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August 31, 2023, 02:04:57 PM
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It is indeed quite complicated, but I am sure that slowly this problem will be resolved, as long as law enforcement officials are able to approach the community and conduct continuous direct hearings, because so far the government has established a law only carried out unilaterally without any agreement between the government and the community.
If law enforcement officers carry out their duties well, including providing understanding to the public, they can reduce their time playing cockfighting. They will also be more active in finding work than using cockfights to get money. However, the government only makes laws that the public may not yet understand, so there are still misunderstandings between them. Perhaps the approach by the government is still not enough because there are still places to bet on cockfights for them while law enforcement officials don't know about it.
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August 31, 2023, 03:22:08 PM
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It is indeed quite complicated, but I am sure that slowly this problem will be resolved, as long as law enforcement officials are able to approach the community and conduct continuous direct hearings, because so far the government has established a law only carried out unilaterally without any agreement between the government and the community.
If law enforcement officers carry out their duties well, including providing understanding to the public, they can reduce their time playing cockfighting. They will also be more active in finding work than using cockfights to get money. However, the government only makes laws that the public may not yet understand, so there are still misunderstandings between them. Perhaps the approach by the government is still not enough because there are still places to bet on cockfights for them while law enforcement officials don't know about it.
The thing with law enforcement officers is that they only take action when they're being required or when something happens already, it has always been the case. The thing is, there are two types of people those who want a work or those who are lazy just to bet on anything as if it's a work/job, well, it's not. Lot and lots of laws just tell how corrupt that country/society is.
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August 31, 2023, 03:58:31 PM
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I am from a country which fully supports this kind of gambling activity. I am not a fan of betting for these animals and I don't raise one, but this has been a tradition for quite some time already. This rosters were raised as if it's a part of your family, they need to be conditioned and with proper feeds and vitamins to achieve it's purpose. Once they die on the arena, they are served as a dinner for the winning team. One can define this as an animal cruelty if they are not part of its tradition. If we're disturbed by watching two rosters fighting each other till death, we should also be disturbed to see two human beings fighting in the ring hitting each others heads applying as much as force as they could to knock the opponent dead just for the money and culture. I mean how is that different? I think we all could agree that human lives are far more precious than the roster's.
I don't think you can compare boxing, wrestling, MMA, or any other human game that involves fighting with cockfighting or any other game where two animals are forced to fight each other to death. Do you think that humans are raised up for this purpose and are prepared without knowing about it that they are going to fight when they grow up? They aren't, they do it willingly and not by anyone forcing them into it and they also don't kill each other.

Cockfighting dog fighting or any other game that involves two or more animals fighting each other until the opponent dies or almost dies are basically unethical games and they should be banned all around the world. A tradition that forces animals to become fighters and then forces them to die in the arena should be banned.

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August 31, 2023, 05:46:58 PM
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It is indeed quite complicated, but I am sure that slowly this problem will be resolved, as long as law enforcement officials are able to approach the community and conduct continuous direct hearings, because so far the government has established a law only carried out unilaterally without any agreement between the government and the community.
If law enforcement officers carry out their duties well, including providing understanding to the public, they can reduce their time playing cockfighting. They will also be more active in finding work than using cockfights to get money. However, the government only makes laws that the public may not yet understand, so there are still misunderstandings between them. Perhaps the approach by the government is still not enough because there are still places to bet on cockfights for them while law enforcement officials don't know about it.
regardless of the government's unilateral decision to regulate activities carried out by the community. Law enforcement officials have also not been able to explain directly and in detail why cockfighting has become an illegal act and activity in society. They only say that cockfighting is illegal and against the rules, and when people commit cockfights, that person is guilty and should be caught and punished. If such actions are taken by law enforcement officials, it will only lead to conflict between cockfighting culture preservers and law enforcement officials. and the middle way, in addition to having a strong community approach, law enforcement officials must also be able to initiate and influence traditional leaders if there are any or community leaders, because people tend to obey tribal leaders or figures they respect.

The thing with law enforcement officers is that they only take action when they're being required or when something happens already, it has always been the case. The thing is, there are two types of people those who want a work or those who are lazy just to bet on anything as if it's a work/job, well, it's not. Lot and lots of laws just tell how corrupt that country/society is.
Apart from that, there are often several law enforcement officers who protect this activity (cockfighting). Where there is collusion or cooperation between law enforcement officials and cockfighting perpetrators, and this will only make it more difficult to stop cockfighting activities.

