Alt account or loan defaulter [Obari]

[AHOYBRAUSE]

Well firstly I want to thank everyone who have shown interest in this thread and secondly  for those who have been active on the lending board would have seen me in several cases and I've had about 3 times loan from shashan and there was a time I was given $150 loan and got scammed but I still cleared up the loan.

I've been battling with my health and most of the loans I've taken so far are for my health issues  and I also have a phone with very poor battery, a Samsung galaxy s9 edge which is even broken badly and since  last week, it has been so blur that you barely read from the screen and I also told @shashan about my health and also the phone.
quote author=Obari link=topic=5030169.msg62696427#msg62696427 date=1692034157]

Hello sir
I still have an outstanding  loan of $12 with you, and I will be needing a $500 loan to pay in 10 weeks but the $12 will ne deducted from my loan which implies that I will receive  $488 from you and expected to pay $500 plus agreed interest  in 10 weeks.
If its fine by you, then we can talk further about.
Thanks in anticipation for a favorable response from you.

I am sorry but I am not going to accept your loan request.

I respect your decisions sir but I think it will be fair enough if you give me some clue to why you turned me down because last I checked, I haven't failed not even for once on my loan terms and I've been very respectful in time past and the only time it seems I got you angry was because I wasn't familiar  with sending usdt on binance and I use a Samsung  s9 with a poor battery health and the phone went off in the middle of our conversation  which I responded to as soon as I got the phone charged.

Its fine if you don't want to offer me another loan but I'm sincerely  sorry for whatever way I must have wronged you and I hope this doesn't  ruine our business relationship.

I also want to say a very big thank you for all the help so far, I'm grateful  and I hope to pay off the remaining  $12 within the week. Thanks 😔

I've known sakanwa from childhood and I can always attest for him and since my phone has been bad, I've  been logging in my account with his phone most times and it has really dragged me backward for over three weeks or so because I haven't been able to meet up with my work in my signature  campaign because I have to share sakanwa's phone with him and you know mistakes do happen and sakanwa is a totally different  entity  all together which i believe  many other persons might know him in person in the local board and I have been pairing with him on his phone and if something like this happens then is a mistake.

I want to correct that Obari isn't a loan defaulter neither do I have any alt what so ever.

Wait a minute.
I was just brushing my teeth and for some reason thought about this case again.
Obari's “explanation” was that he uses Sakanwa’s phone.

Something doesn’t add up here.

So did Sakanwa reply with Obari’s account because it was still logged in?
Also I don't know if we mentioned this, but why does he write: "I want to correct that Obari isn't a loan defaulter neither do I have any alt what so ever."

Who wrote this reply? Obari? Sakanwa? Why would he refer to himself as Obari instead of "I" but writes "I don't have any alt" some words later?

I'm just a bit confused here.

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[Poker Player]

Wait a minute.
I was just brushing my teeth and for some reason thought about this case again.
Obari's “explanation” was that he uses Sakanwa’s phone.

Something doesn’t add up here.

So did Sakanwa reply with Obari’s account because it was still logged in?
Also I don't know if we mentioned this, but why does he write: "I want to correct that Obari isn't a loan defaulter neither do I have any alt what so ever."

Who wrote this reply? Obari? Sakanwa? Why would he refer to himself as Obari instead of "I" but writes "I don't have any alt" some words later?

I'm just a bit confused here.

In these cases the simplest explanation is the true one. We cannot be 100% sure but we can be something like 99.9% sure. It is not only in that text, later he also wrote something similar.

I swear with my life that I have no connections with any alt account and Obari  is an entirely different person and I've worked earnestly and given all my best to grow my account.

Why do you talk about yourself in the third person? Did you forget again that you are logged in with Obari's account? For me you have so many alts that you can't make yourself clear. Something like the one who has multiple personalities but in the forum. From time to time they mess up.

This type of multi-accounts when they are caught what they do is to invent sophisticated stories to see if they can get rid of the punishment, they put some element to make the story a sobbing one and make people feel sorry for them. I remember in the case of martyns when he was caught with that he was not the original owner of the account, because it had been created by an Indonesian and he wrote from Nigeria, he said that he had a brother in Indonesia who had given him the account. It could be seen in the comments on the subject that there were people who felt sorry for him.

