Looking for a public Addy for a 2013 BF lealana 1ltc #6586. SMOOTHIE?

[LoyceMobile]

Yes it's a buyer funded coin. That was never funded. So it is near impossible to find it now. I have tried looking. That's why I'm here posting. It's the last shot I have.

I missed the BF part, that makes it impossible indeed. And even if someone tells you an address, you'll need to trust them on it.

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[Suzuki Matt]

Seeing those King K coins auction with the coin not having the Coa or addys was a shame. How could you let your most prized coins become useless? That just tells me it doesn't matter, as long as people keep buying it never will. But it's a shame so many coins are just useless now. I know they still have some value but I didn't bid when the auction was reset and I'm sure many others didn't as well. It's a damn shame.

Then to just ignore old customers/collectors and sell your new coins? How is everyone just OK with that? That's not cool.

[Suzuki Matt]

Yes it's a buyer funded coin. That was never funded. So it is near impossible to find it now. I have tried looking. That's why I'm here posting. It's the last shot I have.

I missed the BF part, that makes it impossible indeed. And even if someone tells you an address, you'll need to trust them on it.

Yeah that's a valid point. Would be hard to match the first bits but I'm sure it could be done.

Edit. But honestly it's 1ltc. So would it be worth it? I would take that risk right now to have my coin funded.

[stackinsats777]

I’m playing devils advocate here… you bought a buyer funded coin without the full public address with either 1) not doing the research to know that smoothie doesn’t give out such information or 2) knowing full well that was the case but expected a different result.

Not saying one person or the other is right. But I don’t hold smoothie at fault if this has been his policy for the entire time he has produced coins. I’m not an OG in the space so I’m not sure if it’s been a consistent practice he’s had or not, but if so then I’d say it’s your own fault for either of the two reasons above. If that hasn’t always been his practice, then I can definitely see the frustration.

Just my two sats as I’ve seen a few threads like this

[Spokanistan51]

To me, it's a customer service issue. He will gladly sell new coins, but not help customers that possibly need the public address only that bought/traded/obtained a coin on the secondary market. Ravenbit, CI are a few examples of makers that offer this or the information is obtainable. I know opinions differ on this, but I will not be purchasing any of the newer Lealana releases by means of the Golden Rule. To each their own though.

[LoyceMobile]

Edit. But honestly it's 1ltc. So would it be worth it? I would take that risk right now to have my coin funded.

Vanitygen can easily do it. You can even do it yourself: match the first bits, but know the private key in the coin produces a different address so you'll need to keep the private key.

[hackbert]

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5468206.0

can anyone help with lot 3 an 4?

[rsincognito]

My opinion is every coin should be loaded with an amount by the creator with some amount around 0.00001 btc that way the Firstbits will almost always pull up the full public address,  problem solved.

[Eclipse33]

"Smoothie, where is my full public address."

[Suzuki Matt]

My opinion is every coin should be loaded with an amount by the creator with some amount around 0.00001 btc that way the Firstbits will almost always pull up the full public address,  problem solved.

Yeah that's a good idea. But some have been investigated for money transmission. This is why smoothie doesn't sell funded items anymore. He has the buyer fund the items. But I totally agree.  If everything got a tiny amount just to add to blockchain. This would never happen. But also why a master public address list is also useful. Because so many coins never get funded.

I would just love to see a master list for the coins. My guess they're all on a thumb drive somewhere. It is just a inconvenience to do. But when talking about a decade of work and you just let the coins become paper weights? When you could probably make the list in a hours time. Idk the situation but I bet if I hit up almost any other current coin creator. They could produce a list. Since this situation, it seems this is a constant recurring problem. It sucks.

Why isn't smoothie held to the same standards as other makers?   I did notice he didn't sell out his new coins yet. Seems to be a sign of sorts.

[MoparMiningLLC]

My opinion is every coin should be loaded with an amount by the creator with some amount around 0.00001 btc that way the Firstbits will almost always pull up the full public address,  problem solved.

Yeah that's a good idea. But some have been investigated for money transmission. This is why smoothie doesn't sell funded items anymore. He has the buyer fund the items. But I totally agree.  If everything got a tiny amount just to add to blockchain. This would never happen. But also why a master public address list is also useful. Because so many coins never get funded.

