold it for 51k.
Thats simply flipping which is really that standard to hear of but actually its not something that you could really be able to done since this one talks about capital and not all would really be having the capital on buying up some plot which they could eventually be able to resell or flip it out. Its true that it wont really be necessary on having hundreds of thousands for you to start out and if you are just that wise then you would really be having tons of ideas and plans on the time that you do have that sufficient capital of $500k which it is really that too much.Well, having more the better but not all do
able to go with the right path and instead on minding on creating a business, they would rather be spending lavishly with those liabilities which i would say that it would really be that a suicide
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I think all three mentioned here have their advantages and disadvantages,  take for example cryptocurrencies...crypto is a high risk high reward asset as its been for years,  but unfortunately of late ROI is too low and takes time for one to yield a decent profit if strategy is based on hodling, which very few of us have the patience for  Roll Eyes

As of the other two (Real estate or Business),  let's just say Real estate here would win of we are talking in the lines of stable income if it were a rental property,  but unfortunately this one takes a long time to recoup your invested capital unless you built in a prime location where rentals are super high.

And for the last proposal which is a Business,  this one is seasonal as far as I know and the scary part of running a business is that you are exposed to so many taxes which can be very frustrating  and running a business comes with other challenges like competition,  spoilage,  theft, government policies,  obsolete etc

With the above reasons given, I think Real estate will win this race for one's peace, better mental health and ultimately  happy life.


 
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I think all three mentioned here have their advantages and disadvantages,  take for example cryptocurrencies...crypto is a high risk high reward asset as its been for years,  but unfortunately of late ROI is too low and takes time for one to yield a decent profit if strategy is based on hodling, which very few of us have the patience for  Roll Eyes

As of the other two (Real estate or Business),  let's just say Real estate here would win of we are talking in the lines of stable income if it were a rental property,  but unfortunately this one takes a long time to recoup your invested capital unless you built in a prime location where rentals are super high.

And for the last proposal which is a Business,  this one is seasonal as far as I know and the scary part of running a business is that you are exposed to so many taxes which can be very frustrating  and running a business comes with other challenges like competition,  spoilage,  theft, government policies,  obsolete etc

With the above reasons given, I think Real estate will win this race for one's peace, better mental health and ultimately  happy life.



Real estate of course is better, that is true. However, you forgot about the high capital needed for real estate investment. Most of the time, if you intend to have a good start in this type of investment you will have to have a high capital. Moreover, the land's location is very important as this is one of the most vital factors that investors or buyers look into before buying a property. Hence, I wouldn't say it is less stressful than the other two, unless of course you hire real estate agents to do the work for you.

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August 20, 2023, 08:06:56 AM
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I think all three mentioned here have their advantages and disadvantages,  take for example cryptocurrencies...crypto is a high risk high reward asset as its been for years,  but unfortunately of late ROI is too low and takes time for one to yield a decent profit if strategy is based on hodling, which very few of us have the patience for  Roll Eyes

As of the other two (Real estate or Business),  let's just say Real estate here would win of we are talking in the lines of stable income if it were a rental property,  but unfortunately this one takes a long time to recoup your invested capital unless you built in a prime location where rentals are super high.

And for the last proposal which is a Business,  this one is seasonal as far as I know and the scary part of running a business is that you are exposed to so many taxes which can be very frustrating  and running a business comes with other challenges like competition,  spoilage,  theft, government policies,  obsolete etc

With the above reasons given, I think Real estate will win this race for one's peace, better mental health and ultimately  happy life.



Real estate of course is better, that is true. However, you forgot about the high capital needed for real estate investment. Most of the time, if you intend to have a good start in this type of investment you will have to have a high capital. Moreover, the land's location is very important as this is one of the most vital factors that investors or buyers look into before buying a property. Hence, I wouldn't say it is less stressful than the other two, unless of course you hire real estate agents to do the work for you.

Right, it can be said that real estate is better than the other two areas in terms of safety. But it also depends on each person's circumstances to say what is the best asset for us. How do we say real estate is best when we cannot invest in it? It does not bring or create any benefits for us, so it cannot be said to be the best. Whereas bitcoin is considered a risky asset, but it gives us the opportunity to get rich with whatever capital we have. So for us, bitcoin is the best and most suitable.

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August 20, 2023, 01:33:28 PM
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Whatever you say, you should not deny the potential and importance of real estate, it is the need of everyone, so investing in real estate is very good. But the hurdle of real estate is that it takes a lot of capital to get started, so investing in real estate isn't for all of us. It would be dishonest to say that we don't like real estate and only like Bitcoin because we don't have too much money to invest in real estate. I invest in Bitcoin not because I don't like real estate but because I don't have a lot of money to invest in it.
The real estate business is one of the most rewarding investments/businesses known out there,  but Capital is one big challenge we got with investing in real estate, and because of that Bitcoin seems to be competing with real estate and Gold or even having the upper hand lately because anyone can easily invest and own a fraction of Bitcoin without having to be a rich man to buy Bitcoin.
I feel like the difference between capital and so forth is a big one, but people mistake how much capital you may need. Even with just a few thousand dollars, you can start doing some real estate investment, you may wonder how you could do that, but the reality is that if you buy some plot of land out of nowhere, for just a mere few thousand dollars.