The case went so far that it started a debate on whether to tag for buying accounts.

Discussion on buying/selling accounts/users actively seeking possible bought acc

But now look, it has been reliably discovered that he was part of a much bigger ring. It wasn't just about buying an account.

[Mahdirakib]

Sakanwa participates in a signature campaign with Hhampuz and I would say that from past experience, he does not, at least automatically, kick participants out of the campaigns he runs for a couple of red tags.

Hhampuz has kicked out Lordhermes from the campaign yesterday as his account received some negative feedbacks recently. Where Sakanwa hasn't received any negative feedback yet as he is getting the benefits of the doubt. As a result, his name is still in the spreadsheet. Sakanwa tried his best to meet the weekly post requirement, but he has failed to do it as one of his post was made after the campaign weekly post count time.

Perhaps, Sakanwa won't say anything here as long as his account isn't at risk with negative feedback. And he won't repay the loan (remaining amount) if he gets kicked out from the campaign without getting the payment from upcoming weeks.

[AHOYBRAUSE]

For those who care, cyber cowboy informed me that the loan has finally been paid in full.

Yet I think this case should not be forgotten (it feels like it).

Did our community detectives find out anything new? I wouldn't be surprised if there are more accounts involved since we already read about plenty. Seems like Obari/Sakanwa just continued living their lives like nothing happened.

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For those who care, cyber cowboy informed me that the loan has finally been paid in full.

Why did he only say that to you, why don't you make an update in his scam accusation thread? With proof of course.
If he cannot access his account, he can always use another account with an address signing to prove that it is him.

That is so frivolous and opens up all possibilities. But as far as I can see from the feedback, both accounts (cyber cowboy and Rohan Kotkar) are actually connected and probably alt accounts. So, a big red flag for all involved in this bullshit.

[AHOYBRAUSE]

For those who care, cyber cowboy informed me that the loan has finally been paid in full.

Why did he only say that to you, why don't you make an update in his scam accusation thread? With proof of course.
If he cannot access his account, he can always use another account with an address signing to prove that it is him.

That is so frivolous and opens up all possibilities. But as far as I can see from the feedback, both accounts (cyber cowboy and Rohan Kotkar) are actually connected and probably alt accounts. So, a big red flag for all involved in this bullshit.

Don't shoot the messenger man and you could ask these question in a better tone.
I just updated here because I had time and thought it's a good idea since cg said it himself after he gets paid he is out of here.
Also, there is no scam accusation thread about sakanwa, I just checked and I didn't find any. The communication was all in his general lending thread.

He proved in this thread that he is who he is: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5445759.msg62745873#msg62745873

I just updated here to not forget about the Obari/Sakanwa/others connection, not more and not less.

[Mahdirakib]

For those who care, cyber cowboy informed me that the loan has finally been paid in full.

Have you verified it by asking 'CYBER_COWBOY' on telegram recently?

I just updated here because I had time and thought it's a good idea since cg said it himself after he gets paid he is out of here.

Sakanwa had requested for one month extension to repay the loan on 24th August. On the 27th August, Cantlogin confirmed that he received a part of the repayment amount and the remaining amount will be sent later (based on an agreement).

He still got 0.00085BTC to pay back, and we have come to an agreement when that payment is gonna be, so he has no outstanding loan with me anymore.

I don't know what kind of agreement they made, but the loan repayment address hasn't received any transaction of 0.00085 BTC from Sakanwa or any other address after the first repayment. I'm wondering in which method Sakanwa has repaid the remaining BTC loan!

[Timelord2067]

You're new here, aren't you? 😜

Your welcome! 

Hello PS34

(amongst a whole lot of other alts)

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Don't shoot the messenger man and you could ask these question in a better tone.
I just updated here because I had time and thought it's a good idea since cg said it himself after he gets paid he is out of here.
Also, there is no scam accusation thread about sakanwa, I just checked and I didn't find any. The communication was all in his general lending thread.