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August 31, 2023, 07:05:12 PM
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It is indeed quite complicated, but I am sure that slowly this problem will be resolved, as long as law enforcement officials are able to approach the community and conduct continuous direct hearings, because so far the government has established a law only carried out unilaterally without any agreement between the government and the community.
If law enforcement officers carry out their duties well, including providing understanding to the public, they can reduce their time playing cockfighting. They will also be more active in finding work than using cockfights to get money. However, the government only makes laws that the public may not yet understand, so there are still misunderstandings between them. Perhaps the approach by the government is still not enough because there are still places to bet on cockfights for them while law enforcement officials don't know about it.
regardless of the government's unilateral decision to regulate activities carried out by the community. Law enforcement officials have also not been able to explain directly and in detail why cockfighting has become an illegal act and activity in society. They only say that cockfighting is illegal and against the rules, and when people commit cockfights, that person is guilty and should be caught and punished. If such actions are taken by law enforcement officials, it will only lead to conflict between cockfighting culture preservers and law enforcement officials. and the middle way, in addition to having a strong community approach, law enforcement officials must also be able to initiate and influence traditional leaders if there are any or community leaders, because people tend to obey tribal leaders or figures they respect.

The thing with law enforcement officers is that they only take action when they're being required or when something happens already, it has always been the case. The thing is, there are two types of people those who want a work or those who are lazy just to bet on anything as if it's a work/job, well, it's not. Lot and lots of laws just tell how corrupt that country/society is.
Apart from that, there are often several law enforcement officers who protect this activity (cockfighting). Where there is collusion or cooperation between law enforcement officials and cockfighting perpetrators, and this will only make it more difficult to stop cockfighting activities.

There are still legal cock fighting events in our country but they need to get license from the government to run it legally. However, the government has been really strict in releasing license since there are illegal activities happening behind it and recently, there were also incidents of crimes that involves some authorities.
There are still lots of cock fighters and organizers as well as agents who are missing until now. Cock fighting has been a traditional gambling game here in our country but as it innovates, illegal activities has also been rising so we can't blame the government for taking control of it though we can't deny the fact that there are also huge people behind these illegal activities or should we say cock fighting syndicate.
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September 01, 2023, 03:05:29 PM
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The thing with law enforcement officers is that they only take action when they're being required or when something happens already, it has always been the case. The thing is, there are two types of people those who want a work or those who are lazy just to bet on anything as if it's a work/job, well, it's not. Lot and lots of laws just tell how corrupt that country/society is.
Even though law enforcement officials were asked to take action, they would not take action because there had been bribes from betting place owners, so they would pretend that they had not found anything suspicious. That is what causes a lot of corruption to occur in many countries and is difficult to eradicate. Laws are just written on paper because the people who take action can easily tell law enforcement officers to walk away as if nothing existed.

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regardless of the government's unilateral decision to regulate activities carried out by the community. Law enforcement officials have also not been able to explain directly and in detail why cockfighting has become an illegal act and activity in society. They only say that cockfighting is illegal and against the rules, and when people commit cockfights, that person is guilty and should be caught and punished. If such actions are taken by law enforcement officials, it will only lead to conflict between cockfighting culture preservers and law enforcement officials. and the middle way, in addition to having a strong community approach, law enforcement officials must also be able to initiate and influence traditional leaders if there are any or community leaders, because people tend to obey tribal leaders or figures they respect.
Law enforcement officials do not need to detail and explain directly why they made such regulations. This often happens everywhere, especially if we meet law enforcement officials who are used to pressuring people to get bribes. Those who commit illegal acts can continue their operations without fear of being reported by law enforcement officials.