I would just love to see a master list for the coins. My guess they're all on a thumb drive somewhere. It is just a inconvenience to do. But when talking about a decade of work and you just let the coins become paper weights? When you could probably make the list in a hours time. Idk the situation but I bet if I hit up almost any other current coin creator. They could produce a list. Since this situation, it seems this is a constant recurring problem. It sucks.

Why isn't smoothie held to the same standards as other makers?   I did notice he didn't sell out his new coins yet. Seems to be a sign of sorts.

as far as I know - he never sold funded items. People always funded the coins themselves - directly to the coins address.


My understanding is this:

Smoothie builds all the coins - for "FUNDED" you pay the funding to the coin directly (not to smoothie) before it ships.  for "BUYER FUNDED" you pay the funding to the coin directly (not to smoothie) after you receive it.

Thus the only difference between "FUNDED" and "BUYER FUNDED" for Lealana coins is when is the coin funded - before or after you have it.

As for not selling out all the new coins - these issues with addresses could be part of it and the price could be the other part.

it was near $400 for a 1 oz silver coin not including funding. That is over 20 times spot price of silver - now, yes there is the name Lealana - well known and typically well liked and sought after. And there is numismatic value - true.
But it seems like all these new makers and even the old makers - the past 3-4 years are trying to charge what you would normally see for prices on items after several flips/resales. Like they are trying to get the first half dozen flip profits right out of the gate.

Completely their choice but that will also drive away a lot of business. 

[minerjones]

My opinion is every coin should be loaded with an amount by the creator with some amount around 0.00001 btc that way the Firstbits will almost always pull up the full public address,  problem solved.

I may be mistaken, but I think Mike did that with some of the Casascius bearer bars

[Suzuki Matt]

My opinion is every coin should be loaded with an amount by the creator with some amount around 0.00001 btc that way the Firstbits will almost always pull up the full public address,  problem solved.

I may be mistaken, but I think Mike did that with some of the Casascius bearer bars

Yeah but Mike released the public addys too. 👀

[Suzuki Matt]

To me, it's a customer service issue. He will gladly sell new coins, but not help customers that possibly need the public address only that bought/traded/obtained a coin on the secondary market. Ravenbit, CI are a few examples of makers that offer this or the information is obtainable. I know opinions differ on this, but I will not be purchasing any of the newer Lealana releases by means of the Golden Rule. To each their own though.

I agree with this 100%.  A coin maker who is still active selling coins that let's his coins become paper weights says something when other makers release the public address lists. Then I have other collectors say they use to get addys from him a few years back for a few bits. But now he won't respond on ly ignore and let the coins become useless. How people get the coins is besides the point. In this case it didn't come with it so I was trying to see if I could obtain it. But as I ask around, I hear more and more people say the same thing.That smoothie has just abandoned his old coins and customers and that this is a very common issue among this community with lealana coins.  But is still here selling coins. So I figured someone has to say something. Because alot of people are just licking boots. So I figured I would speak up. It's not cool. I'm sure people will have their opinions but I'm just speaking my mind and it's not right he would treat the collectors and his coins like this. It's sad really. I'm not being hostile but just calling it like I see it. I'm saying what alot of people are thinking.  Trust me this isn't just about my coin. Because at this point I really don't even care about it anymore.

[owlcatz]

I agree with this 100%.  A coin maker who is still active selling coins that let's his coins become paper weights says something when other makers release the public address lists. Then I have other collectors say they use to get addys from him a few years back for a few bits. But now he won't respond on ly ignore and let the coins become useless. How people get the coins is besides the point. In this case it didn't come with it so I was trying to see if I could obtain it. But as I ask around, I hear more and more people say the same thing.That smoothie has just abandoned his old coins and customers and that this is a very common issue among this community with lealana coins.  But is still here selling coins. So I figured someone has to say something. Because alot of people are just licking boots. So I figured I would speak up. It's not cool. I'm sure people will have their opinions but I'm just speaking my mind and it's not right he would treat the collectors and his coins like this. It's sad really. I'm not being hostile but just calling it like I see it. I'm saying what alot of people are thinking.  Trust me this isn't just about my coin. Because at this point I really don't even care about it anymore.

