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August 21, 2023, 07:11:43 PM
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Many individuals have yet to fathom the true potency of money and its intricate mechanics. Would you be taken aback to uncover the concealed reality behind stock candlesticks, which are actually subject to manipulation?

This parallels the realm of gambling as well. A multitude of instances arise involving gambling and the shadowy presence of organized crime. Cases of match-fixing in sports abound, underscoring the susceptibility of games like slots or blackjack to manipulation.

Even Jake LaMotta opted for money from the gambling mafia over a legitimate championship. Recall that life seldom adheres to the simplicity of our assumptions. Casinos must maintain profitability to endure, and resorting to dishonesty becomes their avenue to financial gain.
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August 21, 2023, 08:23:03 PM
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I always consider games from one casino to be easily manipulated if the casino is the one that builds the game, when it comes to reputable online casinos, they always offer favourite games from trusty developers, this mean they don't build those games themselves.

The question I have in mind is, aren't the developers the ones that should be responsible for any manipulation in the games or it's still possible for the casino team and members to manipulate the game engines?


As much as possible reputable crypto casino wanted their games provably fair.  But there are shady casino that intentionally rig the game by asking the developer to tweak the game in favor of the casino.  I would say it is very possible for a casino to collaborate with their game provider to increase or decrease the odds on the slots but proving them would be hard.

Some people still think that games on online casinos are from the casino teams themselves but those games are from software providers, is this valid or not.

It is known to gamblers that many casino games are from a third party game provider.  Reason why we see different casino providers to choose.  Although some casino asked these game provider to create a game exclusive for the casino only.
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August 21, 2023, 08:47:21 PM
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I always consider games from one casino to be easily manipulated if the casino is the one that builds the game, when it comes to reputable online casinos, they always offer favourite games from trusty developers, this mean they don't build those games themselves.

The question I have in mind is, aren't the developers the ones that should be responsible for any manipulation in the games or it's still possible for the casino team and members to manipulate the game engines?

Some people still think that games on online casinos are from the casino teams themselves but those games are from software providers, is this valid or not.
If we are talking about slot games then we know that it does have that different providers which means that the casino site or owner wont really be having that kind of chance on tweaking out those odds or chances of winning or losing internally, unless if they have given out some access then its possible but its unlikely considering that this is already too far outstretched in speaking about rights and in regarding partnerships.
For those games that they do solely been able to create like crash or dice games then its truly that they would really be that easily be rigged up if they wanted into on which this is really that normal that
they could really be able to make changes for them to be set that they are at advantage.

So its a wrong thinking that making out some generalization about those games been offered and possibilities on rigging it up. Some people do already knows this but pretty sure
that there are gamblers who do have that kind of impression on which they do generalize that the team behind those games been offered is made by them.

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August 21, 2023, 09:29:47 PM
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Not certainly... Casino games are programed and I feel it's more like a one-off kinda stuff.. they developers program everything through a domain which communicates, interchange and relates with the casino's imbalance line between loses and gains - this might be checked regularly to enable the casino running into bankruptcy anytime soon.
But I've learnt that some games are automatically provided by the casinos themselves - I mean how's that even possible?? Except they've got an internally paid programmer, then things would get really weird for them.

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August 21, 2023, 10:03:22 PM
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I always consider games from one casino to be easily manipulated if the casino is the one that builds the game, when it comes to reputable online casinos, they always offer favourite games from trusty developers, this mean they don't build those games themselves.
The question I have in mind is, aren't the developers the ones that should be responsible for any manipulation in the games or it's still possible for the casino team and members to manipulate the game engines?
Some people still think that games on online casinos are from the casino teams themselves but those games are from software providers, is this valid or not.
What I tend to understand is that not all games we find in a casinos are from reputable developers. There are some that we don't even need play because the developer must have given the casino team a means to manipulate the game especially games that have bugs in it.

There are some casinos that want to make more money from there customers by manipulating the game in a way that the house have more opportunity of winning than the players. We might not understand how all these are done except if we are very intellectual and also a developer that have a broad knowledge about it. This is why scam casinos do have more Hegde than the player in winning.

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August 22, 2023, 02:04:37 AM
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The question I have in mind is, aren't the developers the ones that should be responsible for any manipulation in the games or it's still possible for the casino team and members to manipulate the game engines?

Some people still think that games on online casinos are from the casino teams themselves but those games are from software providers, is this valid or not.
The software providers could manipulate the games, but the games they create usually go through inspections and testing. I doubt casinos can cheat through the games made by the software providers, but I know they can adjust the RTP and payouts of certain games.

They're not wrong about casino games coming from casinos because it's true, and the casino you're promoting also released their own games.

