Strange behaviour of too many alts at once.

[Don Pedro Dinero]

Hi.

See this thread:
   
Crypto/NFT open source roulette

You can see my comment on it about too many alts praising the system which has made me leave a neutral tag on the OP for the time being. But I see that all the alts who have commented follow the same pattern, which is to have been created between 2017 and 2018, not having written a single fucking post until today, and appearing in that thread within minutes of each other to write posts promoting the service that the OP advertises, a roulette.

I would like to read opinions from the community before, if appropriate, proceeding to leave more tags.

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[Pandu Geddon]

very strange behavior and also ridiculous. the Op account in the thread is also not much different from the accounts that have good comments regarding the Roulette. this looks like the Op's attempt to keep his thread alive with positive comments from his alt.

it seems whenever someone comments on the thread, it will show alt Op to comment each other and reveal themselves. or maybe they're running a campaign on their social media groups to do just that.

[Rikafip]

I would like to read opinions from the community before, if appropriate, proceeding to leave more tags.

Looks to me like a classic thread bumping case, and we've seen quite a lot of of those even on altcoin board where leaving posts can't get you on the top like it's the case here.

Based on their M.O. (use of old newbie accounts) my guess is that this is the work of infamous Vitor Services that is usually responsible for this type of "marketing".

[Plaguedeath]

If someone can still fallen to this type of scam, I don't have any words to say.

The domain is already suspicious, napcis.com but when you visit the site, it's bitcase.

There's no information about the site and you can't read anything except they will force you to connect your wallet.

Sadly they accept Bitcoin, if not their thread will be moved to altcoins section where it's a place for scam sites that promise ridiculous profit.

[FatFork]

That thread should be reported to the moderators for spamming. I notice that Kn0wn is treading the same path as the WreckLeague account, which has already been banned, and is likely part of a big group of throwaway alt accounts.

WreckLeague used to flood the forum with posts having the exact same content while pushing this web address:

Code:

https://bitcase.optima.org

Now, that domain is on my antivirus' blacklist, so it's likely they switched to a new domain because of this.

[Yamane_Keto]

I wonder how he managed to get so many accounts that were created several years ago, these accounts did not strive to create more detailed replies or even leave good time differences between them and anyone can notice that their purpose is to show that the project is working well.
I think the reason for making all these posts in a short time is to prevent others to create negative replies.
Creating a flag is the best, forum members can easily know that all these replies are fake but guests may not be able to.

[lovesmayfamilis]

I wonder how he managed to get so many accounts that were created several years ago, .

Unfortunately for us, it's quite simple. Old accounts with a zero level are sold on the Internet very cheaply, and it does not cost a lot of money and labor for scammers to buy several batches of such accounts. I looked at the history of some accounts; some accounts belong to the Russian locale, and there are also old accounts of miners as well as accounts participating in bumping services.
It would be right for moderators to destroy such accounts after the first post after hibernation. Although, as one old, respected user says, this is a fight with windmills.

[Sim_card]

All those accounts are used for the same purpose and they already know that OP would post such thread that was why they started bumping the thread to lure people into their trap. Those accounts are very old and shouldn't be abused if it is bought. That is why moderators need to see what to do on this issue. Anyway it is a cheap scam and anyone that falls for it must be a greedy person who wants to reap from where he didn't sow from. It might also be that the accounts are controlled by one person who knows such a funny trick.

[examplens]

I would like to read opinions from the community before, if appropriate, proceeding to leave more tags.

It is quite obvious that it is an organized bump with fake comments. It is very likely that the same person is behind all the accounts, but it does not necessarily have to be that way.
If you really want to clean it up, I suggest you report such posts to the moderator. After some time, they themselves will give up this strategy.
Also, tagging such accounts is not wrong, so I encourage you to do it. Just make sure you make valid references (probably the best in this thread) in case the OP decides to delete his topic.

[Cantsay]

I would like to read opinions from the community before, if appropriate, proceeding to leave more tags.

I think I have read about a similar case where an user got so many replies on his thread from accounts that were created the day they made all their comments and after that they all left the forum without logging into their account again and when the user was called out he claimed that they (the accounts) were owned by some of those that patronized him and after their deal he made them create an account here in Bitcointalk to give him a review.

But I’m this case I don’t think that’s what is happening here, it is obvious that those accounts are being controlled by the same user and since the main aim of this act of socket-puppet is to deceive people into believing that he has actually done anything with those accounts and therefore going into trade with him I think that calls for a neutral tag warning others against the risk of dealing with him.

[Cuenta Alternativa]

That thread should be reported to the moderators for spamming.

I've just reported it as you said. Now it's up to the moderators to decide.