After everything we have seen in all the cases with the c_cowboy, manipulation, lies, fabrications... That is why we accept all the information coming from his kitchen with a great deal of suspicion.
Don't forget that he started a lending service where he applied for a loan with his own sock puppet accounts.
If you are already a messenger, make sure that it does not sound like you are vouching for him with all his alternative accounts and the drama he was making.

[AHOYBRAUSE]

Don't shoot the messenger man and you could ask these question in a better tone.
I just updated here because I had time and thought it's a good idea since cg said it himself after he gets paid he is out of here.
Also, there is no scam accusation thread about sakanwa, I just checked and I didn't find any. The communication was all in his general lending thread.

After everything we have seen in all the cases with the c_cowboy, manipulation, lies, fabrications... That is why we accept all the information coming from his kitchen with a great deal of suspicion.
Don't forget that he started a lending service where he applied for a loan with his own sock puppet accounts.
If you are already a messenger, make sure that it does not sound like you are vouching for him with all his alternative accounts and the drama he was making.

How and where was I vouching for him? He didn't ask me to provide this information, I just did it because it seems I am the only one still interested in this story.
Please show me where I did "vouch for him" . Because I gave him a positive feedback months ago isn't it. Yes I did, and it stays there, because he gave me a small loan without collateral which I appreciated.
Other than that we just spoke about life in general because we both live as expats in Asia, that's all.

Anyway, as Mahdirakib asked, yes I am in contact with him via telegram and that's where I asked him if the case is settled by now, and it was last Sunday, that's all. How and where he paid, I don't know, I just heard that he did and that's all that matters.

So in other words, the loan dilemma is done, now only the multi account accusation about all of them is still there.

[JeromeTash]

I just updated here to not forget about the Obari/Sakanwa/others connection, not more and not less.

We haven't forgotten about Obari/Sakanwa and group and DT members will tag him and his alt accounts or will not, according to how they view it. In my opinion Obari can not be trusted right from offenses like using stolen/sold accounts, borrowing loans using his multiple accounts at ago (I see a planned exit scam) to cheating, lying, and ban evasion.

[CYBER_COWBOY]

I was not supposed to get back here, because this is a place for kids, but let's get back with one message for clarification.

First yes Sakanwa has paid back the loan, how he did it is only mine and he's business. I really dont understand why you attacking AHOYBRAUSE about it?
AHOYBRAUSE asked me, I explaind how it was, he wanted to share it with you, even that it's not any of your business, I see it's kind of him.

And this that I should be ALT of half the world...  @NotATether @examplens and all other's I don't bother to search it up, you are nothing else then mentally ill pea brains.

If you gonna come with accusing like this, first come up with proof, but it's not any, just speculations.. because I am not an ALT of anyone and it's so obvious if you own a brain.
Let's check a bit...... Rohan (Indian)....PS34 (Morocco)...Smarty14392 (no idea where he is from)....elmanchez (speaks Russian it seems, but from some other country diarrheawolf said.

If this was true, this BS it means I would be able to speak... like 4-6 different languages.... Then I would for sure not be on this sad place.
You are so out of your mind so it's only cute. You only speculate, nothing more, and you have wrong.

Anyway, thanks for a good laugh and good luck with your life's you really need it, some of you are fucking over 50 years with kids and sitting here and act police instead of spending time with your kids, embarrassing humans.

But if you actually would find proof that I am an ALT of anyone. I challenge you. I will give that person 0.05BTC now you have to do for the rest of the week also.


@suchmoon   @Stalker22   @Bitcoin_Arena   - And you can remove your feedback. or not... I don't give a fuck to be honest.


What all of you think is irrelevant and nobody care, come back with what you KNOW and have PROOF of next time your clowns.

To all the people that actually tried to help me and the bitcointalk forum admin. A big THANK YOU!

Now I am out to  the real life.... Enjoy your time in here.

[PytagoraZ]

First yes Sakanwa has paid back the loan, how he did it is only mine and he's business.

I don't follow the discussion in this thread. I read a little and most importantly I am happy if you have your money back.

Have a nice day

[FatFork]

But if you actually would find proof that I am an ALT of anyone. I challenge you. I will give that person 0.05BTC now you have to do for the rest of the week also.

archived

You are an alt of Cantlogin.

