Casinos games are not made by the casino teams but...

[xSkylarx]

It depends on what kind of software agreement they are having, like an agreement under which the casino can touch the code or manipulate it, or an agreement under which only the game is set up and they have only the admin dashboard. I don't have experience in operating casinos, but mostly those owners want to have full control, so developers are out of it, as those developers really develop it to be foolproof and bug-free. Though there are still in-house games that are developed by them, I am not sure if they are 100% developed by them because it will take time, so I am sure that they also purchase it or some modules of it to make it done. But developers are out of it, and it is also really possible if they want to manipulate it. No one knows.

[Die_empty]

The question I have in mind is, aren't the developers the ones that should be responsible for any manipulation in the games or it's still possible for the casino team and members to manipulate the game engines?

Some people still think that games on online casinos are from the casino teams themselves but those games are from software providers, is this valid or not.

There is no perfect system anywhere. Although I have not experienced this issue I cannot dispute that casino manipulation exists. Any form of manipulation will be redesigned for the profit of the casino. So it will be correct to state that these casinos can be manipulated by the casino if they are built in-house. But the casino can also partner with a third-party developer to manipulate the system. The gambling firm can connive with the third developer to cheat gamblers because of greed. But one thing is sure, the casino and the software providers will soon run out of business. They can't hide their shady deals forever because other experienced players in the industry would dictate and unveil this fraud. That's why it is better to always use a trusted and tested casino

[Wapfika]

I always consider games from one casino to be easily manipulated if the casino is the one that builds the game, when it comes to reputable online casinos, they always offer favourite games from trusty developers, this mean they don't build those games themselves.

Original games typically probably fair which means you can verify the authenticity of the results using the hash seed. But same with the 3rd party providers, It's all about trust since whether the original games is probably fair or not, other games on the casino even from trusted provider is still not verifiable if the result is fair.

The question I have in mind is, aren't the developers the ones that should be responsible for any manipulation in the games or it's still possible for the casino team and members to manipulate the game engines?

It's possible that some games is rigged since slot game software is not an open source and there's some slot provider that was found out cheating before and removed by casino. It's all about trust on gambling industry. It's up to you whether you will believed or not.

[coin-investor]

If you've been a long-time player of casinos, you know that casinos are paying third-party game providers for their games
and these are the top Online casino developers

https://www.softswiss.com/knowledge-base/choosing-optimal-mix-game-vendors-online-casino/

So casinos' job is to pay their winners and promote their platform and see to it that the game provider is not manipulating their games so players will stay and will trust their platform.
The casinos should pick the most popular and reputable game provider so their players will not look for other platform anymore.

[YOSHIE]

Some people still think that games on online casinos are from the casino teams themselves but those games are from software providers, is this valid or not.

You remind me of one of the sources I've read, with the title: TOP 10 ONLINE CASINO GAME DEVELOPMENT COMPANIES

If it is related to your question, it is clear that it is valid, for example:

In fact, all gambling establishments use one or more of the same software, and the only thing that adds originality to them is branding.

If you look at the quote above, of course there is no doubt that software and companies have a role in slot games, poker etc.

This statement can be strengthened again by the statement below, which has been done by the MICROGAMING company.

The Microgaming company is the first and one of the most popular developers of casino games (slots in particular). The brand began its work in the 90s and earned its name by an innovative approach and performance. Microgaming was founded in South Africa (Durban) in 1994. A little later, the main office was transferred to Great Britain (Maine). In our days, the company’s representatives are located all over the world, and the software is available in more than 600 casinos and poker rooms.

You can see more and more companies providing various games to existing online casinos, in the source above top 10.

[bittraffic]

There are casinos that consult the 3rd party game developer when they see the user earned from one game and wanted to withdraw instantly. The casino still sees the game developer as responsible for finding out whether the user had cheated his way to make a fortune.

In case the 3rd party game developer says the users did cheat, the casino will more likely not allow the funds to be withdrawn but allow the user to only withdraw what he had deposited. I think this situation already happened.

[Hispo]

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Some people still think that games on online casinos are from the casino teams themselves but those games are from software providers, is this valid or not.

It depends on the casino and the games themselves, for example. There are casinos which indeed use games which are developed by teams which are not directly hired by the casino, but rather is the casino that buys the rights to use the software.

On the other hand, there are also games which are developed by the casino themselves, using a uniform visual style and those games are also advertised by the casino team, so people can try them. If you have played on Stake, then you should have noticed that they have their own original casino games, which have the same style and graphic design among themselves and since it is  developed by stake they provide ways so gamblers can verify the result they get, through the provably fair model.  

I hope my answer was helpful, OP.

[goinmerry]

The question I have in mind is, aren't the developers the ones that should be responsible for any manipulation in the games or it's still possible for the casino team and members to manipulate the game engines?

There is no manipulation or related thing about that, period.

These game software providers are also taking care of their business. Issues about manipulation will just create a bad image for these providers. If there will be an issue of cheating or manipulation against them, how will they be able to attract more online casinos to hire their service? Their games are fair and square and they are distributing these games with the same system throughout different online casinos.

