Forum being abuse?

[Eternad]

There's a user @mumu68 that recently have an issue against one of the casino. He submitted screenshots and evidence about his issue that is really valid. Later on, his case developed and the real issue arise when the casino gave their opinion. In the end, The casino pays the user using their own money despite the red flag suggested to them by 3rd party risk management since the user keeps pressuring them through negative attacks to their brand.

I was about to believe that user really deserved the payment until he recently post another same issue agains different casino. He is now doin again what he did on the previous casino.

He is claiming since 2018 yet he just recently made his first post for the scam accusation against BC.game.


Is his problem is just a coincidence? 

You can read both case on the threads below:
Case 1: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5456655.0
Case 2: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5463365.msg62705064#msg62705064

PS: I made this topic on Meta since I'm concern that forum is being use by potential cheater to pressure casino here that protecting their public reputation. Please let me know if this is correct board.

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[bitbollo]

I have witnessed a situation in the past where there was a clearly fraudulent intent to receive a win... yes for sure this is not the first time that we see something similar.
In this specific case, I honestly can't see all the details to make me think of malicious user intervention.
Keep in mind that he is probably a gambler and also plays substantial sums (2000 usd as a deposit is not a small amount ...)

[Dunamisx]

I was about to believe that user really deserved the payment until he recently post another same issue agains different casino. He is now doin again what he did on the previous casino.

He is claiming since 2018 yet he just recently made his first post for the scam accusation against BC.game.

People can come up with many ways to deceive others and think we all reason the same way they did, if truly what he is doing was a blackmail then he will surely get stucked in a pit he won't be able to escape a return for another attempts, i don't know what he stands to gain for doing that, but am sure he will soon end his bitcointalk career if all evidence were pointing at him for doing so, he will be tagged and i think that's good enough to notify others that will be further coming in contact with him.

I guess this should be best discussed on reputation.

[elevates]

It has been an issue lately wherein suddenly a newbie comes up and creates an ANN on the scam child board. In most cases, they are targeting trusted online casinos which have been in existence for a few years. I won't deny that trusted casinos are not scamming innocent users. That being said but sudden constant flow of scam accusations is really alarming. The forum admin should look into this problem. As a recommendation newbies should be restricted to post on the gambling board and the scam accusation child board. Only if they buy copper membership they should be allowed if every new member has to pay the evil fee then why not put restrictions on newbie posting on concerned boards?  

[hd49728]

As a recommendation newbies should be restricted to post on the gambling board and the scam accusation child board.

No more newbie jail, theymos said years ago.

Thinking about it, I see it is unreasonable to have such restrictions, like newbies are not allowed to post in gambling board or Scam accusation board. It does not make any sense as if I can bet, I have rights to post, complain and create a scam accusation thread.

A scam casino is a scam and I am a newbie or a legendary player does not change what that casino is, scam or not, it is their platform and how they treat users.

[virasog]

There's a user @mumu68 that recently have an issue against one of the casino. He submitted screenshots and evidence about his issue that is really valid. Later on, his case developed and the real issue arise when the casino gave their opinion. In the end, The casino pays the user using their own money despite the red flag suggested to them by 3rd party risk management since the user keeps pressuring them through negative attacks to their brand.

I haven't read this case in depth, but my point of view is that if a person is claiming a false scam accusation against any casino, it should be a no concern for the casino and they should not become under any pressure. A gambler who is saying wrongly about any casino won't be able to produce valid evidence against the casino while the casino must be able to produce some pieces of evidence which will prove that the scammer is speaking false.

Thinking about it, I see it is unreasonable to have such restrictions, like newbies are not allowed to post in gambling board or Scam accusation board. It does not make any sense as if I can bet, I have rights to post, complain and create a scam accusation thread.

Also, not all the newbies speak falsely about the casino, some have real concerns, and we just cannot treat everyone the same like disallowing the newbies in certain boards or sections.

[Eternad]

Keep in mind that he is probably a gambler and also plays substantial sums (2000 usd as a deposit is not a small amount ...)

I understand this and I’m not removing this possibility. I’m just skeptical on this user since he is problematic on multiple casino. I’m also aware that arbitrage betting is being abused lately since this is very popular on Reddit gambling subforum and most of them use much higher amount.

On his case, he only bet few times after creating an account then withdraw.

[JeromeTash]

This sometimes happens where cheaters try to manipulate forum members through scam accusations against services here, especially casinos. Sometimes it's so hard to know who is right or who is wrong, that's why casinos and the person accusing them are sometimes advised to try to use mediators to settle such disputes like askgamblers or casinoguru.

Scam is not moderated in the forum and so are the scam accusations. Have you noticed that mods will rarely delete posts in the scam accusations board?