However, law enforcement officials should be able to provide an explanation why it is prohibited in their country. But if it's still related to traditional events in that country, cockfighting is still allowed only for that event. And the public should be able to understand the meaning of these regulations.
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September 01, 2023, 03:13:58 PM
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It is indeed quite complicated, but I am sure that slowly this problem will be resolved, as long as law enforcement officials are able to approach the community and conduct continuous direct hearings, because so far the government has established a law only carried out unilaterally without any agreement between the government and the community.
If law enforcement officers carry out their duties well, including providing understanding to the public, they can reduce their time playing cockfighting. They will also be more active in finding work than using cockfights to get money. However, the government only makes laws that the public may not yet understand, so there are still misunderstandings between them. Perhaps the approach by the government is still not enough because there are still places to bet on cockfights for them while law enforcement officials don't know about it.
The thing with law enforcement officers is that they only take action when they're being required or when something happens already, it has always been the case. The thing is, there are two types of people those who want a workathose who are lazy just to bet on anything as if it's a work/job, well, its's not. Lot and lots of laws just tell how corrupt that country/society is.
Law enforcement officers have their eyes on ground mostly in cities and towns, but not villages and rural areas, cockfighting, if I am correct with my presumptions or assumptions rather, is a game that is mostly held in villages and rural areas, I presume this because looking at the nature of god fight as a game, it is not a game for those who live in the city or developed areas, but a game for villagers who do not probably have access to other types of games, I presumed or assumed this because City people who have businesses to look after or office is to go to will not have time for games like cockfighting,  so speaking about law enforcement officers, there is no way we expect them to go after people they do not see and do not have any information about in a city where cockfighting games is a crime.

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September 01, 2023, 05:03:53 PM
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There are still legal cock fighting events in our country but they need to get license from the government to run it legally. However, the government has been really strict in releasing license since there are illegal activities happening behind it and recently, there were also incidents of crimes that involves some authorities.
There are still lots of cock fighters and organizers as well as agents who are missing until now. Cock fighting has been a traditional gambling game here in our country but as it innovates, illegal activities has also been rising so we can't blame the government for taking control of it though we can't deny the fact that there are also huge people behind these illegal activities or should we say cock fighting syndicate.
Yes... I know that there are several areas where cockfighting is legal. For example, in China, there are certain regions that legalize cockfighting activities for the reason that this activity is part of history and with cockfighting activities they hope to attract tourists to visit their region and this was even initiated by the regional government directly. And for the Indonesian state there is also an area that legalizes cockfighting, namely one of them is Bali, this is because cockfighting is part of their customs, it's just that in carrying out cockfighting activities there should not be money circulation or money betting. however, as has been said, in its implementation there are always syndicates played by irresponsible law enforcement officials.

Law enforcement officers have their eyes on ground mostly in cities and towns, but not villages and rural areas, cockfighting, if I am correct with my presumptions or assumptions rather, is a game that is mostly held in villages and rural areas, I presume this because looking at the nature of god fight as a game, it is not a game for those who live in the city or developed areas, but a game for villagers who do not probably have access to other types of games, I presumed or assumed this because City people who have businesses to look after or office is to go to will not have time for games like cockfighting,  so speaking about law enforcement officers, there is no way we expect them to go after people they do not see and do not have any information about in a city where cockfighting games is a crime.

As far as I know, many illegal cockfighting activities are held in rural areas and remote areas. this is none other than because to protect the privacy of these activities and even if they have to pay bribes to law enforcement officials, then the amount of bribes is not too large and does not involve too many people to carry out the syndicate. the case is different from in the city where when you want to carry out cockfighting activities you have to take complicated administrative routes and require a lot of money for the smooth running of these activities.
And when someone loves cockfighting, whenever, wherever and whatever the risks, they will do it.

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September 01, 2023, 05:08:44 PM
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It is indeed quite complicated, but I am sure that slowly this problem will be resolved, as long as law enforcement officials are able to approach the community and conduct continuous direct hearings, because so far the government has established a law only carried out unilaterally without any agreement between the government and the community.
If law enforcement officers carry out their duties well, including providing understanding to the public, they can reduce their time playing cockfighting. They will also be more active in finding work than using cockfights to get money. However, the government only makes laws that the public may not yet understand, so there are still misunderstandings between them. Perhaps the approach by the government is still not enough because there are still places to bet on cockfights for them while law enforcement officials don't know about it.
I think the government can regulate it if they want to prevent it. But what you said is that they don't take proper action in this matter which is why this type of game is still being conducted in many places. After any law is passed, the public must be well informed about why the law was made. There is no problem in people gambling but if they take part in illegal gambling then there must be penal action. And if the law enforcement agencies do their duty properly then this kind of gambling will not be seen again.

