benalexis12
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November 16, 2023, 10:49:33 PM |
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Most people know that Bitcoin has been tested for long-term holdings, and if you want short-term trading, it is also possible as long as you have deep experience in daily trading.
Now, if you really want to experience large-scale income here in cryptocurrency, you just need to be ready to take a risk in new altcoin projects. It requires a wise choice and proper research so that the capital you will use here is not wasted.
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Onyeeze
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November 16, 2023, 11:00:46 PM |
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I will advice you to go into bitcoin instead of altcoins investment so therefore I have to in other ways understand the difference between altcoins and bitcoin, altcoins does not have the courage and potential bitcoin has and that is why everyone is investing in bitcoin instead of altcoins, when you come in terms of potential is bitcoin when you xome interms of coins that survive bullrun and bullish is same bitcoin who survive all this things without all this kind of things, so therefore, you can neither invest in bitcoin or you invest in altcoins depends your plan's
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November 17, 2023, 05:22:10 AM |
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I am never going to be one of those that believe that altcoins are not worth investing your money on, because altcoins play a big part on my journey to success in the past years, the only thing here is understanding the difference between altcoins and Bitcoin investment, and the best advice is to never put all your eggs into one basket.
Altcoins investment Facts.
1. Most altcoins don't ever see a new all time high again, once they do well in a bull market it's over for them.
2. Most altcoins won't survive in a bear market, before a new bull market gets here they would have died.
3. It's only in altcoins space that scams exists, there are many new projects that are showing up only to take peoples money and exit liquidity on the investors.
4. New altcoins brings the biggest ROI but they are also the most risky investment, if they go down they go down hard and fast.
Bitcoin investment Facts.
1. There is no reason to be scared of scam when investing in Bitcoin, it isn't a smart contract enabled project like Ethereum.
2. Bitcoin always makes a new all time high.
3. You only lose if you sell your Bitcoin, unlike altcoins that can go down and never go up while you holding them.
4. You need good amount of money invested in Bitcoin to make better ROI, Compared to altcoins, investing only 100$ in a good alt can bring you better ROI than investing 100$ in Bitcoin.
In fact, investing in altcoins as you mentioned is basically very high risk, and it has been proven that many people suffer losses due to investing in altcoins, but most people always have a greedy nature and want to get big profits, including myself, I also always have a greedy nature, because I also always invest in altcoins, but of course I am ready to take the risk if I experience a loss investing in altcoins. In fact, investing in Bitcoin requires a large amount of capital because with small capital it will be difficult to get large profits, but I also invest in BTC, there is no doubt because only investing in BTC is the safest and I myself always invest large.because I believe investing in btc is the safest as you mentioned. However, investing in altcoins and BTC is certainly not free from risks, the most important thing is to only invest money that you are ready to lose. and in this case it depends on an investor's knowledge in managing their assets.
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November 17, 2023, 06:41:18 AM |
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They have already told you, it is the bitcoinn, the alts are not safe, if you want something secure you can venture to buy rq bticoin, because it is the most secure it gives, for now for a lifetime, the rest you still have to complicate and possibly lose money Well, buy an alt because it is what we do to make our lives easier that alts make money? Yes, they give it, but just as they give it, they are the most unsafe there is, if you want security, buy bitcoin, there is no loss there, buy the amount you want, because in a while, because you don't know when, it will go up a lot, and if you buy Now you will have more beneficial earnings because if it rises to more than 100 thousand USD you will be grateful.
There is no doubt that bitcoin is a better choice because as stronger the bitcoin is no altcoin become so stronger ever. In my opinion no other coin can be more moneymaking than bitcoin so if we choose altcoins then some of these are also moneymaking but in comparison bitcoin will always win. In term of trust and existence bitcoin is more valuable whereas altcoins existence has no guarantee. Altcoins can sometimes give huge profit but as there is a doubt about its existence so its huge profit is neglected because they can easily disappear in a day. Buying bitcoin will be profitable now as present worth can determine your profit during halving.