Ok, so I'm not here to piss on anything or anyone, just try and shed some light on forum history here:

I understand this frustration, but you have to remember that smoothie has always stated he will never give the addresses out except to original buyers.

This is the privacy-centricness in him, which may have/probably led to (?) the Monero coins early in XMR history, as that is where I first actually interacted with him, the XMR development thread back when XMR first spun-up etc.

Also, have you ever read his websites TOS/TAC? (Warning SSL expired, or was never put in place, this site is very old: http://lealana.com/tac.php )

So yeah. I've been here almost ten years, and this was always a well known "thing" in his early auctions I was lucky enough to even watch lol.

Sorry, I know that's a shitty reply, but it is what it is. You can't make someone do something when they have zero legal obligation to do so, nor personal.

As far as the BF vs. Non-BF thing, I'm not going there right now, most people know my opinion on that as well.

Thanks,
Owl

[Suzuki Matt]

I agree with this 100%.  A coin maker who is still active selling coins that let's his coins become paper weights says something when other makers release the public address lists. Then I have other collectors say they use to get addys from him a few years back for a few bits. But now he won't respond on ly ignore and let the coins become useless. How people get the coins is besides the point. In this case it didn't come with it so I was trying to see if I could obtain it. But as I ask around, I hear more and more people say the same thing.That smoothie has just abandoned his old coins and customers and that this is a very common issue among this community with lealana coins.  But is still here selling coins. So I figured someone has to say something. Because alot of people are just licking boots. So I figured I would speak up. It's not cool. I'm sure people will have their opinions but I'm just speaking my mind and it's not right he would treat the collectors and his coins like this. It's sad really. I'm not being hostile but just calling it like I see it. I'm saying what alot of people are thinking.  Trust me this isn't just about my coin. Because at this point I really don't even care about it anymore.

Ok, so I'm not here to piss on anything or anyone, just try and shed some light on forum history here:

I understand this frustration, but you have to remember that smoothie has always stated he will never give the addresses out except to original buyers.

This is the privacy-centricness in him, which may have/probably led to (?) the Monero coins early in XMR history, as that is where I first actually interacted with him, the XMR development thread back when XMR first spun-up etc.

Also, have you ever read his websites TOS/TAC? (Warning SSL expired, or was never put in place, this site is very old: http://lealana.com/tac.php )

So yeah. I've been here almost ten years, and this was always a well known "thing" in his early auctions I was lucky enough to even watch lol.

Sorry, I know that's a shitty reply, but it is what it is. You can't make someone do something when they have zero legal obligation to do so, nor personal.

As far as the BF vs. Non-BF thing, I'm not going there right now, most people know my opinion on that as well.

Thanks,
Owl

It shows character when the person let's his most prized coins die rather than to dig up the public addys. I for one will never buy lealana again. It shows me who he is to abandon the community and let these prized pieces become useless. I don't want anything to do with someone like that. I don't know why this has just been accepted when others make sure to make it public. It should be standard practice to put the addresses on a master list on the forum like so many others have. This is only one argument. There are several others as well.

[owlcatz]

It shows character when the person let's his most prized coins die rather than to dig up the public addys. I for one will never buy lealana again. It shows me who he is to abandon the community and let these prized pieces become useless. I don't want anything to do with someone like that. I don't know why this has just been accepted when others make sure to make it public. It should be standard practice to put the addresses on a master list on the forum like so many others have. This is only one argument. There are several others as well.

Here's the thing tho. There was no real "Community" back then. You also have to consider the volume of coins he has sold as well without any apparent major issues. His record is incredibly spotless except for one mess-up on the King kaheman coins to the best of my knowledge.

Did he even keep the old BF coin lists? Would I have back then if I were him? Probably not... Why? I already told the buyer they would never be given out. It's about obligations as well here.

What's worse, betraying your old customers or giving in to the "Community"?  In his current state, you already know which as do I ...

He has a standard. That's it. I know it sucks, but it is what it is. As I said, he has no legal liability to do anything, and he's still making coins, so there is that, and I'm sorry that bothers you too, but hey, this is 'Murica, and people can do business the way they please. Not being a c*nt here, just stating the obv...

