cryptofrka's Merit Source application - let's improve the gambling boards

[BenCodie]

Disagree.

No one should be a merit source for one of the most unethical boards/sections of this forum. There is no shortage of merit for the amount of quality/merit worthy posts in the gambling section; which is very little in comparison to other, more important and non capitalistic boards of the forum.

I also think merits should not be focused on posts in this section. It does not positively contribute to the Bitcoin economy. It only concentrates wealth to unethical network participants who are exploring other users with unfair odds, ridiculous terms of service, extensive and intrusive kyc checks to ban accounts, questionable provably fair claims, and more.

What an irony. Yet you are participating in a campaign that promotes gambling. I do not see any reason why you would call it an unethical board/section of this forum. Everyone does not support unfair odds, ridiculous terms of service, or KYC checks to ban accounts. You are talking like whoever participates in the gambling section they are supporting those casinos.

If so, you are doing the same thing, my friend. Do you always see people visit the casino ANN thread and praise like OMG, this is the most trusted casino, please play here. People visit those sections to check what's going on On those platforms. They criticize platforms if they see something unfair. I do not see any reason why you are calling it an unethical board. Not all threads are casino ANN.

I love how people have a sook at who is paying for my signature space and use that as the only response to my otherwise quite valid opinion.

Sorry sir, do I have to not be a part of a signature campaign to have an opinion? If I wear a signature does that mean my opinion must also change? And if I have an opinion, does that mean I'm not allowed to share it if it has anything to do with the sector that my campaign sponsor is in?

Id the answer is yes, then it sounds like you're telling me to fall in line and that my opinion is also included in the purchase of my signature space. That definitely doesn't sound right

As for the question if gambling is unethical - it undoubtedly is. Casinos, gambling, etc have always been unethical. Why do you think some countries outright ban gambling activities? Because it's exploitative.

Then add all of the unjust actions toward players and the amount of scams and robberies made by casino administrators on top of gambling's already exploitative and unethical nature...that only validates that this board specifically is more unethical than most other boards here even further.

If you really think the gambling board is as ethical as other boards this forum contains, you're out of touch with basic ethics and probably lost in the casino sauce.

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[Rikafip]

If you really think the gambling board is as ethical as other boards this forum contains, you're out of touch with basic ethics.

Lol, guy that is willing to promote something that he thinks is highly unethical and exploitative for a little bit of bitcoin will teach us about ethics. 

[Don Pedro Dinero]

Well, I was coming here to say that I also support cryptofrka's application, as I understand that he is a person who spends a lot of time in the gambling section and can help distribute merit to quality posts that often get buried between rubbish pages.

But I'm also surprised that BenCodie is going as a moral defender here, I don't want to get too long with this because is kind of OT, but if you say this:

As for the question if gambling is unethical - it undoubtedly is.

What you need to do is to stop wearing a gambling ad on your signature, especially because you get paid for it. I don't know where you learned ethics, but where I'm from someone who lets himself be bought to advertise something he thinks is wrong is not only behaving in a morally wrong way, he is also a hypocrite.

[Rruchi man]

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If you have strong opinions, you should also have strong principles to suport it. You are not principled, if you were, you would never have agreed to apply and agree wear the signature and avatar to promote a casino here. Because of your unprincipled nature, you have no right to talk about ethics.

Also not all discussions in the gambling board is about casinos, some discussions under its subboard "gambling discussion" address and talk about issues relating to gambling.

I also think merits should not be focused on posts in this section. It does not positively contribute to the Bitcoin economy.

Gambling involves use of bitcoins, and there are gamblers who have a preference for gambling with bitcoins. Believe it or not, the fact that bitcoins can also be useful for gambling can be a reason why some people have gotten bitcoins.

[BenCodie]

I could not care less about anyone's opinion about me wearing a signature and being paid for it

As long as what I an advertising is not a scam, then I do not care.

If better services were offering campaigns, I'd go to them. But the fact is there are not.

If you really think the gambling board is as ethical as other boards this forum contains, you're out of touch with basic ethics.

Lol, guy that is willing to promote something that he thinks is highly unethical and exploitative for a little bit of bitcoin will teach us about ethics.  