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It is indeed quite complicated, but I am sure that slowly this problem will be resolved, as long as law enforcement officials are able to approach the community and conduct continuous direct hearings, because so far the government has established a law only carried out unilaterally without any agreement between the government and the community.
If law enforcement officers carry out their duties well, including providing understanding to the public, they can reduce their time playing cockfighting. They will also be more active in finding work than using cockfights to get money. However, the government only makes laws that the public may not yet understand, so there are still misunderstandings between them. Perhaps the approach by the government is still not enough because there are still places to bet on cockfights for them while law enforcement officials don't know about it.
The thing with law enforcement officers is that they only take action when they're being required or when something happens already, it has always been the case. The thing is, there are two types of people those who want a workathose who are lazy just to bet on anything as if it's a work/job, well, its's not. Lot and lots of laws just tell how corrupt that country/society is.
Law enforcement officers have their eyes on ground mostly in cities and towns, but not villages and rural areas, cockfighting, if I am correct with my presumptions or assumptions rather, is a game that is mostly held in villages and rural areas, I presume this because looking at the nature of god fight as a game, it is not a game for those who live in the city or developed areas, but a game for villagers who do not probably have access to other types of games, I presumed or assumed this because City people who have businesses to look after or office is to go to will not have time for games like cockfighting,  so speaking about law enforcement officers, there is no way we expect them to go after people they do not see and do not have any information about in a city where cockfighting games is a crime.
Yes, cockfights are often carried out in rural or inland areas because they are still thick with tradition. However, if cockfighting is carried out in an area where traditional or customary cockfighting is still practiced, the authorities will not make any arrests because it is not for gambling and the area uses the cockfighting tradition for religious events.
However, for rural people who are not deeply involved in the tradition of cockfighting, they do it as a betting arena in a place hidden from the crowd. And in my area there are still those who do that, and provide arenas and traders for visitors. And the risk is, if the authorities detect it, the place will be raided when it's busy.

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It is indeed quite complicated, but I am sure that slowly this problem will be resolved, as long as law enforcement officials are able to approach the community and conduct continuous direct hearings, because so far the government has established a law only carried out unilaterally without any agreement between the government and the community.
If law enforcement officers carry out their duties well, including providing understanding to the public, they can reduce their time playing cockfighting. They will also be more active in finding work than using cockfights to get money. However, the government only makes laws that the public may not yet understand, so there are still misunderstandings between them. Perhaps the approach by the government is still not enough because there are still places to bet on cockfights for them while law enforcement officials don't know about it.
I think the government can regulate it if they want to prevent it. But what you said is that they don't take proper action in this matter which is why this type of game is still being conducted in many places. After any law is passed, the public must be well informed about why the law was made. There is no problem in people gambling but if they take part in illegal gambling then there must be penal action. And if the law enforcement agencies do their duty properly then this kind of gambling will not be seen again.
In the modern world, everyone understands that cockfighting is a cruel entertainment and the governments of many countries should of course prohibit such entertainment.  

However, in those countries where cockfighting is their national tradition, such a ban is extremely difficult to introduce.  Any politician or popularly elected member of the Legislative Assembly of the country who proposes to legally establish bans on traditional folk entertainment always runs the risk of losing the support of the local population in the elections.  That is why many such politicians seem to constantly say that this is bad entertainment, but in reality they do nothing and just engage in demagogy.  None of them wants to lose the support of voters.  
That's why, as I think, it is so difficult to deal with real bans and cockfights in several countries of the world.

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September 01, 2023, 06:13:52 PM
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It is indeed quite complicated, but I am sure that slowly this problem will be resolved, as long as law enforcement officials are able to approach the community and conduct continuous direct hearings, because so far the government has established a law only carried out unilaterally without any agreement between the government and the community.
If law enforcement officers carry out their duties well, including providing understanding to the public, they can reduce their time playing cockfighting. They will also be more active in finding work than using cockfights to get money. However, the government only makes laws that the public may not yet understand, so there are still misunderstandings between them. Perhaps the approach by the government is still not enough because there are still places to bet on cockfights for them while law enforcement officials don't know about it.
I think the government can regulate it if they want to prevent it. But what you said is that they don't take proper action in this matter which is why this type of game is still being conducted in many places. After any law is passed, the public must be well informed about why the law was made. There is no problem in people gambling but if they take part in illegal gambling then there must be penal action. And if the law enforcement agencies do their duty properly then this kind of gambling will not be seen again.
In the modern world, everyone understands that cockfighting is a cruel entertainment and the governments of many countries should of course prohibit such entertainment.  