If you really want to clean it up, I suggest you report such posts to the moderator. After some time, they themselves will give up this strategy.
Also, tagging such accounts is not wrong, so I encourage you to do it. Just make sure you make valid references (probably the best in this thread) in case the OP decides to delete his topic.

I already tagged OP (neutral) but I am not so sure about the other alt or related accounts. I think for this alone is not worth it. As they have had no activity since their inception, I think their intentions will be seen at the next move they make.

[yahoo62278]

I would say that being as all these accounts are sockpuppets and being used to try and facilitate a scam, a tag is warranted on all of them. It's really a pathetic attempt to try and scam some users out of their crypto.

kn0wn
tommyv
Bas909
kingpirate
phamnhangioi
deddlinexxx
Kenworks
konovalov_88
Prophed
thewolfest
marissia
mhco12
cryptech
GrandMasterBit
karimtech
Postalgia

Here are hyperlinks to all the accounts involved for those who want to tag them. At a minimum a neutral tag is warranted(RED IMO). Curious what others think.

OldCat
valvilzgur
antarlz
cryptowarrio8i
notoriot
decello


Updated with the new shills

[Awaklara]

or maybe they're running a campaign on their social media groups to do just that.

the possibility is quite implausible. it's because when you look at the accounts that comment on the thread have the same habit.
almost all accounts that have been dormant for a long time then woke up and posted their first post on to support the site. if the accounts that comment there are random accounts like when you see newbie accounts registering bounty campaigns. the possibility that you mean can still be considered.

[BoXXoB]

Curious what others think.

I'd definitely say red is warranted.

People using alt accounts is imo one of the most annoying things on the forum. I'm worried about cases where it's not so clear as here.

[crwth]

Here are hyperlinks to all the accounts involved for those who want to tag them. At a minimum a neutral tag is warranted(RED IMO). Curious what others think.

Thank you for posting this and making it easy. I think red is definitely a good way to help others and non-members of the community when visiting this page to have warnings posted right in front of their faces. It's the easiest way to make sure that there are less people that gets scammed.

[_BlackStar]

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Here are hyperlinks to all the accounts involved for those who want to tag them. At a minimum a neutral tag is warranted(RED IMO). Curious what others think.

I've taken part to do it earlier instead of leaving icopress alone there - I think a neutral tag is worth it at this point for all those accounts.

yahoo62278 - thanks for providing hyperlink to all accounts - it took me only 4 seconds to send each tag to each account mentioned. Waiting for another same step from a different user - or two is enough?

[yahoo62278]

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Here are hyperlinks to all the accounts involved for those who want to tag them. At a minimum a neutral tag is warranted(RED IMO). Curious what others think.

I've taken part to do it earlier instead of leaving icopress alone there - I think a neutral tag is worth it at this point for all those accounts.

yahoo62278 - thanks for providing hyperlink to all accounts - it took me only 4 seconds to send each tag to each account mentioned. Waiting for another same step from a different user - or two is enough?

I would say 2 is plenty. Just enough to get people to look at the trust hopefully and see the accounts have been involved in some shady activity. I've only seen the community go crazy and tag big scammers like masterP or someone that stole alot of bitcoin.

[Rikafip]

I think a neutral tag is worth it at this point for all those accounts.

Imho, neutral in this case is just a waste of time as it should be straight red because its pretty obvious what's going on here. One of the problems is that even when they get tagged, they just ditch those accounts and just reactivate the new ones. Rinse and repeat.

Worst part of all this is that looks like they have an indefinite amount of old newbie accounts that they just reactivate when/if needed. It makes me think that they are constantly making new account just for this purpose and thehn they just leave them alone until needed.

[SmartGold01]

Believe me or not all these account that are testifying there are all paid post account to convinced the real people over here, have you seen any reputable member testifying in that thread or haven to show any reality to what amount they won?
Well this is just the pure proof of scammers trying to lure real people into wanting to trying their luck to win cryptos and bitcoin at the end they would made away their real money.
Don't you think all the newbies that are testifying in that thread needs to be tag?

[Bureau]

This is an old trick to scam anyone on social media platforms. Unfortunately such trick won't work on our forum due to active members. I have seen such kind of shillings on Twitter, Facebook & most commonly on Telegram channels. What looks interesting here is that those newbie accounts were created a long back. I guess they were created by bots and were made recently active. Looks like we might encounter more of such techniques to scam members in the future.

[yahoo62278]

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5463808.msg62719292#msg62719292 same thread started by a different user this time. I was going to leave it alone, but now all have a red tag as it looks even more scammy when a 2nd account announced the same shit and same people posting fake vouches.

[holydarkness]

I went through their "parent company", BitCase, who held this free raffle to celebrate their 15 million cases [whatever that is]. The link to bitcase[dot]org can initially be accessed by clicking the logo on their header, but it's no longer clickable. Anyway, the parent company itself shows so many red flags, and I think it's enough to tell us the truth about this "raffle" and warrant a tag. I'm leaving one as well.