I'm not promoting shit, they're leasing my sig space. I take zero responsibility for the service nor do I endorse it for as long as it's not a proven scam.

Good job picking one thing out of all of the valid parts of what I said and using it to invalidate my post. Great job, actually. Very effective. Dumbass.

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If you have strong opinions, you should also have strong principles to suport it. You are not principled, if you were, you would never have agreed to apply and agree wear the signature and avatar to promote a casino here. Because of your unprincipled nature, you have no right to talk about ethics.

Also not all discussions in the gambling board is about casinos, some discussions under its subboard "gambling discussion" address and talk about issues relating to gambling.

I also think merits should not be focused on posts in this section. It does not positively contribute to the Bitcoin economy.

Gambling involves use of bitcoins, and there are gamblers who have a preference for gambling with bitcoins. Believe it or not, the fact that bitcoins can also be useful for gambling can be a reason why some people have gotten bitcoins.

Discussion about gambling is not worthy of needing a merit source. My post stands.

My principles align with how the forum is conducted. If the principles of the forum were better, I would be better.
I know that I'm not a scammer, a gambler, a scumbag, or anyone who contributes negatively to this community. So, anyone's judgement means absolutely 0 to me. I know my code, and I know that it's reasoned, refined and fine.

Well, I was coming here to say that I also support cryptofrka's application, as I understand that he is a person who spends a lot of time in the gambling section and can help distribute merit to quality posts that often get buried between rubbish pages.

But I'm also surprised that BenCodie is going as a moral defender here, I don't want to get too long with this because is kind of OT, but if you say this:

As for the question if gambling is unethical - it undoubtedly is.

What you need to do is to stop wearing a gambling ad on your signature, especially because you get paid for it. I don't know where you learned ethics, but where I'm from someone who lets himself be bought to advertise something he thinks is wrong is not only behaving in a morally wrong way, he is also a hypocrite.

All of you go back to the gambling board where you all came from and belong. If you can't read and understand a high IQ post, don't respond to it with bs personal attacks about my signature.

I'm not a hypocrite for taking opportunity when it's available. And just because I wear a signature, thsn doesn't mean that should be a main focus to my valid opinion on a topic.

All of you have a common theme - low IQ.

[cryptofrka]

Please let's keep on topic.

@BenCodie - everybody has a right to their opinion, I understand and accept yours.
You already did disagree, so from now on keep your opinions that are not connected to the topic to yourself or feel free to open another thread for them.

All of you have a common theme - low IQ.

Considering your superior IQ, I'd really hate to keep you here any longer than necessary.

[digaran]

So you want to increase the quality of that section so that people be committing sins and lose their fortune at the same time but with a cleaner and fancy looking forum board?

Seems legit, I support it ( NOT), not that matters.😉

[LTU_btc]

I support your application. I think that most will agree that merit distribution isn't  big enough in gambling board. Yes, there lot of shitposts from users who have no idea about gambling or sports, but many good posts get no attention in terms of merit. I have impression that most of merits is distributed in bigger or smaller bubble of people who play in variious prediction pools and BSFL.

I could not care less about anyone's opinion about me wearing a signature and being paid for it

As long as what I an advertising is not a scam, then I do not care.

If better services were offering campaigns, I'd go to them. But the fact is there are not.

If you don't care about what other think, why do you think that your opinion should matter? You literally called casinos business unethical, but you're ok to advertise unethical business and get paid for it.
And it's just nonsense that gambling doesn't affect Bitcoin economy positively. Then I'm wondering what kind of business affect it positively. Because after all casinos is one of the most mainstream types of business related with Bitcoin.
@cryptofrka, sorry for offtopic.

[_BlackStar]

Please let's keep on topic.

Yep - I've come to support your idea, I hope you'll be a merit source on that board and help more quality build around the discussion.

As far as I'm concerned - anywhere merit are often shared there will be more effort from users trying to post something that makes sense and is unique. I think once there are many merit source of attention on the gambling board – then there is quality to be expected there.

cryptofrka - I hope your application gets approval from theymos, but please be patient because you will be in a queue. The merit system should be felt across all forum board ^{[without exception]} as long as there are quality posts to be had. It works the same no matter what board catches your attentions.