However, in those countries where cockfighting is their national tradition, such a ban is extremely difficult to introduce.  Any politician or popularly elected member of the Legislative Assembly of the country who proposes to legally establish bans on traditional folk entertainment always runs the risk of losing the support of the local population in the elections.  That is why many such politicians seem to constantly say that this is bad entertainment, but in reality they do nothing and just engage in demagogy.  None of them wants to lose the support of voters.  
That's why, as I think, it is so difficult to deal with real bans and cockfights in several countries of the world.

Someone replied here about politicians owning a farm of roosters for fighting. Cockfighting was already rooted in the country long before it even gained independence from its colonizers, I bet they have cock festivals to celebrate, don't they? Traditions like this will not die and after all, chickens are easy to breed, there is no scarcity of chicken. It's not an endangered species.

In the US, there are also people involved as they said it's in the rural areas where the hood never mind the roosters wakes them up in the morning.
Check this DEA raids Phoenix home and finds cockfighting ring with more than 100 roosters. The anchor says its a blood sport  Grin  
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4MSPUEoKXA0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LWxkL9tOj5k


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September 01, 2023, 08:01:42 PM
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It is indeed quite complicated, but I am sure that slowly this problem will be resolved, as long as law enforcement officials are able to approach the community and conduct continuous direct hearings, because so far the government has established a law only carried out unilaterally without any agreement between the government and the community.
If law enforcement officers carry out their duties well, including providing understanding to the public, they can reduce their time playing cockfighting. They will also be more active in finding work than using cockfights to get money. However, the government only makes laws that the public may not yet understand, so there are still misunderstandings between them. Perhaps the approach by the government is still not enough because there are still places to bet on cockfights for them while law enforcement officials don't know about it.
I think the government can regulate it if they want to prevent it. But what you said is that they don't take proper action in this matter which is why this type of game is still being conducted in many places. After any law is passed, the public must be well informed about why the law was made. There is no problem in people gambling but if they take part in illegal gambling then there must be penal action. And if the law enforcement agencies do their duty properly then this kind of gambling will not be seen again.
In the modern world, everyone understands that cockfighting is a cruel entertainment and the governments of many countries should of course prohibit such entertainment.  

However, in those countries where cockfighting is their national tradition, such a ban is extremely difficult to introduce.  Any politician or popularly elected member of the Legislative Assembly of the country who proposes to legally establish bans on traditional folk entertainment always runs the risk of losing the support of the local population in the elections.  That is why many such politicians seem to constantly say that this is bad entertainment, but in reality they do nothing and just engage in demagogy.  None of them wants to lose the support of voters.  
That's why, as I think, it is so difficult to deal with real bans and cockfights in several countries of the world.

Someone replied here about politicians owning a farm of roosters for fighting. Cockfighting was already rooted in the country long before it even gained independence from its colonizers, I bet they have cock festivals to celebrate, don't they? Traditions like this will not die and after all, chickens are easy to breed, there is no scarcity of chicken. It's not an endangered species.

In the US, there are also people involved as they said it's in the rural areas where the hood never mind the roosters wakes them up in the morning.
Check this DEA raids Phoenix home and finds cockfighting ring with more than 100 roosters. The anchor says its a blood sport  Grin  
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4MSPUEoKXA0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LWxkL9tOj5k


Yes some places will have a cockfighting during their festival it's their traditions so we can't say that they can stop this traditions cause it will bound from their ancestors. And also in cock fighting if your rooster will win then the rest rooster from your opponent has been given to you so that you can cook and eat with your friends once you will win. Here in my country there are many gambler still gamble in cockfighting even though it will against the law if they don't have permit to operate.