Don't blame big losses that there's manipulation or cheating happening in the game. If you are in bad luck, then just accept it. Take a break and calm the situation before going back to playing again. Gambling is a game of chance. Don't expect that you will always win here and don't think that game providers are cheating the whole game.

[KTChampions]

I do not see the point of manipulation for the casino (of course if the casino was not created for the purpose of stealing users' money), because the revenue is embedded in the algorithms for each individual game and by and large the owner of the casino should be engaged in attracting users to increase earnings. Quite a working scheme without the need for fraud, because if fraud is proven, the casino will clearly lose all users.

That's right, math works better than any fraud  If you play in large online casinos, then the chance of suffering from manipulation is almost zero - casinos that already have a large flow of customers themselves check as carefully as possible so that there are no mistakes that could harm customers. Because if there is some kind of scandal, they will lose their reputation and some of the customers will leave - they will lose the flow of money that comes to the casino without any fraud.

[Westinhome]

I always consider games from one casino to be easily manipulated if the casino is the one that builds the game, when it comes to reputable online casinos, they always offer favourite games from trusty developers, this mean they don't build those games themselves.

The question I have in mind is, aren't the developers the ones that should be responsible for any manipulation in the games or it's still possible for the casino team and members to manipulate the game engines?

Some people still think that games on online casinos are from the casino teams themselves but those games are from software providers, is this valid or not.

If the gamblers play for certain period of time,he can learn most of the tactics from the gambling site.But it's not the easy task to all the gamblers.The dedication is needed one by the gamblers on playing the same game many times.The dice is the game which allow us to learn more easily and the probability for the winning is more and more compared to the other games.The pattern of the dice should be find by the gamblers using the dice of past series of game.The gambling software was made by the developer and he is human and can be manipulated based on the knowledge.

[Blitzboy]

Yes, many reputable casinos source games from established developers. Its a bloody game of trust! But here's the kicker: responsibility and manipulation are two sides of the same cursed coin. Developers might craft the game, but who says casinos cant have a backdoor?

If you naively believe casinos are just passive storefronts, then I have a bridge to sell you. They're always after the bottom line - MONEY. Whether it’s an in-house or external developer, both parties have vested interests. If manipulation were to happen, it'd be a wretched dance between the two.

Those clueless souls who think online casinos craft all their games are delusional. But dont be too quick to separate casinos from developers. In this shady world, everyone's hands might just be dirty.

[shasan]

I always consider games from one casino to be easily manipulated if the casino is the one that builds the game, when it comes to reputable online casinos, they always offer favourite games from trusty developers, this mean they don't build those games themselves.

The question I have in mind is, aren't the developers the ones that should be responsible for any manipulation in the games or it's still possible for the casino team and members to manipulate the game engines?

Some people still think that games on online casinos are from the casino teams themselves but those games are from software providers, is this valid or not.

My personal opinion is that at least one casinos are a part of all online casinos. And they do not want to want to publish about that as they will lose customers. If they publish it then many gambling sites may not use their script. Also, many gambling sites has few own casinos which have been built by their team.

[mu_enrico]

There is no manipulation or related thing about that, period.

These game software providers are also taking care of their business. Issues about manipulation will just create a bad image for these providers. If there will be an issue of cheating or manipulation against them, how will they be able to attract more online casinos to hire their service? Their games are fair and square and they are distributing these games with the same system throughout different online casinos.

This argument of "too big to fail" is proven to be wrong throughout history. The trusted 3rd party still can be malicious if the safeguard isn't there or not correctly implemented (or many other reasons), the license and stuff are used to prevent such malicious action. Therefore, such suspicion is common, and that's why people invented provably fair mechanisms to erase such suspicion.

The bottom line is that the game provider can or cannot be malicious, even if the manipulation risk is low, it's not zero. People playing those games are basically ignoring the risk and choosing to trust the provider.

But of course, people who blame the system, because they are losing, aren't correct either since it's gambling... They must have a proof for such an accusation.

The question I have in mind is, aren't the developers the ones that should be responsible for any manipulation in the games or it's still possible for the casino team and members to manipulate the game engines?

Some people still think that games on online casinos are from the casino teams themselves but those games are from software providers, is this valid or not.

There are two kinds of games based on who creates them, (1) in-house, and (2) 3rd party providers
For in-house games, the house/casino builds the game, so they should have the burden to be liable if any error, but for 3rd party games, the casino only hosts it as is with some parameter to tweak, like RTP (for some games) for example. I don't think it's viable for the casino to hack the provider's server and stuff, it's simply not their expertise. The most common MO for casino to cheat their customers is by denying withdrawal, as simple as that.

[AmoreJaz]

Yes, many reputable casinos source games from established developers. Its a bloody game of trust! But here's the kicker: responsibility and manipulation are two sides of the same cursed coin. Developers might craft the game, but who says casinos cant have a backdoor?