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November 17, 2023, 07:07:45 AM |
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In summary: Starting with an initial investment of $26,000, you could potentially make $370,000 - $420,000.
This is a great numbers to consider but I doubt that there is such an easy way like that , while it is good that you mentioned Bitcoin but I don't understand considering Borrowing just to invest in Altcoins . and also this is obviously something that others will not follow because this is Bitcoin section and most of people here are Bitcoin supporters . Most people know that Bitcoin has been tested for long-term holdings, and if you want short-term trading, it is also possible as long as you have deep experience in daily trading.
Now, if you really want to experience large-scale income here in cryptocurrency, you just need to be ready to take a risk in new altcoin projects. It requires a wise choice and proper research so that the capital you will use here is not wasted.
Risking is part of crypto journey as from day 1 we already have that situation and we already accept that , yes I am also in diversification but adjusting or borrowing to buy altcoin will never be in my option , instead I will continue my holding .
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November 17, 2023, 10:17:06 AM |
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OP, everyone has his or her own choice of investment regarding cryptocurrency in general, you are meant to make your choice regardless of any advice you get here, but the truth is going by the happenings in the digital currency world bitcoin remains unbeatable for now, pending if there will be another stuff that will be created to overrun it, practical example this my comment is, whenever thereby appreciation in Bitcoin price other crypto currency follows that's to say that bitcoin control other crypto in terms upward and downward price, so tell me OP, if you were to chose now which of these will you go for, altcoin or Bitcoin, am convinced that you actually know what to do, you just wanted more insight. Am not over parsing bitcoin, I don't want to be misunderstood by the audience, I just feel that, it is better to say what I know than to lead people astray, if it is in terms of diversification or making alternatives to you investment, this is when we can talk about altcoin.
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As good as this may sound, you failed to add that the $30,000 you borrowed could become 0$ if care is not taken. As far as altcoins are concerned, nothing is guaranteed, it could swing both ways. So, while you are expecting to see your $30,000 become $300,000, also expect it to become $1. You have to be very wise with your investment plans. You could make quick bucks from altcoins, and I you can also lose all, that's the bottom line.
Bitcoin can swing in anyways, but with knowledge and understanding of Bitcoin you can achieve success, it’s not wise to invest what you don’t know, that is why it is important to know have idea on what you’re doing than to invest blindly, the market is very volatile one and the risk involved is not undisputed, people need to understand that they are losses in investing in bitcoin. When you invest in Cryptocurrencies, always invest the amount you are ready to lose. There is a huge fluctuation on daily basis. One day you might be the King and the other day you won’t be near to a beggar, yes that happens. Bitcoin fell from $34 to $1 to reach $100 in 2011. You must invest only if you are ready to lose the money. On the other hand, you can make 2 times, 5 times, 100 times profit for the risk you bear. Coming to Bitcoin vs Altcoin, Investing in Bitcoin is a safer option, but the growth in Altcoin is tremendous and quick. There are many Altcoin which grew around 1000% in 8 months. With such profit, risk follows. While Altcoin is riskier when compared to Bitcoin. Bitcoin has a stable growth & drop, but Altcoin growth and drop is exponential. Altcoins could make you a millionaire in less than a week and could also make you broke in less than a day. No one is disputing the relevance and importance of knowledge and information in this space, however, special care must be taken when investing in altcoins. Bitcoin could swing in any direction, agreed, but with Bitcoin, you are sure of growth, regardless of what the present circumstances may be.
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November 17, 2023, 12:21:59 PM |
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It actually depends on your individual’s choice of investment. Research is the key. Don’t just listen to other people’s ideas and advices but have your own research and analysis on what kind of investment that will work for you. If you prefer long term investment, then I suggest focus on bitcoin. But if you are after with short term investments, altcoins are seen more profitable but make sure that you are hodling on highly potential altcoins that don’t easily lose their value and fall into zero. Otherwise, you will only fall on its trap as altcoins are nothing but a pump and dump scheme.