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August 22, 2023, 02:29:48 AM
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I think it really doesn't matter if a game is one that is built by a casino itself or if it is coming from a game provider for as long as they are licensed and compliant with legal policies. I think there is a regular fairness audit in casinos. Not to mention that many games are now provably fair, which means that you can verify yourself whether the game that you played is really fair or not.

But jurisdictions may actually matter as well. If a casino is licensed in a place where gambling regulations are not strictly implemented, then I think I'd rather trust a game provided by a certain company based in a country that has strict gambling law implementation.
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August 22, 2023, 02:50:47 AM
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The question I have in mind is, aren't the developers the ones that should be responsible for any manipulation in the games or it's still possible for the casino team and members to manipulate the game engines?
Yes they are the responsible ones but the casino owners still has the final say when it comes to whether they want the game to be rigged, I mean the developers don't have a stake in the casino if they rigged it without the knowledge of the casino so I believe that the only time it's going to happen that a developer rigs the game is when they've been asked by the owners themselves.
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August 22, 2023, 11:02:25 AM
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I always consider games from one casino to be easily manipulated if the casino is the one that builds the game, when it comes to reputable online casinos, they always offer favourite games from trusty developers, this mean they don't build those games themselves
Those online casinos with a long standing reputation would not want to jeopardize their repute they have built for such years or decades by getting games from a random game builder that they have no connection with. The game builders and the casino must be in some form of incorporation working as cooperate partners.

 There's no way a casino will want to rig their games and the game builders won't have awareness about such manipulation. But those reputable casinos wouldn't risk manipulating their games because players or bettors will eventually find out and that can give a bad repute bringing down their business, this fear is what give players the confidence in using reputable casinos for their gaming or betting.

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August 22, 2023, 11:06:00 AM
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I always consider games from one casino to be easily manipulated if the casino is the one that builds the game, when it comes to reputable online casinos, they always offer favourite games from trusty developers, this mean they don't build those games themselves.

The question I have in mind is, aren't the developers the ones that should be responsible for any manipulation in the games or it's still possible for the casino team and members to manipulate the game engines?

Some people still think that games on online casinos are from the casino teams themselves but those games are from software providers, is this valid or not.

I don't understand your question though, just like traditional based casinos or land based casinos all of their games are from slot machine developers and other game developers and so they just have to work with their local gaming commission on how to setup the RTP and thats it.

So not sure where the manipulation will come or possible for the casino to do that.

There are no games from the casino developers themselves, they just have to get or buy the rights or softwares from the game developers themselves.
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Yes, even though casino machines were created by developers other than the casino team itself, still the casino team has someone to set it up so that the machine works by giving a win to the casino, on the one hand I always think that the casino has never been beaten, it seems they can indeed control the winnings in the game that machine and control that, but how.

It's still in my nagging mind, but if it really proves to be fair how often do we find more gamblers losing and going broke than gamblers winning and getting rich, there aren't that many gamblers who are lucky to beat the casino and it seems almost impossible though some I've seen it on social media but he is a streamer and there may be partnerships to arrange winnings for the casinos as well. but whatever it is, just gamble for fun and not to make money, so when do you know you have to gamble and have to stop gambling. if that can be done means we are victorious.  Wink

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August 22, 2023, 12:39:19 PM
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I always consider games from one casino to be easily manipulated if the casino is the one that builds the game, when it comes to reputable online casinos, they always offer favourite games from trusty developers, this mean they don't build those games themselves.

The question I have in mind is, aren't the developers the ones that should be responsible for any manipulation in the games or it's still possible for the casino team and members to manipulate the game engines?
It should be the devs. The logic behind each game should've been implemented beforehand, casinos (or even the management team of the game itself) should have in no way have access to the odds of the game engines. That would basically require the dev to make a UI that accepts inputs so that the odds have some sort of reference for what it should work with on each game.

And besides, games usually undergo some sort of strict testing, especially in casino games where provability is probably tested as well so that it is truly random. They probably have a certificate of sorts that are awarded to games that pass said tests, and usually, the code itself of the game remains untouched after that. If they do ever touch it again, they'd probably need to run it down the tests once more.

 
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August 22, 2023, 12:55:39 PM
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Yes, even though casino machines were created by developers other than the casino team itself, still the casino team has someone to set it up so that the machine works by giving a win to the casino, on the one hand I always think that the casino has never been beaten, it seems they can indeed control the winnings in the game that machine and control that, but how.

It's still in my nagging mind, but if it really proves to be fair how often do we find more gamblers losing and going broke than gamblers winning and getting rich, there aren't that many gamblers who are lucky to beat the casino and it seems almost impossible though some I've seen it on social media but he is a streamer and there may be partnerships to arrange winnings for the casinos as well. but whatever it is, just gamble for fun and not to make money, so when do you know you have to gamble and have to stop gambling. if that can be done means we are victorious.  Wink

If you thought a little, you would understand that in order for someone to win in gambling, someone needs to lose, because. gambling is a zero-sum game. Moreover, there should be more losers than winners, otherwise it makes no sense for casino owners to work in this area, because. they will suffer losses. By understanding this simple truth, you can look at gambling, winning, losing, and the emotions of gambling in a completely different way.