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September 01, 2023, 09:28:39 PM
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It is indeed quite complicated, but I am sure that slowly this problem will be resolved, as long as law enforcement officials are able to approach the community and conduct continuous direct hearings, because so far the government has established a law only carried out unilaterally without any agreement between the government and the community.
If law enforcement officers carry out their duties well, including providing understanding to the public, they can reduce their time playing cockfighting. They will also be more active in finding work than using cockfights to get money. However, the government only makes laws that the public may not yet understand, so there are still misunderstandings between them. Perhaps the approach by the government is still not enough because there are still places to bet on cockfights for them while law enforcement officials don't know about it.
I think the government can regulate it if they want to prevent it. But what you said is that they don't take proper action in this matter which is why this type of game is still being conducted in many places. After any law is passed, the public must be well informed about why the law was made. There is no problem in people gambling but if they take part in illegal gambling then there must be penal action. And if the law enforcement agencies do their duty properly then this kind of gambling will not be seen again.
In the modern world, everyone understands that cockfighting is a cruel entertainment and the governments of many countries should of course prohibit such entertainment.  

However, in those countries where cockfighting is their national tradition, such a ban is extremely difficult to introduce.  Any politician or popularly elected member of the Legislative Assembly of the country who proposes to legally establish bans on traditional folk entertainment always runs the risk of losing the support of the local population in the elections.  That is why many such politicians seem to constantly say that this is bad entertainment, but in reality they do nothing and just engage in demagogy.  None of them wants to lose the support of voters.  
That's why, as I think, it is so difficult to deal with real bans and cockfights in several countries of the world.

Someone replied here about politicians owning a farm of roosters for fighting. Cockfighting was already rooted in the country long before it even gained independence from its colonizers, I bet they have cock festivals to celebrate, don't they? Traditions like this will not die and after all, chickens are easy to breed, there is no scarcity of chicken. It's not an endangered species.

In the US, there are also people involved as they said it's in the rural areas where the hood never mind the roosters wakes them up in the morning.
Check this DEA raids Phoenix home and finds cockfighting ring with more than 100 roosters. The anchor says its a blood sport  Grin  
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4MSPUEoKXA0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LWxkL9tOj5k


Yes some places will have a cockfighting during their festival it's their traditions so we can't say that they can stop this traditions cause it will bound from their ancestors. And also in cock fighting if your rooster will win then the rest rooster from your opponent has been given to you so that you can cook and eat with your friends once you will win. Here in my country there are many gambler still gamble in cockfighting even though it will against the law if they don't have permit to operate.
If its something that do talks about being traditional then you could really expect that it would really be done or would really be getting out that kind of support or would really be doing it out and expect that there would really be some places on which arent really that licensed or having the permit and its not really that a shocking situation on which they would really be thinking up that having those permits would really be getting a huge cut when it comes to their overall revenue. If you are a gambler or really that a fan of cockfighting then it would be always advisable that you should really be that going into those places on which are legal and permitted so that incase theres a raid then you wont really be putting up yourself on so much trouble,

There are indeed things in life on which it cant really be something be stopped just because it had been instilled into heir cultural aspect and been part
of the tradition whether it would really be on some fiestas or some gatherings or whatever event it would be. Just like been said that this is really that truly that popular or eastern countries specially on Asia on which cockfighting brings out that kind of interest on which it is really that something that
lots of people been entertained. Speaking about online sites or platforms that do offer such thing then there are sure that existing but it would be better
on sticking into those places which are regulated or having the permission to operate so that it would be considered to be legal and you wont be putting yourself on such possible problem.
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 #235

From the point of view of an American from NY, or from SF, or from some traditional inhabitant of a European country, of course, cockfights are wild and cruel entertainment.  This is the approach we have.  

However, if you ask someone from a country where cockfighting is part of the tradition of this people, then for such people this is normal. If this happens in a village where there are a lot of chicken and roosters, then for these people it is normal.  
Different approaches to this problem clearly say that no one will ban cockfighting in such places.

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However, if you ask someone from a country where cockfighting is part of the tradition of this people, then for such people this is a common entertainment, especially since in any case the carcass of a dead rooster is then fried and eaten.  And if this happens in a village where there are a lot of chickens and roosters, then for such residents this is normal. 
Such different approaches to this problem clearly say that no one will ban cockfighting in such countries for many years to come, and even many generations will have fun like this.

Chickens are being slaughtered globally for food. They are livestock that’s why this kind of game is still allowed even though watching them brutally kill each other is very alarming.

I’m not a supporter of this kind of game even though this is popular in my country. But I’m guilty of eating chicken too that being slaughtered and the only difference was human kill them instead of their own.