[Don Pedro Dinero]

I noticed that the first thread I reported as spam, instead of being deleted, has been moved to the alts section. I respect the moderators' decision but I don't agree with it. I guess it's because the forum doesn't moderate scams, but the comments from the alts are spammy as hell. Take for example this one in the second thread:

I felt unwell all day, had a headache and a fever. Now I saw this roulette, read the reviews, at first I did not believe it. I went to the site, got a free spin. OH YES THIS IS A VICTORY! NOW I FEEL WELL! THANK YOU FOR THAT!

It's just rubbish.

[Rikafip]

I noticed that the first thread I reported as spam, instead of being deleted, has been moved to the alts section

On which grounds you reported the thread? As you know, scam is not moderated and its very hard to prove that project actually paid someone to shill in their topic so its no surprise that thread wasn't deleted.

but the comments from the alts are spammy as hell. Take for example this one in the second thread

My suggestion is to report those spammy posts instead reporting thread where spamfest is happening. 

[Cuenta Alternativa]

On which grounds you reported the thread?

Well. Actually, I reported it as spam and I see that the report has been marked as good but they have ignored me, they have moved it to Marketplace (altcoins).

My suggestion is to report those spammy posts instead reporting thread where spamfest is happening. 

I think so, moderators will more likely delete rubbish posts like that one.

[yahoo62278]

I noticed that the first thread I reported as spam, instead of being deleted, has been moved to the alts section. I respect the moderators' decision but I don't agree with it. I guess it's because the forum doesn't moderate scams, but the comments from the alts are spammy as hell. Take for example this one in the second thread:

I felt unwell all day, had a headache and a fever. Now I saw this roulette, read the reviews, at first I did not believe it. I went to the site, got a free spin. OH YES THIS IS A VICTORY! NOW I FEEL WELL! THANK YOU FOR THAT!

It's just rubbish.

The 2nd thread is still sitting in the gambling section, so looks like noone has reported that 1. Maybe use different reasoning and see if moderators move it or trash it.

[worldofcoins]

Looks to me like a classic thread bumping case, and we've seen quite a lot of of those even on altcoin board where leaving posts can't get you on the top like it's the case here.

I think it's a thread where alts shill their own service using multiple accounts (promoting their roulette, NFT website in this case)
But they aren't aware that it's clearly visible that they are all alts, someone pretty bad at knowing how the trust system works.

Oh, this is a private roulette, I knew about it for a long time, but no one published it in the public domain.
It is real to win here, and the winnings are very large.
Use it to your health while there are free free spins.

I don't know what this guy (alt) means by the term "Use it to your health while there are free spins"  

It would be right for moderators to destroy such accounts after the first post after hibernation. Although, as one old, respected user says, this is a fight with windmills.

Can moderators do this?

[holydarkness]

The 2nd thread is still sitting in the gambling section, so looks like noone has reported that 1. Maybe use different reasoning and see if moderators move it or trash it.

Reported them under fake roulette, fake parent company, and a possible attempt to phish gullible users. Let's see if it got handled and moved to trash.

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Can moderators do this?

Nuke an account? Yes. With sufficient reason, moderators has the power to send an account into oblivion.

[Coin_trader]

The 2nd thread is still sitting in the gambling section, so looks like noone has reported that 1. Maybe use different reasoning and see if moderators move it or trash it.

Reported them under fake roulette, fake parent company, and a possible attempt to phish gullible users. Let's see if it got handled and moved to trash.

Moving that thread to the altcoin is the best that we can get since no one here can prove that website is scam by trying by themselves the casino. I report many of this scam attempt but none of them move to trash can especially if the thread is properly constructed as announcement thread. The only result I can get aside from moving the thread on altcoin board is my report record added with a bad report count.

I think moving the thread on Altcoin board can be considered as trash too since only few or close to no user interact to that board due to flooded ANN thread from shitcoins.

[holydarkness]

Reported them under fake roulette, fake parent company, and a possible attempt to phish gullible users. Let's see if it got handled and moved to trash.

Moving that thread to the altcoin is the best that we can get since no one here can prove that website is scam by trying by themselves the casino. I report many of this scam attempt but none of them move to trash can especially if the thread is properly constructed as announcement thread. The only result I can get aside from moving the thread on altcoin board is my report record added with a bad report count.

I think moving the thread on Altcoin board can be considered as trash too since only few or close to no user interact to that board due to flooded ANN thread from shitcoins.

Hmm... I think we actually have some basis to think that the roulette itself is scam, if we may connect it with the evidences found on my investigation of their "parent company", BitCase. What we're yet to figure is how, will they ask for private key? Use a drainer malware? Or will they ask for certain deposit to unlock withdrawal.