[holydarkness]

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Discussion about gambling is not worthy of needing a merit source. My post stands.

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If you bother to read the whole proposal made by OP, you'll come to see that the reason for being merit source request is that OP acknowledged the board can be a horrible place, and for that exact reason they asked to be a merit source, to improve the situation there so more good quality posts can be better appreciated and, from it, urged people posting on that board to write better.

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Final thoughts

Gambling boards are both a horrible place and a great one at the same time - depending on which threads you read.
I'd like to tip the scale in favor of the great ones a bit.

But, as on the earlier part of that quoted post you said this,

Good job picking one thing out of all of the valid parts of what I said and using it to invalidate my post. Great job, actually. Very effective. Dumbass.

allow me to return back to your initial argument,

Disagree.

No one should be a merit source for one of the most unethical boards/sections of this forum. There is no shortage of merit for the amount of quality/merit worthy posts in the gambling section; which is very little in comparison to other, more important and non capitalistic boards of the forum.

I also think merits should not be focused on posts in this section. It does not positively contribute to the Bitcoin economy. It only concentrates wealth to unethical network participants who are exploring other users with unfair odds, ridiculous terms of service, extensive and intrusive kyc checks to ban accounts, questionable provably fair claims, and more.

My 2 cents

Ironically, that board actually have some positive contribution to the bitcoin economy. There are a lot of gambling platforms that utilize crypto, thus a positive towards crypto economy. The gambling platforms on this forum also held raffles, competitions, and [as I am sure you're fully aware] signature campaigns, which kinda "distributes" helps keep the wheel of crypto economy roling by distributing some wealth to the cryptocommunity.

[1miau]

Disagree.

No one should be a merit source for one of the most unethical boards/sections of this forum. There is no shortage of merit for the amount of quality/merit worthy posts in the gambling section; which is very little in comparison to other, more important and non capitalistic boards of the forum.

I also think merits should not be focused on posts in this section. It does not positively contribute to the Bitcoin economy. It only concentrates wealth to unethical network participants who are exploring other users with unfair odds, ridiculous terms of service, extensive and intrusive kyc checks to ban accounts, questionable provably fair claims, and more.

What an irony. Yet you are participating in a campaign that promotes gambling. I do not see any reason why you would call it an unethical board/section of this forum.

BenCodie reminds me of that shitposter who advertised a gambling site in his signature but in his shitposts, he opposed gambling:



Why wearing a signature if you don't like such a site at all. 
Main problem are stupid (or greedy) campaign participants but of course campaign managers could shut this down as well. After all, such participants are just not suited to be any longer in such a campaign and getting paid an handsome amount of valuable BTC for opposing (any?) gambling site...

Discussion about gambling is not worthy of needing a merit source. My post stands.

Luckily, only a tiny minority is sharing your uneducated opinion. 


After all, cryptofrka knows very well where good posts in our Gambling section are under-merited and that's why in this topic is also massive support for cryptofrka's application. 

[Findingnemo]

It's been a while, so I just thought, why not give it a bump?

Currently gambling board is filled with a lot of spam, to be honest, but if this is going to help it to be a better place then I will support it and I believe this will encourage the members to make better posts in the gambling section so their posts will be considered for merits.

The gambling sector is one of the spaces where the crypto's growth is remarkable so let's make it a better place for the community too.

[JollyGood]

If you really think the gambling board is as ethical as other boards this forum contains, you're out of touch with basic ethics.

Lol, guy that is willing to promote something that he thinks is highly unethical and exploitative for a little bit of bitcoin will teach us about ethics.  

He is the same guy who was certain Whirlwind was a scam but decided not to not express his views because he wanted to get signed up on their signature campaign, clearly stating if he could earn from it he had no issues. Another example of lack of morals and ethics on his part.

What you need to do is to stop wearing a gambling ad on your signature, especially because you get paid for it. I don't know where you learned ethics, but where I'm from someone who lets himself be bought to advertise something he thinks is wrong is not only behaving in a morally wrong way, he is also a hypocrite.

Have you all read the same thing I did? What a stunning way for this deranged person to contradict himself.

All of you go back to the gambling board where you all came from and belong. If you can't read and understand a high IQ post, don't respond to it with bs personal attacks about my signature.