Cheers,
Owl

[Suzuki Matt]

It shows character when the person let's his most prized coins die rather than to dig up the public addys. I for one will never buy lealana again. It shows me who he is to abandon the community and let these prized pieces become useless. I don't want anything to do with someone like that. I don't know why this has just been accepted when others make sure to make it public. It should be standard practice to put the addresses on a master list on the forum like so many others have. This is only one argument. There are several others as well.

Here's the thing tho. There was no real "Community" back then. You also have to consider the volume of coins he has sold as well without any apparent major issues. His record is incredibly spotless except for one mess-up on the King kaheman coins to the best of my knowledge.

Did he even keep the old BF coin lists? Would I have back then if I were him? Probably not... Why? I already told the buyer they would never be given out. It's about obligations as well here.

What's worse, betraying your old customers or giving in to the "Community"?  In his current state, you already know which as do I ...

He has a standard. That's it. I know it sucks, but it is what it is. As I said, he has no legal liability to do anything, and he's still making coins, so there is that, and I'm sorry that bothers you too, but hey, this is 'Murica, and people can do business the way they please. Not being a c*nt here, just stating the obv...

Cheers,
Owl

Yeah no legal liability. But what about the people and the coins. That shows character. Like the public address is in some way able to access the funds? It makes no sense for him to do this. That's what I'm saying. Not to mention the red coas that popped up and gold plated coins no one saw. But ended up on a secondary seller market? 🤔 I'm saying it's shady. So i am calling it out. Because for some reason no one is. Which is weird because most ppl here are quick to call out shadiness or something that is off. Instead people just kiss his ass. It's crazy to me. I don't usually start drama and this is really the first time I have really spoke my mind on something like this. But I couldn't bite my tounge no more. I felt I had to say something about it.

Then what's up with the errors? Can he not get it right? Every coin since 2016 has had issues. But yet he looked at like one of the top physical creators? I don't understand.

[owlcatz]

Yeah no legal liability. But what about the people and the coins. That shows character. Like the public address is in some way able to access the funds? It makes no sense for him to do this. That's what I'm saying. Not to mention the red coas that popped up and gold plated coins no one saw. But ended up on a secondary seller market? 🤔 I'm saying it's shady. So i am calling it out. Because for some reason no one is. Which is weird because most ppl here are quick to call out shadiness or something that is off. Instead people just kiss his ass. It's crazy to me. I don't usually start drama and this is really the first time I have really spoke my mind on something like this. But I couldn't bite my tounge no more. I felt I had to say something about it.

Then what's up with the errors? Can he not get it right? Every coin since 2016 has had issues. But yet he looked at like one of the top physical creators? I don't understand.

I agree, but like I said when you made obligations to keep the lists between buyer->customer, that's it. end of. Perhaps he now regrets this (I think he probably does, actually at least for the BTC coins, but you cannot get a time capsule to get lists back if you don't have them either, so who knows)? Just exploring the different scenarios - Sure I have may talked to him off and over the past ten years about a ziillion different codign type things but I never asked about this, as it was pretty clear in the older auctions (if they are still available in wayback or on forum, I have not checked, as I don't have any vested interest in this, I just think people don't understand how time and business evolved here).

Does he regret this decision? I don't know, nor is it my business, but Yes, I would sure regret making that obligation to customers right now due to the pressure, but again, he probably doesn't really care. he knows his position and this is why he is not going to reply to ether mopar or yoda on his death thread either. Also, he's super busy as always with whatever next creation he has and the orders he has to fill etc etc..

Sorry again it is just what it is. I really don't try and take sides here, I see it from both angles but I'm just giving you the history so to speak. These coins went for super-cheap back in the day in his weekly auctions, silver and brass... Once a winner, the auction ended there, there was never any mention of if winner funded or not, nor any address lists except via GPG/PGP signed messages over PM's. 

[Suzuki Matt]

From my understanding. People have got addresses from him in the past tho. I have heard this from several people. Since I made this post I started asking around. I got alot of different perspectives. This is why I don't even care about my coin anymore. I feel it has to be talked about.