Proof:

Signed message:

MESSAGE: CYBERCOWBOYWANTSMONEYBACK

SIGNATURE: IDxFxp7LWaAV/23t/G4BYzM7m54Z2HiWomJ3qFBmAiC7MpDUe6P/QXAy3om0U2zleQCYRuKbUYvmXrOqtLXKiQk=

WALLET: bc1qx63eg9egx7qwaw4pwr25zzu9sxp8u03n5hknam

Please pay back 0.00224BTC not later then 23/08/23 to BTC adress: bc1qx63eg9egx7qwaw4pwr25zzu9sxp8u03n5hknam

Archive: https://ninjastic.space/post/62587912


Now, about that bounty reward...

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Please show me where I did "vouch for him" .

Please show me where I say that you vouch for him.
This?

If you are already a messenger, make sure that it does not sound like you are vouching for him with all his alternative accounts and the drama he was making.

Because I gave him a positive feedback months ago isn't it. Yes I did, and it stays there, because he gave me a small loan without collateral which I appreciated.
Other than that we just spoke about life in general because we both live as expats in Asia, that's all.

I neither alluded nor investigated any of this. I didn't even check if you left him feedback, I didn't research or analyze anything about you two. Although you defend yourself aggressively, it sounds weird.

I was not supposed to get back here, because this is a place for kids, but let's get back with one message for clarification.

So, your account was not hacked?

I really dont understand why you attacking AHOYBRAUSE about it?
AHOYBRAUSE asked me, I explaind how it was, he wanted to share it with you, even that it's not any of your business, I see it's kind of him.

Why did only you and AHOYBRAUSE see the attack on him? /I honestly don't even care about the reason, it's more of a rhetorical question

But if you actually would find proof that I am an ALT of anyone. I challenge you. I will give that person 0.05BTC now you have to do for the rest of the week also.

You now owe FatFork 0.05 BTC, I hope you will show that you are a person who keeps his word.

[AHOYBRAUSE]

Please show me where I did "vouch for him" .

Please show me where I say that you vouch for him.
This?

If you are already a messenger, make sure that it does not sound like you are vouching for him with all his alternative accounts and the drama he was making.

Because I gave him a positive feedback months ago isn't it. Yes I did, and it stays there, because he gave me a small loan without collateral which I appreciated.
Other than that we just spoke about life in general because we both live as expats in Asia, that's all.

I neither alluded nor investigated any of this. I didn't even check if you left him feedback, I didn't research or analyze anything about you two. Although you defend yourself aggressively, it sounds weird.

I was not supposed to get back here, because this is a place for kids, but let's get back with one message for clarification.

So, your account was not hacked?

I really dont understand why you attacking AHOYBRAUSE about it?
AHOYBRAUSE asked me, I explaind how it was, he wanted to share it with you, even that it's not any of your business, I see it's kind of him.

Why did only you and AHOYBRAUSE see the attack on him? /I honestly don't even care about the reason, it's more of a rhetorical question

But if you actually would find proof that I am an ALT of anyone. I challenge you. I will give that person 0.05BTC now you have to do for the rest of the week also.

You now owe FatFork 0.05 BTC, I hope you will show that you are a person who keeps his word.

"make sure that it does not sound like you are vouching for him", that sounds pretty much like it.
I'm just not a fan of people making assumptions or accusations out of thin air.
I just updated here because I thought it's the right thing to do. All you do was complain and tell me to update in a scam accusation thread that doesn't even exist. 

But anyway, you do you, it's fine.

All the fuss has nothing to do with the original topic Shasan opened, so why even talk about it.

Since this matter is closed anyway I will now unfollow this thread to avoid further waste of time or discussions, I think we both have better things to do, for example wondering when sinbad refills the payment address. 

[shasan]

All the fuss has nothing to do with the original topic Shasan opened, so why even talk about it.

Since this matter is closed anyway I will now unfollow this thread to avoid further waste of time or discussions, I think we both have better things to do, for example wondering when sinbad refills the payment address.  Grin

This topic has almost no value as there is no engagement and it is decided by a lot of people that the fact is about alt account though the accused person idn't agree but could not provide any evidence argument behind it. Now I also want to ignore the topic as a result I am going to lock the topic.