And then you end up cleaning it out, and I mean like buy something that is terrible, rocky, dirty, terrible place, and just go there and clean it yourself, hard work, get dirty. Then you could flip it for a lot more, and I mean like at least x10 more. A friend of mine bought a plot of land for 6 thousand dollars, not a ton, and he spent 6 months going there every single day and cleaning the garbage and dirt, and made it a green plot that looked amazing, sold it for 51k.

Real estate business is not as easy as you think, if it is so easy, why do people flock to prime locations while remote locations seem unpopular?
Your friend may be a visionary or it's just a fluke. In my area, there are some lucky people like that, they buy cheap and suddenly resell at high price, but it doesn't often happen that way. And it can be said that it is luck rather than a strategic investment.
Investing in cheap real estate positions is no different from investing in altcoins, which are high risk but high return.

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August 20, 2023, 03:01:20 PM
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I think all three mentioned here have their advantages and disadvantages,  take for example cryptocurrencies...crypto is a high risk high reward asset as its been for years,  but unfortunately of late ROI is too low and takes time for one to yield a decent profit if strategy is based on hodling, which very few of us have the patience for  Roll Eyes

As of the other two (Real estate or Business),  let's just say Real estate here would win of we are talking in the lines of stable income if it were a rental property,  but unfortunately this one takes a long time to recoup your invested capital unless you built in a prime location where rentals are super high.

And for the last proposal which is a Business,  this one is seasonal as far as I know and the scary part of running a business is that you are exposed to so many taxes which can be very frustrating  and running a business comes with other challenges like competition,  spoilage,  theft, government policies,  obsolete etc

With the above reasons given, I think Real estate will win this race for one's peace, better mental health and ultimately  happy life.



Real estate of course is better, that is true. However, you forgot about the high capital needed for real estate investment. Most of the time, if you intend to have a good start in this type of investment you will have to have a high capital. Moreover, the land's location is very important as this is one of the most vital factors that investors or buyers look into before buying a property. Hence, I wouldn't say it is less stressful than the other two, unless of course you hire real estate agents to do the work for you.

Right, it can be said that real estate is better than the other two areas in terms of safety. But it also depends on each person's circumstances to say what is the best asset for us. How do we say real estate is best when we cannot invest in it? It does not bring or create any benefits for us, so it cannot be said to be the best. Whereas bitcoin is considered a risky asset, but it gives us the opportunity to get rich with whatever capital we have. So for us, bitcoin is the best and most suitable.

If you see from your perspective it is true that real estate has the opportunity to get a victory with stable income, but yes the main complaint is to get a strategic place we need a large capital to get a place, with a road access line to make it easier, as well as maintenance costs that needs to be released.
If we look at the big profit but it does not last long is cryptocurrency, because after all we only rely on price increases in coins so that is what makes this interesting, but we must have a long patience because the average crypto pivot in the cycle for get the benefits.

The business is indeed seasonal but this depends on your use of the season wisely to get new opportunities, a businessman must be dynamic to the ecnomy cycle and see the flow of money on economic potential, which makes it able to get profit, but this is helpful for what business is running , the reason is if we do business services or main products, of course there will always be a request that is not extinguished, such as groceries or internet network providers. In the business it depends on you set your business and take advantage of opportunities, surely you will get more profits than what Crypto and Real Estate can provide, both from fasive profits or capital returns, but it needs to be understood that in the business world it is most difficult.

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August 20, 2023, 05:54:33 PM
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I'll go for cryptocurrency.

Cryptocurrency is a high risk high reward in the long run. I'm talking about buying Bitcoin in a very low price and wait until I can sell it in a high price where I would have a very nice profit so the waiting game wouldn't go to waste. Business is also a good one but for me it's tiring because of trial and error process, for you to know what products or services would easily hype in your target people.

So yes, I'd rather choose buying and hodling Bitcoin for a long term process.
It is always obvious that if you are not careful with what you are doing, then you are going to end up losing money and that is why you should be aware how the system works in this in order to make a profit. I know crypto as well, and I can make profit with it if I have the money for it, I know when to buy and when to sell, and that is why I think investing into crypto is an easier option.

Obviously a business person who is great at business should pick business, and a real estate person or a construction person should pick that. It all depends on your expertise and out of these three I am more knowledgeable about crypto than the other two, if you know any other one better then pick that one to go ahead with for your future.

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August 20, 2023, 06:26:18 PM
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Real estate of course is better, that is true. However, you forgot about the high capital needed for real estate investment. Most of the time, if you intend to have a good start in this type of investment you will have to have a high capital.
Valid points brought forward...and a slight oversight on my part!

But I want to believe this question was phrased in such a way that it was asked to someone with the resources that was stack trying to make a decision on this...otherwise  if capital is to be factored in then this becomes an expensive investment and I believe I did mention it too Smiley

Moreover, the land's location is very important as this is one of the most vital factors that investors or buyers look into before buying a property. Hence, I wouldn't say it is less stressful than the other two, unless of course you hire real estate agents to do the work for you.
Good land locations translate in high cost of investment  which is the ugly side about real estate...

 
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