I have made significant profits with both bitcoin and altcoins. However, if you chose to invest with lower risk yet the profits are life changing, then stick to bitcoin. But never expect huge profits too quickly as bitcoin will surely be incapable of that. Just invest and hold it for long term. You will certainly not lose if you sell high and buy low, simple but tested and proven strategy.
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November 17, 2023, 01:08:23 PM |
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-snip- Risking is part of crypto journey as from day 1 we already have that situation and we already accept that , yes I am also in diversification but adjusting or borrowing to buy altcoin will never be in my option , instead I will continue my holding .
Diversification can be applied with a note that the selection of altcoins and main coins must be appropriate, must be top altcoins, and have good development. Don't just diversify based on rumors and other people's advice without doing your own research. But when someone suggests holding ETH it becomes the best altcoin choice. and Diverisifkasi adjusts to the capital you have, but if you take out a loan for altcoin investment, it will be more risky, because crypto is very volatile while the loan will continue to run along with the interest charged.
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November 17, 2023, 01:11:12 PM |
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They have already told you, it is the bitcoinn, the alts are not safe, if you want something secure you can venture to buy rq bticoin, because it is the most secure it gives, for now for a lifetime, the rest you still have to complicate and possibly lose money Well, buy an alt because it is what we do to make our lives easier that alts make money? Yes, they give it, but just as they give it, they are the most unsafe there is, if you want security, buy bitcoin, there is no loss there, buy the amount you want, because in a while, because you don't know when, it will go up a lot, and if you buy Now you will have more beneficial earnings because if it rises to more than 100 thousand USD you will be grateful.
There is no doubt that bitcoin is a better choice because as stronger the bitcoin is no altcoin become so stronger ever. In my opinion no other coin can be more moneymaking than bitcoin so if we choose altcoins then some of these are also moneymaking but in comparison bitcoin will always win. In term of trust and existence bitcoin is more valuable whereas altcoins existence has no guarantee. Altcoins can sometimes give huge profit but as there is a doubt about its existence so its huge profit is neglected because they can easily disappear in a day. Buying bitcoin will be profitable now as present worth can determine your profit during halving. Dont you think that trading is all about finding the right balance between risk and knowledge? Sure, Bitcoin is like a friend you've had for years who is always there and dependable. Yet altcoins? Definitely unpredictable, but could also be very beneficial. Just think about it: isnt it exciting to find your way around the unknown world of altcoins? Okay, so their future might look like a big question mark, but what if you know enough to see promise where other people see doubt? Altcoins might be like special gems that are just ready to be discovered and shown off. Remember that taking calculated risks can lead to big benefits. Although Bitcoin makes you feel safe, dont rule out the appeal of altcoins. They could bring awesome returns if you know what you're doing and are willing to take risks. For truly amazing results, you sometimes have to experiment and play a few notes that arent planned. How to open it? Its best to stay knowledgeable and flexible.
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Looks like this a personal preference type of question, doesn't really feel like it should be something that some other person could tell you, I agree with that. I mean I personally will do like %50+ bitcoin, I know that much, I will have some other coins too, but bitcoin is a must for me, in fact if I turn to %100 bitcoin right now, I would not really feel bad about it neither (maybe I will) and I think that is the most epic approach to crypto and the bull run. HOwever, that is totally me, I do not think that I would tell anyone what to do, I would just let those people end up making their decision, and I would not tell you to go get bitcoin or altcoin neither, that just doesn't make sense.
It doesn't make sense for anyone to tell someone which altcoin they should buy. Everyone should make their own choice on this matter. There are many people who do what others say and lose money. There are people on X who have thousands of followers and are deceiving people for publicity. People need to research and be informed, otherwise they are investing in other people's ideas and end up feeling sad. It is very easy to find a lot of the information you are looking for on the internet. Before trusting anyone regarding investment, a person needs to work to become informed himself. I tell the person who wants to invest that I trust Bitcoin in my investment and that it does not cause any losses in the long run, but I generally avoid saying anything about any altcoin. I leave all the decision to him.