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August 22, 2023, 01:10:33 PM
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Some people still think that games on online casinos are from the casino teams themselves but those games are from software providers, is this valid or not.


Yes, that's right, if every game is created by casinos then only big companies can launch online casinos, a casino will have to spend thousands of dollars on every game and they will have to hire a set of coders and developers and they will have to maintain these developers, so it's safe and cost-effective if they just a license from game providers, these game providers make it easy for casino to maintain their platform, all they have to do is to monitors their players, their games and their funds.

Both the game providers and casino owners should not cheat or manipulate or they will both lose their reputation and possibly their clients.


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The thing is you can't prove if the game is rigged or not.

When you suffer a lot of lose streaks, people will say it's possible and it's all about luck.

Any gambling provider will not show their source code because it will make other people can easily copy it and create their own gambling provider. Usually there's an independent casino consultant site that will report a rigged games, but you're still need to trust their words as you're not completely know the source code.

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I don't think that a software developer has any access to a game that they've sold to a casino, they might have some kind of agreement but since they get paid to give the source code of the game, they just do that and the game wouldn't be in their control at all. So if a game belongs to a certain developer being used by a casino and the casino is manipulating the results of that game, it is the casino that is doing it and not the game developer since they are not given access to the system.

However, there are casinos that develop their own original games just like Stake.com which has a bunch of original games that are developed by their own developers and aren't bought games from other developers. If a casino wants to do any manipulation, they can always do it in their own games.
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The question I have in mind is, aren't the developers the ones that should be responsible for any manipulation in the games or it's still possible for the casino team and members to manipulate the game engines?
Yes they are the responsible ones but the casino owners still has the final say when it comes to whether they want the game to be rigged, I mean the developers don't have a stake in the casino if they rigged it without the knowledge of the casino so I believe that the only time it's going to happen that a developer rigs the game is when they've been asked by the owners themselves.
As long as the casino knows how to change the codes in the game, the casino can change the codes to have more advantages. And the developer will no longer know if the game code is changed because the casino will not report it to the developer. This can be difficult to track unless someone can log into the game to check the codes and find anything odd or suspicious about the game.

Everything can still happen, especially if the developers want to cheat the casino. But the developers must have considered it and would not commit such fraud because it could affect their reputation. Moreover, if the developer has made many games that many casinos use, the developer will not want to do this cheating.

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It is entirely possible that the casinos who buy these games from the developers have full control of the games that are deployed in their platform. They have demo games that exist for a reason, and that is to lure people as much as possible by giving them increased win percentage on those in order to get the player deposit in the real thing. It would be foolish for the casinos to not have any type of control on their games and let the game developer do all of the tinkering on their own, because they won't get maximum profit on those games for sure.

Are you sure about this? Is there any source that confirms this or is it just your suggestions? In my opinion, if a casino has a different RTP in demo games and in games for money, then this is the most stupid because there will always be someone who will collect statistics and everyone will find out about such fraud (one way or another, this is fraud, although not too rude).

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The question I have in mind is, aren't the developers the ones that should be responsible for any manipulation in the games or it's still possible for the casino team and members to manipulate the game engines?

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To be honest, I don't have an answer to your question. what we say here is only based on assumptions and speculation, basically only the casino and game developers know whether there has been manipulation or not. however with the house edge setting in place, the casinos get their return. even so, it does not rule out the possibility that there is manipulation carried out by the developer or it could be, as you said, the team and casino members manipulated the game. it's just that, that simply means they have to have access to do the manipulation.

Frankly, I don't know if what I say is true or not. but as far as I know, usually every developer has designed in such a way how this game works, and how the casino benefits from the game. there is less possibility of manipulation, especially if we refer to casinos that have a trusted reputation. now that there are RTP and RNG making things that smell like manipulation by the casino are very unlikely to happen. although in fact, there is no guarantee for sure.

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I always consider games from one casino to be easily manipulated if the casino is the one that builds the game,

Most games that are created/developed by the casino usually use provably fair system so it wont be easy to be manipulated because smart gamblers will be able to catch it using the provably fair verifier.

when it comes to reputable online casinos, they always offer favourite games from trusty developers, this mean they don't build those games themselves.

In fact most crypto casinos in this forum started the business with their own original games, it will be long list if I have to mentioned them one by one.
If we are talking about the possible manipulation, provably fair games is better than those games from gaming providers because what you can do with games from 3rd party providers is just to trust them without any chance to verify your bets.
Most important thing is that reputation is not about the casino providing their own game or providing games from trusty providers.

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