I'm not a hypocrite for taking opportunity when it's available. And just because I wear a signature, thsn doesn't mean that should be a main focus to my valid opinion on a topic.

All of you have a common theme - low IQ.

There you have it ladies and gentlemen of this wonderful forum our ours. According to this member, we all have low IQ and as for him he does not mind outing himself as a hypocrite by applying to join signature campaigns (which he is convinced are promoting scams) just be because he does not want to miss the opportunity to earn some BTC.

All of you have a common theme - low IQ.

Considering your superior IQ, I'd really hate to keep you here any longer than necessary.

I could not have expressed it better but 1miau did make a fantastic post that deserved a comment.

Please let's keep on topic.

The thread deserved a bump  

The overwhelming consensus in the thread supports your application. Have you received any initial response from theymos yet?

It's been a while, so I just thought, why not give it a bump?

Currently gambling board is filled with a lot of spam, to be honest, but if this is going to help it to be a better place then I will support it and I believe this will encourage the members to make better posts in the gambling section so their posts will be considered for merits.

The gambling sector is one of the spaces where the crypto's growth is remarkable so let's make it a better place for the community too.

I did not want signature spammers flooding my threads in the gambling board therefore I created self-moderated ones. Merits would be a good way to encourage quality posting but in my opinion when you have signature spammers flooding they have almost no interest in whether they receive merits for those posts or not, they simply want to get their weekly quota to be paid using all their farmed accounts.

Over the years I had contemplated on several occasions applying for merit source because I spent a lot of time in the sports threads I created in the gambling board. That was after I decided to give myself a needed break from searching for scams and posting about them. I had similar intentions/reasons mentioned earlier in this thread to apply for merit source but never got around to doing it. I suppose the only way to test if it were to be successful would be if a merit source starts concentrating specifically on that board.

If this application is accepted it will a good test to see what happens in the gambling board when those posting choose between trying to get merits for quality posts, or get no merits for low quality posts or get no merits for signature spamming.

[cryptofrka]

The overwhelming consensus in the thread supports your application. Have you received any initial response from theymos yet?

Nope, nothing yet. From experience that other applicants went through, I think you just eventually receive a message or you don't - depending on his decision

Let's also be honest - 1 merit source is far from enough to drastically improve the situation on the gambling boards.
Still, it would be a good small step forward for the betterment of the most active area of the forum.

[JollyGood]

As I alluded to in the previous post, what would be the possible effect of having one merit source in the gambling board actively giving merits to quality posts versus say for example those that do not care for anything except spamming in order to meet their signature campaign quote?

What happens if you raise the number to say two or five merit sources. I created self-moderated threads in the gambling section to keep them legible and it has worked well because even though post numbers have dropped since I started deleting low quality posts and spam, it means those flooding with signature campaigns can go and do it somewhere else.

I am unsure if merit source alone will get the gambling boards to a better level, I think it self-moderated threads are already helping immensely in that process therefore merits would be an added component (not vice-versa).

I have seen others applying for merit source but cannot recall announcement from any member stating they had become merit source. Your is an application in a current long list, let us see how this will play out. Maybe you will receive that message soon 

The overwhelming consensus in the thread supports your application. Have you received any initial response from theymos yet?

Nope, nothing yet. From experience that other applicants went through, I think you just eventually receive a message or you don't - depending on his decision

Let's also be honest - 1 merit source is far from enough to drastically improve the situation on the gambling boards.
Still, it would be a good small step forward for the betterment of the most active area of the forum.

[Franctoshi]

Let's also be honest - 1 merit source is far from enough to drastically improve the situation on the gambling boards.
Still, it would be a good small step forward for the betterment of the most active area of the forum.

The journey of a thousand miles begins with one step,  So let's take one step before another,  You've indeed done a great job on your end in creating self-moderated threads and I agree with your point, but on the other hand,  I also agree with the idea of cryptofrka as I do hope this will likely bring more improvement to this board as regards to improving post quality and will a kind of discourage spamming in this board a bit.

So I pledge my full support.

[BenCodie]

If you really think the gambling board is as ethical as other boards this forum contains, you're out of touch with basic ethics.