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November 19, 2023, 11:04:49 AM |
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-snip- Risking is part of crypto journey as from day 1 we already have that situation and we already accept that , yes I am also in diversification but adjusting or borrowing to buy altcoin will never be in my option , instead I will continue my holding .
Diversification can be applied with a note that the selection of altcoins and main coins must be appropriate, must be top altcoins, and have good development. Don't just diversify based on rumors and other people's advice without doing your own research. But when someone suggests holding ETH it becomes the best altcoin choice. and Diverisifkasi adjusts to the capital you have, but if you take out a loan for altcoin investment, it will be more risky, because crypto is very volatile while the loan will continue to run along with the interest charged.The cryptocurrency market is very risky so the idea of borrowing money to invest is not a wise idea even if we invest in bitcoin, not altcoins. But it depends on each person, I think if you have a stable source of income and can still afford to repay those loans even if the investment fails, then borrowing money can be considered, but this really should not be recommended. As for investing in bitcoin or altcoin, I think it depends on each person's taste. If someone likes safety then they should obviously choose bitcoin but if someone is willing to take risks in search of high returns then they can think of altcoins. The most important thing is that anyone who wants to invest should do their own research before investing instead of asking others for their opinions. Investing based on other people's advice will make us lose money even if it is bitcoin because we will never be able to hold bitcoin for long if we know nothing about it. I don't want to give advice on whether to invest in bitcoin or altcoins, I just want to advise anyone thinking about investing in cryptocurrency to do their research first.
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Many people in the crypto market are still uncertain about which type of asset to hold onto for the upcoming growth cycle of the crypto market: Bitcoin or Altcoins. Additionally, they're wondering when to catch the bottom or exit at the peak. As we know from previous cycles, Bitcoin tends to rise first, attracting the influx of funds, followed by new funds flowing into Altcoins. However, holding onto Bitcoin might not yield substantial profits, and determining the right time to switch from Bitcoin to Altcoin for maximizing gains during the growth season remains a challenge. Now, I'd like to share a method that I have been using and find quite effective, hoping to share it and receive feedback from you all: - First, I establish from the outset that BTC is solely for holding, not for selling. When BTC surpasses its peak and an Altcoin wave is on the horizon, all you need to do is put your BTC into cross margin and borrow USDT (not exceeding 50% of your capital) to invest in Altcoins.
- For instance, if you currently have $26,000, you could invest in 1 BTC and hold it from now on. Hold it until BTC surpasses its previous peak of $69,000, which would mean your asset is now worth $69,000. At this point, place the value of 1 BTC into Cross Margin and borrow $30,000 to invest in Altcoins. Borrow only $30,000 or even less, not more. This way, you can continue holding onto that 1 BTC as it climbs to $100,000 or $150,000, while also having $30,000 to invest in Altcoins. With the $30,000 borrowed, smart investment in Altcoins can potentially turn your initial asset into $300,000. You could sell the original 1 BTC that you held onto for $100,000 or $150,000. The combined profit from BTC and Altcoins could amount to around $400,000 - $450,000. After repaying the $30,000 borrowed from the exchange, you'd be left with $370,000 - $420,000.
In summary: Starting with an initial investment of $26,000, you could potentially make $370,000 - $420,000. In previous cycles, I often found myself struggling to find the answer to the question of "when to sell BTC and switch to Altcoins." BTC is meant to be held, not sold, and even more importantly, never sold for Altcoins. Simply hold onto BTC and when there's an Altcoin wave, use your BTC as collateral to borrow funds for Altcoin investments (ensuring borrowing remains under 30% of your capital). Now, with the increasing choices offered by the DeFi market compared to past cycles, this method proves quite effective for the strategy of using BTC as collateral to borrow USD for Altcoin investments. Investing in BTC now ahead of the bull run is really a good initiative, also don’t fail to understand that there are some Altcoins that follows BTC trend. For example altcoins which are for exchanges just like BGB, BNB and the likes will give you a good amount of profit doing the bull market.