[Little Mouse]

Think exactly the opposite. This is true that some users use the forum reputation of a casino as a threat and try to abuse. But there are also casinos that abuse such rules and use such rules as weapons to restrict withdrawal thus not paying an actual winning. As long as you win small and withdraw small, they won't have much problem in your account. But whenever you will hit a big win and go to withdraw, the casino put restrictions and forces KYC, etc, and then comes up with an excuse to cancel the withdraw.

[Frankolala]

As a recommendation newbies should be restricted to post on the gambling board and the scam accusation child board.

You are over reacting mate,Theymos has given access to everyone to post on various boards because this community is a free world. When you were a newbie,you were given free access to post and now you want the newbies to be restricted to lay their complain and should contribute on gambling board. If it is so then the newbies shouldn't also gamble in a casino here,how about that ?

Casinos should also come up with their claims that the gambler didn't deserve his wins or should come up with a good reason why the gambler shouldn't be allowed to withdraw his win,if he has violated any of their T&C. I know vivdly that if a member complains about a casino depriving him from withdrawal,forum members will ask the person if he hasn't violated the T&C of the casino. Gambling is for all either newbie or Legend members and that is why newbies wouldn't be restricted to post on those boards that you have mentioned.

Only if they buy copper membership they should be allowed if every new member has to pay the evil fee then why not put restrictions on newbie posting on concerned boards?  

You didn't buy a corper membership,neither did you pay any evil fee. Not everyone can afford to pay these fees that you mentioned.

[skarais]

It has been an issue lately wherein suddenly a newbie comes up and creates an ANN on the scam child board. In most cases, they are targeting trusted online casinos which have been in existence for a few years. I won't deny that trusted casinos are not scamming innocent users. That being said but sudden constant flow of scam accusations is really alarming. The forum admin should look into this problem.

No, that's not an admin's job. Everything that is at risk of losing money is your responsibility, even forum do not moderate scam. So don't ask this admin or forum to investigate scam just because you or some other user got scammed by one or two different platforms.

As a recommendation newbies should be restricted to post on the gambling board and the scam accusation child board. Only if they buy copper membership they should be allowed if every new member has to pay the evil fee then why not put restrictions on newbie posting on concerned boards?

No, I don't agree, that's a bad idea. Think of the negative effects of restrictions rather than just dwelling on the lesser positives.

[Faisal2202]

It has been an issue lately wherein suddenly a newbie comes up and creates an ANN on the scam child board. In most cases, they are targeting trusted online casinos which have been in existence for a few years. I won't deny that trusted casinos are not scamming innocent users. That being said but sudden constant flow of scam accusations is really alarming. The forum admin should look into this problem. As a recommendation newbies should be restricted to post on the gambling board and the scam accusation child board. Only if they buy copper membership they should be allowed if every new member has to pay the evil fee then why not put restrictions on newbie posting on concerned boards?  

That's not a good idea and what difference will it make that only the copper membership ones should be allowed instead there will be a slight decrease in new accounts like these. TBH, despite of my interest toward Gambling i will say the one who is mentioned by OP is at right because he did got his payment in the first case.

If he was making fake excuses or blackmailing them then instead of getting payed he would be red tagged already. But in second case, the case which that company has opened of multi accounts can not be proved by one until they respond by themselves.

But till then we should listen to the dude and should not jump to outcomes.

[yhiaali3]

It may be a coincidence that the problem is repeated twice with the same user, and this may be a kind of fraud that he takes as a profession. We cannot judge until we hear the justification of the accused member.

Although from the first impression I think that it is difficult to repeat the same problem with the same player twice!! This is somewhat difficult to happen because the question that will come to everyone's mind is why these problems occur only with this member? Especially when the casino is reliable and has a good reputation, this makes such charges hard to believe.

Such things harm the reputation of the forum as well as the reputation of Crypto, especially since governments want to catch anything suspicious to discredit Crypto.

[yahoo62278]

In most cases, they are targeting trusted online casinos which have been in existence for a few years.

I would say that lesser known brands are more at risk. Casinos that are trying to build a reputation and do not want the negative publicity talk in the forum. If casinos have evidence a user is cheating them, then they shouldn't worry about any publicity. They can use a mediator and show their proof and end of story.

Most cases we see in the scam accusations board are bs, but there are a select few that are legit. The issue we face is casino's do not show their proof. If they did, then scammers get smarter and learn how to beat em. So if you have a legitimate claim, you need to get the casino to agree to an outside mediator and both parties agree to the mediators ruling.

[The Sceptical Chymist]

As a recommendation newbies should be restricted to post on the gambling board and the scam accusation child board.

No more newbie jail, theymos said years ago.

Nope, and newbies shouldn't be blocked from making scam accusations IMO, because sometimes that's the only reason a person registers here, to drop some evidence that they got scammed and to warn everyone. 