If I may quote myself about the quick investigaton of BitCase [there are still lots of materials about BitCase that can be pointed out from their website, but I think these points are enough to cover the nature of the website] as well as to safe-keep the research result in case the first thread moved to trash,

[...]
Challenge accepted. How about these for a reason for doubt? This is what your website said [archived]



Copyright 2019-2023, Bitcase Group, Ltd., Cyprus, where the event itself is to commemorate 15 million cases.

1. Your page is copyrighted from 2019, while it's just six months old. BitCase, the "parent company" of yours, who held the event for 15 million cases, are created even more recent



2. Bitcase Group, Ltd. is the name of the registered company. Depends on which website people accessed, it's either registered in Cyprus [for those who access it from markeeter[dot]com] or in UK if seen from bitcase[dot]org [archived]. They're both came negative, though.





3. The header of markeeter is clickable and linking to bitcase [as it should be, given it's the subsidiary of bitcase group]. [Edit: proof-reading it prior to hitting the post button and I found that it's no longer redirecting me to bitcase page? I can swear to any holy being that I was redirected from clicking the header, though] On bitcase, we'll be able to see testimonials from Portia Villa who apparently also has a twin named Lexie Cuevas who happen to write the review and uhh...



Catrine Galvan and Kellis Humphries?




Polly Rush?


Thought?

[ScamViruS]

I think moving the thread on Altcoin board can be considered as trash too since only few or close to no user interact to that board due to flooded ANN thread from shitcoins.

They have created a new thread on the Gambling board https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5463808.0 and they are posting in that thread using multiple newbie accounts to make the thread look active. We need to report in each of their threads if the mod takes any action which would be a good move. They are here for the purpose of scam, which is hinting through their every activity. So to warn gamblers, all possible action should be taken against these site promoters.

[khaled0111]

Everything about the website screams "scam".
Other than the red flags presented by holy darkness, I want to add few more in case someone still believe it may be legit:

- It's supposed to be a web3 websites and users connect to it through walletconnect. But they claim they offer btc prizes! Afaik, the Bitcoin blockchain is not supported by walletconnect. So how can the winners withdraw their btc?

- One of the fake accounts posted an image of what supposed to be him receiving 2 btc on his wallet. The amount he received in btc is (2 btc) and its equivalent in USD is ($58222.2), the transaction fee in btc is (576 sats) and its equivalent in USD is ($0.21). The math doesn't add up!

Unfortunately, all mods can do is to move the thread to the altcoins section then lock it if the number of spam posts becomes more than they can handle. They can also ban the fake accounts if they have many good reports against them.

[yahoo62278]

Everything about the website screams "scam".
Other than the red flags presented by holy darkness, I want to add few more in case someone still believe it may be legit:

- It's supposed to be a web3 websites and users connect to it through walletconnect. But they claim they offer btc prizes! Afaik, the Bitcoin blockchain is not supported by walletconnect. So how can the winners withdraw their btc?

- One of the fake accounts posted an image of what supposed to be him receiving 2 btc on his wallet. The amount he received in btc is (2 btc) and its equivalent in USD is ($58222.2), the transaction fee in btc is (576 sats) and its equivalent in USD is ($0.21). The math doesn't add up!

Unfortunately, all mods can do is to move the thread to the altcoins section then lock it if the number of spam posts becomes more than they can handle. They can also ban the fake accounts if they have many good reports against them.

This could be a phishing scam of sorts as well. Users connects their wallets and the site empties them. Heard about that happening a couple times in the last few months.

[Stalker22]

This could be a phishing scam of sorts as well. Users connects their wallets and the site empties them. Heard about that happening a couple times in the last few months.

No doubt about it, this is a scam!

I did some digging on the forum about this "BitCase roulette", and I came across a bunch of other posts echoing the same content (most of which have already been taken down by the moderators). They keep promoting a fresh domain in nearly every new post, all featuring the same cloned version of the site. Here is a list of some of the domains:

Code:

https://bitcase.optima.org/
https://napcis.com/
https://carirupiah.com/
https://markeeter.com/

Some of these domains are already on the blacklist and are being blocked by antiviruses. So, they are basically playing whack-a-mole with new domains to keep the scam going.

[holydarkness]

This could be a phishing scam of sorts as well. Users connects their wallets and the site empties them. Heard about that happening a couple times in the last few months.

If it is, it called a drainware or a drainer, I caught one being offered back then.

[Stalker22]

Our friend OldCat is back in action. Now, he has started spamming various local boards with something he calls AMLBot, along with a website that asks you to connect your wallet under the guise of "assessing the purity of a cryptocurrency."


https://ninjastic.space/search?author=OldCat&title=AMLBot

Moderators, is it time to bring out the ban hammer, perhaps?