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Never have all your eggs in one basket. So with this reference, I can say you should prefer to keep your money invested in some solid projects including Bitcoin. Ethereum is a safe choice. You need to your own research for this. Just do not invest for 10x or stuff, invest in the technology or the target of the project. See how you can use the coin, and what the devs are working on. Just do not invest in any random project which promises and does nothing.
This is the same reason why I actually chose to split my investment. I have some in BTC while I also have another one in BGB. I’m sure the two are going to yield better, base on their performance I believe I have nothing to bother about.
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Looks like this a personal preference type of question, doesn't really feel like it should be something that some other person could tell you, I agree with that. I mean I personally will do like %50+ bitcoin, I know that much, I will have some other coins too, but bitcoin is a must for me, in fact if I turn to %100 bitcoin right now, I would not really feel bad about it neither (maybe I will) and I think that is the most epic approach to crypto and the bull run. HOwever, that is totally me, I do not think that I would tell anyone what to do, I would just let those people end up making their decision, and I would not tell you to go get bitcoin or altcoin neither, that just doesn't make sense.
It doesn't make sense for anyone to tell someone which altcoin they should buy. Everyone should make their own choice on this matter. There are many people who do what others say and lose money. There are people on X who have thousands of followers and are deceiving people for publicity. People need to research and be informed, otherwise they are investing in other people's ideas and end up feeling sad. It is very easy to find a lot of the information you are looking for on the internet. Before trusting anyone regarding investment, a person needs to work to become informed himself. I tell the person who wants to invest that I trust Bitcoin in my investment and that it does not cause any losses in the long run, but I generally avoid saying anything about any altcoin. I leave all the decision to him. When it comes to investment I believe everyone have a responsibility of doing their personal research before buying any coin. It’s important you check the coin’s previous history and trend to determine what to do and also check the utility of such token in order to be sure you’re in a safe place.
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Blitzboy
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November 19, 2023, 03:07:18 PM |
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-snip- Risking is part of crypto journey as from day 1 we already have that situation and we already accept that , yes I am also in diversification but adjusting or borrowing to buy altcoin will never be in my option , instead I will continue my holding .
Diversification can be applied with a note that the selection of altcoins and main coins must be appropriate, must be top altcoins, and have good development. Don't just diversify based on rumors and other people's advice without doing your own research. But when someone suggests holding ETH it becomes the best altcoin choice. and Diverisifkasi adjusts to the capital you have, but if you take out a loan for altcoin investment, it will be more risky, because crypto is very volatile while the loan will continue to run along with the interest charged.The cryptocurrency market is very risky so the idea of borrowing money to invest is not a wise idea even if we invest in bitcoin, not altcoins. But it depends on each person, I think if you have a stable source of income and can still afford to repay those loans even if the investment fails, then borrowing money can be considered, but this really should not be recommended. As for investing in bitcoin or altcoin, I think it depends on each person's taste. If someone likes safety then they should obviously choose bitcoin but if someone is willing to take risks in search of high returns then they can think of altcoins. The most important thing is that anyone who wants to invest should do their own research before investing instead of asking others for their opinions. Investing based on other people's advice will make us lose money even if it is bitcoin because we will never be able to hold bitcoin for long if we know nothing about it. I don't want to give advice on whether to invest in bitcoin or altcoins, I just want to advise anyone thinking about investing in cryptocurrency to do their research first. Taking out a loan to invest in crypto? You are correct; that is putting things in danger. Even if you have a steady income, the chance is still very high. Being on a catwalk without a net is like that. You might get to the other side, but what if you make one mistake? You go down. And picking between Bitcoin and altcoins is like picking between a rough sea and a storm—each is dangerous in its own way. Bitcoin is like a rough sea: you can kind of predict it, but its still rough. Other coins? They are the storm. High risk, high return possible. Heres the thing, though: conducting research is not only wise, but essential. You're going to sea without it. Taking other people's advice? Thats giving the wheel to someone else. The more you know, the stronger you are, especially in the crypto sea. Do your study first before you jump in
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November 19, 2023, 03:21:49 PM |
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From my personal experience I think that. 60% to 70% of your investment should be in bitcoin. And my comment about Altcoins is the remaining 30% to 40% The whole half from rest 30% to 40% you can invest in Ethereum and the rest you can invest in others good altcoins for a short period of time.