If you naively believe casinos are just passive storefronts, then I have a bridge to sell you. They're always after the bottom line - MONEY. Whether it’s an in-house or external developer, both parties have vested interests. If manipulation were to happen, it'd be a wretched dance between the two.

Those clueless souls who think online casinos craft all their games are delusional. But dont be too quick to separate casinos from developers. In this shady world, everyone's hands might just be dirty.

but those top and reputable casinos are very careful in deploying any game from third party developers. because it can ruin what they have built for years. because at some point, one of these players will find the loophole or if the game is not provably fair. do remember, some of these players are diligently checking the casinos about their fairness and other features. this is why reputable ones are not fast in adding a new provider because they will also check themselves about what they are offering.

[dothebeats]

It is entirely possible that the casinos who buy these games from the developers have full control of the games that are deployed in their platform. They have demo games that exist for a reason, and that is to lure people as much as possible by giving them increased win percentage on those in order to get the player deposit in the real thing. It would be foolish for the casinos to not have any type of control on their games and let the game developer do all of the tinkering on their own, because they won't get maximum profit on those games for sure.

[o48o]

I always consider games from one casino to be easily manipulated if the casino is the one that builds the game, when it comes to reputable online casinos, they always offer favourite games from trusty developers, this mean they don't build those games themselves.

The question I have in mind is, aren't the developers the ones that should be responsible for any manipulation in the games or it's still possible for the casino team and members to manipulate the game engines?

Some people still think that games on online casinos are from the casino teams themselves but those games are from software providers, is this valid or not.

To my knowledge those third party slots leave some tweaking options to casinos. Like RTP %. And yes, ultiimately people who develope those slots have responsibility, but you don't have to take their word for it. As they are being audited all the time, technical vulnerability analysis, done by ISS And ISMS doing Info sec.

To top of that, if they would get caught of being dishonest, years building trust would be gone over night. Building that level of trust from a scratch would be a mountain of work.

Here's some info about audits:
https://luisvilanova.es/iss-audit-and-isms-audit-in-betting-slots-in-virtual-casinos/?lang=en

[blockman]

I always consider games from one casino to be easily manipulated if the casino is the one that builds the game, when it comes to reputable online casinos, they always offer favourite games from trusty developers, this mean they don't build those games themselves.

The question I have in mind is, aren't the developers the ones that should be responsible for any manipulation in the games or it's still possible for the casino team and members to manipulate the game engines?

Some people still think that games on online casinos are from the casino teams themselves but those games are from software providers, is this valid or not.

Since the casinos have bought that through the third party provider, it's plausible that they can modify some of its codes or depending to the contract that they've signed with the developer if they're allowed to. If not, then that's good that they can't modify and manipulate the game itself. But it's also possible that they can and that's really depending if they've given the authority to do so or if they have an agreement that the developer can do any modification that they can based on the request of the casino that purchased the game. While it's true that the casinos are being blamed for manipulating it, then I guess it's the latter that I've said that everything can be done by them since the developers can just follow whatever they say.

[molsewid]

I always consider games from one casino to be easily manipulated if the casino is the one that builds the game, when it comes to reputable online casinos, they always offer favourite games from trusty developers, this mean they don't build those games themselves.

The question I have in mind is, aren't the developers the ones that should be responsible for any manipulation in the games or it's still possible for the casino team and members to manipulate the game engines?

Some people still think that games on online casinos are from the casino teams themselves but those games are from software providers, is this valid or not.

No they are not. Developers are just the one who implements the code whatever the management told them to do so. I am a dev that's why I can say this, if the BD or PM told them to that manipulation so they can manipulate gamblers it is not the fault of devs. Devs are just employees and maybe they are not also allowed to play in that casino I think or maybe there is NDA of course.

[moneystery]

I always consider games from one casino to be easily manipulated if the casino is the one that builds the game, when it comes to reputable online casinos, they always offer favourite games from trusty developers, this mean they don't build those games themselves.

The question I have in mind is, aren't the developers the ones that should be responsible for any manipulation in the games or it's still possible for the casino team and members to manipulate the game engines?

Some people still think that games on online casinos are from the casino teams themselves but those games are from software providers, is this valid or not.

even though the games are developed by third-party developers, that doesn't mean that the casino platform managers let the developers do as they please. of course there are rules and requests that must be met by developers in developing the games requested by the casino platform. the developer must meet the criteria set by the casino platform, and the team from the casino platform will certainly verify whether the game that has been designed meets the standards or not or has holes and various other things before it is used by players. so if there is manipulation or other things, it is the responsibility of the casino platform because they designed the game.

[Stepstowealth]

Some casinos actually develop their own games. They invest money in developing games that are unique to their casino to give them an advantage over casinos.

The question I have in mind is, aren't the developers the ones that should be responsible for any manipulation in the games or it's still possible for the casino team and members to manipulate the game engines?

If there is any kind of thing like manipulation, it is from casinos and not the game developers, Or developers will manipulate the games on the request from the casinos. Developers will not put in the market a manipulated game for casinos because not all casinos are criminals, some actually do their business fairly without any form of manipulation.