Lol, guy that is willing to promote something that he thinks is highly unethical and exploitative for a little bit of bitcoin will teach us about ethics. 

He is the same guy who was certain Whirlwind was a scam but decided not to not express his views because he wanted to get signed up on their signature campaign, clearly stating if he could earn from it he had no issues. Another example of lack of morals and ethics on his part.

Proof that JollyGood doesn't read my responses to anything to-date.
Not responding.

But this....

What you need to do is to stop wearing a gambling ad on your signature, especially because you get paid for it. I don't know where you learned ethics, but where I'm from someone who lets himself be bought to advertise something he thinks is wrong is not only behaving in a morally wrong way, he is also a hypocrite.

Have you all read the same thing I did? What a stunning way for this deranged person to contradict himself.

All of you go back to the gambling board where you all came from and belong. If you can't read and understand a high IQ post, don't respond to it with bs personal attacks about my signature.

I'm not a hypocrite for taking opportunity when it's available. And just because I wear a signature, thsn doesn't mean that should be a main focus to my valid opinion on a topic.

All of you have a common theme - low IQ.

There you have it ladies and gentlemen of this wonderful forum our ours. According to this member, we all have low IQ and as for him he does not mind outing himself as a hypocrite by applying to join signature campaigns (which he is convinced are promoting scams) just be because he does not want to miss the opportunity to earn some BTC.

There you have it ladies and gentlemen, JollyGood modifying quotes and probably lying, by claiming Don't Pedro Dinero's post as mine, and using it to lay false accusations and comments.

Here is the post from the real author - Don't Pedro Dinero.

Well, I was coming here to say that I also support cryptofrka's application, as I understand that he is a person who spends a lot of time in the gambling section and can help distribute merit to quality posts that often get buried between rubbish pages.

But I'm also surprised that BenCodie is going as a moral defender here, I don't want to get too long with this because is kind of OT, but if you say this:

As for the question if gambling is unethical - it undoubtedly is.

What you need to do is to stop wearing a gambling ad on your signature, especially because you get paid for it. I don't know where you learned ethics, but where I'm from someone who lets himself be bought to advertise something he thinks is wrong is not only behaving in a morally wrong way, he is also a hypocrite.

Please let's keep on topic.

The thread deserved a bump 

Yep, I'm sure that's why you posted...because the thread needed a bump

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[PytagoraZ]

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Well done, buddy

Keep voicing what's in your head and don't make the campaign a prison and shackle what's in your head. I know you have good character and thoughts even though you seem ambitious and stubborn (maybe like me  ). However, not many people like to discuss on this forum, most people see this forum as a place to make money. Maybe you are one of the people who likes to discuss here, and ideally a member is like that. So, slaughter anyone who disagrees and invite them to discuss with clear arguments

Go.. go.. go..  
btw.. it seems my comment is off topic

[JollyGood]

Thank you. The spammers do not bother going to most self-moderated threads because they are worried about having their posts deleted as soon as they come across as low quality or spam. I think that is the best way forward but dangling the merits carrot could have a profound effect too. It is good to see you and many others support the OP in his application.

Let's also be honest - 1 merit source is far from enough to drastically improve the situation on the gambling boards.
Still, it would be a good small step forward for the betterment of the most active area of the forum.

The journey of a thousand miles begins with one step,  So let's take one step before another,  You've indeed done a great job on your end in creating self-moderated threads and I agree with your point, but on the other hand,  I also agree with the idea of cryptofrka as I do hope this will likely bring more improvement to this board as regards to improving post quality and will a kind of discourage spamming in this board a bit.

So I pledge my full support.

[digaran]

You seem to care a lot more than a friend, about this application, for an outsider this could be seen as if you have monetary incentive if OP is accepted as a merit source.

I don't know maybe your recent attack on me was a wake up call to inspect your close circle merit/trust activities just to make sure there is no account/merit farming.

Of course I'm not accusing anyone of anything, just saying you are a bit too much invested in this topic.  And honestly for someone who uses negative feedback for things that happened 5 years ago with no shame or remorse, I'd say merit/account/trust/ power farming is as easy and shameless.


Not that my scammy/ untrustworthy opinion matters, it's just my obligation to point out what I can observe and consider suspicious.