Example: 100% of 70% Bitcoin 15% Ethereum The remaining 15% are others more altcoins according to your analysis.
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November 19, 2023, 04:10:27 PM |
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The easy way was just to invest in Both altcoins and Bitcoin, It wouldn't really be wrong to put your investment only in Bitcoin since it's always recommended to not put all your eggs in one basket. I mean for sure there are some that are going to prefer only investing in Bitcoin but it is still not a bad idea to invest in altcoins for sure.
Invest a huge percentage on Bitcoin for sure and then invest in altcoins as well with only a lower percentage, it is still a very risky investment but certainly worth the risk since you could easily earn 10x- 100x in these altcoins easily depending on your investment, it is high risk and high reward investment considering it was for sure going to be worth it, probably just dont put it on leverage investment, there is a high chance that all altcoins might skyrocket most of the time in the past Bullrun, as long as you are willing to hold it might worth it in the long run. Just dont invest on very risky altcoins that doesnt have any use like shitcoins, probably just stick on the top 30 altcoins is going to be a high chance of profit.
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November 19, 2023, 06:06:47 PM |
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When it comes to investment I believe everyone have a responsibility of doing their personal research before buying any coin. It’s important you check the coin’s previous history and trend to determine what to do and also check the utility of such token in order to be sure you’re in a safe place.
Sometimes history don't repeat itself because previously people got benefit from dogecoin when it pumped but now the price is still lower and there is no information then when will it come higher again. Bitcoin always proves to be beneficial coins as compared to altcoins so without investigation one can believe that bitcoin will make their wishes true but if we leave bitcoin and put our trust on altcoins then it is possible that we will face huge losses in future. From utility of a token one can decide about the importance of coins also check the market cap so you will easily find about good altcoins. In Altcoins if someone buy now ethereum then positive effects of halving can also be a reason for boosting value of ethereum and other important alt coins.
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November 20, 2023, 04:05:24 AM |
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-snip- Risking is part of crypto journey as from day 1 we already have that situation and we already accept that , yes I am also in diversification but adjusting or borrowing to buy altcoin will never be in my option , instead I will continue my holding .
Diversification can be applied with a note that the selection of altcoins and main coins must be appropriate, must be top altcoins, and have good development. Don't just diversify based on rumors and other people's advice without doing your own research. But when someone suggests holding ETH it becomes the best altcoin choice. and Diverisifkasi adjusts to the capital you have, but if you take out a loan for altcoin investment, it will be more risky, because crypto is very volatile while the loan will continue to run along with the interest charged.The cryptocurrency market is very risky so the idea of borrowing money to invest is not a wise idea even if we invest in bitcoin, not altcoins. But it depends on each person, I think if you have a stable source of income and can still afford to repay those loans even if the investment fails, then borrowing money can be considered, but this really should not be recommended. As for investing in bitcoin or altcoin, I think it depends on each person's taste. If someone likes safety then they should obviously choose bitcoin but if someone is willing to take risks in search of high returns then they can think of altcoins. The most important thing is that anyone who wants to invest should do their own research before investing instead of asking others for their opinions. Investing based on other people's advice will make us lose money even if it is bitcoin because we will never be able to hold bitcoin for long if we know nothing about it. I don't want to give advice on whether to invest in bitcoin or altcoins, I just want to advise anyone thinking about investing in cryptocurrency to do their research first. Taking out a loan to invest in crypto? You are correct; that is putting things in danger. Even if you have a steady income, the chance is still very high. Being on a catwalk without a net is like that. You might get to the other side, but what if you make one mistake? You go down. If you have a stable income, I think you can consider borrowing capital to invest but it must be within your financial capacity. Sometimes we need to take risks to succeed, we need to step out of our comfort zone if we want to achieve things we have never had before. Every success requires trade-offs and we need to accept that. If you are always afraid and do not dare to face challenges, then do not expect to succeed.
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