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September 02, 2023, 08:13:28 PM
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However, if you ask someone from a country where cockfighting is part of the tradition of this people, then for such people this is a common entertainment, especially since in any case the carcass of a dead rooster is then fried and eaten.  And if this happens in a village where there are a lot of chickens and roosters, then for such residents this is normal. 
Such different approaches to this problem clearly say that no one will ban cockfighting in such countries for many years to come, and even many generations will have fun like this.

Chickens are being slaughtered globally for food. They are livestock that’s why this kind of game is still allowed even though watching them brutally kill each other is very alarming.

I’m not a supporter of this kind of game even though this is popular in my country. But I’m guilty of eating chicken too that being slaughtered and the only difference was human kill them instead of their own.
Yes you are right that mate chicken is one of the best product in every country that serves every people. And it's almost the same when chicken being slaughtered by people and roster being slaughtered by other rosters. When we saw a cockfighting then we will be enjoy and the most thrilled is when we put our bet on the roster that we feel we will win and then in during the fight in the first met your cock is being hit and then in the second and third met your cock won then that a very thrilled game.

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September 02, 2023, 09:32:03 PM
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Yes some places will have a cockfighting during their festival it's their traditions so we can't say that they can stop this traditions cause it will bound from their ancestors. And also in cock fighting if your rooster will win then the rest rooster from your opponent has been given to you so that you can cook and eat with your friends once you will win. Here in my country there are many gambler still gamble in cockfighting even though it will against the law if they don't have permit to operate.

It would be wiser if we were able to "maintain a culture that is still good and adopt an even better culture." And many people say that cockfighting is a tradition or culture that must be stopped because it includes acts of cruelty to animals and in its implementation many are driven by gambling. so that cockfighting activities are considered increasingly negative. However, apart from tradition/culture, it can provide benefits including; Being a gathering place between communities, can increase the income of an area with many tourists visiting to see cockfights and can improve the economy/small business carried out by the community.

So, it remains for us to assess whether there are more bad or beneficial in preserving cockfighting culture. If, for example, there are more benefits than bad, then there is nothing wrong with an area continuing to maintain the tradition of cockfighting. And vice versa.

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September 02, 2023, 09:47:41 PM
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From the point of view of an American from NY, or from SF, or from some traditional inhabitant of a European country, of course, cockfights are wild and cruel entertainment.  This is the approach we have.  

However, if you ask someone from a country where cockfighting is part of the tradition of this people, then for such people this is normal. If this happens in a village where there are a lot of chickens and roosters, then for these people it is normal.  
Different approaches to this problem clearly say that no one will ban cockfighting in such places.
I agree with you on that, it depends on where you are from that makes up your mindset towards some things cockfight is such an extinct and unpopular game and at many people from those parts of the world that believe and see the animal as worthy to have protections and law to guide such animal right, citizens from such countries will truly see cockfighting as cruel games.
But some other part of the world still sees and approves of cockfighting as a game and even if it is not played on a large scale, cockfighting is one of the most isolated games because even in such countries where it is allowed, cockfighting still remains unpopular.

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September 02, 2023, 10:30:15 PM
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From the point of view of an American from NY, or from SF, or from some traditional inhabitant of a European country, of course, cockfights are wild and cruel entertainment.  This is the approach we have.  

However, if you ask someone from a country where cockfighting is part of the tradition of this people, then for such people this is normal. If this happens in a village where there are a lot of chickens and roosters, then for these people it is normal.  
Different approaches to this problem clearly say that no one will ban cockfighting in such places.
I agree with you on that, it depends on where you are from that makes up your mindset towards some things cockfight is such an extinct and unpopular game and at many people from those parts of the world that believe and see the animal as worthy to have protections and law to guide such animal right, citizens from such countries will truly see cockfighting as cruel games.
But some other part of the world still sees and approves of cockfighting as a game and even if it is not played on a large scale, cockfighting is one of the most isolated games because even in such countries where it is allowed, cockfighting still remains unpopular.
Maybe this type of game is not popular enough where you are. However, in my place, where almost every house keeps chickens, including fighting cocks, so "cockfighting" in my place is very popular, even though this type of game has been banned by their local government, fighting activities continue to be played.
The pros and cons related to this game continue to this day. And I think that there are more people who reject it than those who support it, so like it or not those who are fond of cockfighting have to hold it in an isolated place to avoid law enforcement officials and not allow the media to cover it because this can jeopardize the continuation of the cockfighting activities that they do. . So this game is not popular enough in some parts of the country.

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