As far as mumu68 goes, I haven't read both threads in full yet but if his claims weren't valid there's no way in hell a casino would be pressured into paying him anything.  If they did that simply because a random member of bitcointalk opened a scam accusation thread, every scammer out there would be targeting that casino with the same method.  In addition, if the accusation is unfounded the casino's official account usually posts some kind of defense, and I've seen that a few times.

But I don't know, man.  These days it's hard to tell who's scamming who.  There's so much of it going on, and when you throw gamblers and casinos into the mix....it's goddamn difficult.  I wouldn't pounce on mumu68 just yet; if his evidence of getting scammed is legit it'll stand up to scrutiny.  If not, there's not much anyone can do about it anyway since scams aren't moderated.  He could get tagged by DT members, but since he's not exactly an active member I doubt that would cause him much of a problem.

[khiholangkang]

As a recommendation newbies should be restricted to post on the gambling board and the scam accusation child board.

No more newbie jail, theymos said years ago.

Nope, and newbies shouldn't be blocked from making scam accusations IMO, because sometimes that's the only reason a person registers here, to drop some evidence that they got scammed and to warn everyone. 

As far as mumu68 goes, I haven't read both threads in full yet but if his claims weren't valid there's no way in hell a casino would be pressured into paying him anything.  If they did that simply because a random member of bitcointalk opened a scam accusation thread, every scammer out there would be targeting that casino with the same method.  In addition, if the accusation is unfounded the casino's official account usually posts some kind of defense, and I've seen that a few times.

But I don't know, man.  These days it's hard to tell who's scamming who.  There's so much of it going on, and when you throw gamblers and casinos into the mix....it's goddamn difficult.  I wouldn't pounce on mumu68 just yet; if his evidence of getting scammed is legit it'll stand up to scrutiny.  If not, there's not much anyone can do about it anyway since scams aren't moderated.  He could get tagged by DT members, but since he's not exactly an active member I doubt that would cause him much of a problem.

I agree with you, that beginners should not be blocked or limited in making accusations, even though he doesn't have any ranking in this forum so his accusations should be ignored and it doesn't mean he is an obscure person to mess up the forum, but maybe he is using the forum to warns us and takes away the rights that rightfully belong to him.

As long as he shows concrete evidence of course that is something good, of course for those of us who like to gamble at casinos that run ads on forums.
 
We only need to pay attention to what really happened to mumu68, and what kind of delivery he is trying to convey in his writing, in the end there will be two sides that intersect between the official casino account and the victim, we will see who the real fraudster is after so many rebuttals and the explanations they made in discussing their accusations.

[Plaguedeath]

This is the risk of free speech and open discussion, anything can happen including someone want to cheat or abuse something, but there's nothing the moderator can do since forum doesn't moderate scam.

Someone can give neutral tag with "troll" as the description or click ignore his account, that's all.

But I disagree if newbie should be restricted to post in this section because there are so many victim who get scammed from centralized site but they don't have high account in this forum, obviously they will make a report with their newbie account.

[Mpamaegbu]

I haven't dug deeper into the case but one thing that struck me upon visiting mumu68's post history (who's the subject of OP's topic here) is that mumu68's posts are just on one subject matter – Scam Accusation. All the posts. This is the first time I've seen such apart from bounty hunters with the POA posts. The user has been here since 2018 but seems to have just one area of concentration. Do we take it that they're purely fixated on just that and have dedicated that account to do that hatchet job? At least, I know that's not the sole purpose of this forum.

[Sexylizzy2813]

There's a user @mumu68 that recently have an issue against one of the casino. He submitted screenshots and evidence about his issue that is really valid. Later on, his case developed and the real issue arise when the casino gave their opinion. In the end, The casino pays the user using their own money despite the red flag suggested to them by 3rd party risk management since the user keeps pressuring them through negative attacks to their brand.

I was about to believe that user really deserved the payment until he recently post another same issue agains different casino. He is now doin again what he did on the previous casino.

He is claiming since 2018 yet he just recently made his first post for the scam accusation against BC.game.

How are you going to believe this guy in this case? This issue is some how complicated and you can't say Mr A is right and at the same time say Mr A is also right, like always? Someone is not telling the truth.
He got paid on the first complain by the first casino, now he's having same issue with another casino, my question is... What if he's using same pattern to get something from these casinos? Is not really clear, now same scam accusation on BC.game?
Like is he the only one that's being scammed by these casinos? Why are others not giving same complain?
I'm just saying though...

[Dr.Bitcoin_Strange]

Well, I believe that in some cases you are right, where a user can just make up some stories, all in the name of trying to paint a brand black, but sometimes there's usually no evidence to back up those claims, so it's condemned as all lies. If the user is just trying to formulate lies, there's a chance that he can be phished out as a cheat or abuser if he can't provide some substantial evidence to prove his claims. I guess his problem might just be a coincidence, because some gamblers really do not just use one casino; they usually try different casinos if they find out the casino has a different feature they desire.